January 13, 2021

At the Sunrise Café...

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... you can talk all night, but don't talk about the re-impeachment here. Go one post down for that. Keep Trump out of this one. This is a Trump-free safe space. Let's talk about safe spaces and other concepts that recently were big but have disappeared. A difficult topic, because who can remember what is forgotten. What's the most important thing you forgot recently? What's your favorite time of day? What songs can you think of that depict romantic love as a very casual, easy-going activity? Do those songs annoy you or were you hoping they'd influence potential partners not to be too demanding? 

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Mark said...

Who killed the unarmed Ashli Babbitt?

Howard said...

Love the pictures today, Althouse. Congratulations on your coming blogversary. Every day for 17-years is impressive. This is a world class blog.

Balfegor said...

Coronavirus!
US is going to require negative coronavirus tests within 72 hours of departure for all incoming international passengers . . . starting in two weeks. I rather wish they'd do it for all domestic flights and intercity rail too.
Rapid tests on check in for hotels would be great too. None of these are perfect, but it's not about setting up a 100% effective screen, just throwing up a couple more 50-60% screens to help reduce risks.

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Iman said...

I denounce Air Supply. Air Supply is asshole.

rcocean said...

My wife isn't influenced by songs. LOL! If I asked her, I would get one of her "Why are you so stupid?" cold stares.

rhhardin said...

Lockdown Music for a While

YoungHegelian said...

I don't know if this is considered "Trump" related, but as of now downtown DC near the WH is locked-down one step short of martial law. There are concrete jersey walls blocking major intersections (such as 17th & K), and you have to show an id that proves you have an essential reason to be on the other side, such as a government ID for the WH complex. AirBnB has shut down stays for the inauguration in DC. Mayor Bowser is under pressure to close the hotels, and almost all the restaurants are closed anyway. Some inaugural welcome for the citizens to their Nation's Capital, eh?

Congress & the local DC government seem to be terrified. Of what, I don't know. I could hazard some tin-foil hat guesses, but really I don't know. What I suspect is at the root of their terror, after hearing some lefty Congresscritters opine that the Capitol Police may have been in it with the rioters, is that the residents of The Swamp may be starting to understand that they can not be assured of the loyalty of those who are assigned to protect them. Think about it --- would you take a bullet for the likes of AOC, Nancy Pelosi of the $15k freezer, or, in the name of all that is Holy, Maxine Waters? Yeah, me neither, and I imagine that's going through the mind of quite a few National Guardsmen camped out on the streets of DC right now.

If asked, I will be happy to delete & move this to another posting if this is too "Trump".

rcocean said...

WHy aren't the DC Police identifying the murderer of Ashli Babbitt? A very good question.

Anyway, I just listened to two Great Miles Davis songs. One was "walkin'" and the other bags groove. Monk has a great piano solo on "Bags Groove". As for classical music I've most enjoyed this month were Mahler's 1st and 3rd symphonies. Not so much impressed with his 8th and 9th. Too long-winded and pompous for my tastes.

rcocean said...

The lockdown and tight security of DC borders on the comedic. Congress has shown themselves to be gutless cowards. 15,000 National Guardsman to protect them against mythical "Right wing violence". Gutless, dangerous, clowns.

DavidUW said...

Are there any penalties for impersonating a health care worker and signing up for a vaccination?
asking for a friend.

Ignorance is Bliss said...

rcocean said...
WHy aren't the DC Police identifying the murderer of Ashli Babbitt?

Probably, in part, because there is none.
For there to be a murderer, there has to have been a murder, not a justified killing.

Original Mike said...

"What's your favorite time of day?"

Night.

rcocean said...

Music for a while
Shall all your cares beguile.

rcocean said...

Its amazing what human scum the Left is. They will say anything.

YoungHegelian said...

@Ignorance,

For there to be a murderer, there has to have been a murder, not a justified killing.

Nope, sorry. If there was a Justice Dept investigation into the killing of the various miscreants who sparked the riots, then this deserves an investigation. Have yo not watched the videos? The woman was shot in a room filling up with police. Matter of fact, had the bullet missed Ms Babbitt, there would have been a 1 out 3 chance it would have hit a cop.

I'm Full of Soup said...

Has our postal system gone to Soviet quality level? 4 pieces of mail received in the last 3 days were dated two weeks or more ago. Anyone else seen same shitty service?

DavidUW said...

Probably, in part, because there is none.
For there to be a murderer, there has to have been a murder, not a justified killing.
>>
That's why we don't know the names of the cops who were around Floyd while he expired from a drug overdose?

mockturtle said...

Can the Packers' superior offense defeat the Rams' superior defense?

YoungHegelian said...

@Soup,

Anyone else seen same shitty service?

Yes. I got insurance account checks mailed to me on 12/23 today, and the insurance company tells me they're getting complaints from all over. Also, two days ago I got a Christmas card from a friend in California with a 12/20 postmark.

The Post Office is falling apart.

mockturtle said...

Mornings.

Humperdink said...

If a picture is worth 100 words, a video should be worth at least 10,000. Babbitt was murdered. Especially with two LEO's directly behind her with semi-auto rifles, who apparently thought she posed no threat.

Humperdink said...

One aspect the Babbitt video I found curious was after Babbitt was shot and down, one of the trailing LEO's gave a "thumbs-up" to the shooter.

Clyde said...

Balfegor said...
Coronavirus!
US is going to require negative coronavirus tests within 72 hours of departure for all incoming international passengers . . . starting in two weeks.


They should just land in Tijuana or Nuevo Laredo and walk across the border with one of the caravans. None of them will be required to show negative coronavirus tests, you can be damn sure of that!

Original Mike said...

"Anyone else seen same shitty service?"

We had our mail forwarded to a vacation home last summer. The Post Office screwed it up badly. Some mail was forwarded, some was delivered to our permanent home, and some disappeared. And there was no discernible temporal pattern to the delivery location.

Mikey NTH said...

I'm full of soup: Nope. I renewed my registration online on Monday and got the new tags today.

Rory said...

"What songs can you think of that depict romantic love as a very casual, easy-going activity?"

Here's one, with a cute dog:

https://youtu.be/WAO5wx9M_xc

Original Mike said...

"Can the Packers' superior offense defeat the Rams' superior defense?"

I wish I knew, mockturtle. They were my least favorite of the possible Packer opponents for this weekend.

Unknown said...

Romantic songs where love is casual...

Thunder Road.

Screen door slams,
Mary's dress waves
Like a vision she dances across the porch
As the radio plays

(Building up to romance, BUT... later...)

Show a little faith,
There's Magic in the night
You ain't a beauty,
But hey, you're alright
Oh, and that's alright with me...

Wait a second, what!!!???

He blew it."You ain't a beauty???

Great song, however.

Mark said...

About the Uniformly Sovietized Postal Service, get used to it folks. This is Biden's America. And soon to be emblematic of every sector of society.

Mark said...

You were warned this would be the case.

n.n said...

Melody Gardot - Our Love is Easy

If you ask me plainly, I would gladly say
I'd like to have you round just for them rainy days
I like the touch of your hand
The way you make no demands
Our love is easy

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

I posted this same comment on insty - and no I'm not a bot.
Purchased a "my pillow" over a week ago. Finally showed up. (fedex took forever) and I opened and followed the washing instructions. You can wash it with ease + dry it on high heat. (tumbling as I type)

Anyway - my shoulders and neck are causing me pain and I thought I'd give the "my pillow" a try.
I'll let you know how the it goes. Trying it out tonight.
I love the fact that tag reads: MADE IN AMERICA.

I guess the corrupt Soviet left are trying to cancel the My Pillow guy. Who seems like the sweetest guy in the world. + Made in America! Not China.
I'm over "made in China"... gonna do my best to steer clear.

Balfegor said...

Re: I'm Full of Soup:

Has our postal system gone to Soviet quality level? 4 pieces of mail received in the last 3 days were dated two weeks or more ago. Anyone else seen same shitty service?

It was never very good where I am. Postmen regularly left packages addressed to my building at other buildings with similar addresses. I can't guess as to how frequently this happened with other mail because if I'm not expecting it I'd never know it was misdelivered. For packages, I would say postmen in my area screwed it up more than FedEx, but less than UPS, and way less than Lazership (do they even exist anymore?) Amazon delivery is bad too, but I've realised that it isn't because they're delivering to the wrong location, picking it up, and redelivering -- somewhere in their system, someone/something just regularly inputs lies about the actual delivery status of their packages.

Now, though, USPS is totally unreliable. My neighbours were complaining that they're just now receiving priority mail postmarked early December. When tracking mail, you can see it just sits at a local facility for ten days or whatever before it moves anywhere. Apparently in addition to higher volume, they're also shorthanded because their workers keep getting sick.

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Rory said...

"Anyone else seen same shitty service?"

Couldn't find my monthly sewage bill which should have been due, called the company and they said everyone was calling because the bills hadn't been delivered. On the other hand,I got three misdelivered letters in three days, so it evens out.

Ken B said...

Old Hegelian
There was a killing. There is dispute about if it was murder. Those certain of the answer are privy to no more facts than I am, and I think they are jumping to conclusions, both ways.

farmgirl said...

We get one radio station in the barn: 80s hits
I never listened to CKGM when Kasey Kasim did his weekly countdowns-
these last few years I’ve soundly made up for that- literally- heh.
I lived the 80s- loved 1st in the 80s and I don’t dispise a second. Growth.
And I miss the people I grew up w/- mostly...

I love my 1st cup of coffee in the morning and am grateful to climb into bed at night.
I find every day to be sooo long- and weeks speed by like lightning.

Thank u for adding so much to my day.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

Humperdink said:

If a picture is worth 100 words, a video should be worth at least 10,000. Babbitt was murdered. Especially with two LEO's directly behind her with semi-auto rifles, who apparently thought she posed no threat.

what's a LEO?

The whole crap sandwich smells like a giant set up.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

One aspect the Babbitt video I found curious was after Babbitt was shot and down, one of the trailing LEO's gave a "thumbs-up" to the shooter.

What? Geeez - that is horrible.

wild chicken said...

Mornings are best for me. This morning I knocked out a short story, just like that.

Not that it's always like that.

Rt41Rebel said...

"Why aren't the DC Police identifying the murderer of Ashli Babbitt? A very good question."

A very good answer: The murder of Ashli Babbitt was part of a planned false flag operation, just like removing barricades, opening the doors, and ushering in protesters. Someone had to die, and at that moment in time, information of other casualties wasn't known. Ashli Babbitt wasn't singled out, she just happened to cross paths with the assassin at an opportune moment.

Balfegor said...

All that said, one plus for the postal service: they have this Informed Delivery service I signed up for when I was trying to wait out the pandemic overseas, and it's quite helpful. I wish holdmail could hold for longer than 30 days? 60? I can't remember what the limit is, only that I always blow past it (I came back once to find the postman had put a little note there asking if anyone actually lived here, I guess because I hadn't emptied my mailbox in four months).

stevew said...

Romantic, aka Love Songs.

Simple Twist of Fate

The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face

Without You

Thank You

We close on the new house tomorrow. Will get moved in over the weekend. Really looking forward to it. Seriously going to miss our Ogunquit rental; never expected to become attached to this place, but there we are.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

A police officer was murdered.. Do we know the perps?

No. Why?

JRoberts said...

RE Music:
In college, I loved the band Chicago for their tight brass jazz/rock fusion. But their sappy, slow ballads caused me to be embarrassed to own their albums. However, I think I still have them in crate with all my other 1970’s vinyl.

Original Mike said...

"I wish holdmail could hold for longer than 30 days? 60?"

30 days, which is a problem for us, too. We take 2+ months trips Down Under.

Humperdink said...

LEO = Law Enforcement Officer

farmgirl said...

Since some of the events of today are creeping in- I will just say: Macarthy was
lying through his teeth when he said: anyone saying antifa was involved in the violence
of the 6th was lying through their teeth. I saw video on GP that proves just how much he
lies about us lying.

Also- shooting unarmed women is justified.
Say her name.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

No true Scotsmen would comment on this post. Maybe in the morning.

Doug said...

I woke up this morning, and I forgot the Alamo.

Mark said...

Everything goes on in the same crappy way into the darkness.

The events of the day are met with a collective yawn. Our government proves itself to be a farce.

Yes -- I am beyond disappointed with humanity, the whole of it. Every component of it.

farmgirl said...

I have a my pillow- don’t u need to give it a go in the dryer before using? I tend to move around a lot- good thing my husband sleeps like a (very noisy)rock. I’ve since switched to a firmer contoured pillow- but the my pillow worked well, too. I still use it- it rotates w/me. I’m of an age, I guess.

Inga said...

My best time of day for me are the twilight hours right before sunset, unless one is driving though. Sitting on the deck as the shadows grow longer, the sun dipping lower in the sky on a warm summer evening, ah those are the things I long for on those cold dark sunless winter days.

Songs that depict romantic love as a casual easy going activity?

Hmmm, Crosby Stills Nash and Young, Love the One You’re With
Just kidding!

The most important thing I forgot recently?

I forgot how old my youngest daughter is, in my mind she is still 35, and that was a few years ago.

JRoberts said...

My nephew is a LEO in Indiana. In recent months I’ve found myself quite concerned, and prayerful, for him, his beautiful wife and two young daughters. My wife and I love them dearly.

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farmgirl said...

Me too, Mark.
Calling a Sporting goods shop tomorrow to ask if they have any USA produced pewpews.
My daughter and I each want one. Cutting it thin, possibly- but I think it’ll be fruitful. Good to know I can- chamber around- intentionally spelled, btw

JRoberts said...

BTW, I just realized I’ve not thanked our hostess in a while.

Ann, thanks for your hospitality and long suffering with us goofballs!

I'm Full of Soup said...

Thanks guys for confirming usps is lousy and getting worse. I think most govt workers have take. Advantage of COVID to do even less wrk than usual.

Sally327 said...

Betty White turns 99 years old this weekend. I guess that should make me feel young? She's had a career for my entire life. A good one. I think I like her Sue Ann from the Mary Tyler Moore show the best, followed by Rose on Golden Girls and then her role as Elka on Hot in Cleveland. And all the game shows she did. She was always fun to watch. And I think Alan Ludden must have been her one true love, she never remarried.

She's a big animal welfare person, which I appreciate as well. And perhaps most of all, the way things are these days, I like that I really have no idea what her political views are.

farmgirl said...

I remembered today I’d forgotten our Spook. Mortally maimed by a visitor’s/friend’s dog. Seen by our youngest daughter through her window. I didn’t stand my ground- told them not to bring their dogs... they don’t, anymore. Not that it’s a consolation for the loss of our poor kitty. 3&1/2 yrs and I’d never really gotten angry or sad- today’s events of hateful sacks of .... I remembered and was sad.

Rt41Rebel said...

Today I signed up for a CCW class next week. It's something I've thought about for months, but I just kept putting it off, I don't know why I felt inspired today.

Browndog said...

This warms my heart:

Andrew Kerr
@AndrewKerrNC

One day I will learn how to spell bureaucracy.

But not this day.

Ken B said...

A little research reveals just how awful Cuomo is on covid. Not only did he kill thousands with his nursing home policy but his punitive threats about vaccinations has led, as predicted, to vaccines being dumped in the garbage.

Browndog said...

Blogger Doug said...

I woke up this morning, and I forgot the Alamo.


Tragically underrated comment.

Steven Wright lives...

Inga said...

“The Post Office is falling apart.”

USPS started falling apart in earnest about 6 months ago.

Sally327 said...

I read recently that the Catholic Church is going to allow women to participate in the mass. I'm not Catholic so I have no opinion about the rightness of this but when I read that I wondered if it's a manpower problem because I'm assuming that the Church is having difficulty finding men to serve.

Anyway, I assume that others will take this as some triumph for women's rights but maybe it's really just necessity. Sort of like during World War II having women working in the factories became acceptable because there was no alternative with all the men having marched off to war.

stevew said...

I don't forget things that matter.

Inga said...

As far as package deliveries goes, Amazon’s delivery is best, the tracking feature is a time saver and has been very accurate. I can see where he is on the live tracker and they’re pretty good about following directions. USPS, FED EX and even UPS suck.

Howard said...

Brown Eyed Girl - Van Morrison

Bubble Toes - Jack Johnson

Danny's Song - Loggins and Messina

The Way I Am - Ingrid Michaelson

Shape of You - Ed Sheeran

Moondance - Van Morrison

Wish I knew You - The Revivalists

Inga said...

Another romantic song depicting a casual activity,

Neil Young, Harvest Moon.

Sally327 said...

Ann had a post recently about books that we feel we should read because it's good for us. On a somewhat related topic there are movies that are iconic, which I've never seen. Those include:

1. Any and all Star Wars movies
2. E.T.
3. Monty Python and the Holy Grail
4. Platoon
5. The Princess Bride
6. Citizen Kane
7. Lawrence of Arabia

I think sometimes about committing to watching at least some of these, and I did try to watch Lawrence of Arabia some months back when it showed up on TV but only lasted about 20 minutes.

Inga said...

The Pointer Sisters, Slow Hand

Yancey Ward said...

My favorite time of day is the hour after I get up- that first cup of coffee and catching up on the news of the world is an ingrained habit. For me, that is around 10 a.m. to 11 a.m. I am a night owl by nature, so don't usually get to bed until 1 or 2 in the morning.

Yancey Ward said...

Songs about romantic love made me think of this one. Don't know why- perhaps I am too cynical for my own good.

stevew said...

Excellent list Howard.

Yancey: I usually do the same, but from 5-6 am. 10:30pm is a late bedtime for me.

Mark said...

I read recently that the Catholic Church is going to allow women to participate in the Mass.

Women have "participated" in Mass since forever. As for serving at Mass, women have served as readers of scripture, as cantors and musicians, and for many decades as Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion.

There are a few (FEW) countries in the world where they do not serve as much, but for some reason, Francis is of the erroneous belief that women are basically silenced and suppressed in the Church. But he's confused about a lot of things.

Sally327 said...

Thinking of movies, specifically Lawrence of Arabia which starred Peter O'Toole, I remember one time watching him accept an award, I think it was an honorary Oscar? and he made a point of thanking us Americans for being so generous in allowing someone from another country to come here and have the opportunity to be successful. And I remember thinking well, yes, I guess that's true, we don't have to let someone who's from another country come here and act in movies but he's talented and enjoyable to watch so why wouldn't we? He wasn't saying that as an immigrant or someone who wanted to become an American, he was very British and presumably proud to stay that way but he made the point, you welcome me and you don't have to do that and I thank you for it. I've always remembered that. Even though we're supposed to be writing about what we've forgotten.

I remember reading where J.K. Rowling specified that the majority of the Harry Potter roles had to be filled by British actors and actresses. She must have made millions and millions of dollars off her U.S. sales but apparently didn't feel the need to have American accents tainting her work.

stevew said...

Prince's original is great, but I like Patti Smith's cover best:

When Doves Cry

More sultry, more emotional, more desirous.

Howard said...

Back at you stevew. Really love Roberta Flack.

Temujin said...

"USPS started falling apart in earnest about 6 months ago."

Make that about 40 years ago. You must have missed it. Probably didn't get the letter.

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Howard said...

I've got a youtube playlist of 300 pop tunes from the 1950's to Now. Most love songs are kinda depressing. This was a nice assignment from the professor.

Mark said...

Trivia question:

Who is "Killing Me Softly With His Song" about? Who is the "His"?

You might know the answer after having been told, but no one would ever guess the answer in a million years.

Yancey Ward said...

Sally,

I have seen all of those movies but for the Star Wars movies made in the last 5 years (don't plan to ever watch those). My recommendations in the order that I enjoyed them would be:

1. First Star Wars trilogy and stop there- don't watch the prequels.
2. Princess Bride (a must see movie if there ever was one- a movie impossible to not like)
3. Monty Python and the Holy Grail (also see Life of Brian)
4. Citizen Kane
5. Lawrence of Arabia
6. Platoon
7. E.T.

Now, Platoon doesn't hold up very well on later viewings- I saw it again recently and now don't think so much of it- of his movies, I would suggest Talk Radio as my top recommendation.

Citizen Kane and Lawrence of Arabia are true classic films that any film buff should have seen at least once.

I absolutely detest E.T.. I hate it almost as much as I hate the Star Wars prequels. I like most of Speilberg's films, but not that one- not even a little bit. Try Close Encounters of the Third Kind instead- a truly great film.

Rory said...

"On a somewhat related topic there are movies that are iconic, which I've never seen."

I've never seen Fantasia. My sister's The No. 1 Disney Fan, and considers Fantasia the highest achievement of Western culture. We've had scores of conversations about the film, but I've never told her I haven't seen it, because I know that if I did she'd force me to watch three hours of waltzing elephants, and I can't bear the thought.

Narr said...

Easy going romantic love songs annoy me, so that's a pass.

Never liked Mahler at all, at all--too slow to get going and too repetitious to my ear.

My favorite time of day is notmorning.

Between now and Inauguration Day, I expect ramped-up anti-insurrectionist rhetoric and actions, if only as a distraction from the paucity of info about the Capitol intrusion that has come out-- clearly the situation is too confused and confusing for the bosses to settle on any narrative except incipient White/Right reaction.

And it will probably work.

Narr
I used to know the German word for bassoons but now I've fagotten

Humperdink said...

@Inga "The Pointer Sisters, Slow Hand"

Yep.

Yancey Ward said...

Mark,

I won't spoil it, but I heard that story decades ago. Yes, when you hear it, it does make a kind of sense, but I would never have guessed the answer if asked.

MadTownGuy said...

Balfegor said...

"Re: I'm Full of Soup:

[Has our postal system gone to Soviet quality level? 4 pieces of mail received in the last 3 days were dated two weeks or more ago. Anyone else seen same shitty service?]

...

"Now, though, USPS is totally unreliable. My neighbours were complaining that they're just now receiving priority mail postmarked early December. When tracking mail, you can see it just sits at a local facility for ten days or whatever before it moves anywhere. Apparently in addition to higher volume, they're also shorthanded because their workers keep getting sick.
"

After tracking three packages that left here in south central PA a few days apart for delivery to WI, I started to wonder if there might be a pandemic of the 'blue flu' among the postal workers.

One letter sized parcel languished for two weeks in Lancaster - yes, Lancaster, two counties from here - before being sent to Cicero IL, then Oshkosh, next Wausau, and finally Wisconsin Rapids area. It would have gone faster by horse and buggy from Lancaster.

David53 said...

I watched "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes" last night. I had forgotten how hilarious it is.

Sally327 said...

"I absolutely detest E.T.. I hate it almost as much as I hate the Star Wars prequels. I like most of Speilberg's films, but not that one- not even a little bit. Try Close Encounters of the Third Kind instead- a truly great film."

I have seen Close Encounters. I enjoyed that. And most of the rest of Spielberg's oeuvre at least until recently. Although I haven't seen "Jaws", which I think he directed.

I probably won't see Platoon because I am not an Oliver Stone fan although I did like "Wall Street". I found "Natural Born Killers" to be obscene. It showed an incredibly dark mind IMO. I haven't sought out his movies since.

Yancey Ward said...

Flack does two songs in my personal top 50 "Killing Me Softly" and "First Time Ever I Saw Your Face". Two absolutely equisite songs.

Inga said...

The Air That I Breath, The Hollies

Sally327 said...

"I've never seen Fantasia. My sister's The No. 1 Disney Fan, and considers Fantasia the highest achievement of Western culture."

I didn't include all of the famous animated movies I've never seen because I'm not a fan of that type of movie (I was never into Saturday morning cartoons either). I've never seen The Lion King or Frozen or Toy Story just to name a few.

Inga said...

Faithfully, Journey

Yancey Ward said...

I loved Natural Born Killers- I think it being over the top violent was a main feature of Stone's point, but I didn't recommend it because it is so polarizing. Yes, Wall Street is also very good.

Howard said...

Natural Born Killers was based on a story by Quentin Tarantino

Oliver Stone wrote the 1983 Scarface directed by Brian De Palma

Sally327 said...

"Flack does two songs in my personal top 50 "Killing Me Softly" and "First Time Ever I Saw Your Face". Two absolutely exquisite songs."

I appreciate "Killing me Softly" because that song is an important part of one of my favorite movies, "About a Boy" with Hugh Grant, Toni Collette and Nicholas Hoult.

Alu Toloa said...

"Peaceful Easy Feeling", The Eagles

Yancey Ward said...

I was thinking about Jaws this afternoon when reading the post about songs of the sea. There is a scene in the movie where the characters are singing a couple of them.

I highly recommend the film- it really does hold up well 45 years later.

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Sally327 said...

"I loved Natural Born Killers- I think it being over the top violent was a main feature of Stone's point, but I didn't recommend it because it is so polarizing."

It made me doubt the future of humanity, it just lacked any redeeming qualities IMO, people at their most depraved. Which I can see why that might be appealing from a cinematic standpoint. Just not for me. It's the same reaction I've had to certain TV shows that go really dark. Sons of Anarchy the last season or two, The Walking Dead (although that's bounced back some). I think they call it torture porn?

Yancey Ward said...

"I denounce Air Supply. Air Supply is asshole."

I love "Lost in Love", "All Out of Love", and "Making Love Out of Nothing at All" (written by the guy who also wrote the Meat Loaf album "Bat Out of Hell" and the Bonnie Tyler Song "Total Eclipse of the Heart", which is also in my personal top 50, but I can't remember his name right now- Jim something or other).

iowan2 said...

Time of day? I'm an early riser so morning is quiet and my time, phone, emails etc wont start till 8ish. But my favorite part of the day is situational. Early evening at soybean harvest, fall sunsets can be spectacular, and the rush of the day settles as we just fill trucks and wagons for morning.

n.n said...

Francis is of the erroneous belief that women are basically silenced and suppressed in the Church

It sounds remarkable similar to the American experience. The Constitution does not distinguish between "the People" by sex, other than implicitly in "our Posterity". At least not until the 14th, and then only an affirmative prescription, not affirmative discrimination.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

Humperdink - thanks.

Yancey Ward said...

However, in my defense, I was teenager when Air Supply hit it big. A lot of the music of the early 80s is liked by myself almost without discernment of any kind. I even liked stuff that I hated.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

I like the Bee Gees

Sally327 said...

"Oliver Stone wrote the 1983 Scarface directed by Brian De Palma."

I saw that movie in the theatre when it first came out and on TV in bits and pieces since then. I remember the Mariel boat lift which is not long before that and of course the drug war was ratcheting up at that point with cocaine becoming really popular. I think it holds up okay, especially if you remember what was going on at the time, although Al Pacino was definitely moving into his always on the edge of histrionic overacting type of acting which he has specialized in the last 40 years or so.

I watch Pacino in the Godfather and Godfather II and marvel at how nuanced and understated his performance is in those movies.

There's an ESPN broadcaster who used to exclaim "say hello to my little friend" when reporting on someone's home run, can't remember who it was and I haven't watched ESPN in years now but he used to say it with a Spanish accent like Pacino did in the movie. He'd probably get called out for that now.

The Crack Emcee said...

"What's the most important thing you forgot recently?"

What time it is.

Rory said...

""About a Boy" with Hugh Grant, Toni Collette and Nicholas Hoult."

I love this, too, along with most of Nick Hornby's novels.

narciso said...

No it doesnt it is said it is loosely basexon tabraue a character in tiger king, but not really cuban exiles wouldnt execute a regime figure like rebenga. Murray abraham and loggias accents are terrible worst till rod steiger a decade later.

Yancey Ward said...

I like the Bee Gees, too. The music they wrote for Saturday Night Fever really does stand the test of time, and also their entire canon. Here is a song a lot of people might not be familiar with that the Bee Gees recorded in the 1981 after they were cancelled in the backlash against Disco. It is also one of my favorite songs.

Rt41Rebel said...

"Oliver Stone wrote the 1983 Scarface directed by Brian De Palma."

For the first 6 months of my relocation to FL, I rented a condo at the Mutiny in Coconut Grove, which was apparently the inspiration for the Babylon Club in the movie. There was a lot of folklore that place, and a recent book about the heyday of the hotel on sale at the desk. One of the bartenders told me a tall tale about a recent renovation, which revealed a wall full of cash and cocaine.

narciso said...

Stone has as strong an animas agains latinos as asians, el salvador scarface jfk nixon just some examples.

Balfegor said...

Re: rcocean and Narr:

I like Mahler a lot, but I find that I like individual movements or parts of movements more than the whole. E.g. I like the Andante from his 6th symphony (this is sometimes played as the second and sometimes the third movement), but the rest I find more forgettable. I like his second symphony pretty much all the way through, though, and most of his eighth, bombastic though it may be. Abschied from Das Lied von der Erde is one of the few pieces that has actually brought me to tears at the symphony.

Recently I've been listening to Parsifal. But honestly, because I don't just sit there for four hours to listen straight through but have it on while I'm walking etc., I'm probably not enjoying it as much as I could if I knew it better and could understand Wagnerian singing German. I do like the Act 1 Prelude though. That's actually what motivated me to go ahead and buy a recording (Karajan 1981).

virgil xenophon said...

Yancy Ward@8:30PM/

Platoon Leader is a far superior but little known film on the same subj matter/time frame. Better yet check out an even better and more realistic Viet war flic 84charlie mopic avil on Netflix & You Tube which received rave reviews by Roger Ebert et al.

Mr. Majestyk said...

What is the best article explaining the election law violations and voter fraud in the 2020 election?

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

The Bee Gees have the last laugh. They sound good again. It's their upbeat tempo.
Thanks for that song, Yancey - never heard it before.
PBS has a live show of the Bee Gees (I forget when it was filmed) but wow Bee Gees are mesmerizing live.

The Crack Emcee said...

"This is a Trump-free safe space. Let's talk about safe spaces and other concepts that recently were big but have disappeared."

But Trump IS a safe space.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

I too am a product of the 80's and during those years lived with a walk-man attached to my ears, and piles of home made cassette tapes all over. waxx traxx bin diving for the most obscure stuff I could find. It didn't take long to become a fan of music from the UK.
I didn't care for Journey or mainstream stuff. tho now - I have a new appreciation for Steve Perry's wonderful voice.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Feeling Deplorable tonight.

A little Tyler Childers seems aproprate.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

Trump gives a nice speech on Rumble. go to Rumble.com.

Our corrupt hack press and the Soviet Big Tech won't let him speak.

FullMoon said...

Spectating in divorce court once upon a time.
The wife is there with her lawyer. The Husband, apparently repping himself, is nowhere to be seen.

Judge gives the guy some time, calls a couple other cases.
Finally gets back to the missing husband case. As Judge is giving everything to the woman, clerk's phone rings. Clerk takes call, relays info to Judge.

Husband was in auto, accident, in coma at hospital.
Judge asks lawyer "Did you know?"

Lawyer says, "We knew but we were not aware of the extent of his injuries".

Divorce lawyers, cream of the crop.

The Crack Emcee said...

It looks like Gab is the place to go.

pacwest said...

Vitual reality:
Facebook bought startup Oculus for the insane amount of 2 billion 6 years ago at the start of the present iteration of VR. They presently are providing the best Head Mounted Display on the market (largely due to it not having to be tethered to a PC). It is resonably priced and state of the art for now, but users must have valid Facebook accounts, and if they don't abide by the TOS in any manner they will be unable to use the headset or sell it to anyone else. A lot of people have already found this out the hard way. Point being, they could be selling a lot more of these, but I don't think they really give a shit. Luckily they have close competition from various companies.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

Rumble

FullMoon said...

Does anybody really know what time it is
Does anybody really care?

Sally327 said...

Bruce Willis caused a bit of a stir a couple of days because he was walking around a Rite-aid pharmacy in Los Angeles without a mask. Apparently some other shoppers complained and a manager asked him to mask up but he left the store and has now apologized.

I like Bruce Willis. He got his start in what I thought at the time was a really good TV show "Moonlighting" with Cybil Shepherd". Was a don't miss for me back then. I haven't seen that in years and years, I wonder if it's held up well or not.

After he got super famous he put out a couple of albums. I guess he really likes to sing but I don't think he's that good at it. Like Eddie Murphy, someone else who did something similar once he became powerful and important, also not an especially good singer.

traditionalguy said...

Original Mike said...

I am puzzled by commenters who disparage the commentariat here and then think people will want to banter with them. Rolf isn't the only one.

traditionalguy said...

Always remember that "It's so easy to fall in love...so doggone easy."

virgil xenophon said...

rcocean@6:48PM/

Used to be a radio program on Chicago's WBBM (or was it WLS?) in 50s/early 60s called "Dadyo Daly's Jazz Patio" which I listened to religiously on my old plastic maroon large box Zenith radio (remember the large metallic gold frontal circular tuning ring w. 2 golden spokes protruding from center dial?) Was there I first heard Miles's Gone, Gone, Gone song from his Porgy & Bess Album.KNOCKED.ME.OUT! Later bought that album & his "Kind of Blue" Album--both of which are now regarded as classics. STILL have the treasured vynyl..

The Godfather said...

In 1969 I was in Army Basic Training. I was 26; except for a couple of other Reservists, all the other trainees were 17-20. One Saturday we were cleaning up the barracks, and someone had a radio on that was playing pop music from the mid-50's. The kids had never heard this music before, and they thought it was great. When I told them it was music from MY youth, they didn't believe it. I'm sure there's a lesson in that, but I don't know what it is.

Joe Smith said...

"Neil Young, Harvest Moon."

The entire album is great...one of the most romantic albums ever, not just the title song. 'Unknown Legend' is just as romantic as the title track.

"The Hollies"

The Hollies were incredibly versatile.

'Long cool woman.' 'He ain't heavy.'

The lead singer had the worst hair in the world but he could effing sing.

"I like the Bee Gees"

Talk about versatile. They wrote so many songs that other people sang.

A great example is 'Islands in the Stream' by Dolly Parton and Kenny Rogers.

Dolly and Kenny
https://youtu.be/HQW7I62TNOw

The Brothers Gibb
https://youtu.be/rSy3RbiIn_I

Both are live...Dolly and Kenny makes me smile more as it is better as a male/female duet. And they are having a lot of fun.

When you know they wrote it you can imagine the brothers singing it.

Mr. Forward said...

“What songs can you think of that depict romantic love as a very casual, easy-going activity?“
M-I-C K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E

Sally327 said...

Blue Sky, Allman Brothers

You Make Loving Fun, Fleetwood Mac

Can't take My Eyes off You, Frankie Valli & the 4 Seasons

Sweet Child of Mine, Guns 'n Roses

Then He Kissed Me, the Crystals

Maybe I'm Amazed, Paul McCartney

I got You Babe, Sonny & Cher

Be My Baby, the Ronettes

Ken B said...

Sally
Do watch Kane and Grail. Bride too I guess, but if you’ve seen clips that'll do. The rest you can skip, though Lawrence is interesting overall. I read the Bride book first, and it’s better.

D. said...

Althouse annoys me. Only an idiot goes ice skating past 50. A woman has got to xer limitations.

Ken B said...

A great forgotten movie is Cutter's Way. It is based on the book Cutter & Bone by Thornburg, which is also great.

“ I think they call it torture porn?”
Yes. I hate that stuff. NBK is a shitty film.

Sally327 said...

"A great forgotten movie is Cutter's Way. It is based on the book Cutter & Bone by Thornburg, which is also great."

Never heard of either, thanks for the tip.

FullMoon said...

I am puzzled by commenters who disparage the commentariat here and then think people will want to banter with them. Rolf isn't the only one.

Even better, they sneak back when mods are busy living life and whine like babies about being occasionally deleted.

One of 'em was even kicked off a golf blog for being annoying. Another a billionaire, but so lonely he comes here looking for attention.

Makes me appreciate being loved, respected, and appreciated everywhere I go.

ga6 said...

I have a complete set of the Moonlighting show. It holds up well,of course I am old.

Interesting interview with Willis. How got the Die Hard franchise, thank to Cybil Shepard. She became pregnant during the second season of Moonlighting, a set of twins. She had to stop work for a few months, and the show went into a pause. This allowed Willis to accept the first Die Hard movie without breaking his TV contract.

Churchy LaFemme: said...
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Churchy LaFemme: said...

I have a complete set of the Moonlighting show. It holds up well,of course I am old.

There were some awful fill-in episodes when Willing & Shepard were fighting I think. We got a whole episode of Miss Dipesto and the short guy with the beard, um, Viola.

Flat Tire said...

What's the best book on the French Revolution for a beginner?

Gospace said...

Balfegor said...
Coronavirus!
US is going to require negative coronavirus tests within 72 hours of departure for all incoming international passengers . . . starting in two weeks. I rather wish they'd do it for all domestic flights and intercity rail too.
Rapid tests on check in for hotels would be great too. None of these are perfect, but it's not about setting up a 100% effective screen, just throwing up a couple more 50-60% screens to help reduce risks.


Absolute covidiot! You're the reason we can't have a free country anymore. Which reeducation camp will you be guarding?

Churchy LaFemme: said...

I got an email from my bank explicitly warning me that the USPS was flailing and that I could expect tax notices and so forth to be late.

I've noticed for the last few years that they won't pick up my mail unless they have something to deliver for me. Just drive right by my box with the flag up. I have to take it down to a blue box.

I do think it's kind of weird that they deliver packages on Sunday now and never made a big deal about it though.

Mark said...

Seems like I heard years ago, maybe on Cayce's AT40, that Killing Me Softly was about

Of course, I explicitly said, "You might know the answer after having been told", which meant to NOT be a spoiler by simply repeating it.

Churchy LaFemme: said...

Speaking of classic movies, The Maltese Falcon will be back in theaters two days this month for its 80th anniversary.

FullMoon said...

Waltz Across Texas. Most people like Ozzie Osborn, Marilyn Manson or Cardi B version.
I like the hokey Ernest Tubb version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K16ZNrWRzo0&ab_channel=throwaway111

Churchy LaFemme: said...

Of course, I explicitly said, "You might know the answer after having been told", which meant to NOT be a spoiler by simply repeating it.

D'Oh!

Narr said...

Musical tastes--I don't judge (much), and my aren't sacrosanct.

I generally like Wagner, but Parsifal just doesn't grab me. I've only heard recordings, and have seen a few video excerpts of performances, but can't find the appeal. And sure, Mahler wrote some good things, just not often enough.

My wife and I were in Salzburg when Saturday Night Fever was yuge there-- spring '78. Never saw the movie--I like most of the music, but can't stand Travolta!

Speaking of notmorning, I'm heading towards the sack.

Good night and good Althousing.

Narr
Seventeen! They grow up so fast.

FullMoon said...

Leftist Postal Officials expected a Trump victory. They set in motion conspiracy theories about Trump attacking mail service as an excuse for mail in ballots not being delivered on time. Was all over MSM about sorting machines being scrapped, etc.

Now, they are intentionally slowing mail in an attempt to prove they were correct.

Narr said...

Flat Tire, I wish I had a better suggestion (I don't know how 'beginner' you are for one thing, and I'm really tired) but I liked Simon Schama's "Citizens."

Narr
I'm sure you'll get other good ones

Balfegor said...

Re: Gospace:

Absolute covidiot! You're the reason we can't have a free country anymore. Which reeducation camp will you be guarding?

Nah, guard duty's not for me. Not keen on dealing with the infected down in the pens. I know Miniluv is more prestigious, but I'm hoping for a post with Minitrue instead.

Gospace said...

BidenFamilyTaxPayerFundedCrackPipe said...
A police officer was murdered.. Do we know the perps?

No. Why?


Perhaps because the autopsy didn't say "homicide". The original biased reporting was a cop was beat to death with a fire extinguisher.

And the videos of the "rioters" walking slowly between the velvet ropes are unlike any other riot I've ever seen. No Molotov cocktails (thrown by lawyers as in NYC), no cars being torched, no actual, you know, visible violence. The most peaceful riot in history.

Ken B said...

Flat Tire
Citizens by Schama is the best
Twelve Who Ruled by Palmer

walter said...

"Let's talk about safe spaces and other concepts that recently were big but have disappeared."
?
There are efforts afoot to make every space safe from Deplorables.

Churchy LaFemme: said...

100 Top 10 Hits Written by the Bee Gees

Michael K said...

Citizens by Schama is the best
Twelve Who Ruled by Palmer


Read both. Democrats should read them.

Michael K said...

Blogger Flat Tire said...
What's the best book on the French Revolution for a beginner?



I recommend Sabatini's novel "Scaramouche". It has most of the history right.

Then"Citizens."

narciso said...

The great upheaval summarizes those anecdotes and lines them up with american revolution and the failed russian enlightenment

Chuck said...
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Sally327 said...

I have been trying to think of a Dylan song that fits and only one I can think of is Lay Lady Lay.

There is also the the Beatles From me to You. Maybe some of the other early songs.

Also Cracking Rosie by Neil Diamond






Churchy LaFemme: said...

recommend Sabatini's novel "Scaramouche". It has most of the history right.

But could he do the Fandango?

It's free on Gutenberg

Not sure how accurate it is, but The Scarlet Pimpernel is fun and also free.

mtrobertslaw said...

The most romantic song? That's easy: "Let Me Love You like a Woman"
Lana Del Rey

Michael K said...

The Bee Gees have the last laugh. They sound good again. It's their upbeat tempo.

I used them for part of my movie about the 1981 Transpac Race. It was music popular that summer.

A clip of that movie.

My son, 16 when that was made, is 55 now.

Readering said...

I have Citizens, but it's a doorstop.

I was signed up to take a seminar on the French Revolution with Palmer, but switched to someone else's on the American Revolution instead.

Sally327 said...

Would also mention Two of a Kind by Garth Brooks.

William said...

I'm working my way through the BBC productions of Shakespeare for the second time. I make a miniseries out of each play and watch for about half an hour. I just finished All's Well That Ends Well. It's said to be the least loved of all Shakespeare's comedies, and there has never been a Hollywood production of it. The heroine is feisty enough. She cures the King of his mortal illness and wins the marriage hand of a young noble. There's some great poetry and not too many WTF moments. Still it's seldom performed. The problem is she goes to a lot of trouble to win and woo a guy who's basically a himbo. She's a commoner, and he rejects her outright because of her base origins. The King makes him marry her, but rather than spend one night with her, he goes off to war. The heroine, Helen, feels sorry for putting him in this predicament. She follows him to war and wins him back with a preposterous piece of trickery. He doesn't appear at any point to be smitten with her, but he finally submits to the marriage. His lack of enthusiasm and utter lack of character do not in any way lessen her love for him, so all's well that ends well. Maybe later on he dies in combat or she dies in childbirth, so it's possible that if the marriage is brief enough, it might prove to be a happy union....Elizabethan England isn't Kansas, and it certainly isn't Jane Austen.....Some of Shakespeare's problem plays carry a lot more freight than it first appears. Maybe if the heroine was a bit homely and the hero, such as he is, was a stud muffin, the play would make more sense.

Yancey Ward said...

Thanks, Virgil. I saw Platoon Leader many, many years ago- did like it, but I haven't seen it in well over 30 years- will check it out for rewatch some night- I had to look it up to remind myself of it, but I do remember it now. I will check out the other recommendation, too.

Yancey Ward said...

"He got his start in what I thought at the time was a really good TV show "Moonlighting" with Cybil Shepherd". Was a don't miss for me back then. I haven't seen that in years and years, I wonder if it's held up well or not."

I loved the show, too- also never missed an episode. It is weird- I hadn't thought about the show in well over 20 years, I think, but just this week, I was in the car listening to the 80s channel on Sirius and they were doing the countdown from this week in January 1988 or 1987, I think it was, and one of the songs they played was the theme from "Moonlighting" by Al Jarreau.

FullMoon said...

Sooooo predictable.Sad.

narciso said...

The great upheaval also showed how social.justice warrior all the leaders of the terror.

Sally327 said...

"I loved the show, too- also never missed an episode. It is weird- I hadn't thought about the show in well over 20 years."

Someone up thread mentioned the episodes with Agnes and Viola as not as good but I liked those characters too.

Ken B said...

Readering
Yes, Citizens is pitched a bit above your level.
So's Scaramouche for that matter.

walter said...

Infestations are persistent.

walter said...

So..who's exploring bitcoin or other ways to combat upcoming devaluation?
(of currency, not the Nobel or peach mintz)

Sally327 said...

My favorite piece of classical music is Beethoven's Emperor Concerto. At least for now. I have a performance by Walter Gieseking that I listen to at least once or twice a week, it is from 1944/45 can't remember which with the Berlin Radio Orchestra. There is a point at which you can hear the anti aircraft guns, which is so incredible to me that the Germans were holding concerts while the allies were bombing the crap out of that place.

Kathryn51 said...

Moonlighting was must-see TV for hubby and me, but the episode where they finally have sex was one of the worst ever. Because, that's all it was - just sex.

Remington Steele was much better.

Yancey Ward said...

Churchy LaFemme: said...
100 Top 10 Hits Written by the Bee Gees

Wow! I knew of most of them except for the later covers from after about 1995 or so. "Heartbreaker" by Dionne Warwick was one I didn't know they wrote, but should have- also, there was one song by Olivia Newton John that I didn't know was written by them, but then I don't think I have ever heard the song before.

Ken B said...

Sally
My favourite Beethoven, and has been for decades since I first heard it, is the fourth concerto. I especially like the old Backhaus recording with Schmidt-Esserstadt conducting.
My favorite piece is Sibelius Symphony 7. I especially like the Karajan recording on DG.

Yancey Ward said...

Beethoven's piano concertos in the order that I like them:

1. 5th
2. 4th
3. 3rd
4. 1st
5. 2nd.

I basically only listen to the 3rd, 4th, and 5th these days, though I did hear the 1st just a couple of months ago on Sirius in the car- first time in 25 years, at least.

Churchy LaFemme: said...

Remington Steele was much better.

Remington Steele should have been much better, but it was usually laden with pedestrian writing. I remember watching one episode and thinking, "Wow, this is great! Why can't they all be like this?" -- and when the credits rolled I saw that it was written by Brian Clemens, the guy behind the Steed & Peel "Avengers". They should have bade him show runner!

Sally327 said...

"My favourite Beethoven, and has been for decades since I first heard it, is the fourth concerto."

I have been collecting various performances of the 5th (Emperor), which I am fixated on but some of those include other concertos as well. I have a recording of all the concertos performed by Alfred Brendel which I listen to frequently. Will pay closer attention to the 4th.

Yancey Ward said...

For me, the 4th/5th are interchangeable at the top of my personal rankings- they definitely are a level above the 3rd and a couple of levels above the first two.

Sally327 said...

It is funny how tastes can evolve. I was a huge Bach person in my younger days, specifically the Brandenburg concertos, and while I still listen to them it is not with the same level of adoration. I have become a Beethoven devotee and find Bach slightly not as profound as I once did. Although not as frivolous as I often now find Mozart.

As for Bach I concede that Jesus Joy of Man's Desiring may be the finest piece of music ever written.

Yancey Ward said...

The wonder of Youtube, though, is the ability to listen to any performance of any concerto you want to hear.

Ken B said...

I love Virgil Thomson's Four Saints in Three Acts to distraction. It's not for all tastes. But on the topic of love songs, here is a recording of his Feast of Love. It’s Thomson's own translation of a first century Roman poem. Thomson captures perfectly the detached passion so characteristic of Roman erotic poems. (Pervergilium Veneris is the poem)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVYDeoeTmB0

Yancey Ward said...

Of Mozart's piano concertos, I only really like the 21st, 22nd, and 23rd, but then I am not a particularly big fan of his music. I only really like the 40th and 41st Symphonies (I like both a great deal, though).

Yes, tastes do evolve. Someone above mentioned Mahler- I hated Mahler when I was in my 20s, but now quite like his music and listen to his symphonies on a rotating basis these last few years.

Ken B said...

Look Into My Eyes by Robert Moran. Moran also wrote a wonderful requiem for the 10th anniversary of 9/11, The Trinity Requiem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4YoP6m9eFA

Sally327 said...

"Remington Steele should have been much better, but it was usually laden with pedestrian writing."

I think RS is comparable to Moonlighting in terms of the chemistry between the two leads, Stephanie Zimbalist and Pierce Brosna. Otherwise two very different shows.

Ken B said...

The cure for Mahler is Stravinsky. Take 2 and call me in the morning.

Seriously, all of Mahler in 20 minutes with Agon.

Ken B said...

Gorgeous music by Aussie Graeme Koehne
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fYo1EI2QZY

gadfly said...

@Mark said...
Who killed the unarmed Ashli Babbitt?

Wrong question Mark. According to Wiki, [Qanon conspiracist] Ashli Babbitt was fatally shot by Capitol Police as she attempted to climb through a shattered window in a barricaded door leading into the Speaker's Lobby, which has direct access to the House floor. A law enforcement official told The Washington Post that the police currently believe she had been unarmed, but the officer who fired the fatal shot did not know that at the time, and officers were aware that many of the intruders were carrying concealed weapons.

Yancey Ward said...

I hate Stravinski- always have.

Flat Tire said...

@ Michael K. thanks for recommendations.

Sally327 said...

Places I would like to visit: Malta, Prague, Estonia, the Seychelles, Singapore, New Zealand, Patagonia, Copenhagen.

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