"The court, in a brief unsigned order, said Texas lacked standing to pursue the case, saying it 'has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another state conducts its elections.' The move, coupled with a one-sentence order on Tuesday turning away a similar request from Pennsylvania Republicans, signaled that the court has refused to be drawn into President Trump’s losing campaign to overturn the results of the election last month.
There will continue to be scattered litigation brush fires around the nation from Mr. Trump’s allies, but as a practical matter the Supreme Court’s action puts an end to any prospect that Mr. Trump will win in court what he lost at the polls."
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Here is the order in full:
TEXAS V. PENNSYLVANIA, ET AL.
The State of Texas’s motion for leave to file a bill of
complaint is denied for lack of standing under Article III of the Constitution. Texas has not demonstrated a judicially cognizable interest in the manner in which another State conducts its elections. All other pending motions are dismissed as moot.
Statement of Justice Alito, with whom Justice Thomas joins: In my view, we do not have discretion to deny the filing of a bill of complaint in a case that falls within our original jurisdiction. See Arizona v. California, 589 U. S. ___
(Feb. 24, 2020) (Thomas, J., dissenting). I would therefore grant the motion to file the bill of complaint but would not grant other relief, and I express no view on any other issue.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 264 of 264However, as I recall Trump did originally have several white shoe firms representing him,
Good point. I had forgotten that.
Peeew...that swamp sure smells.
If the United States Postal Service were employed in a manner that violated a state's constitution, or a large number of people (living or dead) voted in more than one state, or illegal ballots were transported across state lines, say hypothetically from NY to PA, who would in fact have "standing" to challenge any of it?
Just this one question. Supposing that our allegations about voter fraud were true, what would be our legitimate recourse? The news seems to suggest that we have none because no one has judged the facts but rather every section of government has simply denied that it was the part of government which would be responsible for righting the wrong, supposing that our facts were correct. The government can impose an outcome but not correct a fraud. Hmm.
"However, as I recall Trump did originally have several white shoe firms representing him, until they (to their everlasting shame) decided to bail because the lefties turned their propaganda and blackmail on them."
Maybe it's because when they looked at the cases, they found there was too little there to warrant going forward. Or maybe he fired them because they wouldn't take his advice on how to proceed. Or maybe he didn't have the money to pay them. Maybe he has bad breath. Who knows? What seems least likely is that they would drop him simply because some mythical lefty unicorns assailed them with propaganda and, uh, blackmail(?).
Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but this is being spun as a 7-2 decision with two conservative dissenters (not including Trump's three; pity!), not the functional 9-0 that it is, whereas Bush v. Gore was spun as a 5-4 decision on partisan lines, not the functional 7-2 that it was. Is there any legal reason for this? Or is it just your normal mainstream media outlets making things look as unfavorable to the Democratic Party as they can?
"Joe Smith said...
Just so the lefties here understand:
It's not about Trump losing...yes, it's a disappointment.
It's about the credible allegations of serious fraud."
Serious fraud? Yet no one can find it or prove it. And you don't complain about the races the Republicans won. You can't hold onto air.
"The last time I saw someone react this way to losing, they were playing Candy Land."
I'm not complaining. I'll be living in Candy Land. And your grandchildren will pay for all of my candy.
A loss for Biden. The SC was his last chance to gain legitimacy. Now he is truly and for the rest of history Illegitimate Joe, with his side-kick, Non-Electable Kamala.
Had Nixon challenged Kennedy election how, what would have been the process?
How and which venue would he establish standing?
Lots of drama queens in here!
To call them excitable would be to libel little girls.
"Everyone here is either absolutely 100% certain it was stolen, or pretending that there is "no credible evidence"."
Only among those posting.
Circle jerk.
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IMO, fraud must be proven -- not by the believable analysis of statistical data, but by individuals who actually participated in the fraud spilling the beans. (In more than one state).
Shipwreckedcrew has the right idea:
Proving "Fraud" in the Fulton County Ballot Counting Room -- A Prosecutor's Perspective
'...Every person who was in the room needs to be interviewed by the FBI, where providing false information is a crime. What instructions were they given? What did they say in response? Who seemed to be in charge? What did that person do? Who did they speak with? Did you overhear what was said? Did anyone tell you later what was said? Etc.
If I’m a Fulton County Democrat partisan and I want to slow down the investigation, I tell everyone involved to get a lawyer and use the need to get a lawyer to delay talking with law enforcement.
Apparently, that is just what Ruby Freeman has now done after she backed out of an agreement to give an interview to a news outlet on Monday. She has reportedly either deleted her Facebook page or set it to private as well.
Among the most “curious” — and maybe incriminating — parts of the video surveillance footage from the Fulton County counting room was that showing Freeman seeming to run the same stack of ballots through a tabulating machine multiple times.'
'...Ruby Freeman running the same stack of ballots over and over is one of those “hard to explain” episodes.
When personal exposure to possible criminal prosecution becomes a potential outcome of “Wheel of Fortune”, someone ALWAYS cracks.'
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The issue of standing is a good one; we shouldn't want the courts interfering in the outcome where injury to the plaintiff is not clear.
SCOTUS has now cleared the decks for a potentially truly interesting spectacle. What happens when, in the next few weeks but prior to January 20th, it becomes painfully obvious that Joe Biden has been compromised by his son's scandal? Who becomes president? And, let's say in June or July next year, evidence of electoral fraud on a significant, not massive, scale is in the public record as conclusive and irrefutable, pointing to the fact that by all rights, Trump really was the winner. What then?
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Doug said...
The deplorables will now become the ungovernables.
12/11/20, 6:15 PM
Might as well join the Brownshirts of the left...Antifa, and BLM. They are ungovernable, and so far have gotten away with a lot more than the bar owner in Staten Island who followed the laws. Time to become as lawless as Democrats. If you can't beat them...join them.
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"It is now the populist Republican's turn on the wheel. Hopefully these populists will return to the place from whence they came and we conservative Republicans can have a voice in a reconstituted No-Trump GOP."
Without Trump voters, the GOP is now dead. WHAT did they do to help Trump?? (or the Republicans for that matter???) I hope the Lincoln project and all the other never trumpers are happy. They can all go to hell. THEY screwed America.
Paul Zrimsek said...
The last time I saw someone react this way to losing, they were playing Candy Land.
12/11/20, 10:18 PM
Were you asleep for the last 4 years???
Lots of huffing and puffing but I expect Republicans and other conservatives will settle down and behave themselves, unlike the Democrats' reaction to Trump's election. It is their nature to do so. I seriously doubt Republicans will act so as to ensure that election shenanigans are not perpetrated in the GA Senate vote. These folks have their principles and fighting dirty, which is how politics work IMO, is not what they do.
On the other hand, the Democrats will do such things over the next four years that will motivate the election of a Republican to POTUS. The only question is whether the Republicans do the things needed to prevent a repeat of the 2020 presidential election. My money is on no.
What seems least likely is that they would drop him simply because some mythical lefty unicorns assailed them with propaganda and, uh, blackmail(?).
Have you been in a coma for the last four years?
"Time to become as lawless as Democrats. If you can't beat them...join them."
-- That is the wrong lesson to take from this... but it seems like the lesson a lot of people WANT to take from this. People who, frankly, wanted to join them but just needed a proper "justification."
If wholesale election fraud is not a justification, what would be?
To answer my own question - the coming inevitable gun grab would be another worthy justification. But if it gets that far, and it starts to happen quietly with no attention from the media, it will already be too late to effectively resist.
And just like that ,trumps plants on SCOTUS have become the DEEP STATE. Alito and Thomas only said that the case should have been heard but would not give and validity to case.9-0 no hitter. The Powell Kracken cases are next for the trash bin, trump now I believe 1 for 58 with Rudy! RUDY? Paxton fighting hard for his pardon and the emails for more $$$ for trumps court cases are out with renewed fervor. The only shot left January 6th where Pence tries to talk the electors into voting for Don the Con instead of Joe with their ballots, as useless as the SCOTUS case. The 126 dissidents in Congress will go down in History books along side Benedict Arnold. Don't forget you can still send your $$ in for Don and his treasure chest for new furnishings at the clubhouse and for Melodys' walk away redone prenup. Not serious people still stuck in delusion about the winner of this blowout election, was not even close. RUDY?? c'mon man.
Gee, Matt. What lesson were we supposed to take from this? Be good sports and better luck next time? There isn't going to be a next time.
I'm with wendybar.
Waiting for President Kamala Harris. It won't be a long wait.
Poor fat dumbass Neil Cavuto needs a hug. He’s triggered by all those deplorables he sees congregating in DC on his screens so he’s asking everyone he has on his show to comfort him and assure him that all of Trumps avenues are closed off. If only we had a vaccine for the Trump virus.
I'm with wendybar.
Hear hear!!!!
We have no use for GOPe types.
Oh my now we talk of over throwing the government because we are mad that the majority of the people voted for Biden? What twisted and undemocratic thinking from the ever more violent right wing.
I hope there are thorough bi-partisan investigations into every allegation of fraud. I would not be surprised to find isolated instances of fraud here and there (perhaps benefitting Biden, perhaps benefitting Trump). That has prob happened with every presidential election from the beginning. So let's look at every allegation in every affidavit and get to the bottom of it if possible.
Of course, if the final report concludes that there is no credible evidence of widespread fraud, Quinn, I assume you will simply dismiss it out of hand.
The notion that I am trying to provoke a civil war and that if it happens it is my fault, is bat shit crazy. You guys constantly talk to each other about going to war if Biden becomes President. You even have used this blog to organize such violence (not you personally Quinn that I recall, but others here). If it happens, all on you. Take some responsibility for YOUR ACTIONS. You are an adult, aren't you?
the majority of the people voted for Biden?
It’s a stolen election. Joe, Kamala, whatever you thought you voted for are illegitimate and corrupted by China and many others. Do try to keep up. This will become an embarrassment for the stooges who selected the senile and corrupt ticket.
And if I mock you for promoting civil war, it is only because that is precisely what you deserve. There is no reasoning with people so far removed from the basic principles and values of our American democratic society.
Downtown DC this evening will likely set the tone if I were to guess. Hopefully it’s peaceful.
I'm in DC right now. Amazing crowds. Incredibly diverse.
Everyone here knows this is a communist takeover.
Steve, of course I'll dismiss any whitewash out of hand. I started saying weeks ago that you've had enough time now to print every ballot in the country with signatures digitally transcribed from the poll books ten times over, more with China's eager help.
You guys had a week or two max to validate the vote. You blew every concern off with snark and insults. WAY too late for anything about this election to ever, ever gain credibility among the tens of thousands of angry people around me right now.
You all done fucked up. Take responsibility for YOUR actions. You have ignored mountains of evidence to justify the most comprehensive voter fraud organization in history perpetrated by an unholy alliance between the Democrats, the CCP and several other foreign enemies. It will not be allowed to stand.
Tens of thousands of people shouting "Stop the Steal!" is a fairly impressive thing.
No justice, no peace.
Be careful out there Qwinn, thanks for giving us a voice. We will all do our part in time.
Thanks 320, appreciated.
Everyone here recognizes this is a fight against total tyranny.
Qwinn, give my regards to Alex Jones and Michael Flynn.
The election MAY have been tilted by outright voting fraud but I think the Court was correct to stay out of the fight. That would have been like opening Pandora's box and messing up all future elections. I don't want the President or any other politician for that matter selected by the court. That's the responsibility of voters.
I think the greatest threat to fair elections is the disgusting bias of mainstream news and Big Tech with the outright censoring of important and newsworthy information.
I do have to say, Steve, considering that you know that I personally as a poll watcher was denied the right to observe the vote, and no one else did for my district either, that I wouldn't dismiss out of hand a whitewash that claimed that *that never happened* is rather absurd.
And that you think there will be no backlash to that kind of rampant gaslighting against a fraud with over a thousand witnesses willing to risk jail to attest to it is, well, let's just say it's a tactical error.
Sad.
Lewis,
It would certainly screw up any future vote that included unlimited mail in ballots with no signature verification or any other integrity measure, accepting votes days after the election, poll watchers excluded, and wholesale rewriting of election rules without authority.
That's a feature, not a bug.
I reject the premise that every election with substantive voters integrity measures would wind up in court. Such a vote could actually be audited properly, and contesting it would be a fruitless expense. THIS election is completely unauditable by design, and needs to be struck down.
Just heard Flynn speak. Quite inspiring. Vernon Jones (D) speaking now.
Blogger steve uhr said...
And if I mock you for promoting civil war, it is only because that is precisely what you deserve. There is no reasoning with people so far removed from the basic principles and values of our American democratic society.
Hilarious. The thief blaming his victim from not protecting his possessions well enough.
I don't think it has to be civil war. The blue states have been complaining for years about supporting red states. Let us go. The USSC decision re-established federalism. No state has the right to compel another state to do things its way, even if it is desirable like not stealing elections.
I hope the red states will start working on the details of separation, like electrical grids. Texas has its own. Maybe AZ with lots of electricity surplus, should be linking to another red state to sell the excess and setting up a grid for red states. The blues can then pass the Green Nude Eel and not have to worry about us as they freeze in the dark.
Inga says AZ elected two Democrats but that is a long way from saying this is a red state. We were flooded with CA money and CA refugees who forgot why they left. The presidential election was another steal.
The Republicans are such comfortable chumps. Tell me this: If we were in a real war, and Republicans were interested in winning a real war, would we know who the enemy's generals are? I know who Mark Elias is, and what his role is. I know who David Brock is, and what his role is. Is that it? Or is it possible there is more to the army?
I know who General Michael Flynn is - and his life is destroyed. I know who Steve Bannon is - and his life is in the process of being destroyed. Paul Manafort; Roger Stone.
Where is the carnage on the Democratic leadership that is responsible for coordinating this successful coup? They don't even appear to be known.
Republicans are chumps. We need new blood, and grown men who are serious about more than their lifestyle.
Oh my North Korea dumped ballots in Maine, and China managed to taint two voting machines in Michigan. I was a poll watcher in Wisconsin and managed to watch the voting process but as Hannah Arndt in "Lying about Politics:Reflections on the :Pentagon Papers "points out: lies are often much more plausible, more appealing
to reason, than reality, since the liar has the great advantage of knowing beforehand what the audience wishes or expects to
hear. He has prepared his story for public consumption with a careful eye to making it credible, whereas reality has the
disconcerting habit of confronting us with the unexpected for which we were not prepared.
steve uhr said...
"And if I mock you for promoting civil war, it is only because that is precisely what you deserve. There is no reasoning with people so far removed from the basic principles and values of our American democratic society."
You might want to read the documents some time. You know. The ones you swore to protect and defend. It doesn't say what you think it does.
Your truly
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No election has ever been as thoroughly examined and reviewed as this one. To me, this is a demonstration of an exceptional performance by state election officials under incredibly difficult circumstances. Yet, no number of court rulings, statements from federal election law authorities or decisions by state election officials from both parties will be sufficient to persuade most of those commenting that the election results reflected the will of those who voted.
When the weight and number of findings from disparate sources so universally support one conclusion, anyone who believes in the rule of law, not to mention majority rule, ought to accept the outcome, even if they disagree with it. That is not what I am reading here. What I see, however, is a number of people who are unwilling to accept the results of both the election process as well as dozens of decisions and findings supporting the election process and the result of that process. This is sad, to be sure, but not entirely unexpected in a divided, mistrustful time.
What is different, however, is that some believe that any result, however valid or validated by our legal system, that conflicts with their preferred outcome necessitates martial law, armed rebellion or some other seditious act. This is not natural, ordinary or inconsequential. It reflects a mindset that says that the candidate and his or her agenda is more important than the law, than elections, than the will of the majority.
To be sure, these folks will turn this on its head but there only one side reflects the unanimous rulings by every single official body or court whose job it is to resolve these kinds of issues. So now, those who were previously regarded as champions by the right - whether the Attorney General, the Republican-nominated Supreme Court justices and any number of other state and federal officials and judges, are now seen as part of the Deep State or whatever cabal the conspiracy theorists have in mind. Really? It’s not possible that your opinion is wrong and everybody whose job it is to decide these things are wrong? So wrong that a violent uprising is required? You have so little faith in the country that you are willing to put to cast aside the government by force and violence?
I’m an old lefty. I despised a lot of election outcomes. I despise all the things done to make voting difficult. But I know when I’m beat, when too many people think the other way. My reaction is that it’s my fault, my responsibility to persuade others to change their minds. I don’t want martial law - ever. I don’t want sedition or secession or civil war. Why do you?
The sedition happened when your side stole the vote, Coast-bound. We've seen the evidence with our own eyes. I was a poll watcher in PA who was lied to and told I had no right to watch the vote. The historical anomalies are far too insane to be plausible - no President since Reagan failed to get all of 19 historical bellwether counties, but Biden won while only winning only one of them? Ridiculous.
The evidence is so clear and overwhelming, the reasons courts are giving for dismissing them so transparently partisan and substanceless, that if you call it an "exceptional performance", if you deny that every single possible voter integrity measure was intentionally dismantled for the mail in vote with no justification or reason, making any kind of an honest "review", "examination" or audit impossible right out of the gate, you are lying and complicit.
And hence, not worth additional conversation. With any of you. You're clearly complicit and intellectually dishonest to the core. As someone else here said, you should spend less time trying to convince us you didn't steal the election, because that is pointless, and more time trying to convince us that you don't deserve severest possible consequences for your complicity
Qwinn - If it's soooooo overwhelming, and so clear, where are ALL of you? Why don't you all go to court yourselves? Why weren't you giving testimony, instead of that stupid blonde woman with Rudy? Jesus Christ. Stand up for your rights, man and stop whining.
Another blank profile leftist troll.
Republicans are chumps. We need new blood, and grown men who are serious about more than their lifestyle.
What do you think Trump is ? It took the most massive election fraud in history to take him down. Don't you think his "lifestyle" was just fine before he started the 2015 campaign?
She lied to you Quinn? What did she say - that you seemed like a normal rational guy?
I’m an old lefty. I despised a lot of election outcomes. I despise all the things done to make voting difficult. But I know when I’m beat, when too many people think the other way. My reaction is that it’s my fault, my responsibility to persuade others to change their minds. I don’t want martial law - ever. I don’t want sedition or secession or civil war. Why do you?
I don't. You lefties are always complaining about how blue states subsidize red states with your taxes. I have a solution. Let us go peacefully. You don't want all us icky deplorables around. You lefties know that electricity comes out of a wall plug and that food appears in plastic wrapped packages in the supermarket. Let us and the energy industry that provides so many good jobs go. You don't want those jobs. You want to ban fracking and pass the Green Nude Eel and, if we are not in your country (or whatever you call it), we have no problem with that.
Paradice, as the Zodiac would put it. Seattle and Portland and Chicago are your model cities. Go for it with our good wishes. But don't come back.
" Let us and the energy industry that provides so many good jobs go. You don't want those jobs."
Joe Biden: "So what if Donald Trump created millions of new jobs? My supporters don't want jobs!"
Oh, they have jobs. In the most comprehensive voter fraud organization in history. That kind of interstate cooperation (4 states stop counting at the same time) doesn't happen without lots of money spread around.
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Welcome to your own weighted/fractional votes, SCOTUS, as your court gets packed.
Now that's..audacious.
Let the 2022 and 2024 stuffing of ballot boxes with mail-in ballots begin!
Only the most corrupted party can now win an election!
Anything less than full corruption of the voting process is useless now for both parties.
What fun it will be watching the eventual mutually assured destruction of the voting process this will cause, with vote tallies 150% of the local population, and ballot harvesting services advertising on TV in the runup to election day.
Perhaps there will be an eventual return to sanity, such as only allowing votes with proof of legitimacy and audit trails, rather than seeing who can produce the most fraudulent votes? Nah, it will better this way!
So now, because of the 9-0 vote(7-2) only because of hearing) to not allow decision on a bogus no standing case from the 126 dissidents and the bogus RUDY crew, trumps bought 3,Gorsuch,Barret and Kavanaugh ,plus the 6-3 right wing SCOTUS is now somehow the deep state is not only brain dead but points from unserious people. Seditionists should be scrutinized and bogus cases should be thrown out. If you go to court and cant prove your case you lose! Whining ,stamping your feet and continuing the nonsense just signals the age old 'sore loser ' syndrome. Tomorrow the next to last step will occur for Joe and Kamala, certification of the electors. On January 6th,even though Pence and the seditionists will try to have electors change their votes is the last nail in trumps soon to be SDNY, Latisha James ,Cy Vance tribunals of which they have been salivating every since they sent Cohen to jail for trumps payoffs. Time to stop nonsense and quit blaming the fraud, the courts, the people, deep state, the music of Marilyn Manson etc for trump being outplayed, outsmarted and shut down by competent lawyers and either the genius from the basement or the senile old man(cant be both pick one not for the spot but for the whole picture) with valid cases that the courts agreed with, right and left judges. Move on ,time for Parler if there is a need to continue the nonsense. Typical sycophant meanderings with evidence and proof they cant get through in the "deep state courts and SCOTUS. C'mon man, use common sense what is it 1 for 58 now ,two 9-0 SCOTUS dealing defeat. Got a case, prove it in court or move on. Got screwed by the courts, its fraud, the guys senile, cant whine your way to victory takes work like 81,000,000 plus and electoral college landslide(ask trump about the landslide numbers in the college)January 6th the Fat lady(and man) sing in a whining singsong. We had kids in the hood that would always want to take their ball home when the got whooped on the courts or the ground, looks like they many get older but still have same show. Goodnite Louise!
As someone who is not a lawyer, all I see is that seven out of nine SC justices didn't want to have to make a hard decision that would anger half the country regardless of how they decided. So they punted.
I understand that political differences aren't for courts to decide, and neither are policy differences. But, if you have laws in place and they are violated and the violation effectively disenfranchises voters, who do you go to in order to get redress?
The reason we have elections and courts and laws is because the alternative is force. What happens when elections are stolen, courts refuse to accept legal attempts to address the theft, and laws are broken without consequence... if you are part of the 'in' group? We know what happens, and it isn't pretty. Don't think it can't happen here. The actions being taken by those who mean to govern by any means necessary are almost ensuring it will happen here. I am truly afraid for my country. Yes, we can withstand four, or eight, years of a Trump or an Obama or a Clinton or a Carter or a Nixon. What we can't withstand is the end of our democratic republic.
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