From "The Presidential Endgame" by the editors of The Wall Street Journal (no pay wall). They want a gracious concession — after the counting and litigation — but they never mention how ungracious the Democrats were when Trump won in 2016. Did they ever concede that Trump won and stand back and acknowledge that he legitimately held the power of the presidency?
November 7, 2020
"The vote counting in Arizona and Georgia has seemed professional and transparent. The same can’t be said of Philadelphia..."
"... where the Trump campaign had to go to court so its poll-watchers could observe vote counting. Incredibly, Democratic lawyers opposed that Trump request. This is exactly the wrong way for Democrats to behave, feeding GOP suspicions.... The Democratic Pennsylvania Supreme Court also contributed to the mistrust by rewriting state election law to let mailed ballots be counted until Nov. 6. We warned multiple times that this mess could happen, and the U.S. Supreme Court could have helped by intervening. Chief Justice John Roberts refused.
But it’s also important to note that Pat Toomey, the GOP Senator from the Keystone State, says he has seen no evidence of fraud in his state’s counting. We’ve also seen no concrete evidence. The delivery of a batch of votes all for Mr. Biden at one time can be explained by the practice of some jurisdictions to divide and report the votes of each candidate at different times.... Mr. Trump hates to lose, and no doubt he will fight to the end. But if defeat comes, he will serve himself and his country best by honoring America’s democratic traditions and leaving office with dignity."
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...done doing the over and over and expecting a different result. Time to pivot...
"This is exactly the wrong way for Democrats to behave, feeding GOP suspicions.... “
And they wouldn’t have done it if they didn’t need to do it to win.
They? The WSJ certainly conceded that Trump won. And Hillary Clinton did too.
The lesson, here, it would seems is to already be cheating better than the other guy is cheating, like Paul Newman in The Sting.
"What was I supposed to do? Call him for cheating better than me in front of the others?"
Did they ever concede that Trump won and stand back and acknowledge that he legitimately held the power of the presidency?
They can keep this crap for themselves but don't start the you must comply with the wishes of the President crap when you discover that mandate isn't all that mandate-y...
The delivery of a batch of votes all for Mr. Biden at one time can be explained by the practice of some jurisdictions to divide and report the votes of each candidate at different times....
Making it dirt simple to lose votes from one pile. There is no other logical reason for such a practice.
No, the Democrats did not. In fact, they fought and challenged his legitimacy for the entirety of his term in office (it continues).
I expect Trump to behave better. He respects the country and has faith in the legal system. If after he completes the legal challenges, that he has every right to pursue, it is shown that he lost, Trump will move on. He will likely complain and I wouldn't be surprised if he remains in the public space and challenges the policies of a Biden presidency. Nothing in his long public history suggests anything else, and his supporters would be disappointed if he did not.
"And Hillary Clinton did too.”
“Resist” is I think what she said whatever pro forma words she spoke when she sobered up
Assuming trump loses, he needs to fire everyone on his way out. Period. Everyone he can fire gets fired. Salt the swamp. The republicans will tut tut but f them.
Here’s Al Gore conceding.
"Left Bank of the Charles said...
Here’s Al Gore conceding."
On December 13th. It's November 7th.
A lot of GOP pols, and the WSJ, are telling Trump to concede gracefully so they can get their hands in the cookie jar sooner.
I found this with a search:
"AP called the 2016 election for Donald Trump at 2:30 a.m. Wednesday, and Clinton called Trump to congratulate him about 10 minutes later. (Concession made. Democracy served.) Trump went on to deliver a victory speech to a room full of supporters in New York."
I guess we will see what Trump does.
Seriously, why separate the candidates votes? It’s an extra step, the only reason for this would be if you planned to treat them differently. For a newspaper, they sure are incurious.
Speaking of the transition, I doubt it will matter much when the White House just doesn't participate. We've had 4 years of talk, often crazy talk, with very little action. There is nothing in the White House to transition.
A few of the pragmatic cabinet members make sure the transition work is done: I'm thinking defense, state, and treasury.
Justice, well Barr will want to stay out of jail (NO one wants to be John Mitchell), so he'll need to be careful for a couple of months. He has been noticeably silence for several weeks. That will probably continue, while behind the scene his people work to deep six the damning stuff. Tough job when they never really got some of the US attorney districts on board.
When Trump won, Democrats graciously called him a Putin Stooge and slapped a special counsel investigation on him.
Trump will leave office if he loses. The idea that he'll hole up in the White House is more resistance fantasy.
BUT Democrats foisted this weird election on us, and if they want us to understand what is happening, more transparency is the way to it.
Left Bank- yes, Al Gore conceded. On Dec 13. After asking for recounts in select counties, and with courts forcing observers to be allowed in.
Look at pictures of those recounts, vs pictures of What's happening in Philly. You'll notice, I believe, that much more could be observed in FL.
I guess The WSJ hasn't looked at Atlanta very closely.
I have a thumb drive. It has 4.2 billion votes for trump.
Pedo man bad
"no major figure in the media suggested that voter fraud or election law violations were what bought Trump his victory.”
You forget about Russia “hacking the election” and the fake dossier. I don’t blame you, it is probably far easier for you to maintain your positions if you forget stuff we all know happened.
Thinking back to the "decently generous" (AA's words) concession speech Clinton gave in 2016. Of course she took much shit for giving it the morning after election day, needing a night to process things. So I guess we'll have to give Trump a couple of months.
Remember the 2016 recounts in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan? They were instigated by Jill Stein, not the Democrats, but nobody was deceived.
"Justice, well Barr will want to stay out of jail...”
This is typical lefty “good government” throw your political opponents in jail.
Yes. The Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton conceded as soon as the vote totals became clear via the mainstream media.
The sitting President, Barack Obama, acknowledged the Trump win and proceeded to direct a normal transition.
Hillary has been complaining ever since- as recently as this month! That the election was stolen from her and Trump is an illegitimate president.
Obama publicly acknowledged the Trump win, then conspired with Brennan and Comey to continue spying on the Trump people via Carter Paige and to gin up a Logan Act violation against his own nemesis, Gen Flynn.
So yeah, super smooth transition from those two.
You can think Trump is hinky or even horrible without rewriting history, people!!! You can think he's awful without pretending Gore, Obama, and Clinton acted in some wonderful way they did not!
Whether Trump lost fair and square or was robbed is becoming a moot point. The system, the country, is more important then any one man. Even if Biden is illegitimate, there are still enough checks in place to prevent him from doing too much harm.
Nixon beat Kennedy but was robbed in IL. He could have challenged, but he put the system ahead of his own interests and accepted the defeat. Trump should do the same and we should focus our energies on creating an honest balloting system that the people can have faith in. In the long run, that is the more important battle.
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Remember the 2016 recounts in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan? They were instigated by Jill Stein, not the Democrats, but nobody was deceived.
Egged on by a University of Michigan professor who stated it looked like Russia had caused voting anomalies in those states. And the media lapped it up! So Jill Stein bit and paid for the recounts.
A "NeverTrump, pro-democracy opinion writer at @WashingtonPost, MSNBC contributor" style of creature writes:
"Any R now promoting rejection of an election or calling to not to follow the will of voters or making baseless allegations of fraud should never serve in office, join a corporate board, find a faculty position or be accepted into "polite" society. We have a list."
They didn’t need to concede. They had an insurance policy.
Why would any Democrat vote for this? The current system benefits them.
>should focus our energies on creating an honest balloting system that the people can have faith in.
>In the long run, that is the more important battle.
Nixon beat Kennedy but was robbed in IL. He could have challenged, but he put the system ahead of his own interests and accepted the defeat. Trump should do the same and we should focus our energies on creating an honest balloting system that the people can have faith in. In the long run, that is the more important battle.
Tim Maguire-- I agree with this EXCEPT. That we create an honest balloting system doesn't seem especially likely considering this ridiculous current election was foisted upon us by the person who is about to win.
There is nothing that indicates the Democrats (anti-voter ID) or the powers that be (Twitter blocking any story that even hints mail in ballots are subject to fraud) are all that interested in creating an honest balloting system. Do you see it differently?
He fights. Nothing else really matters. Screw the weenies at the WSJ. Let’s make it a bonfire of their vanities, their arrogant nerdy ways. That schmuckdweeb who runs the Fox decision desk was the last straw for me as regards the MSM. They’re all information operatives and they’re all working together, even if some of them don’t know it. Strassel and Henninger and Baker may be alright, but if they aren’t already, they’ll be fully compromised by the time this debacle has played out.
"From "The Presidential Endgame" by the editors of The Wall Street Journal (no pay wall). They want a gracious concession — after the counting and litigation — but they never mention how ungracious the Democrats were when Trump won in 2016. Did they ever concede that Trump won and stand back and acknowledge that he legitimately held the power of the presidency?" THIS is why I do not trust the WSJ.
Who said:
"Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually, I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is,
"Whether Trump lost fair and square or was robbed is becoming a moot point. The system, the country, is more important then any one man.”
Yes, let’s all turn a blind eye to the corruption so that we can patriotically show our support for our new masters. Good advice. More and more shit about Joe and the ChiComs is coming out every day from that laptop. I suppose it’s our patriotic duty to ignore them.
I agree with one thing, the legitimacy of our electoral system is more important than one man, but turning a blind eye does not confer legitimacy.
Trump’s too legit to quit
Mail in ballots have turned elections into exercises in fraud.
I don’t know if I’ll bother to vote again.
Why participate in this fraud?
Listening to McCarthy and Lowry podcast this morning. They too are being pussies. Resist!
I suppose the state legislatures could push to create more laws. But then we still have courts like the one in PA to declare that a ballot not postmarked by the election could still be valid for a few days.
He who runs the registrations and the hand counts has a lot of power.
the wrong way for Democrats to behave, feeding GOP suspicions.
Not if you control the narrative and want the GOP to accused of unfounded allegations. It has never matter the evidence. They'll still say "without evidence". And conversely, they will show protestors in Arizona, upset about being forced to use Sharpies that invalidated their ballot, and suggest these protestors are violent Trump supporters, despite no evidence of any violence.
You may not actually be gaslighted, but they will still pretend you are.
I think that maybe the worst thing Nixon ever did to America was to concede an election that he knew was. stolen.
Star Wars: A New Hope Trump's first four years.
Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back Biden/Harris take office.
Star Wars: Return of the Jedi The My Pillow Guy wins the Presidency.
Jonathan Turley said it's not enough to win. People have to believe you won. He's right. Half the country will not believe Biden won. They might go about their business, but they won't believe the man in the Oval Office was elected POTUS. When the Democrats oust Biden and Harris becomes POTUS, the proof will be self-evident that was the plan all along. If she tries to implement any of her ideas, particularly confiscating guns, she'll find out who believes she's the POTUS and who doesn't.
I’m surprised to see people invoking Nixon’s example here as a positive one. He should have fought like the dickens for a clean vote in 1960. That he didn’t isn’t a credit to him. It was his own political self preservation he fought for, not the integrity of our elections. He lived to fight another day...for his own personal undying ambition. The opposite of a selfless act in support of our nation’s well being.
“ we should focus our energies on creating an honest balloting system that the people can have faith in”
Agreed, but I don’t see how this happens. Even if ballot protection measures could be put to 50 votes in 50 states (is this possible?) the states in which the current fraud is occurring would vote it down, leaving us just where we are now.
I think a more appropriate title for that article would be
"The Conservative Case for Voter Fraud"
Old school Republicans are always about decorum. Even as Democrats are taking their bloodied brass knuckles off of their hands and putting them back into their coat pockets, traditional Republicans ask for calm and restraint. Republicans for years worked as the minority party. Most of the old timers still think like a minority party and prefer to work under the cloak of not having to actually produce anything. Their job, in that mindset is to simply try to block Democrat policies. That was the old GOP.
Trump changed that approach and showed what you can accomplish by hewing the old thinking and bring a new way of thinking to Washington. Just think of how many administrations tried the same path to Middle East peace agreements. Trump took a different approach. Now- there's still a number of the old GOPers there, and many of them are fine people, good smart people. Like Sen. Toomey. But their time to leave has come. We're in a fight for the Republic now. Ted Cruz gets it. A few others do as well. And a slew of the newly elected GOPers will come in with a different approach. Trump changed the course of this party. Though the party elders will try to steer it back to their 'safe space' of playing minority party, the times are much to dangerous to dwell in that mindset.
The change that Trump started is just beginning.
I think a more appropriate title for that article would be
"The Conservative Case for Voter Fraud"
"Whether Trump lost fair and square or was robbed is becoming a moot point. The system, the country, is more important then any one man.”
This is how it is under authoritarian regimes.
Universal mail in voting is a system designed for fraud. The Right must fix that, fast, or there will never be another Republican president.
Don't know if this has occurred to anyone else, but those two GOP senators in the runoff in GA are going to win handily. Disgust with the Dems is going to carry them over the finish line decisively. Many of the voters who forced a runoff in the first place are now going to vote GOP. Told my wife that a lot of people would vote for a Satan/Manson ticket provided they ran as Republicans.
You know, I've got two neighbors. Both good people. Good neighbors for 20 years now. We watch each others homes during vacations. Greet each other outside. Take in each others trash cans. Both liberals. Both voted for Biden, one with signs in her yard. (We live in Austin, so no Trump signs for us, of course.) And my wife and I can't decide how to handle the relationship going forward, or what we'll say to them. I suspect we won't know until we next see them, whenever that is. I want to get along with my neighbors, but right now I just can't stand the thought of even talking to them.
I suspect this conversation is being had all across America.
"but they never mention how ungracious the Democrats were when Trump won in 2016."
Well, why should they? In American politics graciousness is a one-way street.
"Did they ever concede that Trump won and stand back and acknowledge that he legitimately held the power of the presidency?"
Well, no. And why should they? They fight, legitimitality be damned. Results matter.
"But then we still have courts like the one in PA to declare that a ballot not postmarked by the election could still be valid for a few days.”
Let’s look at who these judges are...
When Ozzie got out, he appears to have gone right back to work, and in July 2020 was charged with bribing a Philadelphia elections judge to stuff ballots for his candidates.>
Three of those candidates, who have not been identified, now sit on the Philadelphia Court of Common Pleas. Judges on this court have already denied the Trump campaign’s ballot-watchers access, providing crucial unsupervised time to ward vote counters before a successful appeal at a higher court.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/06/american-hustle-party-insiders-tell-the-true-story-of-how-philadelphia-elections-work/
Oh, and let’s look at the Pennsylvania Supreme Court
Ozzie, we’re told, wasn’t even caught as part of an election fraud investigation: He was simply on the trail to John “Johnny Doc” Dougherty, a powerful Philadelphia labor boss who leads the Local 98 of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers and was indicted in February 2019. Johnny Doc’s younger brother, Judge Kevin Dougherty,” was elected to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court in 2015 with help from Local 98.
Incurious.
"All more or less constantly critical of the Republican Party. Why not just get out, and form your own party?”
That’s what we have been wondering about you. The Democrats are the party of the rich now, head on over, I am sure they will be glad to have you.
Any method other than in-person voting on Election Day with a photo ID and verified registration 30 days prior to the election is deliberate fraud.
With, of course, strictly limited provisions for absentee voting, with the same registration requirements.
So, our elections are now pointless frauds. As I said, why bother with this shit?
When you add in the manipulation of Facebook and Google, and the fraudulent polls, what’s left here to preserve?
Chuck taking a break from manufacturing ballots?
Big win for China and Iran.
Would Biden have won if the election was conducted fairly?Impossible to know, but I am doubtful. Philadelphia's huge student population is missing this year due to corona. Yet despite the big reduction in population, we are to believe more votes were cast than in 2016.How many illegal immigrants vote in CA, aided by their motor voter law that EXEMPTS illegal immigrants from being charged with a crime if they "accidently" register to vote.France and the UK both banned voting by mail decades ago due to massive voter fraud.In most of Europe you need photo id to obtain a ballot by mail.Yet the same Democrats who so idolize Europe demand fraud by mail here.Have to think it is because they don't believe they would win without the fraud.
I don't think Althouse will be pleased (after pining for boring govt) that social unrest is still useful for the new democratic party.
Thank you for that Tim in Vermont. No wonder we are hearing that it's racist to say Philly is corrupt is racist.
I think something fishy happened...
The State Department uses a statistical tool called Benford's law to determine whether or not foreign elections are free and fair or fraudulent. From Justice.gov:
"Benford's law states that digits and digit sequences in a legitimately prepared data set follow a predictable pattern, i.e. a geometric sequence. ... The technique applies a data-analysis method that identifies possible errors, potential fraud, or other irregularities."
Election results must be random and fit a specific pattern predicted by Benford's law. Human beings can not mimic randomness when they're stuffing ballot boxes. So, anyways, the results for West, Jorgensen and Trump are good. The results for Biden deviate substantially in Milwaukee, Philadelphia and, of course, Chicago.
“it’s also important to note that Pat Toomey, the GOP Senator from the Keystone State, says he has seen no evidence of fraud in his state’s counting.”
Is Toomey looking? Looking hard? Is anyone else looking? The FBI? US Atty?
Back in the day, corrupt state officials in the South wouldn’t let Blacks vote as “there was no evidence.”
"So, our elections are now pointless frauds. As I said, why bother with this shit?”
I will give up on it when the fight is over, if. we lose. This is the biggest fight of our lives. It way transcends Trump, we wouldn’t even need Trump if we could count on fair elections.
Trump must go quietly into that good night. And wait meekly for the onslaught of indictments from Biden-Harris DOJ. Ideally, he should not contest them, but report for sentencing by Judge Sullivan, who will no doubt show mercy (or at least beg the Creator to have mercy on Trump's soul.)
But Trumpism is not dead, according to these same WSJ writers: the same percentage of Black and Hispanic men who just voted for Trump will be equally fired up to cast a vote for the supine Lil Marco or Jeb in 2024, because reasons.
The Dominion Cheat-ware was first sold to 30 states by a former Soros Foundation Chairman. The company is now owned by a former Clinton FCC chairman who was also Obama's EU Ambassador.
Soros. Clinton. Obama. Funny how that works. Note to Europe: check your systems.
Diane Feinstein’s husband's Avic company installed the Michigan voting software.
What is it about that family and their drivers?
This Klepto-Vote Software dwarves all the other traditional vote fraud methods which were also used.
"Election results must be random and fit a specific pattern predicted by Benford's law. Human beings can not mimic randomness when they're stuffing ballot boxes. So, anyways, the results for West, Jorgensen and Trump are good. The results for Biden deviate substantially in Milwaukee, Philadelphia and, of course, Chicago.”
You would think that the “party of science” would be interested in these results...
Ha ha ah aha! I kid! I kid!
I don't really want to become the Balkans, where the grievances have been passed down generation after generation so that they're now embedded in the population's DNA.
No, there wasn't a lot of gracious talk from the losing side, including the media, when Trump won in 2016 but he wasn't particularly gracious either. And what does acting with dignity look like these days? There is no conceivable way for Trump to remain in the White House if he loses in the electoral college. The 2nd Marine Division isn't going to come rolling up the I-95 to keep him in power come January 20. I suppose it will be dignified if Melania isn't having to strap him to a dolly and wheel him out of there. Now, that's someone I imagine can't wait to get out of there, Melania.
WSJ misses their good little pet Republicans like Marco. The notion that Rubio is a 2024 contender strikes me as ridiculous. If not Trump, it will be some hard pipe-hitting dudes, with blowtorches, not some effete tea party wave riding pretty boy.
Chuck, I think part of his deal with Pence will be that Ivanka be appointed VP, so as to spoil the first for Harris. Biden retaliates by making Schumer an ambassador (UN?, Israel?) so Cuomo can make AOC senator (a year older than Biden when he took his seat)
Hopefully that’s metaphorical.
The narrative that Nixon was somehow noble to swallow the election fraud and the stolen election in 1960 came from the Left.
Old school Republicans are always about decorum. Even as Democrats are taking their bloodied brass knuckles off of their hands and putting them back into their coat pockets
Both sides think the other guys fights hard and their team is soft. They really do think (quite honestly) that Michelle Obama was right that they always take the high road while the GOP gets down and dirty. Utter nonsense, but people believe it.
The GOP just pushed through a S.C. justice because they could, after insisting for years that they wouldn't. Hardly the cowards you make them out to be. Maybe they are ready to move on because they accept the results. That doesn't make them soft. It means they live in this reality.
"Guys like you are exactly why I am spiking the ball now.”
You can spike the ball all you want, but the play is under review.
Toomey has not been paying attention to Philly. Trump is likely fighting a losing battle for the Presidency. However, it is a battle that must be fought. When all the indicators are put together thy may not carry the day in any state, but collectively they evince a far stronger case for fraud than for other possibilities. Random coincidences my arse!
We know! Now we know! The Democrats are corrupt. Federal law enforcement and the intelligence community are corrupt. The Biden family are corrupt grifters. The corrupt ChiComs own them and us. The leftmedia is corrupt. The polls are corrupt. Democrat city governments are corrupt. The election process is also corrupt. All that saved us from Hillary was overconfidence.
Trump is the anti-swamp gift that keeps on giving. He has taken on overwhelming odds for us and half of us get it. Anyone with a modicum of critical thinking skills can see the swamp rising again. The clerisy, the identity politics imbeciles, and the Marxists who comprise the New Democrats won’t acknowledge this, but half of us get it. That number will grow when President Trump is not around to hate. He doesn’t need to be President any more. He just needs to be around.
"after insisting for years that they wouldn’t.”
Lie
>>The delivery of a batch of votes all for Mr. Biden at one time can be explained by the practice of some jurisdictions to divide and report the votes of each candidate at different times....
So where are the HUGE blocks of thousands of Trump votes with zero Biden votes?
But still, we’re taking big steps in the direction of flamethrower time. Can you picture little Marco with a flamethrower? I can’t. Tom Cotton, he seems less like somebody to fuck with, that there’s fire beneath that polite and well mannered exterior. But he’s been brought up in the tradition of fair play, and that’s not the game being played now.
I was a Republican poll watcher for the Bristol 1-2 district (Bucks County, PA). As I reported here on election night, the in person voting results were 175 votes for Biden and 332 for Trump, from 253 Republican voters and 230 Democrat voters. Get that? With 230 registered Democrats showing up, Biden only got 175 votes. AT LEAST 30% of the registered Democrats who showed up crossed party lines to show up for Trump.
And what are the results on the county website now? 374 votes for Trump to 317 votes for Biden.
"Mail in" added 42 votes to Trump's total and 142 votes for Biden.
"Mail in" went 77.17% for Biden.
In a town where the yard signs went at least 10-1 in Trump's favor.
So at most 70% of registered Democrats who showed up voted for Biden, but in the universe of mail in ballots, Biden got 77%.
If *EVERY* *LAST* *SINGLE* mail in ballot was filled out by a registered Democrat, if not *one single* Republican voted that way, Biden *still* vastly outperformed his in-person performance,
To be clear: Biden got a far higher percentage of the votes from the category "mail in ballot" than the category "registered Democrats".
Does anyone believe that is even remotely plausible?
Maybe they are ready to move on because they accept the results. That doesn't make them soft. It means they live in this reality.
I will accept the results when everything has had time to play out.
Sorry Ann. Did I not see yesterday that there is credible news that Fulton County GA stopped counting the other night, sent the Republicans home, and then kept counting only to discover a multitude of Biden votes. Quelle surpreeze!!
The sitting President, Barack Obama, acknowledged the Trump win and proceeded to direct a normal transition. And of course he attended the inauguration of his successor. He met with President-elect Trump and advised him for the good of the nation. Including warning Trump about the national security risk of Michael Flynn.
BigZer0 was usually good at faking the appearance of good intent as he kept his undermining, subterfuge and sedition on the down low and behind the scenes.
A true ratfuck.
"I don't really want to become the Balkans, where the grievances have been passed down generation after generation so that they're now embedded in the population's DNA.”
A good way to prevent that is honest elections.
I am sure that Cuck can explain why these people were taking suitcases and coolers into secure areas of the Detroit counting operation after the ballots were supposed to have been received.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/watch-suitcases-coolers-rolled-detroit-voting-center-4-brought-secure-counting-area/
If there is a good explanation, I would like to hear it.
@Jim: What does all that bullshit at 8:26 even mean?
The usual suspects with their usual professional lefty puffery, mincing and amateur chicanery.
Someone linked to author Larry Correia's blog in another thread yesterday, and I'm linking to it again. Larry is a bestselling writer of fantasy/sci fi novels, former accountant, and former competitive shooter and firearms insructor. Please do not follow my link if you are easily offended by salty language, as Larry uses f-bombs the way my old drill sergeant did, now over a half century ago (i.e., as punctuation marks).
Here's his lede:
I am more offended by how ham fisted, clumsy, and audacious the fraud to elect him is than the idea of Joe Biden being president. I think Joe Biden is a corrupt idiot, however, I think America would survive him like we’ve survived previous idiot administrations. However, what is potentially fatal for America is half the populace believing that their elections are hopelessly rigged and they’re eternally fucked. And now, however this shakes out in court, that’s exactly what half the country is going to think.
People are pissed off, and rightfully so.
As a former accountant, Larry is used to looking for "red flags" in audits, and needless to say he finds red flags aplenty in the vote counting. And don't bother reading his blog entry, and picking nits about this red flag or that red flag, or whether this one is disputed or that one is (allegedly) debunked. The issue isn't that all of them turn out to be correct. With that much smoke, there are fires burning somewhere.
" proceeded to direct a normal transition.”
While they were lying to the FISA court and saddling him with a Special Prosecutor over stuff that has been shown to have been made up by the Clinton campaign. We know this from declassified hand written notes from Brenen, BTW, which he hasn’t denied. Brennen’s notes show he lied in the media.
Does anyone believe that is even remotely plausible?
Yes. I do, because that is how the Dems do GOTV. They don't just wait and hope voters wander into the polling booth: they (1) identify democrat and likely voters; (2) contact them in person; and (3) either, help them through the process of getting a mail in ballot, or physically drive them to the polls. If they know you have a mail in ballot they will text you twice a day to make sure you have sent it in.
They make sure their voters get ballots. They do not trust their voters to do it on their own.
This is why the extended mail in and early voting was so important for the Dems. The GOP either needs to change the laws to limit early voting or they need to do the same thing the Dems are doing. Either way, just stop whining.
Where was the gracious concession in 2016>?
We never got that. What we received instead was a never ending stream of lies and false accusations leading to a bogus FAILED impeachment.
The Coup Coup Plotters failed so they are trying again.
None of the people who I have spoken to will accept fraudulent results.
Period
Get to work figuring out the fraud THAT is the gracious path.
There is no point in comparing an election where there is no evidence of fraud to one where there is lots of it. How often do we see these inexplicable anomalies that add votes to the Republicans? If this was happening the other way around, all these people seeing no evidence would see all of it, and be calling for review and no concession, and I'd we them. The integrity of the process is way more important than who won.
That explanation about all those votes only for Biden proves nothing. It's just a possible explanation, like "the dog ate my home work". It's possible, but that's not the question. We need to know if it's what happened or not. Is that really the practice there, and who did it, where, and when. This same thing happened in more than one place. Did all the Republican votes come in together as well, and why would you do something so dangerous to both the perception and reality of fraud.
I think I saw this posted but does this not show you where we are headed.
Jennifer 'Count Every Vote' Rubin
@JRubinBlogger
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Any R now promoting rejection of an election or calling to not to follow the will of voters or making baseless allegations of fraud should never serve in office, join a corporate board, find a faculty position or be accepted into "polite" society. We have a list.
Newly declassified handwritten notes from former CIA Director John Brennan show that the U.S. intelligence community knew in 2016 that Russian intelligence was actively monitoring, and potentially injecting disinformation into, Clinton’s anti-Trump collusion narrative. The intelligence concerning Russia’s knowledge of Clinton’s campaign plans was so concerning to Brennan and other national security officials that they personally informed Obama of the matter in the Oval Office in the summer of 2016.
https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/06/breaking-dni-declassifies-handwritten-notes-from-john-brennan-2016-cia-referral-on-clinton-campaigns-collusion-operation/
Normal transition! Obama fucking knew it was all bullshit.
We’re getting additional insight into Russian activites from [REDACTED],” Brennan’s handwritten notes state. “Cite alleged approval by Hillary Clinton–on 26 July–of a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisers to villify [sic] Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by the Russian security services.”
Never told the FISA court, did they?
"Assuming trump loses, he needs to fire everyone on his way out. Period. Everyone he can fire gets fired. Salt the swamp. The republicans will tut tut but f them."
Yea good idea, here is how he should do it. Declassify EVERYTHING IMMEDIATELY.
When the traitors refuse or try to slow walk the info THEN fire them. Because you have to have cause to fire hire ranking traitors.
Love you Dems. It is truly an honor to live amongst such morally superior evolved souls like you. Really, really, really.
Guys like you are exactly why I am spiking the ball now.
C'mon, man... you've got one half-productive "testicle" left. Best not pierce that raisin.
I suspect this conversation is being had all across America.
Democrats have no idea how much collateral damage this election bomb has caused. I wouldn't mind Trump losing if the process was transparent and I could be confident the results reflected the will of the people. But there have been so many red flags raised in this election that I have no such confidence, and the Democrats sure aren't helping.
Eleanor: "Jonathan Turley said it's not enough to win. People have to believe you won. He's right. Half the country will not believe Biden won. They might go about their business, but they won't believe the man in the Oval Office was elected POTUS. When the Democrats oust Biden and Harris becomes POTUS, the proof will be self-evident that was the plan all along. If she tries to implement any of her ideas, particularly confiscating guns, she'll find out who believes she's the POTUS and who doesn't."
All correct. Plainly so. But the impacts outside our nation deserve attention as well.
Step back and imagine you are sitting in one of those capitals where our competitors and adversaries are watching these events unfold.
The ChiComs have long known they can openly purchase much of the leadership and institutions of American academia, American media, American entertainment, American technology leaders, American government and policy, etc. With Biden this will accelerate and they will get the additional cash to do so with their "partners" in the west, not least of which is the Biden family.
With Trump gone the ChiComs can now also reinvigorate their Belt and Road project, expand their Spratley Islands development strategy, and continue to manuever in a way to bring pressure on Taiwan for eventual reabsorption into the ChiCom state. India better watch out too since the Indian government has made it clear that it is not pleased with what the democrat/LLR-lefty aligned ChiCom's are up to.
Putin would do the same as the ChiComs....if he could. But Russia has a lower GDP than Italy(!) That's why the Russkis can barely keep a couple squadrons flying in Syria for more than a month or two with minimal ground force support.
Russia's naval fleet sits rusting at piers, its armaments are decaying away, the braindrain from russia to the west has been astonishing in its scale and impact within Russia. All Russia has left of value is some wilting nuclear missiles, a decent sized population and enough fossil fuel energy with which to bribe Western Europe, see Nordstream and Nordstream II.
Iran knows the democraticals/LLR-lefties are quite anxious to be rid of that "Israel problem" and strongly desire the Persians to reestablish their glorious Middle East hegemony from a couple millennia ago. You can bet Biden and the EU will return to the obama admin Israel interference policy to attempt to drive Netanyahu out of the government, install a government that will accept terms which will lead to the eventual dissolution of Israel and neutralize Israel's strategic nuclear capabilities.
Of course, the Israeli's can be quite self-sufficient if it comes to that and I suspect the number of their nuclear weapons is far greater than anyone else knows.....and I'll bet the Iranians know it too.
There will be lots of other interesting adjustments made by our allies and opponents now that the Biden crew is in charge....until the obama crew tells them to hit the road to allow the obama crew, thru Kamala, to return to direct power.
Shorter version: They stole it fair and square.
"seems" uh huh
There is no point in comparing an election where there is no evidence of fraud to one where there is lots of it.
@bagoh20: I think you are misremembering. Democrats were convinced that Putin hacked the voting machines. They think they were jobbed by Bush v. Gore.
This is just the new thing we do now. When our party loses, we delude ourselves into seeing unfair conspiracies.
I'm not quite ready to impugn the integrity of the civic minded grandmothers who volunteer at the polls. If everything you believe is true: is grandma in on it?
@ Hombre
We know! Now we know! The Democrats are corrupt. Federal law enforcement and the intelligence community are corrupt. The Biden family are corrupt grifters. The corrupt ChiComs own them and us. The leftmedia is corrupt. The polls are corrupt. Democrat city governments are corrupt. The election process is also corrupt. All that saved us from Hillary was overconfidence.
indeed.
"And you called me “Cuck.”
Thank you, I told you I wanted to hear a good explanation. I looked into the computer glitch thing too, and I am also satisfied with that explanation.
The fact that the Detroit counts appear to have the statistical signature of fraud will be another one I would like to see laid to rest.
You are a cuck though, and the party has left you behind. Go join the Democrats or your export-jobs-to-China sellout Amash.
Ya got nothing on the corruption in the PA courts, I see
BrentonTalcott: "Where was the gracious concession in 2016>?
We never got that. What we received instead was a never ending stream of lies and false accusations leading to a bogus FAILED impeachment."
A majority of democraticals/LLR-lefties, to this very day, believe Putin literally changed vote totals to install Trump as President in 2016.
Hillary warned about Trump "stealing" the 2020 election like she claims he did in 2016.
Jimmy Carter in Sep of 2019 stated explicitly that Putin installed Trump in Power in 2016.
From the Washington Post article: "In June, former president Jimmy Carter used similar language to diminish Trump’s presidency. Carter said that in his view Trump lost the 2016 election and was put in office by the Russians. Asked if he considered Trump to be illegitimate, Carter said, “Based on what I just said, which I can’t retract.”
From that same WP article in Sep of 2019, Hillary shared this: Hillary Clinton: "Trump is an ‘illegitimate president’"
"Hillary Clinton dismissed President Trump as an “illegitimate president” and suggested that “he knows” that he stole the 2016 presidential election in a CBS News interview to be aired Sunday."
"'m not quite ready to impugn the integrity of the civic minded grandmothers who volunteer at the polls. If everything you believe is true: is grandma in on it?”
You are deluded, look at my post upthread, this is from a guy indicted for election fraud:
When Ozzie got out, he appears to have gone right back to work, and in July 2020 was charged with bribing a Philadelphia elections judge to stuff ballots for his candidates.>
Three of those candidates, who have not been identified, now sit on the Philadelphia Court of Common Pleas. Judges on this court have already denied the Trump campaign’s ballot-watchers access, providing crucial unsupervised time to ward vote counters before a successful appeal at a higher court.
I think Trump should concede just like Hillary.
As long as the FBI, the media, the tech companies, and the Republican Party spend the next four years saying Biden’s victory was the result of election interference, and go beyond the bounds of the law to prove their accusations.
Then, and only then, can we compare Trump and Hillary.
The only 'transparent' aspect of AZ vote counting is the ballot paper when a sharpie is applied. Then discarded because the bleed-through renders it unacceptable. And it's entirely possible that [this is my theory] the only rejected bleed-through ballots were Trump votes.
I'm not quite ready to impugn the integrity of the civic minded grandmothers who volunteer at the polls.
There is video of a cute civic minded Democrat filling out and validating ballots, another old American tradition. I expect her grandmother did the same. But mail in voting replaced the grandmothers this year, and in some places have been long gone. Haven't seen one in Utah for many years.
“Jonathan Turley said it's not enough to win. People have to believe you won. He's right. Half the country will not believe Biden won. They might go about their business, but they won't believe the man in the Oval Office was elected POTUS.”
That’s why we had to have the Russia hoax, the anti-Constitutional Electoral College nonsense and the illegitimate impeachment. Not only to protect Hillary and Biden from criminal charges, but to keep the boneheads who voted for her, the Antifa/BLM Brownshirts and the children at our universities agitated about Trump’s “illegitimate” Presidency.
The skepticism about a Biden victory, however, is justified by actual evidence, albeit mostly circumstantial, of election fraud.
But what do we do about it? If we take to the streets, however peacefully, the Democrats will sic their Brownshirts on us. The Republican swamprats won’t support us. A few courageous Senators and Congressmen, conservative radio hosts and Trump might be with us. The Obama/Biden IRS will stymie fund raising. Dissent will be tough in the Banana Republic of America.
Earnest Prole: "Shorter version: They stole it fair and square."
Truer than even you know.
However, once the ballots all get fully mingled without identifying characteristics that can be used to break out the ballot subgroups (date received, handling criteria, etc) it becomes impossible for any real investigation into corruption.
Which is well known by the democraticals/LLR-lefties.
That's why its important to make sure the republican poll watchers are nowhere near to any of the real "action". Even better, tell the republican poll watchers you are shutting down for the night, then after they leave, crank up the "counting" operation......which was precisely what was done at the same times in multiple states and....it's all just a big coincidence.
Of course, its done now and cannot really be undone. At least not by republicans.
If roles were reversed (I know, but stick with me here) and democraticals/LLR-lefties were the majority in the State House of Representatives where this occurred, they would not hesitate to simply vote in a slate of their own electors to challenge the slate of electors certified by the state level Secretaries of State.
Seems like Trump's point, before and after the election, was/is that the US is incapable of holding a fair election, and so we would have done better not to bother and just STAND PAT with the great president we've already got. Can't do better than THAT!
The Dems cheat. Plain and simple. They cheat in Chicago. They cheat in Philly. They cheat in Detroit. They cheat in Milwaukee.
I have no problem accepting a Biden Presidency, if won squarely, just like I had no problem accepting a Bill Clinton or Obama presidency. Sometime you win, sometimes you lose. And yes there was probably some cheating there, but did it change the outcome? I don't think so.
Here, the mail-in ballot harvesting, same day registration, midnight drops of 100K votes for Biden, don't pass the smell test. I wouldn't accept this if the Trump team did it, and won't accept it from the Dems.
The fight goes on!
"The delivery of a batch of votes all for Mr. Biden at one time can be explained by the practice of some jurisdictions to divide and report the votes of each candidate at different times..."
LOL LOL LOL
"at different times" Perhaps explains what happened, but it doesn't explain the practice in the first place. What a convenient way to work the fraudulent votes in with the legitimate ones and mask when the fraudulent ones were created. Kind of like saying vote fraud "can be explained by the practice of some jurisdictions" being corrupt.
Just an aside. on Australia’s Sky News, the commentator referred to Biden repeatedly as “the corpse.”
That’s premature, but “elder abuse” comes to mind.
Incredibly WSJ thinks it was incredible for Democratic lawyers to stop Republican watchers. It's called fraud. No one is stupid enough to let you see how the fraud is perpetrated. The problem is not PA Supreme let them count till Nov. 6, the problem is they can count all ballots without postmarks, without verified signatures, without envelopes. WSJ is not honest.
Trump was ahead by 700,000 votes at midnight. Now he is behind. We have seen this play before.
Drago, I would love to see a state house or two do that, and precipitate the constitutional crisis this country needs to have. The sooner this situation escalates the better, because putting this kind event behind us without a thorough reckoning is highly corrosive.
As for the news equipment being brought into the convention center- this is an election. Be transparent about things AS THEY ARE BROUGHT IN. If you were going into a courtroom with that, you'd have to go through a security check. Look, it might be over kill but our elections are at stake. Let's make sure we know what is being brought in where ballots are being counted AT THE TIME they are brought in. I mean, it isn't ridiculous that someone could pay the news photographer to be the one to carry in ballots.
Double check everything.
And it isn't grandmas volunteering to count ballots in Philadelphia. It is city workers, being paid to work.
(ps. you don't volunteer to work at the polls. You do get paid. And you are supposed to have people from both parties there, but in my state all you have to do is say you are from a certain party. And even then, in places like Ann Arbor, it is incredibly hard to find someone willing to say they are a Republican)
But GOP probably needs Dems to do something like that first.
I'm not quite ready to impugn the integrity of the civic minded grandmothers who volunteer at the polls. If everything you believe is true: is grandma in on it?
It’s not the people counting the votes.
It’s the people handing them the votes to count.
jim: "Seems like Trump's point, before and after the election, was/is that the US is incapable of holding a fair election, and so we would have done better not to bother and just STAND PAT with the great president we've already got. Can't do better than THAT!"
It is commonplace for lefties to create their own Trump quotes via adolescent like reinterpretation of his actual comments in order to craft winning strawman arguments.
In time, if recent history is our guide, someone will take a comment like jim's and place quote marks around it, launch it onto social media and it will go viral and that will be that.
It's become a well practiced tactic.
You know, I've got two neighbors. Both good people. Good neighbors for 20 years now. We watch each others homes during vacations. Greet each other outside. Take in each others trash cans. Both liberals. Both voted for Biden, one with signs in her yard. (We live in Austin, so no Trump signs for us, of course.) And my wife and I can't decide how to handle the relationship going forward, or what we'll say to them. I suspect we won't know until we next see them, whenever that is. I want to get along with my neighbors, but right now I just can't stand the thought of even talking to them.
I suspect this conversation is being had all across America.
My 75 year old mother hates Democrats. I dread thinking about what she's likely to start posting on Facebook.
daskol: "Drago, I would love to see a state house or two do that, and precipitate the constitutional crisis this country needs to have. The sooner this situation escalates the better, because putting this kind event behind us without a thorough reckoning is highly corrosive."
But of course it will never happen with this republican party.
Witness North Carolina just last night where the republicans on the Elections Board sided with the dems to allow them to "fix" ballots to help the democraticals. And then the "republican" members of the Board immediately resigned, knowing that they would be replaced later anyway.
Throughout the "republican" party, there is an astonishing number of pro-democratical/far left fakers who act as the controlled opposition party to the dems.
The most fantastic aspect of the Trump presidency was the complete exposure of all the players and the corruption involved.
All the masks have dropped and now we'll see what comes of it all.
All the masks have dropped and now we'll see what comes of it all.
Aye,
BTW put my name on Ms C's list please.
And anyone else's who makes these type's of list's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEgpcgO4Hvk
More eyewitness. reports from Republican poll watchers in PA
try to get in, I see the canvas location. And then there are cameras in an entirely different section of the warehouse, pointed at where the canvas workers are working, but they are bad cameras. They’re not very good.
And there’s only a few of them and they are placed so far away that you can see the people who are counting the ballots, but you can’t see the ballots they’re counting, which is the whole purpose of having a canvas watcher. The canvas watcher is not there to watch people. He’s there to watch the ballots.
I am sure that it’s all on the up and up. The only reason they keep the poll watchers from seeing what they are doing is because there is nothing to see, right?
Trump needs to exhaust his legal remedies, and move on.
But I heard he didn't even have a legal team in place by election day. Just Giuiliani? Sheesh that IS incompetent.
You can always tell when things are going off the rails when liberals show up and extoll people who work for the government as "grannies volunteering" or amazing patriotic heroes.
Yesterday I heard a Democrat commentator saying the poor vote counting volunteers are having to spend time away from their families!! How can you question then?
"Yes. I do, because that is how the Dems do GOTV. They don't just wait and hope voters wander into the polling booth: they (1) identify democrat and likely voters; (2) contact them in person; and (3) either, help them through the process of getting a mail in ballot, or physically drive them to the polls. If they know you have a mail in ballot they will text you twice a day to make sure you have sent it in."
And this explains getting a significantly higher percentage of the vote from the category "mail in ballot" than the category "registered Democrat" how? No matter how much "GOTV" they did, no matter how lopsided the distribution of Democrats among the mail in ballot vote, it couldn't have been more than 100% of mail in ballots being from Democrats. But *even if you assume ever last single mail in ballot was from a Democrat*, which is ludicrous, Biden still did much better among that group of votes than he did in the overall pool of "registered Democrats". NOTHING you said even remotely explains that.
Blogger Chuck said...
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The sitting President, Barack Obama, acknowledged the Trump win and proceeded to direct a normal transition. And of course he attended the inauguration of his successor. He met with President-elect Trump and advised him for the good of the nation. Including warning Trump about the national security risk of Michael Flynn.
Wow. A normal transition includes siccing the FBI, NAS, and DOJ on the incoming POTUS and his administration. Using false documentation provided by drunken ex-British spies getting their disinformation directly, supposedly, from Russia. Wow. And, directing them to lie to the courts to get warrants for all this.
I wasn't aware all this was normal Mentime- the apparent president direct seems to be up to his ears in actual real life corruptio, along with seemingly his entire family. And the media and intelligence services seem oblivious. Almost as if they were 100% politicized from the previous administration.
And by the way, I as a registered Republican who never requested a mail in ballot got at least 5 or 6 mailings and 2 to 3 texts a day from BOTH parties begging me to vote early by mail and offering any possible assistance to vote. Any bigger effort to Get Out My Vote would've probably justified my getting a restraining order.
If they know you have a mail in ballot they will text you twice a day to make sure you have sent it in."
So they know you have a mail in ballot, and they know how to get in touch with you. Do you see that this could be misused?
Interesting and good discussions on this at:
https://www.samizdata.net/
Isn't it grand that the hack press get to tell us what is real and what isn't.
4 years of lies piled on Trump - and they breathlessly fortified those lies with unfair and wholly inappropriate coverage. Fraudulent coverage.
Now we can see vote totals showing up for Biden after the fact in highly suspicious ways - delivered in the dead of night. ...by hostile D- Sec of States in states where top leaders actually told us before the elections that "Trump would lose".
Votes totals kicking up to mathematically impossible one-sided totals in the middle of the night... The appearance and smell of elections fraud all over the place.
Gospace said...
I wasn't aware all this was normal Mentime- the apparent president direct seems to be up to his ears in actual real life corruptio, along with seemingly his entire family. And the media and intelligence services seem oblivious. Almost as if they were 100% politicized from the previous administration.
11/7/20, 10:19 AM
Mmmhmm. After the Hunter Biden laptop, ANY attempt to criminalize the Trump Administration has to be seen for the Third World tyranny that it obviously was. But one thing I don't get is the sheer smugness of the Lincoln Party grifters. Are they aware that the Democrats are going to mercilessly hunt down their operators and donors until EVERY dime of the group's money goes to the American left? While nationalists look at the list and wonder "why would the Kristols and Goldbergs of America betray us like this?" The comeuppance for traitors, especially people regarded as traitors by both sides, promises to be the most entertaining part of deeply unentertaining times.
at least they admit philly is off. beyond off.
I'm rethinking whether Nixon should have graciously conceded. Maybe, just maybe, if the Kennedy win had been successfully challenged and the bad actors had suffered some actual consequences, the longstanding Democratic party's practice of voter fraud would have been nipped in the bud. Consider US history without Viet Nam or LBJ or the Kennedy assassination or even Watergate. Just something to think about.
"don’t bother me with garbage from Trumpist blogs.”
I had my doubts about Gateway, and now I am done with them.
"So they know you have a mail in ballot, and they know how to get in touch with you. Do you see that this could be misused?"
Not just that. They know you got sent a mail in ballot, and they know where your mailbox is.
Give me a break. The amount of citizens capturing video of fraud, the whistleblowers coming forward, and the totals far outside the standard deviation are is the REAL information. Peggy Noonan wrote that’s Trump’s “advisers” were telling him to give up the fight. Trump’s advisors are his voters. They don’t want him to quite. We want the fraud exposed. It is real. And when it is exposed, it will turn our institutions upside down. Good. Hopefully they include the University of Wisconsin.
The modern democrat party is the party of cheats and coastal elites and rich tech oligarchs. Corrupt money whores and Chinese communists. The party of faux-green and uncharitable frauds and international crack smoking grifters.
Chuck - you'll fit right in.
And they didn't check signatures.
The mail in ballot rejection rate in PA in 2020 is less than 4% of the mail in ballot rejection rate from 2016.
Prima facia evidence that ALL voter integrity checks were ignored.
People running the counts should go overboard demonstrating how cleanly things are being run. It is not too much to ask that the process Is impeccable and transparent.
In Michigan, I know there have been reports of dead people voting. One of these stories was "debunked" because they said the man's son had received two ballots- one for him and one for his dead father, he threw the one out for his dead father, and the clerk accidentally entered the vote on the wrong ballot.
Which actually leads to more questions. Michigan didn't- or wasn't supposed to- send out unrequested ballots. A dead guy shouldn't get the ballot. A ballot shouldn't be entered under the wrong name. But yeah. Fraud debunked.
I wonder how long it will take Biden to unwind all the middle east peace Trump created. And get us back into more war.
The Chi Coms benefit when Iran has the US tax payer by the short hairs - and the mad Mullahs are back to milking us and enriching uranium for their nukes. all while money flows to Clinton - Pelosi- Biden coffers.
Certainly the international grift between Democrats and Iran must be re-constituted.
Biden retaliates by making Schumer an ambassador (UN?, Israel?) so Cuomo can make AOC senator (a year older than Biden when he took his seat)
Nope. No way does the state of NY give up the power that comes with Senate Minority (or Majority) Leader. Better solution is to appoint Gillibrand to a cabinet post, then put AOC as the replacement senator.
That fixes Schumer's problem. He doesn't have to worry in 2 years when she was going to run against him. Gillibrand gets a higher profile post and she'll be able to rake in that sweet sweet money from K street. She's no longer just the junior senator from NY). She's setting policy for (insert agency here)!
they never mention how ungracious the Democrats were when Trump won in 2016. Did they ever concede that Trump won and stand back and acknowledge that he legitimately held the power of the presidency?
Are you forgetting that Hillary Clinton, Tim Kaine, and President Obama gave gracious concession speeches the day after Election Day? It's simply not true that Democrats didn't concede in 2016. They didn't even say we should wait for the recounts, and they didn't lie the way Trump and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy are doing when he says he's won the election.
The vote counting in GA and AZ were not and are not professional and transparent. Atlanta declined to even count votes until other results for the state were in because of a "water main break" (????) and Maricopa County in AZ not only refused to allow Republican observers but also turned away a contingent from the state legislature.
This is just the leftist editorial board trying to wishcast away scrutiny on all vote fraud that happened on Tuesday (and days after).
Oooh - they gave gracious concession speeches, after using a fake dossier to spy on his campaign and weaponize the intelligence agencies to destroy him based on "information" bought from Russian sources by Hillary Clinton.
But if they gave a nice concession speech, it's all good, and it counts as a "peaceful transition of power".
GTFOOH.
Are you forgetting that Hillary Clinton, Tim Kaine, and President Obama gave gracious concession speeches the day after Election Day?
Their show of graciousness has been addressed elsewhere in the comments.
You’re not a “critic” mr lifelong republicant you are a remnant. 93% of Republicans voted for Trump. That means only 7% feel like you do. So more Black men and women, more Hispanic men and women, and far more gay people have joined the Trump Train than join you in your remnancy. If “we” leave the party your remainder can join with Democrats as you prefer and we can causes with the Libertarians, who would be numerically superior to your asinine country club rethuglicanism. The biggest losers are you Jonah and Kristol so enjoy your true blue circle jerk asshole.
"They? The WSJ certainly conceded that Trump won. And Hillary Clinton did too."
"They" = the Democrats.
I don't think that's confusing.
Here come all those Republicans who'd rather lose like gentlemen than win like Trump. They'll earn great praise from the mainstream media. These Republicans always crave that kind of media validation though that same media would destroy them if they could. It's like the battered wife who stays with her husband even though he's beating her because she might believe that if she goes back and is nice to him he'll stop.
Toomey says he has seen no fraud. How the hell does he know?! They wouldn't let Republican observers in to watch the count. Repubs had to get a court order, but Toomey knows there's no fraud. "What a magnanimous fellow he is" says the media and Toomey will bask in that phony adulation. What a wuss!
I saw online a Yahoo story where Republicans are saying there is no basis for Trump's fraud talk. See, it's all starting. Republicans will fall in line like the wusses they are and the media will try to destroy them again in 2022 and 2024.
"I'm not quite ready to impugn the integrity of the civic minded grandmothers who volunteer at the polls."
That's the problem. You can't impugn the integrity of grannies...the Democrats would run them through a woodchipper to "win" an election
I have been lied to repeatedly for four plus years. Now I'm expected to just accept that what looks really, really, really suspicious is perfectly normal and that I should just accept it and move on.
They really do think I'm an idiot.
If the mail in ballot rejection rate in 2016 was 30x higher than in 2020, that is because there were voter integrity checks applied to those ballots in 2016. Those rejections would've been required by the laws governing mail in ballots established by the state legislature before 2016.
When did the state legislature vote to dismantle those checks to the point that reduced the rate of rejection by over 96%?
All those gracious concessions are forgotten after Hillary and her lie factory invented and planted the "Russian Collusion" BS.
Also forgotten is all the money that flowed to The Clinton family foundation while She was Obama's Secretary of State. From the Russians!
A lot of Obama's top people made a lot of international scratch. Just a happy coincidence.
is it any wonder the left have been in a non-stop state of hysterics over the last for 4 years? Their gravy train was interrupted! Gotta get back to normal. Normal = democrats get rich with corruption and we are not to know about it.
Barnes law had 7 indicators of fraud in this video:
https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2020/11/the-statistical-evidence-for-electoral.html?m=1
The 7 Indicators of Potential Fraud Per the above video of Barnes Law:
1. Sitting on ballots. Amazing how this was only done in contested cities that are Democratically Controlled. This way they see the needed margin and can give the needed votes.
2. Voting Turn Out Disparities. Unusual turn out in contested cities, compared to other comparable areas. There is very higher turn out compared to other cities that are his. Compare Cleveland Ohio to Milwaukee.
3. Unusual vote margins in these cities. Biden is getting a higher percentage of votes for Obama margins.
4. Historical Anomalies. More voters voting than registered.
5. Massive amounts of ballots being reported. Some areas had 200% turn out.
6. No evidence of over whelming voting in these areas physically in photos. Other comparable areas had below average turn out. African American voters are more excited in Milwaukee than Cleveland?
7. Ballots only with Biden's name on it, about 100,000 ballots. This is not happening in uncontested states. The reason is this way other candidates won't challenge the results.
Note - it was hard to figure out what the 7 items were, since he stopped saying the number after 4.
Unfortunately election fraud is hard to prove in court per the video.
John Althouse Cohen said...
Are you forgetting that Hillary Clinton, Tim Kaine, and President Obama gave gracious concession speeches the day after Election Day? It's simply not true that Democrats didn't concede in 2016. They didn't even say we should wait for the recounts, and they didn't lie the way Trump and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy are doing when he says he's won the election.
11/7/20, 10:40 AM
It does take insane arrogance to claim that Clinton and Obama were "gracious" in any respect about the 2016 election considering that their espionage and advanced lawfare against the President is a matter of public record. But then, that's why 70 million Americans are coming to the realization that not only will the lawyers fail to defend us, letting them prosper in any way is absolutely deleterious to the public.
Shakespeare was right.
steve said...
Toomey says he has seen no fraud. How the hell does he know?!
11/7/20, 10:46 AM
What's interesting about the left is that they continue to regard the Republican Party as hierarchical. That is, each rank listens to its leaders in a chain of command, all the way down to the base. The fact is that much of the Trump faction, that is the majority of the party, absolutely HATE their elite representatives. The opinion of Pat Toomey and Chris Christie mean nothing to them, assuming that the base fails to treat their advice as a negative recommendation.
They may as well highlight Judas as a Christian leader and follower of Jesus.
How The election fraud seems to have been done:
1. Voter harvesting - project Veritas showed this with Rep. Ilhan Omar in her primary.
2. Tossing military votes
3. Dead voting in Detroit
4. Non residents voting - 7,000+ In Nevada
5. Tossing Trump votes
6. Wholesale creation of ballots
7. Postmarking ballots with earlier date - project Veritas has reported.
8. Having people redo their mail in ballots due to “issues”.
9. Voter software glitches - that only big one way
10. Re-running ballots to increase the totals
Interesting video from Detroit, Michigan:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/11/voter-fraud-in-michigan.php
I wonder if Chuck knows Trisha Nesbitt.
Powerline I regard as moderate GOP, and VERY careful about what they post. I guess that is because the bloggers are all lawyers.
“As a former accountant, Larry is used to looking for "red flags" in audits, and needless to say he finds red flags aplenty in the vote counting. And don't bother reading his blog entry, and picking nits about this red flag or that red flag, or whether this one is disputed or that one is (allegedly) debunked. The issue isn't that all of them turn out to be correct. With that much smoke, there are fires burning somewhere.”
To summarize his argument: Auditors look for red flags. One here or there might be legitimate. Probably need to be investigated. Maybe But with every red flag detected, the odds go up that there was mischief (typically fraud) involved. Think about it this way, let’s assume that the events are randomly distributed, with a 50% chance of being advertence or inadvertence. For two events to be mere chance, the way to calculate it is to multiply the two probabilities of being mere chance together (1/2x1/2=1/4) and subtracting from unity (1-1/4=3/4) for the probability that the two events were fraudulent. Three events is 7/8, four is 15/16, etc. Same way, of course, you calculate the chances of runs of heads or tails when you flip a coin. You can, of course, use other percentages, but the technique works regardless. Larry listed a maybe a dozen or more red flags, none of which probably fell below 50% as indicating voter fraud, and the probability that fraud was involved approached unity.
“ Election results must be random and fit a specific pattern predicted by Benford's law. Human beings can not mimic randomness when they're stuffing ballot boxes. So, anyways, the results for West, Jorgensen and Trump are good. The results for Biden deviate substantially in Milwaukee, Philadelphia and, of course, Chicago.”
I actually think that it is possible, and suggest that several here could do it. The way I would do it would be to multiply the pseudo random number (0-1) generated by a random number generator with a random seed and suitably long term, by the percentage of votes you want for both or all, candidates. Making the down ballot races look legitimate is a bit trickier because you have to worry about the level of correlation. Still doable though. And, as a program, you only need to create it once. Of course, no one (probably) goes to that much trouble, and, instead here, we have stacks of Biden oNly ballots with no down ticket races marked (big red flag, of course, since most people dutifully mark at least the top couple races, at least). Besides, the Dems didn’t try for subtly this time, because they very likely didn’t expect to have to generate nearly as many fraudulent votes, as they ultimately had to (believing the biased polls more than they should have).
In fairness to the WSJ, the editorial DOES say that “Democrats never accepted mr. trump’s victory in 2016 and Hillary Clinton still prattles on that the Russians did it.” Then they go on to criticize the democrats and the media for pushing the Russia hoax. I thought the editorial demonstrated a lot of wisdom, actually.
Separate point: I fully support Trump in challenging the results and hope he wins. But he needs to get some respected lawyer to do the press conferences, like James Baker did in 2000.
Election results must be random and fit a specific pattern predicted by Benford's law.
No, they don't. Benford's law holds when there is a wide range of results and for power law distributions, and for some other things that are not explained. That it should hold in this case I regard as a weak argument and I wish people would stop making it. There are far better indicators of fraud in this election than Benford's law.
The sprig speaks:
It's simply not true that Democrats didn't concede in 2016.
Nor did they concede in 2017, 2018, 2019, or 2020.
Funny how amnesia works. Each day starts with a new history.
Clinton and Obama gave gracious concession speeches on Trump's win, all while working behind the scenes spying on Trumps' campaign and cooking up the Russian collusion and interference scheme. Where I'm from that's called grin fucking. Trump is man enough to call them out to their face and fight for what he believes is the truth. At this point there is nothing to concede. If Trump's challenges fail to prove wrong doing he will have helped establish the legitimacy of Biden's election. That is to the benefit of the nation. They should support and thank him in that effort.
"The vote counting in Arizona and Georgia has seemed professional and transparent. "
Arizona? yes.
Georgia?
No. Fulton County (Atlanta) told the Republican poll watchers that they were done for the night. After the Republican poll watchers left, the Democrat "vote counters" went back to work.
That's fraud, and the votes for Fulton County ALL need to be tossed, because no vote counted after the Republicans were lied into leaving can be considered valid.
Trump wins, Purdue wins, Loeffler is in a runoff
The delivery of a batch of votes all for Mr. Biden at one time can be explained by the practice of some jurisdictions to divide and report the votes of each candidate at different times.
Since there's no legitimate grounds for doing that, the story is a failure.
The votes in WI, MI, PA, and GA were utterly tainted by fraud. Either Trump must be declared the victor, or else those States must re-vote
If the Democrats get away with their theft, the Trump response should be simple: No transition
No one from the Executive Branch may talk to any person from the Biden team until Biden is sworn into office.
Neither Trump nor any other Republican should show up at the Biden inauguration.
If they want scorched Earth, that's what they should get
If they don't want scorched Earth, they should not have scorched the Earth by acting like they were stealing the election
"Whether Trump lost fair and square or was robbed is becoming a moot point. The system, the country, is more important then any one man.”
Anyone saying this is evil.
Readering said...
Thinking back to the "decently generous" (AA's words) concession speech Clinton gave in 2016.
Now, think back to the Obama Admin making sure that the FBI would be secretly sabotaging President Trump after he was inaugurated.
The go fuck yourself
The delivery of a batch of votes all for Mr. Biden at one time can be explained by the practice of some jurisdictions to divide and report the votes of each candidate at different times.
If you hadn't kicked out all of the GOP poll watchers at the same time we might believe you.
As it is the case that democrats forcibly removed republicans from counting stations while they were counting...
Fuck you.
War.
"The vote counting in Arizona and Georgia has seemed professional and transparent. "
Arizona yes.
Georgia professional?
Literally nobody actually believes this is true. If you are saying that you are an evil liar.
John Althouse Cohen said...
they never mention how ungracious the Democrats were when Trump won in 2016. Did they ever concede that Trump won and stand back and acknowledge that he legitimately held the power of the presidency?
Are you forgetting that Hillary Clinton, Tim Kaine, and President Obama gave gracious concession speeches the day after Election Day? It's simply not true that Democrats didn't concede in 2016.
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SNORT I guess you were in an induced coma while Hillary and the Dems spent the last four years claiming that Trump won because of Russian collusion and that Hillary was "really" the winner.
"gracious", my ass.
Except in Democratically Controlled areas / cities.
>>"The vote counting in Arizona and Georgia has seemed professional and transparent. "
>Arizona yes.
Mr. Biden will find that he has virtually no support. Not only will most of the GOP not offer any but the far left Progs will continue to riot and loot because America is a white patriarchy that must be destroyed. When revolution is your goal, half-measures aren't enough.
"The delivery of a batch of votes all for Mr. Biden at one time can be explained by the practice of some jurisdictions to divide and report the votes of each candidate at different times"
No chance for mischief there.
So then wouldn't have there a batch of 100% Trump voters coming in at a different time? There's no vertical line spike in the curve of the votes that came in for Trump, the way there is on Biden's curve when the pure-Biden batch came in. That excuse doesn't even begin to hold water.
>So yeah, super smooth transition from those two.
You're forgetting things like the "Sally Yates" stunt (i.e., an Obama appointees held over for a few months to ensure a smooth transition, per normal transition practice, boasting that she didn't follow her client's instructions and leaked attorney-client communications). And I'll note she *still* hasn't been punished by the D.C. bar.
Shouting Thomas said...
Mail in ballots have turned elections into exercises in fraud.
I don’t know if I’ll bother to vote again.
Why participate in this fraud?
I quit voting after the Al Franken debacle and have never regretted it.
The fact that North Carolina is still grey on the map tells you all you need to know about this election.
Oh so RINO Toomey "Sees no evidence of Fraud". I don't know what that means. How could Senator Toomey see "Fraud"? He'd have to do an analysis of the voting, review the voting rolls, and talk to the poll watchers. None of which he did.
we know there is massive fraud, but mysteriously the D's didn't videotape themselves changing ballots or committing voter fraud. Nor did anyone send out an email stating "Hey, we just committed fraud". So I guess there can NEVER be any evidence of Democrat Voter fraud. Right?
Why can't these Fucking RINO's just keep their damn mouths shut? If you don't wan't to help the R's keep the Presidency, then at least you can do is stop giving aid and comfort to the enemy. No doubt Mittens is or already has stated his "Full confidence in the Pennsylvania vote" We can always trust Mittens to lie to help the D's.
Twitter is going insane, and is censoring or posting "Warning labels" on every Trump tweet about the stolen election. Even when Trump speaks the truth about the fraudulent voting in Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta, and Pennsylvania, tWitter is saying that these "facts are disputed". Joe said he had put together the "greatest fraud organization, ever". And this time, Joe was telling the truth.
As for Roberts, its obvious that he was a secret Liberal put on the Court by Bush II. whether its ACA, Campaign finance, Pennsylvania late voting, Abortion, etc. on EVERY crucial issue he joins the liberals and stabs the Conservatives/Republicans in the back. Bush I gave us Souter, Bush II gave us Roberts. We need to see the end of the Bush family in R Politics.
BTW, Gulliani had a wonderful press conference and handled it wonderfully. You couldn't hear the Press "questions" only his answers, and he only took a set number. That's the way to handle them.
BTW, we will now see the end of the CV-19 Press hysteria. Joe might be President, and we don't want any bad news to hurt him. Look for the USA to suddenly become a happy land full of healthy smiling citizens, cheering on our new leader.
There is nothing reassuring about Georgia and Arizona.. and Pennsylvania and Michigan are horrifying,
All th legal votes should be counted. All the illegal votes should be thrown out.
Once that is done, let's see what happens..
Sorry, I don't believe any vote counting that takes multiple days is professional.Hire the number of people required to conduct the vote on time. In NYC we have scanners that read the paper ballots. How long does it take employees to push ballots through scanners. The outer envelope with signatures can be examined prior to election day.Each counting stations should have a member hired by Republican and one by Democrat.Even better make vote by mail very rare - only for military and disabled. We were told in person voting was unsafe, only to see long lines for early voting.Change election day to Sunday or Saturday and do away with the shenanigans like early voting and vote by mail.
Even when Trump speaks the truth about the fraudulent voting in Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta, and Pennsylvania
Are you sure all of the information you believe is "the truth." For example, I keep reading about suspicious record turnouts in Milwaukee. That is fake news. Milwaukee's voter turnout was flat.
Why can't these Fucking RINO's just keep their damn mouths shut?
I think the GOP is just trying to do a better job than their democratic counterparts in counteracting the conspiracy minded fringe. They are grown-ups and I applaud them. I wish Pelosi et al would have behaved similarly about the pee tape, etc.
It may or may not be appropriate for Trump to "graciously concede" when/if his legal recourse is exhausted, but Democrats and liberal media and celebrities and Never Trumpers who formed "The Resistance" the day after he won in 2016 have no standing whatsoever to say a word about it.
btw--for D. D Driver at 2:13 pm... my son and his fiancee were Trump poll watchers in Milwaukee and around midnight or so, they were told that there would be no more counting that night and to go back to their hotel. That precinct was part of the big vote dumps that happened that night, before the time they were told to return.
we will now see the end of the CV-19 Press hysteria. Joe might be President, and we don't want any bad news to hurt him
The Democrat Curriculum Vitae of 2019.
As with Obama before him. For example, you won't recall the daily death counts during Obama's wars, nor the collateral damage at both ends of the bridge and throughout. Leftists are primarily Pro-Choice, don't care about human rights, wars, terrorism, human suffering, diversity and exclusion, and civil rights (recall the rape-rape movement to socially justify selective-child or wicked solution a.k.a. reproductive rites and clinical cannibalism a la Planned Parenthood). Then again, they did benefit from reducing Obamacares roles ("burdens") in Planned Parent facilities, which accounted for nearly 1/2 of the deaths attributed to Covid-19.
I don’t know if I’ll bother to vote again.
I've already unregistered. My vote never mattered in Washington state - at any level - but I'll be damned if I'm going to continue to participate in a rigged system.
The left obviously doesn't want things settled at the ballot box. So be it.
Chuck, Biden's election results fail the Benford Test in Milwaukee, Chicago and Philadelphia. I'm not a statistician, so I only have a very rough idea what this means. I don't think that this is proof of illegality. Instead, I think the test identified pockets of votes that merit more careful inspection. I don't believe that the Democrats tossed boxes of ballots into Lake Michigan or stuffed the voting boxes with tens of thousands of phony ballots or hired homeless people to cast repeated illicit votes or whatever. All I'm saying is that something interesting happened and, if we can physically verify the accuracy of vote totals, we should do so.
D.D. Driver said...
Why can't these Fucking RINO's just keep their damn mouths shut?
I think the GOP is just trying to do a better job than their democratic counterparts in counteracting the conspiracy minded fringe. They are grown-ups and I applaud them
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"conspiracy-minded"???
What the fuck would you call Operation Crossfire Hurricane, the Steele Dossier crap, the Mueller sham investigation, the "whistleblowers" who lied in public and said the opposite when they were under oath in hearings, the Hunter Biden vow of omerta taken by the MSM?
We'll see how much you applaud them when you're boiling your Nikes for supper in about three years.
Are you forgetting that Hillary Clinton, Tim Kaine, and President Obama gave gracious concession speeches the day after Election Day?
Yeah. Let's just ignore the four years of screaming, treachery, lying, weaponizing, spying and a myriad of other things you leftist thugs did and focus on a couple, stupid speeches.
You have your own blog, right? Maybe you should fuck off over there instead.
I'd be interested to know what somebody like Jonathan Althouse Cohen believes he has won with the theft of this election.
Yeah, you disagree with the premise because reasons; I get that.
But there is no explanation for the number of ballots counted for Biden in just four cities.
This election is stolen.
Do you think we Deplorables will now go along with your plans for us?
With AOC's plans to blacklist us?
With your preferred party's plans to suppress religious expression and free speech?
To guarantee outcomes and not opportunity?
What victory do you imagine?
There's news stories coming out that there was supposedly a software "error" that flipped Trump votes to Biden votes in 30 states. Also reported was an unknown software "patch" applied.
Blogger D.D. Driver said...
Are you sure all of the information you believe is "the truth." For example, I keep reading about suspicious record turnouts in Milwaukee. That is fake news. Milwaukee's voter turnout was flat.
Milwaukee county is not reporting any ward results that I can find, so I can't directly contradict that article.
However, this article says your article is garbage:
https://mkecitywire.com/stories/564495243-analysis-seven-milwaukee-wards-report-more-2020-presidential-votes-than-registered-voters-biden-nets-146k-votes-in-city
The City of Milwaukee reported record turnout of 84 percent Tuesday; 243,144 of 288,833 registered city voters cast a ballot.
Biden defeated Trump in Milwaukee 195,034 to 48,110, a margin of 145,916. He won 80 percent of the city’s total vote.
Of the city’s 327 voting wards, 90 reported turnout of greater than 90 percent; 201 reported turnout higher than 80 percent.
In 2016, city voter turnout was 75 percent.
9% of 288,833 is an increase of 26k votes
Biden "won" WI by 20,558 votes, which means that increase is greater than the margin of "victory"
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