February 14, 2021
"The blowback against the seven Republican senators who supported former President Donald J. Trump’s conviction in his impeachment trial has begun."
"In Louisiana, the state Republican Party’s executive committee voted unanimously on Saturday to censure Senator Bill Cassidy, who was just re-elected in November and was among those who voted to find Mr. Trump guilty. The state’s Republican attorney general, Jeff Landry, said Mr. Cassidy had 'fallen into the trap laid by Democrats to have Republicans attack Republicans.'
Two of the Republicans who voted for conviction, Senators Richard M. Burr of North Carolina and Patrick J. Toomey of Pennsylvania, are not seeking re-election next year.... Of the seven Republicans who voted to convict Mr. Trump, only one of them, Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, will be on the ballot in 2022. But she is a uniquely formidable candidate in her state, having once won re-election as a write-in candidate after losing a primary."
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 334 of 334tim in vermont said...
"Democrats were forced to do what? You're saying they were called onto the floor of the Senate and retracted statements and documents? “
There won’t be one to CNN, MSNBC, The Washington Post or the New York Times, that’s for sure. The news networks re-doctored the Republican’s uncut version of the videos before airing them.
Not to mention that they doctored the “Calvary” tweet to give some nobody a blue check to make it look like she was something other than an internet rando. Yes, they altered evidence, still seven Republicans voted guilty.
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Do you have a link to support the claim that Democrats were forced to retracted statements and documents on the floor of the U.S. Senate? I was just mocked for not knowing this had happened. Yet for some reason, no one seems capable of providing any evidence to confirm that this happened at all.
AI: "CNN and other media outlets made no such retraction. They did confirm that it appears he did not die of blunt force trauma, as was initially reported."
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Sicknick returned to his office where he appeared fine to others. Completed his shift and returned home. Sometime overnight he was transported to the hospital where the cause of death is being withheld....because it doesnt support the literal lying lefty narrative.
And we only learned that after weeks of Trump and his supporters being accused of actual murder, including by AI/Freder, a literal lefty liar.
Covid may have gotten the dems back in office, but it also emptied the already pretty empty and indebted piggy bank. They can pay back their constituencies with the $1.9 trillion as usual, but that kind of spending is always a temporary bandage. I don't hear any talk of proceeding with nationalized health care or, aside from Romney (!), a guaranteed income. Yes, they can score a one-off by forgiving student debt, but $10,000 won't cut it (AOC is right).
The socialists got in office two generations too late to enact their Scandinavian wet dream.
Drago said...
AI: "CNN and other media outlets made no such retraction. They did confirm that it appears he did not die of blunt force trauma, as was initially reported."
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Sicknick returned to his office where he appeared fine to others. Completed his shift and returned home. Sometime overnight he was transported to the hospital where the cause of death is being withheld....because it doesnt support the literal lying lefty narrative.
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I had read that he collapsed in his office, rather than returning home.
AI: "I had read that he collapsed in his office, rather than returning home."
Wink wink
I'll bet you did....LOL
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/11/us/politics/capitol-riot-police-officer-injuries.html
The Capitol assault resulted in one of the worst days of injuries for law enforcement in the United States since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. At least 138 officers — 73 from the Capitol Police and 65 from the Metropolitan Police Department in Washington — were injured, the departments have said. They ranged from bruises and lacerations to more serious damage such as concussions, rib fractures, burns and even a mild heart attack.
Here is Politifact explaining how the video doesn’t violate House rules.
"A deceptively edited video is one that purports to depict an event in its entirety, but the video has in fact been edited to remove or add content that significantly alters the video's meaning," he said. "For example, editing a speech saying ‘Let's peacefully take the Capitol,’ to say ‘Let's take the Capitol,’ by cutting or splicing a portion of the video."
One could argue that the edited impeachment video is incomplete, Farid said, but the exclusion of some parts of Trump’s speech does not make the video deceptive.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/feb/11/blog-posting/no-house-democrats-impeachment-video-did-not-viola/
LOL. This is Kafkaesque distortions of reality that the press is using to try to cover for the Democrats/
Drago said...
AI: "I had read that he collapsed in his office, rather than returning home."
Wink wink
I'll bet you did....LOL
2/14/21, 3:00 PM
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Yes, and it takes two seconds of Googling to confirm that this has been widely reported.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/brian-sicknick-police-capitol-dies.html
“He returned to his division office and collapsed,” the Capitol Police said in the statement. “He was taken to a local hospital, where he succumbed to his injuries.”
Yeoman's work, Arturo.
Mukowski won in 2010 because the Republican nominee did a crap job explaining WHY she should be dumped (his ads were about her whining, rather than her failures as a Senator).
I expect Palin won't make that mistake in 2022
The media lie for The Party(D)
It's disgusting and dangerous.
What Lawrence’s tweet stated was: “We are bringing the Calvary,” a reference not to an armed militia, but to a representation of the crucifixion of Jesus, a symbol of peace and love in the Christian faith.
Lawrence has since called Swalwell’s presentation “false misleading evidence,” writing that he “changed both the appearance and meaning of one [of her] Tweets during testimony on Wednesday.”
Furthermore, Schoen offered evidence suggesting that someone on the impeachment team altered screenshots of Lawrence’s tweets to place a verified blue check mark next to her name, when in fact, she does not possess one.
https://newsla.localad.com/2021/02/12/trumps-attorney-calls-out-swalwells-usage-of-cavalry-not-calvary-says-he-altered-evidence/
So Demcorats offered two pieces of evidence that were deceptively altered.
Politifact kindly points out that the rule against introducing deceptively edited evidence is not yet in force, so Democrats violated no rule. That’s hardly the point, what it is that Democrats will tolerate when it comes to manipulating evidence.
House Rules do not extend to the Senate chamber, which is governed by Senate rules, Wolfensberger said. In the case of the Senate impeachment trial, that would include the Senate impeachment rule and the special impeachment procedures adopted Feb. 9 by the Senate and enforced by its presiding officer.. - Politifact
These guys are your heroes maybe, but to any fair minded person, meaning not Politifact, they are lying assholes.
removing whole words and context is utterly despicable.
Is there any legal outlet for Trump on this?
AI/Freder Soviet democraticals are going to keep running with the Reichstag-ification efforts and 1 clear tell is to try and work in references to the 9-11 attacks because that is the key and critical element our Soviet democraticals believe is necessary to push thru all their Enabling Act rules to permanently outlaw political opposition with the key first step using anti-terrorist laws to disarm all Trump voters.
They arent even hiding it any longer. Such is their confidence their cheat by mail scheme is unassailable and all organs of government have been successfully purged.
On that point they are clearly correct.
tim in vermont said...
Here is Politifact explaining how the video doesn’t violate House rules.
"A deceptively edited video is one that purports to depict an event in its entirety, but the video has in fact been edited to remove or add content that significantly alters the video's meaning," he said. "For example, editing a speech saying ‘Let's peacefully take the Capitol,’ to say ‘Let's take the Capitol,’ by cutting or splicing a portion of the video."
One could argue that the edited impeachment video is incomplete, Farid said, but the exclusion of some parts of Trump’s speech does not make the video deceptive.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/feb/11/blog-posting/no-house-democrats-impeachment-video-did-not-viola/
LOL. This is Kafkaesque distortions of reality that the press is using to try to cover for the Democrats/
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Thank you for providing the link, which clearly shows that in no way were Democrats forced to go to the Senate floor to retract any statements or documents. The entire foundation of that claim rests on a retired GOP lawmaker (Chaffetz) inaccurately stating that they violated a House rule with their video. They did not. The rule isn't even in effect yet.
If the case was so air tight, why the need to alter evidence, leave out key words from Trump’s statement?
I guess it’s the same reason that the FBI submitted falsified evidence to the FISA court to justify spying on Trump.
Readering said...
Yeoman's work, Arturo
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Just trying to help some of these folks make a brush with reality :). They really need it.
Yes, this is the defense that managed to sway a couple more GOP Senators to vote to convict. CONGRATS Trump defense team!
tim in vermont said...
What Lawrence’s tweet stated was: “We are bringing the Calvary,” a reference not to an armed militia, but to a representation of the crucifixion of Jesus, a symbol of peace and love in the Christian faith.
Lawrence has since called Swalwell’s presentation “false misleading evidence,” writing that he “changed both the appearance and meaning of one [of her] Tweets during testimony on Wednesday.”
Furthermore, Schoen offered evidence suggesting that someone on the impeachment team altered screenshots of Lawrence’s tweets to place a verified blue check mark next to her name, when in fact, she does not possess one.
https://newsla.localad.com/2021/02/12/trumps-attorney-calls-out-swalwells-usage-of-cavalry-not-calvary-says-he-altered-evidence/
So Demcorats offered two pieces of evidence that were deceptively altered.
Politifact kindly points out that the rule against introducing deceptively edited evidence is not yet in force, so Democrats violated no rule. That’s hardly the point, what it is that Democrats will tolerate when it comes to manipulating evidence.
House Rules do not extend to the Senate chamber, which is governed by Senate rules, Wolfensberger said. In the case of the Senate impeachment trial, that would include the Senate impeachment rule and the special impeachment procedures adopted Feb. 9 by the Senate and enforced by its presiding officer.. - Politifact
These guys are your heroes maybe, but to any fair minded person, meaning not Politifact, they are lying assholes.
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I'm still waiting for the link which confirms that Democrats were forced to go to the Senate floor and retract statements and documents. I was assured this definitely was a real thing that happened and totally not a fantastical delusion, so I'm sure you can produce that link quite easily.
"They did not. The rule isn't even in effect yet.”
But they did manipulate the video, which doesn’t bother you in the least. So there is no point arguing with a somebody as fundamentally dishonest as yourself, but thank you for admitting that it doesn’t bother you that the Democrats manipulated some evidence dishonestly and outright doctored other evidence.
I am going call that as close to an admission that the impeachment managers were dishonest as I am ever gonna get from you guys and head to the beach for a walk.
@Readering: Would you consider (or have considered) adding a blue check mark to an exhibit you were submitting to a court as evidence?
"so I'm sure you can produce that link quite easily.”
I never said that, I only said that the Democrats dishonestly manipulated evidence, which I have shown. Maybe they should have been forced to retract it, and would have were this not a kangaroo court, but altered evidence they did submit.
tim in vermont said...
"They did not. The rule isn't even in effect yet.”
But they did manipulate the video, which doesn’t bother you in the least. So there is no point arguing with a somebody as fundamentally dishonest as yourself, but thank you for admitting that it doesn’t bother you that the Democrats manipulated some evidence dishonestly and outright doctored other evidence.
I am going call that as close to an admission that the impeachment managers were dishonest as I am ever gonna get from you guys and head to the beach for a walk.
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Next time, maybe google to confirm your wild made-up claims before posting them, it will be less embarrassing for you. Enjoy the beach.
The Trump team that performed for four years under the pseudonym of Q has won the hearts and minds contest for the middle class all over the world that has an internet access. Marxist Propagandists have utterly failed in that area where the vote counting is not not under their control.
Watching the current mob mentality of the Media that is now screaming slogans to criminalize Trump and his Populist base is actually funny. That crap even with the latest Pandemic release is not gonna change that sea change in Politics. DJT has the same love from Americans that FDR had in 1945.
Remove the word "Peacefully" - because it doesn't fit the corrupt lying leftwing C-sucking narrative.
Readering: "Yes, this is the defense that managed to sway a couple more GOP Senators to vote to convict. CONGRATS Trump defense team!"
LOL
Going from 17 to 10 represents an increase in readering Alternative Math World.
An affliction suffered by many democratical Soviets with Biden's Earpiece claiming $1,400 stimulus checks satisfy Biden's Earpiece campign promise of $2,000 checks.
If the democratical Soviets "increase" stimulus check amounts any more no one will get anything!
Today's democratical Soviet chocolate ration has been increased from 10 grams to 5 grams!
Not to worry though. There's plenty of chocolate in Beijing and Tehran.
traditionalguy said...
The Trump team that performed for four years under the pseudonym of Q has won the hearts and minds contest for the middle class all over the world that has an internet access. Marxist Propagandists have utterly failed in that area where the vote counting is not not under their control.
Watching the current mob mentality of the Media that is now screaming slogans to criminalize Trump and his Populist base is actually funny. That crap even with the latest Pandemic release is not gonna change that sea change in Politics. DJT has the same love from Americans that FDR had in 1945.
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When the acid has really kicked in.
Starting to think Drago comments make multiple trips through Google translate on their way to this page.
But it could be acid.
Somebody help Arturo with his strawman army.
Clark: "@Readering: Would you consider (or have considered) adding a blue check mark to an exhibit you were submitting to a court as evidence?"
Your question is incomplete as offered for "readering" purposes.
Let me help.
"@Readering: Would you consider (or have considered) adding a blue check mark to an exhibit you were submitting to a court as evidence..if the accused was a republican being framed by a corrupt prosecutor whom you were assisting?
If that were the question then I can assure you readering would move at breakneck speed to go Full Kevin Clinesmith.
I concede to Arturo that this was a kangaroo court with no honest standards of evidence, if it makes him happy.
Readering: "Starting to think Drago comments make multiple trips through Google translate on their way to this page."
readering responds very poorly to those who refuse to reset history every 15 minutes.
Understandable.
Somebody help Arturo with his strawman army.
Or people could simply ignore the lying sack of shit.
Let's get to 400 guys.
tim in vermont: "I concede to Arturo that this was a kangaroo court with no honest standards of evidence, if it makes him happy."
Mike Lee forced them to withdraw their lies regarding his comments.
And I thought Leahy was going to keel over on the spot which would have led to accusations that Trump supporters had stormed the chamber and bludgeoned him to death with canned salmon!
Wee Arturo said:
Calling Brad Raffensberger and demanding that he find 11,780 votes for Trump is not a legal challenge. It's an illegal challenge. And Trump is about to be criminally prosecuted for it, as he should be.
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A call Trump recorded as he spoke, with his attorneys on the line. Yeah, that's the mark of a cunning criminal and a dictator
A "demand" that was stated as a request based on numerous and enumerated examples of voter fraud or vote mismanagement.
A request that repeatedly stresses that the irregularities affected MORE than amounted to the 11,800 votes Trup thought the state would find--if they went back and looked.
A "request" that was ignored.
An ignored request that had no consequences.
Yeah, those are all hallmarks of an authoritarian.
SNORT
You should work on your civility.
I'm buying ammo. I'm told that helps keep people.....civil.
"No, because Trump often communicates this way within his many criminal conspiracies"
Oh, is this similar to BBC London in 1942 talking to freedom fighters in occupied Europe?
alfromchgo asking from deep inside enemy lines..
Arturo Ui said...
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/11/us/politics/capitol-riot-police-officer-injuries.html
The Capitol assault resulted in one of the worst days of injuries for law enforcement in the United States since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. At least 138 officers — 73 from the Capitol Police and 65 from the Metropolitan Police Department in Washington — were injured, the departments have said. They ranged from bruises and lacerations to more serious damage such as concussions, rib fractures, burns and even a mild heart attack.
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Freder/Arturo, you were utterly silent about the numerous attacks against police and citizens during the many antiFa/BLM riots, inclduing the ones in DC. WhyIZZAT?
A start...
wholelottasplainin' said...
Wee Arturo said:
Calling Brad Raffensberger and demanding that he find 11,780 votes for Trump is not a legal challenge. It's an illegal challenge. And Trump is about to be criminally prosecuted for it, as he should be.
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A call Trump recorded as he spoke, with his attorneys on the line. Yeah, that's the mark of a cunning criminal and a dictator
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It was Raffensberger who recorded the call, not Trump.
Do you have a link to support the claim that Democrats were forced to retracted statements and documents on the floor of the U.S. Senate? I was just mocked for not knowing this had happened. Yet for some reason, no one seems capable of providing any evidence to confirm that this happened at all.
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Give this a full listen.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/mike-lee-raises-objection-to-impeachment-evidence-citing-him/2021/02/10/2ce680a6-dd2f-4151-91c7-5d6b5c790816_video.html
"The New York Times Retracts the Sicknick Story"
Susan Collins will not run for re-election. She's old. She has very much Old Lady Voice too.
wholelottasplainin' said...
Freder/Arturo, you were utterly silent about the numerous attacks against police and citizens during the many antiFa/BLM riots, inclduing the ones in DC. WhyIZZAT?
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I wasn't posting here during the BLM protests over the summer. But of course, I condemn any violence unlawfully meted out against anyone, especially when it hides behind what should be a peaceful protest.
Probably correct MadisonMan. She'll be replaced by a Democrat.
Until a short time ago I figured that Pelosi and Schumer knew that Trump would be acquitted in the Senate. I thought their goal with the impeachment nonsense was to poison the political well for Trump should he decide to run for office in the future. I still think that but it now appears Pelosi, at least, really believed conviction was possible and even likely. This story makes all that clear.
Pelosi Crashes House Impeachment Managers Presser
AI: "I wasn't posting here during the BLM protests over the summer. But of course, I condemn any violence unlawfully meted out against anyone, especially when it hides behind what should be a peaceful protest."
LOL
Specifically refuses to condemn antifa/BLM riots which left 60 dead (with one ex-police captain gunned down in cold blood), hundreds of injuries, hundreds of businesses permanently shuttered and over $2 Billion in property damage including attacking federal buildings and attacking federal officers.
And notice AI/Freder's slight of hand whereby he avoids explicit criticism of those antufa/BLM riots across the nation and indeed, fails to even acknowledge those riots even occurred.
Very Freder-like.
This is what is termed "clever" in Team Soviet.
MadisonMan, Susan Collins may seem old, but she is in the middle third of Senators by age. Feinstein and Grassley are old enough to be her parents.
She has very much Old Lady Voice too
She sounds for all the works like a stroke victim.
“This is what is termed "clever" in Team Soviet.”
That’s not good. Cuase that’s from the olden days before Russia was helpful re dumping HRC emails exactly when the Access Hollywood tape came out. I.e., back before DJT defended Putin in Helsinki, and such. Now, if Team Russia said that same thing was “clever,” all would be aok.
rturo Ui said...
wholelottasplainin' said...
Wee Arturo said:
Calling Brad Raffensberger and demanding that he find 11,780 votes for Trump is not a legal challenge. It's an illegal challenge. And Trump is about to be criminally prosecuted for it, as he should be.
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A call Trump recorded as he spoke, with his attorneys on the line. Yeah, that's the mark of a cunning criminal and a dictator
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It was Raffensberger who recorded the call, not Trump.
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That call was very likely recorded by BOTH parties, as it would be standard WH practice.
Raffensberger probably leaked it.
And...you slide past everything else I wrote to shoot down your "authoritarian" nonsense.
I can't believe McConnell got so stupid so suddenly, he's destroyed his reputation. He's an old 78 and apparently that old brain has gone down.
Blogger madAsHell said...
You should work on your civility.
I'm buying ammo. I'm told that helps keep people.....civil.
Ammo is the deplorables surrogate binkie.
wholelottasplainin' said...
And...you slide past everything else I wrote to shoot down your "authoritarian" nonsense.
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The rest of your comment amounted to the absurd position that since the illegal coercion attempt failed, that magically makes it actually legal.
Don't fret, dreams. Lindsey Graham is still sucking up to Donald.
Very succinct and entertaining comments, Drago. I can almost hear the wind whistling through the useless idiots’ cranial canyons.
Drago, the perennial backseat driver, is firmly focused on the rear-view mirror. Just don't pull the eject handle too soon, Goose.
No, I think this shows how the uniparty / establishment still does not get Trump, and/or his supporters.
I’m astonished at the level of hatred of Trump, and his supporters by the establishment. TDS describes it.
They are so desperate to destroy and discredit Trump, and destroy the idea of Trumpism. It’s a culture war.
>Blogger dreams said...
>I can't believe McConnell got so stupid so suddenly, he's destroyed his reputation. He's an old 78 and apparently that old brain has gone
>down.
"Ammo is the deplorables surrogate binkie."
No, guns and ammo are only tools of smart people who don't wish to be victims, and who don't look to government as their protector or daddy.
Fixed it.
Oh, and constitutional right.
Do us all a favor, post a big sign on your lawn stating 'There are no weapons in this house.'
Calling Brad Raffensberger and demanding that he find 11,780 votes for Trump is not a legal challenge. It's an illegal challenge. And Trump is about to be criminally prosecuted for it, as he should be.
Got to love the lying about publicly known facts
Trump didn't ask Raffensberger find 11,780 votes for Trump. He asked that he find 11,780 of the tens of thousands of illegal votes cast for Biden.
Since it only takes 11,780 to flip the election.
As it is the JOB of the SoS to look out for and bring to prosecution illegal votes, what Trump was asking for was legally, ethically, and morally correct.
"And Trump is about to be criminally prosecuted for it"?
Do tell! Links?
Joe Smith posts a big Napoleon Complex sign on his sloping forehead.
via Wiki"Napoleon Complex" is a theorized inferiority complex normally attributed to people of short stature. It is characterized by overly-aggressive or domineering social behavior, such as lying about earnings, and carries the implication that such behavior is compensatory for the subject's physical or social shortcomings.
Arturo Ui said...
Thank you for providing the link, which clearly shows that in no way were Democrats forced to go to the Senate floor to retract any statements or documents. The entire foundation of that claim rests on a retired GOP lawmaker (Chaffetz) inaccurately stating that they violated a House rule with their video. They did not. The rule isn't even in effect yet.
That's nice
Now, let's cut to the core to the matter:
1: Do you claim that their video was not deceptively edited?
2: Do you claim that is wasn't wrong for them to do the editing they did?
3: Do you claim that doing the editing they did, did not make their whole case less valid?
No hiding behind Politico, or what rules were or were not in place. What do YOU say, given the evidence shown?
"Joe Smith posts a big Napoleon Complex sign on his sloping forehead."
Actually, a bit above average height and comfortably on the far right side of the bell curve in intelligence, thanks very much.
And yes, I probably paid more in taxes last year than you earned...smart people who work in tech do tend to make good money : )
What do liberals have against citizens exercising their constitutional rights?
But keep commenting on things of which you know nothing...quite amusing.
Blogger Arturo Ui said...
I wasn't posting here during the BLM protests over the summer. But of course, I condemn any violence unlawfully meted out against anyone, especially when it hides behind what should be a peaceful protest.
So, you condemn BLM, condemn Antifa.
You condemn Biden for refusing to explicitly call out Antifa and BLM for their violence.
You condemn Harris for donating money to, and fundraising for, a fund that was set up to bail out violent rioting thugs.
You condemn, attack, and vote against all Democrat prosecutors who have refused to prosecute left wing rioters
You condemn, attack, and vote against all Democrat Mayors who kept police from stopping rioters
You condemn, attack, and vote against all Democrat Governors who didn't call out the National Guard to stop rioters
Yes?
Or are you just a lying sack of shit who doesn't actually "condemn any violence unlawfully meted out against anyone"?
Fun fact; the 43 craven Republican cowards, who refused to hold Trump accountable for inciting and supporting the coup attempt, represent around 1/3 of the US population.
Kevin said...
I'm so old I remember when the Democrats couldn't muster a single vote to impeach Clinton, even though everyone agreed he had perjured himself.
Here we get 7 Senators to vote against Trump for a set of charges that couldn't stand up in an actual court of law.
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Impeachment isn't a legal proceeding, so that's not the test.
I reject the premise that if you can commit a felony and be punished by the legal system but not removed from office, that you can also not commit a felony punishable by the legal system but still be removed from office.
If we wanted a Parliamentary system of government, we'd have created a Parliamentary system of government.
Fun fact; the 43 craven Republican cowards, who refused to hold Trump accountable for inciting and supporting the coup attempt, represent around 1/3 of the US population.
Fun fact: there is no acceptance of the people's will when Progressives are in the minority.
"Yes you know like the Sarah Palin that was elected governor of Alaska."
is that the same Sarah Palin who quit in the middle of her job as governor of Alaska?
Greg The Class Traitor said...
"And Trump is about to be criminally prosecuted for it"?
Do tell! Links?
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Sure
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/10/us/politics/trump-georgia-investigation.html
Arturo Ui said...
wholelottasplainin' said...
And...you slide past everything else I wrote to shoot down your "authoritarian" nonsense.
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The rest of your comment amounted to the absurd position that since the illegal coercion attempt failed, that magically makes it actually legal.
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Wanna 'splain the "coercion" to us? Find the part where Trump says, "Unless you do what I say.."
Is it anything like Biden threatening to withhold that billion from the Ukrainians?
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/13/us/politics/trump-impeachment-acquittal.html
“There’s no question, none, that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day,” Mr. McConnell said. “No question about it. The people who stormed this building believed they were acting on the wishes and instructions of their president. And having that belief was a foreseeable consequence of the growing crescendo of false statements, conspiracy theories and reckless hyperbole which the defeated president kept shouting into the largest megaphone on planet Earth.”
Arturo Ui said...
Greg The Class Traitor said...
"And Trump is about to be criminally prosecuted for it"?
Do tell! Links?
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Sure
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/10/us/politics/trump-georgia-investigation.html
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Is this investigation anything like Mueller's that found and charged Trump with Russian collusion? Oh wait....
wholelottasplainin' said...
Wanna 'splain the "coercion" to us? Find the part where Trump says, "Unless you do what I say.."
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He told Raffensberger on the same call that Raffensberger could face federal prosecution if he didn't comply.
Arturo Ui said...
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/13/us/politics/trump-impeachment-acquittal.html
“There’s no question, none, that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day,” Mr. McConnell said. “No question about it. The people who stormed this building believed they were acting on the wishes and instructions of their president. And having that belief was a foreseeable consequence of the growing crescendo of false statements, conspiracy theories and reckless hyperbole which the defeated president kept shouting into the largest megaphone on planet Earth.”
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Here's a free translation of McConnell's speech:
"I for one welcome our new Stalinist overlords."
"I for one welcome our new Stalinist overlords."
He welcomes his CCP overlords. Close though.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/13/us/politics/trump-impeachment-acquittal.html
And some of the other Republicans who voted for acquittal on Saturday echoed Mr. McConnell’s reproval. “The actions and reactions of President Trump were disgraceful, and history will judge him harshly,” said Senator Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia. Senator Rob Portman of Ohio added, “President Trump said and did things that were reckless and encouraged the mob.”
Boy, am I glad I quit commenting and only skim once a day or two.
Is anyone left at Daily Kos ?
Arturo Ui said...
wholelottasplainin' said...
Wanna 'splain the "coercion" to us? Find the part where Trump says, "Unless you do what I say.."
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He told Raffensberger on the same call that Raffensberger could face federal prosecution if he didn't comply.
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Here's the complete transcript. Point us to where Trump threatened to prosecute Raffensberger.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-transcript-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/2768e0cc-4ddd-11eb-83e3-322644d82356_story.html
If they believe what they said happened, happened, then they are cowards for not voting to convict. Including Mitch.
stevew said...
If they believe what they said happened, happened, then they are cowards for not voting to convict. Including Mitch.
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I completely agree.
AI sure has a problem in providing direct quotes which prove his point.
Thats because all direct quotes disprove his accusations.
But only every single time.
Literally.
wholelottasplainin' said...
Here's the complete transcript. Point us to where Trump threatened to prosecute Raffensberger.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-transcript-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/2768e0cc-4ddd-11eb-83e3-322644d82356_story.html
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/d45acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html
During their conversation, Trump issued a vague threat to both Raffensperger and Ryan Germany, the secretary of state’s general counsel, suggesting that if they don’t find that thousands of ballots in Fulton County have been illegally destroyed to block investigators — an allegation for which there is no evidence — they would be subject to criminal liability.
“That’s a criminal offense,” he said. “And you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer.”
-- Since Trump effectively controlled the Department of Justice at the time, the threat of prosecution for failure to comply was clear.
Howard: "Drago, the perennial backseat driver, is firmly focused on the rear-view mirror. Just don't pull the eject handle too soon, Goose."
Shorter Howard: its not fair to throw our previous lefty statements at us.
Arturo Ui said...
Achilles said...
Pieces of shit like you are still trying to run around with his bloody shirt though.
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There's no reason to address me or anyone else here that way. You should work on your civility. People would listen to your arguments more.
You literally ran around for weeks saying Trump supporters killed Brian Sicknick.
And it was a lie.
You are a piece of shit for not apologizing for the slander, and for continuing to run with it to this day.
Mutaman said...
"Yes you know like the Sarah Palin that was elected governor of Alaska."
is that the same Sarah Palin who quit in the middle of her job as governor of Alaska?
Advice: When you come in late as I do, perhaps you might read all of the comments first prior to posting -- so you don't appear to be the 101st fly on the pile of dogshit.
THEOLDMAN
Achilles said...
You literally ran around for weeks saying Trump supporters killed Brian Sicknick.
And it was a lie.
You are a piece of shit for not apologizing for the slander, and for continuing to run with it to this day.
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You should tone it down. You're acting like an 8 year-old boy who just learned a new curse word.
I have nothing to apologize for. Media reports at the time reported that Sicknick had his head bashed in with a fire extinguisher. Now we know that is not the case. But we still don't know how he died. We must wait and see.
Apparently they're cool with doctoring evidence ... I'll use that logic to avoid jury duty the next time I'm called.
>>independent said...
As for Trump's lawyer, I agree that it was highly foreseeable there would be some blowback, esp given his tough-guy style. Perhaps he should have thought more about his family when he took the gig. Being a celeb was more important than their welfare I guess.<<
Perfect. Acknowledgement that simply acting as a defense lawyer puts your family in danger from the left. This is common and allowable behavior on the left.
Do the far left liberal commenters ever wonder why there was a five weeklong fake news media narrative that Officer Sitnick was hit with a fire extinguisher?
"Perfect. Acknowledgement that simply acting as a defense lawyer puts your family in danger from the left. This is promoted and encouraged behavior on the left."
FIFY
I'm Full of Soup said...
Do the far left liberal commenters ever wonder why there was a five weeklong fake news media narrative that Officer Sitnick was hit with a fire extinguisher?
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Because there is endless video of MAGA rioters attacking police with fire extinguishers, flag poles, batons, steel barricades, and bear spray, among other weapons. The death of Officer Sicknick during the assault became conflated with the existing plethora of images of cops being beaten. It's an unfortunate but understandable journalistic error.
"Media reports at the time reported that Sicknick had his head bashed in with a fire extinguisher. Now we know that is not the case."
'Not the case'?
You mean, a lie?
Don't you think that vaunted news outlets like the NYT have an obligation to cut through the propaganda and report what really happened.
You know, the truth?
You literally ran around for weeks saying Trump supporters killed Brian Sicknick.
And it was a lie.
You are a piece of shit for not apologizing for the slander, and for continuing to run with it to this day.
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You should tone it down. You're acting like an 8 year-old boy who just learned a new curse word.
I have nothing to apologize for. Media reports at the time reported that Sicknick had his head bashed in with a fire extinguisher. Now we know that is not the case. But we still don't know how he died. We must wait and see.
Any reason at all to imagine powerful democrats and their civilian terrorists cannot threaten and coerce medical examiners to lie about cause of death? Media working 24/7 attempting to gather evidence of previous deaths by bear spray.
AI: "Because there is endless video of MAGA rioters attacking police with fire extinguishers, flag poles, batons, steel barricades, and bear spray, among other weapons."
If I see someone attacking someone its okay to accuse others I never saw with murder.
AI is a perfect candidate to serve on an impeachment committee.
Hus willingness to provide out of context and deceptively edited "evidence" is another solid resume bullet point.
Arturo Ui said...
tim in vermont said...
Here is Politifact explaining how the video doesn’t violate House rules.
"A deceptively edited video is one that purports to depict an event in its entirety, but the video has in fact been edited to remove or add content that significantly alters the video's meaning," he said. "For example, editing a speech saying ‘Let's peacefully take the Capitol,’ to say ‘Let's take the Capitol,’ by cutting or splicing a portion of the video."
One could argue that the edited impeachment video is incomplete, Farid said, but the exclusion of some parts of Trump’s speech does not make the video deceptive.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/feb/11/blog-posting/no-house-democrats-impeachment-video-did-not-viola/
LOL. This is Kafkaesque distortions of reality that the press is using to try to cover for the Democrats/
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Thank you for providing the link, which clearly shows that they violated a House rule with their (edited)video.
2/14/21, 3:09 PM
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You're welcome
Remind me: In impeachment #1, how many House Democrats voted against impeachment? How many Senate Democrats voted against conviction? Same questions for impeachment #2. These were partisan proceedings. Which party do you belong to?
On Wednesday, Fani T. Willis, the recently elected Democratic prosecutor in Fulton County, sent a letter to numerous officials in state government, including Mr. Raffensperger, requesting that they preserve documents related to “an investigation into attempts to influence” the state’s 2020 presidential election.
So, yet another bullshit "investigation" by a Democrat hack, that's going to go nowhere.
Now, let's see all the things that Arturo Ui skipped over
1: Asked if the Democrats hack submitted faked "evidence" in the impeachment. No response. So he agrees it was faked, he just doesn't care
2: Asked if he'd condemned all the Democrats involved in political violence last summer and fall. Said nothing, because he supports those violence inciting, supporting, and carrying out Democrats.
3: Had it pointed out that his characterization of the Trump - Reff talk was false. no response, because he knows he's lying, and just doesn't care.
Thanks for clearing that all up, troll
Joe Smith said...
"Media reports at the time reported that Sicknick had his head bashed in with a fire extinguisher. Now we know that is not the case."
'Not the case'?
You mean, a lie?
Don't you think that vaunted news outlets like the NYT have an obligation to cut through the propaganda and report what really happened.
You know, the truth?
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Yes, of course I agree. But that doesn't mean I expect them to never, ever, ever make a mistake. And if they do make a mistake, I expect them to issue a correction. Which the NYT did.
Actual voters aren't crazy about sending ideological icons to Congress. People online care about those things, but voters want somebody who can get the roads fixed, not somebody caught up in DC's ideological dances. So Alaskans will wish Palin well doing whatever she's doing now and hope she keeps at it, rather than send her to Washington.
Joe Crowley would still be in Congress if AOC had been a public figure when she ran for office instead of a waitress or bartender or restaurant hostess or whatever she was. People who didn't bother to vote would have lined up to vote against her. That's why Ramsey Clark and Bella Abzug never became senators (though she came uncomfortably close).
Drago said...
AI: "Because there is endless video of MAGA rioters attacking police with fire extinguishers, flag poles, batons, steel barricades, and bear spray, among other weapons."
If I see someone attacking someone its okay to accuse others I never saw with murder.
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If you see endless video of cops being brutally assaulted with potentially lethal weapons, and then you hear that a cop died during the same assault, it's reasonable to wonder if it was the assailants who killed the cop. And if your law enforcement sources then tell you yep, that's exactly what happened, then it's reasonable to report that.
"Yes, of course I agree. But that doesn't mean I expect them to never, ever, ever make a mistake. And if they do make a mistake, I expect them to issue a correction. Which the NYT did."
Except the mistakes ALWAYS go in one direction.
Would it be OK for a story to be published for a year, or two years, or four years, that was a proven lie?
And never print a correction, or an on-air apology?
Like the Russian hoax?
Arturo Ui said...
If you see endless video of cops being brutally assaulted with potentially lethal weapons, and then you hear that a cop died during the same assault, it's reasonable to wonder if it was the assailants who killed the cop. And if your law enforcement sources then tell you yep, that's exactly what happened, then it's reasonable to report that.
So they ran with a lie for weeks. They knew how Sicknick died. They talked to the doctors that did the autopsy.
They knew the entire time. Just like the House managers knew they were doctoring evidence.
Then they proceeded to censor Trump on every public forum they could. And they censored as many of his supporters as they could. And they called it an "Insurrection." A "Threat to democracy."
And guess what. It is the Parkland anniversary and Joe Biden is starting to spout off Gun Control garbage.
Who wants to bet that something really awfully involving a gun happens soon to get this new law passed?
You are a bunch of fascists. You are evil. There can be no compromise with people like you.
Rounded corner and on home stretch to 400.
There was no evidence that evidence was destroyed? Mission accomplished, I guess.
But even if the destroyed evidence can't be produced (because it was destroyed), numerical analysis might indicate that something untoward happened to it (if the ballots ever existed to begin with).
"You are a bunch of fascists. You are evil. There can be no compromise with people like you."
Truer words...
Blogger Joe Smith said...
Like the Russian hoax
or the election steal
or Hunter Biden
or Benghazi
or Obama’s tan suit
What did these 7 Republican doofusses think was going to happen? What did Pelosi think was going to happen? What did McConnell think was going to happen when he shot his mouth off. And as for Achilles--wash your mouth out with soap. r
it seems to me that when a normal Americna goes to ?Washington D.C. as a politician he or she gets dumber.
"It was nearly two weeks ago that Jill and I paid our respects to Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick, who laid in honor in the Rotunda after losing his life protecting the Capitol from a riotous, violent mob on January 6, 2021."
Joe Biden Feb. 13, 2021
Anyone that supports Joe Biden or his administration is a fascist and a completely soulless husk.
or the election steal
or Hunter Biden
or Benghazi
or Obama’s tan suit
The election was sketchy as fuck.
Hunter...really? The guy's a crack smoking sex addict with video to prove it.
Benghazi was a gun-running operation gone wrong. Ask the Libyans how it worked out for them.
Tan Suit? Had to look it up. Sounds stupid.
"Lindsey Graham is still sucking up to Donald."
Graham is the fattest weather vane I have ever seen.
If they didn’t expect pushback then they’re dumber then they’re dumber than a box of hammers. Not as stupid as a lefty troll, but still pretty dumb.
Hey Althouse, your comments section is the goose that laid the golden egg. Trolls have arrived to kill that goose. It's gone from a great comments section to unreadable. I really hope you have a plan for when the NYT decides to cancel you.
Re: Arturo Ui:
I have nothing to apologize for. Media reports at the time reported that Sicknick had his head bashed in with a fire extinguisher. Now we know that is not the case.
I on the other hand, do have something to apologise for. I believed, based on news reports, that he was in fact killed by protesters who bashed him with a fire extinguisher, and repeated such here in these comments.
. . .
That was gullible of me.
Arturo Ui said...
wholelottasplainin' said...
And...you slide past everything else I wrote to shoot down your "authoritarian" nonsense.
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The rest of your comment amounted to the absurd position that since the illegal coercion attempt failed, that magically makes it actually legal.
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what a dipshit you are.
"Illegal"? say what?
"Coercion"? Say what?
"Amounted to"? Say what?
Seems like there were an inordinate number Capitol Hill police suicides after the Jan. 6 event.
Discuss
Arturo Ui said...
wholelottasplainin' said...
Here's the complete transcript. Point us to where Trump threatened to prosecute Raffensberger.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-transcript-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/2768e0cc-4ddd-11eb-83e3-322644d82356_story.html
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/d45acb92-4dc4-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html
During their conversation, Trump issued a vague threat to both Raffensperger and Ryan Germany, the secretary of state’s general counsel, suggesting that if they don’t find that thousands of ballots in Fulton County have been illegally destroyed to block investigators — an allegation for which there is no evidence — they would be subject to criminal liability.
“That’s a criminal offense,” he said. “And you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer.”
-- Since Trump effectively controlled the Department of Justice at the time, the threat of prosecution for failure to comply was clear.
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Bullshit. First of all, a purported "vague threat" is not a specific "threat to prosecute".
I'd ask you to pull your head out of your ass, but it's too late for that.
But even the WaPo didn't claim that Trump was threatening Raffensberger himself.
That idiocy comes from YOU, hallucinating in your rat-infested rent-controlled leftist paradise.
I could 'foster" a reason why but...
Arturo Ui said...
I'm Full of Soup said...
Do the far left liberal commenters ever wonder why there was a five weeklong fake news media narrative that Officer Sitnick was hit with a fire extinguisher?
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Because there is endless video of MAGA rioters attacking police with fire extinguishers, flag poles, batons, steel barricades, and bear spray, among other weapons. The death of Officer Sicknick during the assault became conflated with the existing plethora of images of cops being beaten. It's an unfortunate but understandable journalistic error.
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Oh really? Where is ONE video of anyone attacking the police with "A" fire extinguisher, let alone endless videos showing multiple examples of the same, let alone a single one showing Sicknick being hit by one?
Ditto the flag poles, batons, and bear spray?
Produce those videos you sonofabitch!!
Offer evidence to us that the people you claim were Trump supporters were doing those things you claim were shown, in "endless videos."
The vast majority of Republicans, never mind the hardcore Trump supporters posing the most immediate threat to the left's INSANE tyranny, aren't usually gullible enough to buy lies when they're pushed by billionaires and the entire news media.
Why would any random troll doll think they'd have more weight with us than the NYT? Which most nationalists utterly revile as a tool of rootless globalists?
wholelottasplainin' said...
Oh really? Where is ONE video of anyone attacking the police with "A" fire extinguisher, let alone endless videos showing multiple examples of the same, let alone a single one showing Sicknick being hit by one?
Ditto the flag poles, batons, and bear spray?
Produce those videos you sonofabitch!!
Offer evidence to us that the people you claim were Trump supporters were doing those things you claim were shown, in "endless videos."
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This whole video shows many instances of MAGA rioters attacking cops with flagpoles,crutches and other weapons. Around 1:40, you can clearly see a MAGA rioter hurling a fire extinguisher at the head of one of the encircled cops. Have a nice day.
https://youtu.be/L-z8fvX6NAo
"Seems like there were an inordinate number Capitol Hill police suicides after the Jan. 6 event."
Kind of like the cops who killed themselves after viewing the Wiener laptop?
Discuss...
"This whole video shows many instances of MAGA rioters attacking cops with flagpoles, crutches and other weapons.:
Crutches?...
Must be the vicious Hurrycane® gang.
The extra pants on Obama’s tan suit were shorts.
The quaint little alternative newspaper in the Big Apple, The New York Times, wrote:
"Of the seven Republicans who voted to convict Mr. Trump, only one of them, Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, will be on the ballot in 2022. But she is a uniquely formidable candidate in her state, having once won re-election as a write-in candidate after losing a primary."
Murkowski acts as if it's her birthright to have Daddy's seat. No surprise there, since Daddy appointed her to replace himself in the Senate when he became Alaska governor. Kennedyesque. They do have a powerful machine, I guess. But if she were not Frank's daughter, and her name were Grabinovich, no way she wins in 2010 when she ran as a "write-in." Pretty sad when you cling to your Senate seat like that. I would be like to see the catfight that would happen if Palin decides to run against her. Who would Cocaine Mitch support? The trusted, reliable vote in the Senate Palin would be, or Klondike Cassandra, perpetually in a quandary over how. to. vote?
Joe Smith said...
"Yes, of course I agree. But that doesn't mean I expect them to never, ever, ever make a mistake. And if they do make a mistake, I expect them to issue a correction. Which the NYT did."
Except the mistakes ALWAYS go in one direction
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Fox News, NewsMax, and American Thinker all were forced recently to issue embarrassingly lengthy retractions of their entirely invented stories about Dominion and Smartmatic voting systems. Lou Dobbs just lost his job for the same thing. Two of these companies are facing multi-billion dollar libel lawsuits. Sean Hannity had to fully retract his made-up Seth Rich story.
It does not all happen in one direction.
@Dave Begley:
Sasse is finished here in Nebraska. That I can tell you.
I want to believe this. As your Colorado neighbor, I will work to make this happen, Dave Begley! Sign me up.
Murkowski also has to go. Alaskans are too bright to have such a turncoat representing them. Impeachment far from the only time she has sided with Democrats.
Since the prolific troll Arturo Ui keeps on posting, I'll keep on calling it out for its evil positions:
1: Asked if the Democrats hack submitted faked "evidence" in the impeachment. No response. So he agrees it was faked, he just doesn't care
2: Asked if he'd condemned all the Democrats involved in political violence last summer and fall. Said nothing, because he supports those violence inciting, supporting, and carrying out Democrats.
3: Had it pointed out that his characterization of the Trump - Reff talk was false. Doubled down on the dishonesty. Was given the whole transcript of the call, can't quote anything in their to prove his claims. Continues to make the claims, anyway
Thanks for clearing that all up, troll
""The blowback against the seven Republican senators who supported former President Donald J. Trump’s conviction in his impeachment trial has begun.""
Don't shit where you eat.
"And notice AI/Freder's slight of hand whereby he avoids explicit criticism of those antufa/BLM riots across the nation and indeed, fails to even acknowledge those riots even occurred."
They know who their masters are and they don't want their attention focused on themselves. So much fear.
People would listen to your arguments more.
Haha. Civility. Not a one of you ever listens to anyone with a differing view. You are incapable. And I'm all out of bubble gum.
Arturo Ui, you are in the nature of a troll, passive-aggressive, but nevertheless still a troll. Otherwise, you wouldn't be here playing the contrarian.
Why do I skip over the trolls, and their responses?
Where's the kid's table?
When Maga people voted, they clenched their teeth and voted for their low-life scumbag Republican Senators, to make sure Donald J had an amenable Senate. Trump won in a landside, but we got a Democrat retard occupant in the WhiteHouse instead. And...lowlife Republican scumbags in the Senate for 6 more years.
One has to laugh at the game that God tries to show us.
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