Althouse: At the Sunrise Cafe

December 29, 2020

At the Sunrise Cafe

... you can talk about whatever you want.

113 comments:

320Busdriver said...: Trump is challenging 50k WI absentee votes at SCOTUS..

Any patriots in that body?

I’m guessing too few.; 12/29/20, 6:03 PM
Browndog said...: I never comment on the sunrise picture.

This one, shows the promise of a sunny day. Few and far between in December. Therefor, I like it.; 12/29/20, 6:05 PM
Readering said...: I counted. 9 patriots.; 12/29/20, 6:09 PM
Ken B said...: Trump lost because despite the Democrats' appalling ineptitude on Covid he never showed real, sustained leadership and competence. Worse he seemed to not take it seriously. In this folly he was egged on by the Covidiot part of his base — like many of the regulars here. But you could also see here people who wanted to support Trump but felt let down by his covid passivity and insouciance.

I know people who were turned off Trump by the Covidiocy of some of his fans.

So the Covidiots here did their bit to elect Biden. I think Michael K probably swayed a few voters away from Trump in his swing state if he is anything like what he is here in real life.; 12/29/20, 6:11 PM
Browndog said...: They're baaaack-

The tik-tok dancing nurses were cancelled after public outcry from families of child cancer patients were not allowed to visit their children in hospitals.

As SoCal goes into indefinite lockdown, We Dance!; 12/29/20, 6:21 PM
narciso said...: but, but they know that would be bad wouldn't it,

https://computingforever.com/2020/12/15/bill-gates-says-lockdowns-to-continue-to-2022/; 12/29/20, 6:27 PM
320Busdriver said...: Blogger Ken B said...
Trump lost because

Except.....he didn’t; 12/29/20, 6:36 PM
Jim at said...: It's too bad certain Canadian assholes never miss the opportunity to keep their mouths shut when they're drinking.; 12/29/20, 6:41 PM
chuck said...: So the Covidiots here did their bit to elect Biden

I think you are confused. The Covidiots were the ones who voted for Biden. The pandemic is waning and they are still terrified and want continuing lock downs and mask wearing, neither of which has been shown to be effective.; 12/29/20, 6:42 PM
Captain BillieBob said...: Is there a poll out somewhere telling us how popular Slow Joe is?

No. Why not?

He should have a 99% approval by now.; 12/29/20, 6:44 PM
Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...: Antifa Is Just An Idea
Voter Fraud Doesn't Exist
Riots Are Fiery, But Mostly Peaceful
Trump Rallies Are Superspreaders, But Not BLM Protests

...and Epstein Killed Himself

BONUS: Compilation of Egregious fraud

*The Evidence Collection*
There is overwhelming evidence of election fraud. Therefore it is the duty of the Executive, Legislative, & Judicial branches to throw out the fraudulent votes & to honor their oath to protect & defend the Constitution of the USA (Source:

https://threader.app/thread/1344009358472957953); 12/29/20, 6:48 PM
Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...: ...sorry-- here's the link

Link; 12/29/20, 6:56 PM
Michael K said...: I think Michael K probably swayed a few voters away from Trump in his swing state if he is anything like what he is here in real life.

Karen B, I'm sorry I hurt your feelins. I just got home after 6 1/2 hours on the road from OC. We listened to Sheryl Atkinson's new book, "Slanted." Highly recommended, but not for Karen B.; 12/29/20, 7:03 PM
Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...: Wealthy hospitals rake in U.S. disaster aid for COVID-19 costs

(Reuters) - After collecting billions of dollars in U.S. coronavirus aid, many of the nation’s wealthiest nonprofit hospitals are now tapping into disaster relief funds that critics say they don’t need.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-hospitals-aid-insi-idUSKBN29310X

Dr. Wang-- have you been a bad boy?

Cleveland Clinic doctor accused of taking research** to China while accepting funds from U.S. taxpayers
Inside the FBI probe of China and U.S. research

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/investigations/cleveland-clinic-doctor-accused-of-taking-research-to-china-while-accepting-funds-from-u-s-taxpayers

**American's genetic material; 12/29/20, 7:04 PM
320Busdriver said...: Democrats are cheating in GA right now.

I know.. shocking isn’t it.; 12/29/20, 7:05 PM
DINKY DAU 45 said...: 59 courts with Republican and Democrat judges,Bill Barr, the FBI, Mitch McConnell all the world leaders said TRUMP LOST and not even close stop the fusion, you lost in court and could prove nothing.Pence will do nothing but cou t the certified state votes. Mo Brooks and Tommy Tuberville will be as fools and only prolong yhe eventsomething that has been a formality for decades.The Wild times trump wants is just bluster like his vetoing the Om ibus trump always folds, 23 more days of this nonsense and trump joins that very small elite group of 1 term presidents that could t getv reelected.Like Tim from Vermont that had all these grandiose conspiracies that 59 courts threw out and disappeared with Tim.Move on, trump has been MIA since the election being paid to golf while Rome burns.The end is near for this last group and it cant come soon enough.Talk about a real DINKY DAU group..; 12/29/20, 7:06 PM
mockturtle said...: My daughter emailed me a Zillow web page featuring our old Seattle home, which we bought in the 1970's for about $56K. It's now valued at over $1M. My sister's old house in Bellevue is now worth almost $2M!!! No wonder it's Californians who are buying up the WA real estate. They are the only ones who can afford it.; 12/29/20, 7:07 PM
J. Farmer said...: @Ken B:

Trump lost because despite the Democrats' appalling ineptitude on Covid he never showed real, sustained leadership and competence.

I think this is a completely accurate and concise assessment. I think Covid was to Trump as Hurricane Katrina was to Bush. In reflecting on Katrina in his memoir Decision Points, Bush wrote: "Landing in Baton Rouge would not have saved any lives. Its benefit would have been good public relations. But public relations matter when you are president, particularly when people are hurting."

I think that's 100% correct. A pet cause of mine that never gets any attraction is the mistake of making the president both head of state and head of government. A head of state should, as much as possible, stand outside and above politics. This is not possible for a head of government. It's a divisive job by its very definition. A head of state should command the respect and legitimacy of at least a supermajority of the population. The only person I can think of in contemporary America who has that kind of popular support is Tom Hanks.; 12/29/20, 7:10 PM
Ignorance is Bliss said...: Readering-

Would you mind deleting your comment in the previous cafe that includes my wife's name? I know it can be found by following the link I provided, but I would prefer if searching on her name did ot bring anyone to the althouse comment section.

Thanks!; 12/29/20, 7:12 PM
tim maguire said...: Readering said...I counted. 9 patriots.

We'll know if they agree to take the case (regardless of how they eventually decide it) or if they use a technicality to avoid addressing the issues raised and once again leaving the American people twisting in the wind.; 12/29/20, 7:17 PM
320Busdriver said...: How would Trump, or anyone , know that the governments pandemic expert, sir lord faucet, would be a complete bonehead and unable to provide adequate counsel. Fauci did more damage than good. Less than worthless..; 12/29/20, 7:22 PM
Michael K said...: Trump lost because despite the Democrats' appalling ineptitude on Covid he never showed real, sustained leadership and competence.

I think this is a completely accurate and concise assessment.

You should read Atkinson's book, Farmer. The section we were listening to as we drove up to our house in Tucson was about how a hit job article in the NY Times in March 2020, accused her and four others of being "covid deniers." She had written an article noting that at that early stage, all the deaths had been either in nursing homes or elderly. The Times had reported the same numbers which were from the CDC but accused her of trying to "minimize the risk" to the general population.

If Trump made a mistake, and it may have been one, it was to rely on bureaucrats like Fauci. He did take the testing away from CDC but he should have relied on more experienced epidemiologists who were actually caring for patients. It would have required ID specialists since virtually all epidemiologists are bureaucrats.; 12/29/20, 7:25 PM
Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...: Again, President-Ersatz Joe Biden refers to Kamala as

"President-elect", while citing her vaccination

...which she vowed not to get if Trump had anything to do with it.; 12/29/20, 7:32 PM
John henry said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 12/29/20, 7:43 PM
J. Farmer said...: @Michael K:

I have never denied the existence of Trump Derangement Syndrome, which I think is a very real phenomenon, and I have always said that the media's reaction to Trump is wildly over-the-top and wrongheaded. I know many Trump supporters who share those opinions and who were nonetheless totally turned off by his performance during the daily press conferences. I remember my father, a Trump voter and moderate supporter, watching them daily and then immediately calling me afterwards to discuss it.

At press conference on February 27th, Azar says, "At the same time, what every one of our experts and leaders have been saying for more than a month now remains true: The degree of risk has the potential to change quickly, and we can expect to see more cases in the United States." Anne Schuchat from the CDC said: "Our aggressive containment strategy here in the United States has been working and is responsible for the low levels of cases that we have so far. However, we do expect more cases, and this is a good time to prepare." And then during Q&A Trump said, "I think every aspect of our society should be prepared. I don’t think it’s going to come to that, especially with the fact that we’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up." And later said, "And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done."

This was the same day that the 15th case confirmed the likelihood of community transmission.; 12/29/20, 7:44 PM
John henry said...: John henry said...

Rtands is a railroad trade mag. In Washington state since January there have been 46 instances where shunts have been used to attempt derailment.

Last week an oil tanker train was derailed, apparently on purpose.

It does not take much to derail a train. It can be done pretty much anywhere.

Taking the bolts out of a rail splice plate or loosening spikes on a couple of ties works pretty well too.

A few hundred people could wreak havoc on rail transport.

So who is doing this? Diehard trumpistas or antifa types.

https://www.rtands.com/rail-news/group-using-shunts-in-an-attempt-to-disrupt-derail-trains-in-state-of-washington/

John Henry; 12/29/20, 7:47 PM
Michael K said...: You really should read her book. It is not about Trump but the Media in which she worked for 30 years.

Do you think Trump was making up the things he said in those press conferences? I agree they were too long.; 12/29/20, 7:48 PM
Lawrence Person said...: Thomas Sowell on white liberals.; 12/29/20, 7:48 PM
DavidUW said...: We (Californians) are moving to Washington, Nevada, Texas for the no taxes. Also to Idaho, colorado, Oregon for trust fund babies who don’t technically have income to tax.

Tax residence is Florida (Miami). Easier connections to Puerto Rico; 12/29/20, 7:49 PM
Lucien said...: I must count as a curmudgeon now, but stories about federal budget or financial issues that include stock footage of hundred dollar bills being physically printed make me wanna barf. About as bad as calling an earthquake a “temblor”, or describing the scene of an random natural disaster as “looking like a war zone”.; 12/29/20, 7:51 PM
Michael K said...: Blogger mockturtle said...
My daughter emailed me a Zillow web page featuring our old Seattle home, which we bought in the 1970's for about $56K.

My South Pasadena home, which I bought in 1969 for $35k, was listed on Zillow for $1.4 mill. !500 sqft and on a 50x100 foot lot.; 12/29/20, 7:52 PM
Sprezzatura said...: “If Trump made a mistake, and it may have been one, it was to rely on bureaucrats like Fauci. He did take the testing away from CDC but he should have relied on more experienced epidemiologists who were actually caring for patients. It would have required ID specialists since virtually all epidemiologists are bureaucrats.”

Not enough Scott Atlas and Zelenko was the problem.

Doc Mike is the best.; 12/29/20, 7:53 PM
Sprezzatura said...: “Blogger mockturtle said...
My daughter emailed me a Zillow web page featuring our old Seattle home, which we bought in the 1970's for about $56K.

My South Pasadena home, which I bought in 1969 for $35k, was listed on Zillow for $1.4 mill. !500 sqft and on a 50x100 foot lot.”

Doc M,

Mock has, in the past, stated that she was in Federal Way. Which is a shitty place outside of Seattle. Sure, there are some nice places there, inc. But, location, location, location.

A million dollars in the nice parts of Seattle would not even buy the dirt. Facts.; 12/29/20, 7:56 PM
Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...: More than 1.5 billion face masks will pollute oceans this year, report says https://trib.al/1Pmi6uh

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqXrqOgXcAMMB6f?format=jpg&name=small

...maybe we should just breathe thru 2 plastic straws?; 12/29/20, 7:57 PM
stevew said...: The rising sun has begun to move northerly. The day here is now a bit more, rather than less, than 9 hours. The worst of winter is yet to come but I welcome the cold and the snow.

I'm just a citizen, not a lawyer or a politician, and have to say I see no path to victory for a second term, this time, for DJT. He is prepping for a 2024 run, and setting the stage for how it can happen. I would not be shocked if he runs as a Democrat given the craven abandonment he has suffered from the Republicans and their party.; 12/29/20, 7:58 PM
Michael K said...: I know Federal Way, not as well as the Green River Killer, but enough. I had 10 acres on Vashon Island for 20 years to build a retirement home but finally decided to sell. A couple of years ago, I was in Seattle on business and looked up Vashon real estate. The first listing was something like $200 million. It was an estate but a shock when I looked.; 12/29/20, 8:01 PM
Sprezzatura said...: BTW, when I ‘mention “nice places,” I’m not talking about fancy areas. Just not the ghetto areas.

My basic-Seattle-house is near Green Lake where really small houses on very small lots will cost well over a million. And some of those are bought and torn down to rebuild, hence my estimation re the cost of dirt. My swanky-Seattle-house is in another world.; 12/29/20, 8:01 PM
stevew said...: @Ingachuck... 7:57 PM: I walk along the shore here in Maine very day, and every day there is some number of masks littered on the ground. Some days it is one, others it is four or more. I pick them up and throw them in a trash receptacle. This means I usually have to carry them for a while. I don't wear a mask on these jaunts and so get funny looks from the folks coming the other way when they see me with no mask on my face but one or more held in my hand. :-); 12/29/20, 8:02 PM
Sprezzatura said...: Doc Mike,

I remember your Vashon lot that you’ve mentioned before. And, I’ll repeat what I’ve mentioned back, Bainbridge is the better place. And not just because you can get off of it w/o a boat. That’s where I keep a place, so you can be my island-mate!; 12/29/20, 8:05 PM
Mark said...: Trump lost because . . .

No, Canadian. Trump lost because, let's face it everyone, the American people are no longer what they once were. He lost because Americans long ago voted for societal, cultural, national suicide. Because the American people are stupid, self-righteous, relativists who long ago were no longer to be trusted.

Yes, there was substantial and overwhelming election fraud. And there was also a majority of people who, minus that fraud, voted to fuck the country (and themselves) by a majority vote for the idiot, demented, obnoxious buffoon Joe Biden.; 12/29/20, 8:09 PM
Breezy said...: Trump asserted act to organize and manufacture all the PPE, ventilators, etc for COVID care. He did away w useless regs to get the vaccines created in record time. He implored governors to not let the cure be worse than the disease. He signed PPP/CARES act into law. He deployed the two medical care ships to NY and LA at govs request. But yeah, he’s the one that displayed no sympathy or care about Americans going through COVID pandemic. Don’t forget the Obama Biden admin left our supplies at low tide after H1N1. Had to first make up for that huge deficit. How Biden got away w his COVID schtick is mind boggling. Actually, I know how.; 12/29/20, 8:10 PM
Mark said...: Anyone who voted against Trump for personal reasons, because he offended their delicate sensibilities, is a fucking child who refused to grow the hell up. Congratulations you anti-Trumpers. Like the Soviet submarine firing its torpedo in Red October, you've killed us you arrogant asses.; 12/29/20, 8:11 PM
Browndog said...: Trump could have done everything "right", got 100 million votes, and still would have lost.

Lost by 50 million votes, just to prove the point.

not sure why people aren't getting it. They put it in your face every day.; 12/29/20, 8:14 PM
Todd Roberson said...: I bought my first house in Denver in 1993 for $66k. 800 sq ft 1 bathroom.

Sold it in 1997 for $125k. The buyer tore the house down and had a lot line to lot line McMansion built.

For sale this year for $1.6 million.; 12/29/20, 8:15 PM
Mark said...: Part of the prove that most Americans today are brain-dead idiots incapable of taking care of their best interests, or of the common good, is the fact that so many would actually pay so much insane money to buy or rent their homes.; 12/29/20, 8:20 PM
320Busdriver said...: because he offended their delicate sensibilities,

There are soooo many of people in this category. So many of them are people I know who are seemingly sensible, or were so at one time. But Trump causes them to lose their shit. For brains.; 12/29/20, 8:21 PM
walter said...: Yes Ken B.
If only he had delivered re vaccines before the election....; 12/29/20, 8:23 PM
320Busdriver said...: Well astronauts at AA managed to fly flight 718 today without crashing into the sea.

Must have been fun working the gate area before the flight.. “yeah we know it’s 2020, but trust us, we got this”; 12/29/20, 8:25 PM
narciso said...: https://fee.org/articles/new-expos%C3%A9-shows-uk-s-covid-response-was-rife-with-corruption-and-cronyism/; 12/29/20, 8:26 PM
Mark said...: Yeah, Trump acts like an ass.

So what? Grow the hell up.

Priorities.; 12/29/20, 8:26 PM
Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...: @stevew
lol-- show them the groady masks and tell them they end up like that after an hour with the viral load you have.

...that should keep 'em away!

ps-- how's the new digs coming? Any space left for a little wood-working?; 12/29/20, 8:27 PM
madAsHell said...: The first listing was something like $200 million. It was an estate but a shock when I looked.

I'm guessing that was the Misty Isle Estate (aka Wax Orchard, the airport). Top of the island....not beach front, and the old Nike missile base is nearby.

Tom Stewart was the CEO of Volume Services of America. He was semi-despised on Vashon because his property included an airport, and he would fly a helicopter into Seattle. He was also a major contributor to the GOP.

Every 4th of July he would pay penance by floating a barge into Quartermaster Harbor, and launching a 30-minute fireworks display.

His entire second family died in an Arizona helicopter crash. It seems that he was flying in the right hand seat with his 4-year-old daughter in his lap. It's thought that his daughter managed to kick the control stick, and flex the aircraft so violently that the rotors conflicted. Subsequently, the aircraft fell rock from a couple of thousand feet.

It's amazing how petty some people can become when a GOP icon falls. The Estate is somehow tied in with the Volume Services business, and I'm sure that makes the sale more difficult, but you can't believe the pettiness every time the newspaper announces that another real estate deal for the property has fallen through.; 12/29/20, 8:34 PM
madAsHell said...: My family has significant real estate on Vashon, and you DO NOT WANT to be at the mercy of the Washington State Ferry System.

I'm pleased to say that my name is not on ANY of those titles.; 12/29/20, 8:38 PM
Michael K said...: Bainbridge is the better place. And not just because you can get off of it w/o a boat. That’s where I keep a place, so you can be my island-mate!

The problem with Bainbridge is the bridge. Not just the ferries but the through traffic. When I still owned my property, which was on the smaller island, Maury, there was a proposal to build a bridge. It would go from Tacoma to Vashon to the peninsula. It would have been a bit like the bridge to Mercer. They held a public meeting at the high school. 10,000 people showed up ! The vote was about 98% NO !

Vashon used to have a walkon ferry to downtown Seattle. You could park your car at the terminal, go to the city, have dinner and take the ferry back. When I was there a couple of years ago, that walk on ferry was gone. Who would want to go to Seattle now anyway ?; 12/29/20, 8:40 PM
Sprezzatura said...: Trump is a con man who has tricked many of you.

He’s not as amazing as you think he is. It’s likely that you will eventually see that. Already, comments here are becoming more hedged re jabbering about how great DJT is. Some of you are glimpsing new (to you) discrepancies re the pro DJT BS talking points.; 12/29/20, 8:42 PM
Michael K said...: you DO NOT WANT to be at the mercy of the Washington State Ferry System.

I remember a storm that caused the Vashon ferry to heave to all night. The commuters were up all night.

I did not have waterfront as those were all a half mile long and 100 feet wide. My 10 acres were square with a view of West Seattle. I eventually sold the two lots to people who built homes on them. One was a guy who worked for K2 skis when they located there.; 12/29/20, 8:45 PM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: oh please.

Trump never got a moments peace from our corrupt asshole leftwing press.

How could anyone succeed under the tyranny of the corrupt American press?
It's a wonder he achieved what he did.

Biden will be treated to tongue bath, protection, corruption excusing, dick likkking, and adulation... over his wonderful trupanzurine. Dog faced pony soldiers. You're not getting the Billion dollars. Well son of a bitch.; 12/29/20, 8:46 PM
narciso said...: The most recent of the jack carr series savage son has a misleading title, if refers to a sociopathic fsb bureaucrat whi is the son of a bratva head of the st petersburg mob who is conducting a human hunt in northern russia while pursuing the hero james reece; 12/29/20, 8:49 PM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: hahaha yippee

Instead of attending sardine covid theater in person, I am queuing up the annual Banff Mountain Film Festival and all it's real life 007 and hair raising exhilarations.

28 bucks for the bundle... and 14 days to watch.

winter bliss.....; 12/29/20, 8:49 PM
Sprezzatura said...: “Not just the ferries but the through traffic”

Bainbridge is huge. The through traffic is isolated from the real activity of the island. Not that I’d want to so far out on the island such that I have a view of Bremerton. Still, it’s easy to exist on the island w/o messing w/ the through traffic. But, the bridge does get you to the Silverdale Costco, and the recently developed and older shopping stuff in Poulsbo.

And, I like the bridge because I keep places in Kitsap (Poulsbo) and Jefferson (one in Port Townsend and one near Forks), so it’s easy to bounce around different community lifestyles w/o flying. I love driving. Especially when I find fun and safe (except for the idiot animals (not just deer, I’ve had three bears and one cougar jump out) roads.

IMHO.; 12/29/20, 8:55 PM
walter said...: Sprezzatura,
It's always relative to the alternatives.
In this case, Chyna Joementia.
Nice!
I wish him success in his desired Senate seat, under president Harris.
It should please "president my boss".; 12/29/20, 8:56 PM
stevew said...: @Ingachuck... the new digs are coming along nicely, some delays due to interruptions in the material supply chain and reduced staffing at the countertop fabricator. We expect to be in by the end of January 2021. And there is ample space in the cellar for my shop! I miss that activity most.; 12/29/20, 9:01 PM
Ken B said...: Overheard at the DNC:
“It's amusing how many are on our side.”
“Who?”
“Althouse regulars.”
“But they hate us!”
“That's why it’s amusing.”; 12/29/20, 9:08 PM
chuck said...: @Sprezzatura

If you know what cards the other players hold, it would be wise to keep quiet and play your hand.; 12/29/20, 9:12 PM
Michael K said...: Some of you are glimpsing new (to you) discrepancies re the pro DJT BS talking points.

I think you misunderstand. Lots of us know the election was stolen and that we may have to face a civil war in the future. I don't know what will happen. Trump will go on and I wonder what he will do. The faceless barons that run Biden may choose peace and tranquility which is fine with me. That does not reduce my certainty that the election was stolen. If they leave me alone, I will live quietly. I have serious questions whether Bill Gates and Eric Schmidt and the rest can control the crazies.; 12/29/20, 9:13 PM
narciso said...: I dont think they do, they are like john daggett to bane, providing money and cover.; 12/29/20, 9:16 PM
madAsHell said...: the pro DJT BS talking points.

The ammo shelves at every sporting goods store in western Washington are empty.

Those are not DJT BS talking points. This is going to boil over.; 12/29/20, 9:20 PM
I Have Misplaced My Pants said...: Fun to read you guys talking about Vashon and Bainbridge. I was born in Tacoma and mostly grew up in Kitsap County. When I was a teenager, we kids would walk onto the Bremerton ferry, or drive up to Winslow, nearly every weekend to go find fun in Seattle. Didn't realize how lucky we were to live in such a magical place until we all grew up and moved away. My husband and I got married on Vashon and my parents still live in the area. It'll always be home but sadly we can't even visit these days, let alone consider moving back there.

My grandparents' house was very near Green Lake; they lived in it for fifty years and it was sold when they died in the late nineties. Grandfather was a longshoreman who had a degree in civil engineering from UW. The money was better on the docks, but he was a bright and educated guy. My aunts and uncles are kicking themselves for not hanging onto the house. They'd have a tidy little profit instead of the pittance they split back then.; 12/29/20, 9:21 PM
narciso said...: The title character arramgex hos fathers rose by arresting the top level of the tabov mob, some of whom were ensconcex in spain; 12/29/20, 9:28 PM
narciso said...: His fathers rise,; 12/29/20, 9:34 PM
mockturtle said...: Mock has, in the past, stated that she was in Federal Way. Which is a shitty place outside of Seattle. Sure, there are some nice places there, inc. But, location, location, location.

Never lived in Federal Way. We lived in Normandy Park, you know, on Puget Sound. Seattle address. Prior to that we lived in West Seattle.; 12/29/20, 9:40 PM
mockturtle said...: Sprezzula or whatever his name is sounds suspiciously like anti-de-sitter-space, one of several whose posts I pass by. And I'll do that with his new moniker as well.; 12/29/20, 9:45 PM
320Busdriver said...: See the surge on top of the surge from all that Thanksgiving fraternizing.

https://projects.jsonline.com/topics/coronavirus/tracking/covid-19-cases-testing-and-deaths-in-wisconsin.html?utm_source=jsonline-Coronavirus%20Watch&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=baseline_greeting&utm_term=newsletter_greeting

Bunch of BS; 12/29/20, 9:47 PM
mockturtle said...: Perhaps Spazzeroni recalled that I worked in Federal Way, at Weyerhaeuser R&D.; 12/29/20, 9:48 PM
Birkel said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 12/29/20, 9:49 PM
Lucien said...: Michael K, et al., WSF has no mercy. It was a major reason why we moved this year from the San Juans (Lopez Island) to Kentucky. No ferries, and also a partially free state. Somehow COVID and CHAZ/CHOP combined to goose real estate prices in the islands, to our delight when we sold.; 12/29/20, 9:51 PM
William said...: I don't know what exactly would constitute the optimum response to the virus. I have that in common with the media, President Trump, and Dr. Fauci. I think we were all just winging it especially in the early stages, and there's still a great deal we don't understand. That said, the media knew with absolute certainty and with moral clarity that Trump was wrong, wrong, wrong in his person, in his policies, in golf game, in his morals, in his hair style... All this negative coverage had a great deal to do with his defeat. You don't have to be right to be convincing. In the end, the media were better salesmen than Trump.....I live on the upper east side of Manhattan. It's a pleasant enough place to live. People used to like to live here for the restaurants, the museums, the shows. the parks. The parks are still available but all the glamour is dimming or extinguished. Real estate values are declining and, given another mayor like DeBlasio, may finally topple. I wonder how long it took for Detroit to finally go belly up. Was it like divorce gradually then suddenly?.....I understand that through all those years of decline Mayor Coleman Young never received any negative media coverage. He was kind of the reverse of President Trump....Coleman Young must have done something wrong and President Trump must have done something right, but such stories go untold.; 12/29/20, 9:56 PM
walter said...: mock,
I suspect you are right re Spazz, considering use of "jabbering".
Anywho...; 12/29/20, 9:56 PM
steve uhr said...: Packers last week had zero penalties and zero punts. Never happened before.; 12/29/20, 10:00 PM
Readering said...: Done. The reach of google.; 12/29/20, 10:08 PM
Sprezzatura said...: “..............I have serious questions whether Bill Gates and Eric Schmidt and the rest can control the crazies.”

It’s comforting to know that you’re on the lookout for loons who are into film flam conspiracy stuff.

Thank you for your service.; 12/29/20, 10:14 PM
Readering said...: Stolen election tropes getting increasingly rancid.; 12/29/20, 10:17 PM
narciso said...: Coleman stole everything that wasmt nailed down in detroit.; 12/29/20, 10:17 PM
Sprezzatura said...: Yes Mock,

I do remember that.

They had that cool building out there. (Although I think you said you were not in that particular building). Anywho, they moved into downtown Seattle instead of having that cool building surrounded by nature and lawn.

They said that they needed to make that move so they could attract top talent re new hiring younger people.; 12/29/20, 10:18 PM
Sprezzatura said...: BTW, I’m not hiding.

I’ve probably had more than a dozen names here. If you click on the name, it always goes back to April of 2008.; 12/29/20, 10:20 PM
walter said...: "I’ve probably had more than a dozen names here."
Creative!; 12/29/20, 10:27 PM
Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...: the Times-- they aren't a-changing:

NYT Promotes a Pro-LGBT Handel's 'Messiah,' with Jesus as a Muslim Woman

https://www.christianheadlines.com/contributors/michael-foust/nyt-promotes-a-pro-lgbt-handels-messiah-with-jesus-as-a-muslim-woman.html

...or maybe they are (inadvertently):

Five Times this Year the New York Times Accidentally Told the Truth

https://www.thedailyfodder.com/2020/12/five-times-this-year-new-york-times.html; 12/29/20, 10:29 PM
Bruce Hayden said...: “Wealthy hospitals rake in U.S. disaster aid for COVID-19 costs”

“(Reuters) - After collecting billions of dollars in U.S. coronavirus aid, many of the nation’s wealthiest nonprofit hospitals are now tapping into disaster relief funds that critics say they don’t need.”

We live maybe 1 mile east of the Mayo Clinic in PHX, with essentially nothing except desert between. They now have four cranes operating there. The big ones that they use to build bigger buildings. Probably more than anywhere else in PHX right now. All fairly newly arrived. It was pretty at Christmas time - two were outlined in red and green lights. The other two just had the usual red lights for aircraft. A medical office building is going up quickly between us.; 12/29/20, 10:29 PM
walter said...: Bruce,
The crane operators should wear Santa outfits.
Ho Ho Hoe!; 12/29/20, 10:32 PM
madAsHell said...: One was a guy who worked for K2 skis when they located there.

You could buy some really nice skis that were blemished at the factory when I was a kid. In fact, going to to the factory to buy the blemishes was a pilgrimage for most of my buddies.

All the kewl kids had K2s!!

Today, K2 is just a sorry Chinese brand name. The old factory is still there in the middle of Vashon Island trying to find a new purpose.

Here's a recollection......
I graduated in Mech. Eng. at the UW (not the same UW as our hostess). K2 would troll the engineering placement center with recruiters.

They were allegedly looking for ME's to test, and evaluate their skis. Later on, I learned that whereas I could carve turns in the mogul field, and express my self meaningfully, I still didn't have the right curves!?!!; 12/29/20, 10:36 PM
Rusty said...: Blogger Readering said...
"Stolen election tropes getting increasingly rancid."
Quit stealing elections and then you won't have to listen to it.; 12/29/20, 10:48 PM
madAsHell said...: OK...I am NOT a fan of Washington State Ferries, but it is a huge impediment to the homeless living under I-5 from moving to Vashon. Don't tell Jay Inslee.

So, in some sense they do protect property values for a bunch of Subaru driving sandal-n-sock shuffling white people.

Guys with beards to cover their double chin.; 12/29/20, 10:53 PM
madAsHell said...: "Stolen election tropes getting increasingly rancid."

So is the empty ammo shelf at the sporting goods store!

The hand guns, and rifles are gone as well.

You figure it out, bitch!!; 12/29/20, 10:56 PM
Ken B said...: The election wasnt stolen because it didn’t need to be. Trump messed up covid, and much of America decided rioting was okay.; 12/29/20, 10:56 PM
Big Mike said...: Trump is a con man who has tricked many of you.

He’s not as amazing as you think he is.

He isn’t amazing, but the economy he built by 2019 certainly was. Let me know when Biden-Harris does as well.; 12/29/20, 10:58 PM
Sprezzatura said...: Big Mike,

Ha ha. The government does build jobs when it borrows from the future to throw a trillion dollars a year into annual growth. Presumably you don’t think you’ve been tricked as you support Keynesian economy boosting and the head of government being the king re responsibility re building the economy. That’s standard conservative thinking. No tricking you.

I’m sure Biden can satisfy your desire to further liquidate the future of America so we can spike numbers today. AOC is with you and Biden too.; 12/29/20, 11:12 PM
Mike of Snoqualmie said...: Blogger mockturtle said...
My daughter emailed me a Zillow web page featuring our old Seattle home, which we bought in the 1970's for about $56K.

There was a wreck of a house in West Seattle that sold for about $400K to $450K about 3 years ago. This house was small and so filthy that buyers could not go inside to look at. Mold was everywhere.

We bought our Bellevue house in 1990 for $180K and sold it last year for $765K. Our new construction house outside of Snoqualmie on 6.5-acres will be worth about $1MM.; 12/29/20, 11:13 PM
Mike of Snoqualmie said...: Spiffy's Restaurant is fighting King Jay I of Washington's insane lockdown orders. They are open for in-store dining. Spiffy's is one of our favorites for lunch on the trip back from Oregon. Good food and terrific (and huge) desserts.; 12/29/20, 11:24 PM
Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...: "'Rona II" the sequel

Nation’s first case of new coronavirus mutation found

https://www.unionleader.com/news/health/coronavirus/first-u-s-case-of-uk-covid-19-strain-reported-in-colorado/article_9b5c0fa8-3b10-575a-9cc4-4010eaf2348b.html

oh boy! Betcha this one is spread by using firearms and free speech; 12/29/20, 11:25 PM
eddie willers said...: The election wasnt stolen because it didn’t need to be. Trump messed up covid, and much of America decided rioting was okay.

Someone needs to explain how it was a red wave except for the top spot. It does not compute.; 12/30/20, 12:03 AM
Ken B said...: Eddie Willers
First not much of a wave, look at the senate. An ebbing not a wave.
Second, many will prudently vote for divided government. Can you work out how that affects the vote?
I would say nice try but really it wasn’t.; 12/30/20, 12:17 AM
Darrell said...: Trump didn't mess up anything. He shut down flights from China before any other country did. And at the same time, the Democrats (Nancy and Mario Cuomo) were telling people to go to Chinatown and hug a Chinaman for the Chinese New Year. They were also telling people it was no big deal. We've covered all the details here, so Ken B is obviously a fucking liar--a cocksucker as we used to say. Basement Joe and Obama couldn't draw a crowd in the final days larger than a high school car wash by cheerleaders wearing boiler suits. Trump was pulling in Rolling Stones concert crowds. The Democrats so believe their own shit that they have blocked every attempt to examine the votes and the counting machines. That screams innocence, doesn't it? Cheating gets a beating. It's coming.; 12/30/20, 12:45 AM
Darrell said...: I told you about Covid-21 when I told you about the Great Reset/The Fourth Industrial Revolution. It was in documents in late 2019.; 12/30/20, 12:47 AM
madAsHell said...: We bought our Bellevue house in 1990 for $180K and sold it last year for $765K. Our new construction house outside of Snoqualmie on 6.5-acres will be worth about $1MM.

Bellevue. The Evergreen Point - 520 bridge was completed around 1962. Immediately thereafter, several of my childhood neighbors bolted for Bellevue from NE Seattle (the U-District where you can find Laslo). Cheaper land, and bigger houses was/were now just a $0.35 toll road away. If you understand the geography of Seattle*, then you understand why the bridge was a hand-out to home builders. The housing pipeline to the north, and south was packed. Interstate-5 was under construction, and had yet to provide additional north-south growth.

Going east would be easier with a bridge.

After the war, the real estate values in the Seattle Central District collapsed because the returning veterans headed for the cheaper land in the hinterlands made accessible by GM, Ford, and Chrysler.

Many of the veterans were Washington grads, and there was cheap land around the University. I have several anecdotes. Furthermore, many of the veterans became members of the Army 313th reserve group** (They seemed to know how to run the local Boy Scout groups). The unit met either at Fort Lawton (Discovery Park), or Sand Point Naval Air Base (Magnuson Park).***

* North-south valleys filled by lakes, and created by the receding ice age....er, I mean...global warming.
** People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
*** My Dad kept way more firearms, and ammunition than I could find at Cabbalas today.; 12/30/20, 1:41 AM
gadfly said...: Blogger Darrell said...
Trump didn't mess up anything. He shut down flights from China before any other country did.

Our first Covid-19 case was a man from Washington state returning home after a trip to Wuhan, China, on Jan. 15, who sought medical attention on Jan. 19 at Providence Regional Medical Center in Everett, WA. Trump shut down flights from mainland China and Hong Kong on 1/31/20 - but infected passengers from anywhere else on earth were unimpeded on inbound flights. New York became our first hotspot because of flights arriving from Europe.; 12/30/20, 4:50 AM
iowan2 said...: Gadfly @4:50

So?
you cited facts as they are. What exactly was done wrong. Meaning you have a perfect response as it should have been, with the clarity of 20/20 hindsight. You left that part out.

What recommendations by the Gods, Fauci and Birx, did President Trump fail to implement?

Show your work.; 12/30/20, 5:09 AM
iowan2 said...: Gadfly,
Don't forget that all the Democrat leadership railed against the few travel bans put in place and President Trump was labeled a xenophobe for doing what he did. That leaves your options of what should have been done, with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, very limited; 12/30/20, 5:15 AM
iowan2 said...: Gadfly, you also have to calculate you response to adhere to the recommendations of the scientists of the World Health Organization.; 12/30/20, 5:19 AM
Doug said...: Ken B said...
The election wasnt stolen because it didn’t need to be. Trump messed up covid, and much of America decided rioting was okay.

So that we all know, please give the name(s) of the world leader(s) who did not 'mess up covid', and the statistical difference between their results and Trump's.; 12/30/20, 5:41 AM
Francisco D said...: Doug said...So that we all know, please give the name(s) of the world leader(s) who did not 'mess up covid', and the statistical difference between their results and Trump's.

Please do not ask Little Kenny B about numbers. He is clearly innumerate.

Is it something aboot how Canadian math is taught?; 12/30/20, 6:25 AM
mockturtle said...: If anybody 'messed up' COVID [besides China], it was WHO, the CDC and Anthony Fauci. And they're supposed to be 'experts'.; 12/30/20, 8:54 AM
Hey Skipper said...: From yesterday's NYT Daily Briefing, a perfect example of the Fox Butterfield fallacy:

4. Coronavirus cases are spiking in England, despite strict lockdowns and stay-at-home orders for nearly half of the nation.; 12/30/20, 9:27 AM
Mike of Snoqualmie said...: 4. Coronavirus cases are spiking in England, because strict lockdowns and stay-at-home orders for nearly half of the nation kept people in the most contagious environments.

FIF the NYT.; 12/30/20, 9:37 AM