Meanwhile: "Vice President Pence... welcomes the efforts of members of the House and Senate to use the authority they have under the law to raise objections and bring forward evidence before the Congress and the American people on January 6th."
And, from Ted Cruz: "I think everyone needs to calm down.... I think we need to tone down the rhetoric. This is already a volatile situation. It's like a tinderbox and throwing lit matches into it... That’s not helpful ... at a time when we’re pitted against each other. Just relax, and let’s do our jobs... We have a responsibility to follow the law."
AND: Chuck Todd to Ron Johnson: "Stop! You don't get to make allegations that haven't been proven true."
WATCH: @chucktodd to @senronjohnson: "You made an allegation that there was widespread fraud, you failed to offer specific evidence of that widespread fraud, but you're demanding an investigation on ... allegations of widespread fraud."
— Meet the Press (@MeetThePress) January 3, 2021
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 231 of 231“So you live in Wisconsin. You talk about politics all the time. And somehow you've never heard of this?!!”
The argument presented by Trump lawyers to the WI Supreme Court was that the early voters did not have to present ID before voting. This was proven to be wrong. What you are talking about is something else? What? Another conspiracy theory?
"Where are you getting this from. Name sources, cites, proof."
Go to hell, Inga. As I said already, nothing you say is an honest argument or in good faith.
Go to fucking hell, you goddam worm of a human being.
“Go to hell, Inga. As I said already, nothing you say is an honest argument or in good faith.
Go to fucking hell, you goddam worm of a human being.”
Mandrewa, when faced with arguments based on facts you fall apart. I even gave you a link to the WI Elections Commission website to check it for yourself. I guess when your conspiracy theories get shot down you have a melt down. How pathetic.
I’m for letting all the sunlight in. Let the chips fall as they may.
Inga, the issue is the "indefinitely confined" voters who did not have to present any ID. The number of voters who used that category in 2020 was an absurd percentage higher than in previous years. even though "fear of COVID" did *not* qualify as a reason to claim it. That category was wildly abused in pursuit of fraud.
I don't doubt at all that you know this. and are lying as always.
“Inga, the issue is the "indefinitely confined" voters who did not have to present any ID. The number of voters who used that category in 2020 was an absurd percentage higher than in previous years. even though "fear of COVID" did *not* qualify as a reason to claim it. That category was wildly abused in pursuit of fraud.”
SUPREME COURT OF WISCONSIN
Here are the arguments regarding the indefinitely confined issue. To make it easy for you, EVERY voter who uses an absentee ballot has a witness, the name of the witness, signature and address of the wines, and signature and address of the voter, on the envelope that the ballot is sent back in, stipulating that the voter is WHO they say they are, whether they checked the indefinitely confined box or not. WI Supreme Court shot the argument down that these indefinitely confined votes were fraudulent.
The WI Supreme Court said that a voter cannot be told that they are not indefinitely confined, that is the prerogative of the voter, by LAW.
Correction, not “wines”, should be “witness”@ 4.54PM.
It's kind of funny, I have yet to hear that the GOP members actually believe there was corruption and fraud in the election - only that it gives them political gain.
What is going to be interesting is the number of Republican Senators who end up voting for Biden and his slates of electors. If there are a bunch of them, then Trump is toast. But if it is just a couple, led by Romney, they are the ones who are toast. Sure, Romney is a top tier LDS tither. Not very many in the church have given more. That won’t help him one bit if he is seen leading the RINOs for Biden contingent. His only chances at political survival are to either vote for Trump, or convince enough other GOP Senators to vote for Biden that he has political cover. The one thing that I can guarantee you is that no GOP Senator voting for Biden will be the party’s 2024 Presidential nominee. The big question for them is whether or not they get primaried (and probably lose).
Ted Cruz sees this very clearly, and is working hard to be the voice of the GOP of the future in this debate. He’s my prediction right now for 2024 GOP nominee. The party is now Trump’s like it never was for either George Bush. Throughout much of the country, it is very obvious that Republicans who don’t support Trump and his view of America, don’t support their constituents. And their constituents know this. And, yes, this includes Mitt Romney and his constituents in Utah.
“It's kind of funny, I have yet to hear that the GOP members actually believe there was corruption and fraud in the election - only that it gives them political gain.”
No. What is kind of funny is that you expect us to take your prognostications seriously, and not treat you like the troll that you so obviously are.
The congressional power to reject electors is reserved for the most extreme and unusual circumstances.
Gosh, you mean like the election being stolen?
You mean like "vote counters" preventing the poll watchers from doing their job?
Yeah. Sounds good. Lets go forward
Ahhh! Ann taken an extra dose of a strong laxative for the flowing fecal flings of extreme neutrality. What an effing joke
Squish Romney knows how to surrender all right.
Serious question. How many of you here knew about Hayes and the election of 1876 before this thread?
I've been pushing for a new corrupt bargain for months, including on this blog.
IF you get your news from the Mainstream Media, then you probably believe that scores of courts have considered claims by the Trump campaign that Biden won because of voter fraud, and the courts rejected those claims on the merits because there was no plausible evidence to support them. The fact that the cases were dismissed so quickly could make you wonder whether in fact the courts considered the Trump claims on the merits, but no one in the MSM is even raising that issue, so you likely assume it's because Rudy Guiliani is a lousy lawyer. Unless the Senators and Congressmen who challenge the electors can break through that wall of public ignorance, challenging electors will look to many/most citizens like an "attempted coup". Frankly, I don't see how, with a one-party press, it's possible to break through that wall. But that should be the objective of the exercise.
Chucky remains the poster boy for all that is wrong with Journalists! today. What was he even thinking when he said that? Oh wait. He wasn't thinking. He was advocating.
The only way to obtain irrefutable evidence is to gain access to the physical ballots and voting machines. Cases were presented to courts giving circumstantial evidence asking for the court to authorize forensic audits of the ballots and machines and testimony under oath was offered in legislatures asking for the same forensic audits, but if the courts and legislatures refused to authorize the access because of fear of violence, riots, and threats to themselves and their families, then the evidence could not be obtained. That's quite different from the claim by some that there is no evidence.
It's disturbing how many people are manipulated and brainwashed by the media into believing there is no evidence. I am glad that Republicans are finally acting with some courage, with the noteable exception of Romney, who we know couldn't even muster the courage to defend himself when he was sandbagged with false info by Candy Crowley in a presidential debate.
I'm looking forward the the debate on Wednesday in Congress and hope that finally the American people can get an uncensored presentation of the elements of the fraud as they occurred in the different states. Let's not be afraid of the truth or of riots. Let's be honest about what happened and about the evil being perpetrated on the American people by our mainstream media. Two birds with one stone.
Once again, the Democrats' method of persuasion is, "Shut Up!"
Since they control the media and soon will control our government forever, their method is actually effective.
I decided to review the Rose Garden Benghazi announcement by Obama where he called the Benghazi attack "a terrible act." He states that insulting any religion is unacceptable and not an excuse for violence, foreshadowing the story of how an unseen video resulted in a spontaneous attack in Benghazi. Note at 4:21 he does refer to "acts of terror" but that is in reference to 9-11 and other acts of terrorism, not specifically to Benghazi as he and Crowley falsely claimed in the debate with Romney. In his conclusion Obama returns to the topic of Benghazi calling it an "outrageous and shocking attack."
Of course it is interesting to watch Obama's mastery of lying and bluffing in action.
Tiny little Chuck Todd, quite possibly the only "man" shorter in TV "journalism" than George Stephanopolous, uttered the following, TOTALLY object and unbiased words to Ron Johnson:
"Stop! You don't get to make allegations that haven't been proven true."
Hmmmm...Russia! Russia! Russia!
That is all.
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It's kind of funny, I have yet to hear that the GOP members actually believe there was corruption and fraud in the election - only that it gives them political gain.
So, are you deaf? Or just a liar?
We've been repeatedly pointing out the obvious fraud in this election. if you haven't seen it, it's because you've chosen not to
We’ve been hearing this “without evidence” objection for years now.
It is, and has always been, partisan garbage for one primary reason: it tells you what their North Star is, i.e. they cannot even pretend to have any interest in the remote possibility that the election integrity is suspect.
Obviously, to those of us not poisoned by partisan mind rot, the “whether it’s true or false” part comes later. First you have to take the allegation seriously in order to determine how true or false it might be.
The <>legitimacy of the “true or false” conclusion starts with taking the allegation seriously in the first place.
And they cannot even manage to make that one simple, necessary concession to honesty and integrity.
And so we have a man who has been blatantly peddling lies for the past four years claiming that others are peddling lies. This almost certainly means that the vote fraud claims are true.
Elections are designed to be un-auditable. This has become blindingly obvious at this point, and we know this first and foremost because paper ballots are destroyed by law, quickly, even though that is the only audit trail.
If you wanted elections to be honest and verifiable, so that a reputable accounting firm could step in and verify the results, here’s one thing you wouldn’t do: destroy the audit trail, on purpose.
With electronic voting, there are many tells, starting with using floating point number representation rather than a plain old integer (which is exactly what you need to count votes), and the adjudication process which allows “fixing” “incorrect” votes, with no reliable audit trail on that either, and if you don’t think that opens the door to unfettered fraud, you’re not thinking very hard.
The fact that fraud is hard to prove after the audit trail is destroyed ... well, duh, of course it is, and that’s the way they like it.
The press doesn't get it, or they are being intentionally obtuse.
There have been no law enforcement investigations of any of these allegations because the states won't allow it. Of course there is no proof to support the allegations. But the allegations are plausible and the results of the election are questionable.
The DOJ and FBI did not investigate. They only looked at the allegations and determined there wasn't enough proof for them to launch an investigation and muddy the waters -- in other words they didn't want to get involved. Same for the courts.
This is a political issue more than a legal issue. The Republican party might decide to master the diabolical art of stealing elections now. They did it with Gerrymandering.
Todd's B.S. meme is classic MSM. They are aggressive in their ever driving search for ratings, clicks, etc., - follow the money not the 'fake meme'.
Romney is as always disingenuous. Trump was denied in courts the ability to allege and discover facts, generally. Not that he necessarily had any.
When I was a history major, 1960s, one or other of the two required semesters of US history either started or stopped with the Tilden/Hayes election. It was considered a major turning point. Any history student should have herd of it.
Inga the State-cultist is back accusing someone else of being in the grips of a cult. Priceless.
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