"... to be represented by a lawyer in this context: it’s not a criminal trial, and if no real lawyer is willing to represent him, well that’s just too bad. The notion that someone like Trump has a 'right' to have lawyers help him out in this context is a particularly perverse abuse of the concept of the right to counsel. If you represent Trump in this context it’s either because you think what Trump did on January 6th was affirmatively good, or you like money — or more realistically the promise of money — enough to overcome your distaste for murderous sedition."
Writes lawprof Paul Campos, (at Lawyer, Guns & Money). He finds it "funny" that Trump's "entire legal team quits. He's
laughing at Trump's loss of legal representation and condemning any lawyer who would step up to provide representation. He says it's perverse and abusive even to
think that there is a right to counsel at this thing called a trial that is to take place in the Senate. Everyone already knows in advance that Trump is guilty of "murderous sedition."
It's very creepy, this aggressive enthusiasm for seeing one's enemy deprived of a defense.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 231 of 231Word is all 5 lawyers do not want to represent the big lie that trump wants to represent(he won, all rigged, massive voter fraud etc) and therefore do not want to be part of the lie and jeopardize their licenses. I am excited for trump to represent himself, remember he said he wanted to do self representation(if you believe that)in Mueller story. Lets go Don! Show us your stuff, made for TV viewing ,ratings will be over the roof, even though Joes rating beat your inauguration ratings you can get big score here .Made for TV :)
Oh gee, in 2004 a shit ton of mail in votes disappeared from Republican heavy areas in Washington State.
https://twitter.com/kausmickey/status/1355858486802874368
But it couldn’t have happened this time because reasons.
Blogger Ann Althouse said...
"I just thought, and I think most of us do, that you post things that interest you."
"Then your mistake occurs at the point where you assume that if something is interesting, it is surprising."
You're quoting me responding to the "surprised" post. I never assume your intent. That would be fruitless.
Alhouse said, "Really, some of my readers disappoint me by mocking me for not adding a sledgehammer-y tag line like "Here they go again" or "Typical!" I don't write like that and I don't want to write like that. Avoiding the sledgehammer shows respect for YOU, and you should appreciate it by not snarking shit like "Why are you surprised?"
Seriously, it's irritating and discouraging."
It is not my intent to mock you, or irritate you, or discourage you. It is my intent to be witty and inciteful and to add a bit of class(burp) to this undertaking. Something, I'm proud to say, I accomplish with nearly every post. I am in a word an asset.
@hombre,
How can you be so obtuse? Is it deliberate?
Those people shouting "Hang Mike Pence" had actually caught him, what would have happened?
Tell me, what was the game plan? To silently stare down the Senators?
Every police officer that was injured was because of a leftist agitator? Was the whole thing a false flag? All those Maga videos ahead of time, openly advocating or predicting violence?
My critical faculties are fine, thank you. I once worked for someone like Trump. I'm able to discern detached, passive-aggressive manipulation.
And still, I voted for him twice.
dwshelf said...
I got myself banned from Powerline by using the word "asshole"
@jamie
Pretty much the same story for me, but now, a year or so later, I find I've been rehabilitated.
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At Breitbart, Daily Caller and another sites, they sometimes use "a**hole" of "f**king" in a headline or article to quote someone's actual words, but if YOU use those bowdlerized words in a comment, they will remove them as offensive.
Their "moderators" have the brains of a cherrystone clam.
DINKY DAU 45 said...
Word is all 5 lawyers do not want to represent the big lie that trump wants to represent(he won, all rigged, massive voter fraud etc) and therefore do not want to be part of the lie and jeopardize their licenses.
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How do you KNOW that Trump's claim is invalid?
WHO has the legal power to claim he is lying?
SINCE WHEN do lawyers lose their licenses for defending their clients?
Face it: you would have grinned like a masturbating idiot watching Stalin's show trials.
At Breitbart, Daily Caller and another sites, they sometimes use "a**hole" of "f**king" in a headline or article to quote someone's actual words, but if YOU use those bowdlerized words in a comment, they will remove them as offensive.
I'm fine with a forum devoid of such words, but the technique of putting a notice where it won't be read, then summarily banning you with not even a hint of why or even when, just seems bizarre. Most forums I read allow pretty much anything up to the usual list of criminal stuff.
If they'd have sent me a mail saying "your posting has been deleted, figure out why", I'd have figured it out. But no, I post again, and it's silently deleted. Three months later I randomly read the notice.
I apologize for coming across as a snarky dick. There was no disrespect intended. I let my frustration of this whole matter get the better of me and the first 20 minutes of Chuck Todd put me over the edge. I may be falling for the lefts desire to make everyone want to believe that if you are not with us, then you are against us. It’s not healthy. I will try to be better.
Rape and murder a 6 year old girl?
Lawprof Paul Campos is on your side.
Object to your election being stolen?
You are beyond the pale.
Here's hoping that Paul Campos can spend the rest of his life with the kind of people who he thinks are deserving of representation.
DINKY DAU 45 said...
Word is all 5 lawyers do not want to represent the big lie that trump wants to represent(he won, all rigged, massive voter fraud etc) and therefore do not want to be part of the lie and jeopardize their licenses.
Really? So defending a client with a message the "elite" don't like should cost you your law license?
Putting aside your delusions about the 2020 election, your "standards" for what should get someone's professional life destroyed mark you as a wretched pile of shit
Andres:
If some people officers get injured at a "protest" where "some people" are shouting "kill the pigs", is it correct to judge every single person there as a murderer, or at least an accessory to murder?
Andrew:
How many people were killed by the "insurrectionists"?
Who was killed first, a police officer, or an unarmed, non-violent trespasser?
BLM & Antifa spent 2020 agitating for the overthrow of the then current US government. When violence happened at one of their "protests", did that count as "insurrection"?
Communists are domestic enemies of the US Constitution. If you go to a protest that has Communists, Marxists, BLM, Antifa, or "Black Block" members there, and any violence happens, are you an accessory to their violence and an insurrectionist?
Or are all these new rules made up bullshit by totalitarian thugs (that would be your side) trying to stomp out anyone who disagrees with them, based on no principle of any sort, just your all consuming lust for power?
Even if the left control the media (and that is a dubious proposition), they most certainly do not control the justice system. .
Get back to me when just one of the people involved in the FISA fraud actually goes to jail. The FBI lawyer caught forging documents got probation and a $100 fine. Again they just gave the finger to law-abiding Americans. No one else involved in spying on the Trump campaign, and lying for years about it, has even been charged.
And Antifa and BLM rioters get released, as well as the rioters during the Trump inauguration in 2016. I think all rioters should get the same treatment, but that's not the way it is.
Andrew said...
Another profession's hypocrisy and corruption, exposed by Trump. How does he do it?
I'll be honest. I've soured on Trump since November. I think he cost Republicans the Senate. His legal team was a joke. His pardons were sins of omission and commission. And he bears responsibility for the attack on the Capitol. Even if his January 6 speech and rally were entirely Gandhi-esque, he should have stopped it immediately once he saw what was happening. He put his own VP's life in danger. People supporting him killed a police officer, and injured many more. Inexcusable, and disqualifying.
This person is not real. They never voted for Trump.
This is an obvious bad faith poster.
Andrew said...
@hombre,
How can you be so obtuse? Is it deliberate?
Those people shouting "Hang Mike Pence" had actually caught him, what would have happened?
Tell me, what was the game plan? To silently stare down the Senators?
Every police officer that was injured was because of a leftist agitator? Was the whole thing a false flag? All those Maga videos ahead of time, openly advocating or predicting violence?
My critical faculties are fine, thank you. I once worked for someone like Trump. I'm able to discern detached, passive-aggressive manipulation.
And still, I voted for him twice.
No Trump supporter would believe any of these lies.
This is not a real person. This is a fake troll entity.
yup its true trump loves the uneducated Greg fella and the splaining guy should come out of the bubble and USE YOUR HEADS common retort when lose of reality calling names and swearing and degrading shows up as non serious persons .
lawers bailed on trump eve secolow ,bondi all the beauts..
So Donald Trump, even though he is lost so far, every single lawsuit that has been ruled upon so far in his election challenge, he is still somehow finding lawyers willing to file these frivolous and basically fraudulent lawsuits for him. But that could come to an end. Very soon, we have already seen reports of lawyers at Jones day. One of the law firms handling some of these lawsuits for Donald Trump, a law firm. He has paid $20 million to over the last five years. They’re starting to worry that representing the president in these instances could destroy their reputation. Uh, other lawyers from other firms have much more serious concerns, and that is that filing fraudulent lawsuits could cost them their legal license and prevent them from ever being able to practice law again. And if you’re worried about that, then shouldn’t that kind of tell everybody that all of this is fake. WAKE UP FELLAS YOU MUST BE DINKY DAU KIDS :( yes you lose your license for frivolous claims why do you think they didnt clain fraud in court..think... thats what they say...WORDS OUT come out of the bubble its there for ya! and grandma would wash your mouth out with lye soap in my day :)
DINKY DAU 45 said...
yup its true trump loves the uneducated Greg fella and the splaining guy should come out of the bubble and USE YOUR HEADS
Yeah, "DINKY DAU 45" to judge my education and ability to think.
Blogger daskol said..."There's a lot of excitable boys around is an appropriate warning to the lawfare crowd, to put it in Warren Zevon terms."
And how about the dead-enders that will be created in the cancel culture war? Nothing to lose.
It will never happen, and maybe I am small for thinking this, but I truly hope that some day Campos is charged with a crime so heinous that nobody will defend him.
The way things are going, by 2025 that crime may be that a female student thought he stared at her too long back in 2017, and has decided to do something about it.
That would be peotic on multiple levels.
Even liberals know that Paul Campos is a fool.
But the right to counsel doesn’t include the right to make your lawyer present frivolous arguments, like the Big Steal.
It will be interesting to see who steps up and whether Trump continues to insist on leading with a lie.
Mark said...
Meanwhile, it is telling when one heatedly criticizes commenters while tepidly merely calling "creepy" someone else's actions in contributing to the destruction of this justice
It is appropriate to give a heightened critique of assholes when they are being assholes at your own dinner table, as it were, even if in the grander scheme of things they are less assholish than others
Cheers!
Freddy Frederson:
That's a lovely court of law you've got there son. Would be a shame if somebody ..packed it.
Greg the Class Traitor:
I recommend starving the troll.
What's your definition of a troll? Someone who disagrees with you, who you don't think can possibly be sincere?
I voted for Trump twice, and I think he bears responsibility for January 6. Those aren't mutually exclusive. I know several Republicans who feel the same way. See what I wrote in my first comment. That is a common sentiment among people that I know.
We need a better class of commenters. Lighten up, Francisses.
Let's get one thing straight: there's nothing respectable about statism. Essentially it's legalized banditry.
Paul Compost would be a great name for this guy if he were in a punk band. But he's a real life garbage person, not just someone playing one on stage for kicks.
Andrew said...
I voted for Trump twice, and I think he bears responsibility for January 6.
Then you're a moron.
The people who bear responsibility for 1/6:
1: The people endorsed / excused / justified / defended the BLM and Antifa riots last year
2: The "vote counters" (all Democrats) who stopped counting in the middle of election night while they still had ballots
3: The "vote counters" (all Democrats) who blocked poll watchers from doing their intrusive best to monitor the election
4: The judges who allowed #3
5: The press and politicians who allowed / excused / justified / defended #3 & #4
6: The press and politicians who fought and mocked and refused to do any investigations into #2 & #3, both of which are obvious signs that vote fraud is taking place
#1 established that "people who feel disenfranchised" have a "right" to engage in political violence.
#2-6 left 75 million Trump voters reasonably believing that they have been disenfranchised
When you ask people to commit violence, you don't get to whine when they take you up on it
Andrew said...
I voted for Trump twice, and I think he bears responsibility for January 6.
Realistically? You're lying.
Because if you weren't lying, you would have responded to my questions about left wing violence by condemning that violence.
You didn't because you're a left-wing troll
Andrew wrote:
//What's your definition of a troll? Someone who disagrees with you, who you don't think can possibly be sincere?//
I can't speak for Francisses,but that's not my definition.
//...We need a better class of commenters. Lighten up, Francisses//
I agree!
Cheers! :}
Should the most accused vile criminal have the right to a defense? We all agree to the theory that, of course, the most accused vile criminal should be chained, whipped, and scourged.
Trump. A mirror on our society. We all need help with our brains.
So...on with the productive discussion. Is there a man, no matter how hideous the crime, that should not be granted the right to a defense.
Ann, (forgive me for being familiar), could you, as a lawyer, defend Donald J Trump for his crimes?
Creepy? More like unconstitutional. But I ain't gots no legal learnin'.
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