Said Marco Rubio, on Fox News Sunday, when Chris Wallace asked him about the possibility that Ivanka Trump will primary him when he runs for reelection Florida in 2022.
Wallace wanted to know "How seriously do you take Ivanka Trump as a potential opponent?" But Rubio ignored the opportunity to slight Ivanka and say that somehow she's not serious.
Anyway, Rubio is up for reelection in 2022. Six years before that, he had to do his reelection campaign while also running for the Republican nomination for President. Remember how Jeb Bush — in a last-ditch effort to make something of his own badly failing presidential campaign — criticized Rubio for not staying in Washington and doing his senatorial work? That happened in October 2015, when it was clear that Rubio was the best hope to get a moderate Republican candidate instead of Trump. Here's my blog post about that. I thought Jeb should have withdrawn and endorsed Rubio instead of attacking him on a very fake issue.
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if anyone doesn't like Trump; they should be blaming Jeb Bush
HE sucked up all the money, HE poisoned the well, HE made Trump possible
Looking back, i guess i should be grateful :)
Rubio was the best hope to get a moderate Republican candidate instead of Trump
Moderate stands in for not knowing how to defeat the swamp. That turned out to be Trump as well, but Trump was outnumbered on every side.
I think "conventional" is a better word than "moderate" to describe Republican Rubio. Rubio lost the primary process all by himself when he insisted on repeating key "message" words like a puppet instead of responding to questions. A good performance would have sealed the deal for him, but instead his implosion prevented a coalescence around a conventional GOP candidate. Blaming Jeb is misplaced. Rubio was not done in by money.
Trump has moderate policies like a modest tax base, not subsidizing first world countries, controlled borders like first world countries, willingness to reach across the aisle in compromise but he says mean things to his vicious opponents. Therefore he's double impeachment salt the Earth so he can't run again crazy.
With Marco Rubio moderate means always willing to support the humanity destroying policies of the Democrats. No thank you but enjoy tge suckage.
Democrats pulled one 'We're offended!' trick on Rubio and he folded like a lawn chair.
Rubio embodies everything Trumpism is against. Guy is a complete robot programmed by the RNC, proven when Chris Christie made him short circuit live on tv:
https://youtu.be/u9OZ8xHTX7c
Interesting in that in your old post you linked, that you didn't mention Trump. I read the comments, and he was barely mentioned in them as well.
Oh, how wrong we all were.
Rubio will have a hard time winning another election again after the Donald pointed out that Rubio drinks too much water.
Patrick said...
Rubio embodies everything Trumpism is against. Guy is a complete robot programmed by the RNC, proven when Chris Christie made him short circuit live on tv:
https://youtu.be/u9OZ8xHTX7c
1/25/21, 6:08 AM
Let’s also not forget the fact that he drinks A LOT of water.
I hope she does not do this.
Therefore he's double impeachment salt the Earth so he can't run again crazy.
A correction we need to establish on the internet.
President Trump has only been impeached once. As on now. The Senate has seen no article of impeachment. There is time for Pelosi to impeach President Trump 2 or 3 more times...if you ignore the constitution
Jeb Bush's entry into the race created the dynamics that brought us Trump. I believed that then and I still believe it.
Unlike then, I now believe that Trump was a necessary step. Marco is yesterday's news. He's not what we needed, even thought he's what they wanted to sell us. He's the one who'll have to reinvent.
I mean I'm not entitled to anything and so forth. I've got to earn my way forward."
I can't find the quote, but the "and so forth" reminds me of something George HW Bush said about being shot down in the Pacific during WWII. While bobbing in the water, hoping Americans find him before sharks or the Japanese did, he said he thought about life and family and freedom of speech and religion.
Like Bush's "freedom of speech and religion," Rubio's "anything and so forth" is a sign that he doesn't mean it; he's just throwing out an answer he thinks will be useful to him politically. And he's phoning it in.
"Guy is a complete robot..."
Ivanka comes across as robotic.
It would be interesting to see how she'd do at getting votes. I don't think she'd do well.
Probably as well as Kamala would have done.
“when it was clear that Rubio was the best hope to get a moderate Republican candidate instead of Trump.”
Was Trump immoderate? I tend to agree with various commenters on this blog that Trump didn’t govern much differently than previous presidents. Trump talked differently, but his policies were pretty middle-of-the-road, Democrat hysteria notwithstanding. In contrast, the executive orders Biden has signed since taking office seem quite immoderate to me.
"Moderate Republicans" have no future.
Ivanka!
It's so much better than Jeb!
I'm with Althouse on this one. Rubio is a Tea Party product. The original is still the best.
"I thought Jeb should have withdrawn and endorsed Rubio instead of attacking him on a very fake issue."
Yes, the Bushes have a lot to answer for. But then, they are so arrogant, they won't.
"Trump talked differently, but his policies were pretty middle-of-the-road."
And he also appropriated what used to be liberal policies--fair trade, running big deficits.
This completely misses what propelled Trump to the top and cost Bush and Rubio the nomination - ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.JB was for illegals flooding the border "out of love."Rubio lost his following when he was suckered by Schumer into supporting amnesty.The rise in wages at the bottom along with the low black and hispanic unemployment rate proved Trump correct. Of course, since Biden took office he has been working hard to reverse all Trump's policies that helped cut illegal immigration.The left wants more poor unemployed black and browns so they can buy future elections without having to fraud so much.
Ivanka - really?? She has zero stage presence. Of the Trump children so far Don jr shows the most promise and interest in politics, but he too lacks the father's unique charisma.
Neither Jeb nor Rubio were in charge of their own primary campaigns: they were part of a dozen people all in the pay of Club for Growth. This was the CfG strategy that time — set up everyone in the primary and manipulate them to produce desired outcomes state by state in case the citizen activists managed to rally and pick an outsider on the single most important issue, per GOP internal polling: illegal immigration, outsourcing, and legal job-poaching immigration. Which we eventually did. Trump was the only candidate they didn’t support.
Rubio was also already over for a significant portion of a needed voter demographic after Gang of Eight, years earlier. At the time, the Kochs threw together a rescue job in Orlando, a big free event with all the bells and whistles marketed as a “training” but with Rubio headlining.
He was booed off the stage. By then, we in Florida knew that anyone who entered those Club for Growth closed-door meetings came out indebted to people who were our real enemies within. Contractors from Miami who had lost their businesses to the pressures wrought by mass illegals in the trade quietly handed out anti-Rubio signs and buttons, and they were everywhere.
We were wise to their efforts to manipulate, and our votes were needed. It was painful to let Ben Carson and Cruz go, but they were in the hands of the Kochs and the majority of us knew what that meant.
Something else people don’t know: the Kochs’ real choice in 2016 was Jeb! They bought every candidate except Trump, then partnered with the Democrats to destroy him when he got the nomination. None of this has anything to do with what one candidate or another said. The primary was 12 bought-off folks versus Trump, and for once, big money lost. Ironically, the opposite happened on the Democrat side. I’m sure everyone will try something different in 2024.
The Koch forces ran similar disinformation this year in Georgia to destroy the Senate races. Using Club for Growth, they sent out super packed demoralization literature trying to scare conservatives from the polls. And they are openly supporting Democrats now. Now they’re subsidizing an idiot, probably an intelligence state plant, Shane Hazel, to run libertarian to crash the GOP governor’s race. Welcome to the new Governor of Georgia, Stacey Abrams.
Ivanka is even more leftist than Rubio. I’m not sure which is a more empty suit. Sexy dummy teletubbies. And I still can’t explain anything about George Pataki.
I was a Marco fan in 2016. I liked how he seemed to have a grasp of facts and could deliver his answers smoothly. Then, in the debate before the NH primary (I think it was NH), Chris Christie lit into Marco for the rehearsed and robotic nature of his responses. When Marco defended himself, Christie pointed to his answer as a perfect example of Marco's dependence on canned verbiage. Poof, Marco didn't do well in NH and his downward projectory began. I think the media and the Dems (same thing sadly) were concerned that Marco would be seriously competitive against Hillary. They wanted Tump because they thought he was a joke.
Superpac not super packed. Damn spellcheck.
Michaele: Rubio was already despised by needed voters in needed states. We had his number years earlier. He was never going to win. The media and the Democrats had nothing to do with it. They would have loved to have Rubio to run against. He’s got a lot of dirt under the rug.
Check out Rubio’s history in the Florida House. He’s a shallow crook from way back. Only the power of his sponsors, the Kochs and Al Cardenas, kept him from being indicted for financial crimes relating to the community college system along with other in his inner circle during his tenure in Tallahassee. The set-aside job at FIU. The financial problems, Miami machine, and so on. He’s dirty.
Nobody “tricked” him into supporting Gang of Eight either. That’s precisely what he was put in Washington to do by Cardenas. Nobody in Washington gets tricked. They get told what to do by the money that put them there.
Someone I know well, a precinct leader in New York, didn’t know much about Rubio and we hadn’t talked about it yet, so he liked him. Being diligent, he knocked on 100 doors of his folks and asked them who they were voting for. To his surprise, nearly all said ‘Trump, but I’m not saying so.’ Rubio was going nowhere.
DC denizens are ten times dirtier than you’d think on a bad day. Biden probably 100 times worse, with his tenure. The media protects all the insiders and attacks all outsiders. Conservatism Inc. also protects scum like Rubio while manipulating the younger libertarians to do stupid things. We have to be even smarter to beat them all next time. Probably not possible now.
...when it was clear that Rubio was the best hope to get a moderate Republican candidate instead of Trump.
Don't you mean a President Hillary Clinton?
Trump calling him Little Marco was fatal.
Rubio was the best hope to get a moderate Republican candidate instead of Trump.
It is debatable that Marco is more moderate on policy than Trump. He is moderate in terms of presentation. In other words a wimpy Republican.
Of course, if Rubio were elected POTUS, he would be a Nazi racist literally worse than Hitler and Trump.
I had hopes for Rubio (young, Hispanic) but he proved to be a fairly dim bulb with no killer instinct.
DC denizens are ten times dirtier than you’d think on a bad day. Biden probably 100 times worse, with his tenure. The media protects all the insiders and attacks all outsiders. Conservatism Inc. also protects scum like Rubio while manipulating the younger libertarians to do stupid things. We have to be even smarter to beat them all next time. Probably not possible now
I agree with most of this. The Kochs flipped when the issue became China and tariffs.
Ivanka! is one of those words that looks like a palindrome but isn't.
Rubio's actions on the Senate Intel Committee are pretty suspicious. Seems to be the home of a lot of swamp types that hid a lot of dirt.
Just FUD to talk about Ivanka running. Typical Dem crap.
The contrast between the Republican primary campaign in 2016 and the Democratic primary in 2020 is dramatic. In 2016, many Repubs who were pretty indistinguishable from each other stayed in far too long, which certainly helped Trump, as he stood out. (Understatement of the day.) In 2020, the candidate among the Democrats who stood out was Bernie. He had a solid 30% or so of the voters, and was making noises about a plurality being enough to win the nomination. Then, when Biden did well in South Carolina, the remainder of the field, all more or less Biden look-alikes, except for his extreme age, dropped out. This knocked out Sanders and probably won the Presidency for the Democrats (or at least set them up to have a chance of winning.) Interesting that the Democrats were more disciplined than the Repubs.
A lot of Democrats held Sanders partially to blame for Clinton's defeat and were united against him in a way Republicans were not against Trump. Plus fewer underestimated Sanders after 2016 than Trump in 2016.
I expect Rubio to play a prominent role defending Trump in impeachment. Would Trump family then turn against him?
BothSidesNow: Democrats are usually extremely disciplined when the rubber meets the road. They run around like headless chickens for 364 days a year, but when it's time to vote they keep their eyes on the prize. Power is what they care about, and they all realize that they have to grit their teeth and pull the lever for a candidate they don't love (such as Biden) because that's the only way to get power and keep power. I don't think the Democrats really have any principles at all right now (other than an iron commitment to abortion) so the ability to exercise power, to reward friends and punish enemies -- that's the only reason to be a Democrat other than habit.
Regarding 2016, Rubio and Jeb Bush both could have and should have run to the right in the primaries. Jeb at one time talked and governed like a Reaganite. Then he and his brilliant campaign staff decided he should launch his presidential bid by loudly and consistently denigrating conservatives and most bedrock conservative beliefs. It was perhaps the dumbest primary strategy I've ever seen. I can only conclude that his advisors were either really, really incompetent, or actually wanted him to fail.
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, Ivanka!
Rubio can be more Trump-like than Ivanka.
He’d beat her pretty easily. He’s more populist and less liberal than she is.
"Interesting that the Democrats were more disciplined than the Repubs."
The Dems are killers...the Rs are not.
Readering said...I expect Rubio to play a prominent role defending Trump in impeachment.
The second impeachment will never be introduced in the Senate. The average American has already forgotten about it and there's no way Democrats are going to try to revive it when 95% of the country will just shake its head and ask, "what the...?!"
Once the polls on Biden's administration start coming in, impeachment will be dropped right along with all the other stupid hard-left garbage Biden's handlers are making him sign right away before anybody has a chance to do anything about it.
I thought Jeb's jab at Rubio was helpful to Rubio. It made him look less like the full on establishment choice, which he wasn't. Catshit was the full on establishment choice when Jeb pulled out. Still, I put Rubio behind Cruz in my preference, but completely agree that at the particular time, Rubio was the establishments best last chance to beat Trump (and stay Never-Cruz, as the Lincoln Project is now proving they always were). Again, they chose Catshit, because they are stupid and losers.
As for Ivanka, I think she's competent, but I doubt she could really beat Rubio, even with Trumpster support. She's not her dad, in both good ways and bad. Where she is like her dad, is where I see her competence.
Ivanka is following in Marine Le Pen's footsteps? But Ivanka is kind of crappy. She comes off as super bourgeois and elitist. She oozes disdain. Did you know that she "instructed" the Secret Service not to use any of the half-dozen bathrooms inside her home? That is some bullsh*t right there.
Blogger Readering said...
I expect Rubio to play a prominent role defending Trump in impeachment. Would Trump family then turn against him?
More trolling. There will be no Senate trial. Roberts has already said he will not preside.
Then, when Biden did well in South Carolina, the remainder of the field, all more or less Biden look-alikes, except for his extreme age, dropped out. This knocked out Sanders and probably won the Presidency for the Democrats (or at least set them up to have a chance of winning.) Interesting that the Democrats were more disciplined than the Repubs.
Clyburn did it all by himself. Sort of like Daley in 1960.
If Chelsea Clinton had Ivanka's looks and poise, she would be moonlighting from her day job as a US Senator to star in major motion pictures, probably as some new Marvel superhero. Franchise role.
"Blogger Readering said...
"I expect Rubio to play a prominent role defending Trump in impeachment. Would Trump family then turn against him?
"More trolling. There will be no Senate trial. Roberts has already said he will not preside."
Well, I guess it makes a change from accusing me of just passing on talking points from the DNC.
Roberts probably does not need to preside since no conflict of interest in Harris presiding. But I still expect him to do so, however reluctant.
Ann Althouse said...Ivanka comes across as robotic. It would be interesting to see how she'd do at getting votes. I don't think she'd do well.
My take is a bit more generous. I suspect she is a very nice, intelligent but naive little princess. If Hillary was her mother, she would called the smartest woman in politics and the future of America.
Chelsea Clinton has sufficient looks and poise. (To me, Ivanka's looks are overrated, but as I wrote in another thread, such things are subjective. Hope Hicks more my type.)
I expect CC did not want to risk undermining her mother's ambitions, and then learned from Jeb the limits to nepotism. But she may also have learned from DJT that one can wait longer to enter politics if one has sufficient name recognition. Those lessons will sink in for Ivanka.
Rubio is not one of the backstabbers. It will be unfortunate if Ivanka runs against him.
Now being reported that President Pro Tem will preside at the impeachment trial.
The same guy who has been in 5 Batman movies? Third in the line of succession? Well now doesn't that sound constitutional.
I suppose the Fraudocrats will argue that since it isn't a trial trial, they don't need to follow the real rules.
Blogger readering said...
Chelsea Clinton has sufficient looks and poise.
There is an optician on every corner. Avail yourself of one.
Webb Hubbell thanks you.
Rubio is too moderate compared to Ivanka?
I Like Rubio. I'd vote for Rubio.
At this point I am sick of political family dynasties .
The Webb Hubbell nonsense perplexes me.
Chelsea looks like the combination of Bill and Hillary. Both hare rather unattractive. and Chelsea is too. you don't need a silly conspiracy to explain Chelsea's looks.
Hillary pretty when young. I have spoken to many women who thought Bill had sex appeal. I never judge such things.
Why can't she target a seat that would offer an R pick up?
Bill lost his sex appeal when he spooged on a young intern in the oval office.
Hillary lost her good looks when she blamed Bill's spooging on a young intern in the oval office on the "vast right wing conspiracy"
What really sealed Hillary's slide into pure ugly was after she accused Tulsi, Jill and others of being "Russian assets." Also, her private server for Clinton cash.
UGLY.
But Chelsea did get a fancy expensive wedding out of the deal.
"Hillary pretty when young. I have spoken to many women who thought Bill had sex appeal."
Hillary was a serious woofer...the very definition of a two-bagger.
The lib ladies like Bill for his power and money, and the fact that he likes killing babies, not for his looks.
It's OK to be a liberal lapdog sometimes I guess, as it seems to be your nature.
But when you say thing that are flat-out lies, it doesn't help you cause.
Cause? Of responding to attacks on physical appearances of women in politics? Is there a wikipedia entry?
All this talk of Ivanka running seems pretty manufactured to me. Has anyone asked her if she is even interested?
"All this talk of Ivanka running seems pretty manufactured to me. Has anyone asked her if she is even interested?"
It's pretty silly.
She doesn't have her dad's fire and she is far too liberal, unless she runs as a democrat.
She's smart enough, no doubt, smarter than most from what I've seen.
But she probably has better things to do with her hundreds of millions...
you don't need a silly conspiracy to explain Chelsea's looks.
No but she does look like Webb.
Hillary and Bill were not bad looking when younger and once Hillary got over the angry lesbian look, she was not bad.
As for silly conspiracy theories, why was Obama's birth certificate not the original and provided by the White House and not the Hawaii public records office ? I just got a copy of mine for my grand daughter who is hoping to get a DAR scholarship to college. State of Illinois charged $15 and sent it promptly. I am a lot older than Obama.
Her father may have made it look easy. But it isn’t.
Hillary was (is) a woofer - indeed. Her voice and her lies don't help.
as for Bill Clinton being a progenitor - did he not claim to be shooting blanks after measles infection while young?
Rubio was the best hope to get a moderate Republican candidate instead of Trump
Rubio was an overly programmed joke. He never had the slightest shot at winning the Presidency.
It wasn't Jeb who destroyed Rubio, it was Chri Christy, at the GOP debate before the New Hampshire Primary, when he pointed out Rubio's verbal tick, and then Rubio did it again.
Once Scott Walker dropped out, there were two possible GOP nominees: Trump, and Cruz
Rubio stayed in the race to sabotage Cruz, and ty to get Trump the nomination. Mission Accomplished
You got the moderate candidate who could reach across the aisle to Democrat voters; Trump
The problem is that the Democrats are insane, power lusting monsters, and weren't willing to compromise with Trump
Crackpipe, if I was still in Florida, I’d strategically vote Rubio over Ivanka, only if there was no other viable choice, of course. I don’t ever shit-can my vote. But he’s a scumbag weasel.
I am always startled that people don’t follow the money more with regard to primaries. That’s where it matters most.
In 2016, the various CfG and other superpac money political interests — libertarian Koch, leftists internet giants, and GOPe and DNC financial market money were hellbent to destroy only one candidate: Trump. And that was because he alone was challenging their borg control of the labor markets through legal and illegal immigration. Boiled down, that’s where all the money originates in Washington. It spreads to other issues, but that’s the top of the stream.
Hell, I love Ted Cruz and Ben Carson. But they lacked any ability to become nationally viable candidates without selling their souls to the open-borders Kochs. It was Koch money that put them on the planes that delivered them to the TEA Parties that gave them credibility as national candidates.
I worked for the Kochs at the time. Through an oversight, I never had to sign an employee non-disclosure. Everyone else who did were threatened with lawsuits if they said what I just said. These people HATE citizen activists and think we are idiots. I sat in a lot of rooms listening to very high ranking Koch operatives mock the grassroots and laugh over how easy they were to manipulate with “gimmie hats and totes.”
It was sickening. The entire 45 year effort by Charles and David Koch to open borders was wormholed, and if you dared mention immigration in any group they had bought off with even tiny grants, you’d be shut down and legally threatened. This story needs to be told.
If we can’t start seeing how much we have been betrayed, forget the Democrats but by people using libertarians and Conservatism Inc. to play dirty identity politics silencing us in our own backyards, we may as well stay home and declare defeat. Your opinion doesn’t matter. Your judgment doesn’t matter. Their money matters, yesterday, today, and tomorrow, for anyone running federally.
I can’t believe anyone still supports Rubio. There has been ample time to learn what he is.
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