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November 18, 2020

At the Sunset Café...

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Sally327 said...: I liked HSB at the time but never been interested in watching it again.

That's how I decide on my favorites, do I want to watch again. Breaking Bad, for example, I thought was really well done, very compelling TV, but I don't really want to watch again.; 11/19/20, 12:09 AM
narciso said...: Indeed, its too dark, the saul goodman series delivers a little of that without giing overboard. Its a prequel of sorts.; 11/19/20, 12:12 AM
Freeman Hunt said...: "donald said...
"I met the most beautiful girl ever just walking down the beach Freeman Hunt. Changed my life"

That's excellent!; 11/19/20, 12:23 AM
Achilles said...: I just watched a war documentary on Netflix that ran through the last 6 months of one of the undefendable outposts in Afghanistan. I can't remember the name and if I had Netflix it would be easy to find. Orlando Bloom was the First Commander that died.

Almost everything in it was pretty accurate to what it is like over there. Some long interviews at the end.

Of course they had the stupid apache helicopter dive bombings as if those things need to be less than a mile away. They don't. There were bodies that were too close to the craters at the end and the bodies were all intact. A lot less burning than you actually see.

You can tell they really tried.

The thing they did best was to capture the human interactions.

After watching it I want everyone in the US to see that movie. People would understand a little better why we are so angry all the time.; 11/19/20, 12:25 AM
Churchy LaFemme: said...: Yes, Rogue One is the movie that puts "War" into "Star Wars". Not at all typical of the series, but very good.; 11/19/20, 12:25 AM
Achilles said...: They would also know why if things go to shit the first people to go in DC are going to be the Generals.; 11/19/20, 12:27 AM
Churchy LaFemme: said...: And One Waits There For You..; 11/19/20, 12:29 AM
Gospace said...: Vikn said...
I am ok with wearing a mask. It might decrease the viral load that you will get from a sick person or release into the world. Lesser load might make it easier for your immune system to fight it off...

Mistake 1- mask decreases your viral load. It might conv=ceivably cause you get an initial lower dose- but what happens after that? You've got viruses and bacteria in your nasal passages- all the time, every day. Some infectious, some not. If you wear a mask constantly- you breathe out. Now normally, when you breathe out- all the viruses/bacteria that you breathe out are dispersed into the air, and you don't breathe them back in. Now- wear a mask. You breathe out. Most viruses/bacteria are attached to water vapor- which you breathe out with every breath. Now what do cloth and paper do? They suck up moisture! Which, in your exhalations, contain a mixture of viruses and bacteria! The viruses and bacteria don't travel through the cloth- after that's the whole idea behind wearing them- to stop viruses and bacteria from travelling through them! And where will most of these viruses and bacteria be caught in your hunid exhalations? Right on the inner surface of the mask. Now- you breathe in again. Or die, it's one or the other. And- a significant portion of those viruses and bacteria you just breathed out- what happens to them? Well, you breathe them right back in! They're not glued to that surface- they got caught there, and can be released with pressure/flow in the opposite direction. So- they renter your body. Ultimately, repeated time after time, from the Cleveland clinic: "The normal respiration rate for an adult at rest is 12 to 20 breaths per minute.". So in an an hour of mask wearing, that viral load you would have shed- which would have been diluted in the air, reenters your body 720-1299 times. You have vastly increased your viral load.

Two of my sons and my grandson spent a few days at a hotel where we had to wear a mask except when eating or in the pool/waterslide area...where they had the hot tun=bs closed because of social distancing. Hot tubs- highly chlorinated hot water- closed to prevent virus spread by order of the health department... because you'll be too close.. Make any sense to you? Didn't make any to me. Anyway, somewhere along the way- we were exposed to a bacteria that generates a sinus infection. How do I know this? The three adults all came down with sinus infections. Which- IMHO, is solely because we were wearing masks except in the pool/waterslide area, and were rebreathing the bacteria- increasing our viral load. I practice nasal irrigation every day. Cleans out my sinuses. I use xyiltol in the rinse- it kills bacteria and viruses. My kids don't do this. It wasn't enough- one of the worst sinus infections I've had in a while.

But go ahead and believe mask wearing reduces your viral load- when it doesn't.

Funny how SD is managing to have most of it's people keep living when freedom loving governor Kristi Noem has issued no mandatory mask orders and no mandatory shut downs and no mandatory social distancing. She's allowed americans to do what they've always done- manage their own personal risks, and make their own personal judgements. And use their own common sense! It's almost as if the vulnerable, knowing they are vulnerable- will stay in and isolate, and the ones who will survive will take the risk of living a normal life. It's truly amazing how people do that.

Noem/somebody else- 2024. Maybe even Trump! I could see him now taking an active role as President of the Senate. Wouldn't that be fun!?; 11/19/20, 1:01 AM
Gospace said...: Forgot to mention- the principal behind many backwashing filters is- you catch the contaminant, and after a period of time- you send flow backwards through the filter and dump the contaminants. With a mask- you catch and backwash with every breath- but you're not dumping the contaminants- the bacteria and viruses. You're breathing them right back in. I have a backwashing filter for large particles before my water enters my main filters and softener. I flush it once a week.; 11/19/20, 1:06 AM
Drago said...: Rt1Rebel: "I'm not keen on war movies either Sally. I find them watchable, because there's usually plenty of action, but mostly unremarkable other than from a historical perspective."

"In Harms Way" is outstanding.; 11/19/20, 1:16 AM
J. Farmer said...: Maybe even Trump! I could see him now taking an active role as President of the Senate. Wouldn't that be fun!?

What does “ taking an active role as President of the Senate” mean?; 11/19/20, 1:21 AM
Gospace said...: J. Farmer said...
Maybe even Trump! I could see him now taking an active role as President of the Senate. Wouldn't that be fun!?

What does “ taking an active role as President of the Senate” mean?

That's actually a good question, No VP has ever taken an active role as President of the Senate except to break a tie vote I was going to say on the few rare occasions, but apparently, it's not rare. From Wikipedia: According to the U.S. Senate, as of December 21, 2018, a tie-breaking vote had been cast 268 times by 36 vice presidents.. 268 occasions by 36 vice-presidents is actually kind of the definition of not rare.

What is the role of the President of the Senate? Thisis the explantion of the role of the Presdent Pro Tempore of the Senate. Looks like the VP could wreak havoc on the day to day operation of the senate if he or she takes an active role. Especially of the opposing party held the majority.; 11/19/20, 1:37 AM
Qwinn said...: Wayne County MI Republican election commissioners are f'ing heroes for taking on the unhinged leftist mob that threatened them to certify or else. Signed affidavits regarding the threats and deception used to get them to initially certify. Hope they sue the crap out of them.

Gives me hope, this does.

Leftist commenters odd absence tonight is noted. Remember when I brought this matter up yesterday, Chuck immediately attempted to have it moderated away as off topic to the thread, when my whole point was outrage that it wasn't the top story in the country?

I bet it might be tomorrow.; 11/19/20, 1:39 AM
Readering said...: The county was certified. End of story.; 11/19/20, 2:05 AM
J. Farmer said...: @Gospace:

Looks like the VP could wreak havoc on the day to day operation of the senate if he or she takes an active role. Especially of the opposing party held the majority.

I'm not so sure of that. The Senate was designed so as not to be a majoritarian body compared to the House of Representatives, hence the Speaker of the House has much more power than the President Pro Tempore. The Senate makes the rules, and the role of the presiding officer is pretty limited to procedural matters.; 11/19/20, 2:13 AM
Achilles said...: Readering said...

The county was certified. End of story.

Once they got away from your democrat thugs and got their families safe they rescinded their votes and filed affidavits attesting to coercion.

You can cry all you want. The Michigan election is not going to be certified. Unless you want to do it without Wayne County which is fine by us.

You and your violent asshole friends are going to lose.; 11/19/20, 2:22 AM
gadfly said...: For a change, I listened to the opening tirade from Sean Hannity about the Georgia recount which resulted in a reduction of Biden's margin from 14,065 votes down to 12,781 after a hand recount of 5 million votes. The changes occurred in four counties where ballots were found in boxes containing a total of 5,983 votes that were never scanned or which had been tabulated but memory cards had not been not submitted to the Secretary of State. Sean made a big deal about a box of ballots in Dekalb County that was marked 13 votes Trump and 10,000 votes Biden but underneath the total votes submitted showed 1,105 - the recount found 1,103 ballots. Yes Trump only go 13 votes from this box of 1,103 in Blue Atlanta. Amazingly, the largest number of improperly handled ballots came from Red counties but polling places turned out to be well-run by the Republicans for the entire state but Sean never noticed.; 11/19/20, 2:31 AM
Chris N said...: As to Kevin Williamson and the never Trumpers:

My best take is that it’s more to do with loss: The loss of a melting pot, more religious, more patriotic majority America which held together the libertarian/conservative coalitions and various competing factions of the post-war Buckley Republican Party.

This allowed many veils to drop once Trump was nominated, and pitted the NASCAR and working base against the cosmopolitan global elite.

Praying to an open sky right where a building once stood...; 11/19/20, 2:51 AM
readering said...: Achilles,if you turn out to be wrong about Michigan will you finally stfu? No, because you are a troll.; 11/19/20, 3:08 AM
Qwinn said...: How surprised am I that readering believes that doxxing children, threats and coercion are perfectly legitimate means of attaining what he wants?

This much ---> .

Will I be surprised that every leftist everywhere will agree with that?

I'd only be surprised if a single leftist anywhere disagreed.

Because you are all literally Nazis.; 11/19/20, 3:12 AM
StephenFearby said...: Why would Democrats in Pennsylvania have to stoop to this kind of harassment?

NY Post November 18, 2020 | 8:55pm

Trump campaign lawyer under protection following ‘threats of harm’
November 18, 2020 | 8:55pm

One of President Trump’s campaign lawyers in Pennsylvania was placed under official protection following threats against her, according to court papers filed Wednesday evening.

Philadelphia lawyer Linda Kerns “has been the subject of threats of harm, to the point at which the involvement of police and US Marshals has been necessary to provide for her safety,” the filing says.

The stunning revelation came two days after Kerns, a solo practitioner, sought sanctions against a lawyer from the firm representing Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar for leaving her an “abusive voicemail” on Saturday night.

Kerns also said in court papers Monday that she’d “been subjected to continuous harassment in the form of abusive emails, phone calls, physical and economic threats, and even accusations of treason — all for representing the President of the United States’ campaign in this litigation.”

Later Monday, Kerns sought permission to quit the case, in which Trump’s campaign is challenging his projected loss to Joe Biden in the crucial Keystone State.

The move came after Williamsport, Penn., federal Judge Matthew Brann on Friday allowed the firm of Porter, Wright, Morris & Arthur to withdraw from the case after it came under attack by the anti-Trump group The Lincoln Project.

Brann also let two Texas lawyers who were subsequently hired by Trump’s campaign withdraw on Monday, just hours after they officially joined the case.

https://nypost.com/2020/11/18/trump-campaign-lawyer-under-protection-after-threats-of-harm/; 11/19/20, 3:41 AM
Big Mike said...: Ouch. We just got an Amazon package delivered and our doorbell rung at 4:15 am. Christmas season just got real.; 11/19/20, 3:42 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: Rogue One was dope. The video, connecting it's end to the beginning of a new hope, is even better though.

And The Macho Response is even better than that: check it out.

Finding cool shit is what I do,...; 11/19/20, 3:46 AM
BUMBLE BEE said...: The fecal contamination aspect of mask usage mentioned upthread reminds me of a study done at LaGuardia Airport that I mention often on this blog. It showed %50 of men and women don't wash their hands after using the toilet. Fidgeting mask users would be one cause of fecal contamination.; 11/19/20, 4:47 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: I posted a little clip of Shirley MacLaine, on the Oprah show, to remind you guys of what the nation got for 30 years - in case you think things have gotten weird.; 11/19/20, 5:09 AM
Humperdink said...: Spouse orders 4 empty glass gallon jugs and glass caps from Amazon via UPS. Package arrives with 2 gallon jugs, no caps and few pieces of broken glass. Package was obviously opened and resealed. UPS has apparently already started hiring their seasonal help.; 11/19/20, 5:13 AM
Jaq said...: The authors are honest about the major limitations of their study: the study was conducted at a time when much of the country had some form of lockdown, limiting exposures outside of the household, and was not powered to detect smaller than 50% efficacy.

Other problems, the entire household did not wear masks outside, so that if anybody in the household brought it home, the mask wearer was defenseless. More mask wearers reported COVID in their households, but since household members were not tested, it’s very likely that asymptomatic household cases were higher than reported, spreading cases when the mask wearing participants were not wearing masks.

"Mistake 1- mask decreases your viral load. It might conv=ceivably cause you get an initial lower dose- but what happens after that?”

Twice as many non mask wearers ended up seeking medical attention as mask wearers. This could just be a quirk, but given the low resolution of the study, so could anything it reports.

Anyway, your body has some extra time to ramp up its immune system. Yeah, that’s what happens. Severity of viral infections are correlated to the initial dose.

The problem with all of your imagined gotchas is that studies of mask mandates have been done on live populations will all of the weaknesses in usage that you describe, and yet the mask mandates still slow the spread of the virus.

The Danish study is worse than useless. It serves only to muddy the water and tells us nothing new. From early on the message about masks has been that it’s a two layer effect, that it lowers the spread of virus into the air from people who don’t even know they have COVID, and lowers the intake of the virus that gets past the mask by people who are not infected but in the vicinity of infected people who, like I said, don’t know they are infected.; 11/19/20, 6:17 AM
Jaq said...: " Outside a limited frame of time and space, they encourage asymptomatic fecal transmission and cross-contamination.”

So? The same can be said of underwear. Is your point that you are too stupid to wear a mask properly? Everybody knows they have to be changed.; 11/19/20, 6:24 AM
Jaq said...: The Danish study shows exactly what I predicted it would show- no statistical difference.

Really? For somebody who pretends to understand math, you sure seem kind of dense when it comes to issues of statistics. There was no statistical significance because the number of cases was too small. The study was not designed to show any effect smaller than 50% reduction. The best that it can show is that the effect is less than a 50% reduction in the case where the mask wearer is the only person in the household wearing a mask, and he only wears it outside.

Face it, you are not looking at the study objectively, you so badly want the study to prove that your fear or emotional distress or whatever it is about masks that puts you off is justified, when in fact it does no such thing. It does show that masks do not have magical powers, but we already knew that.; 11/19/20, 6:33 AM
iowan2 said...: readering at 3:08, answer your own question.; 11/19/20, 6:49 AM
iowan2 said...: Is your point that you are too stupid to wear a mask properly? Everybody knows they have to be changed.

Nursing homes are death traps because masks are the answer, and mask protocol is practiced and enforced by trained staff. Health care staffing is short because why? They are pros that wear masks. Those areas most at risk are doing no better than the population in general.

Nobody has any answers to protect the vulnerable, so we spend a crazy amount of energy obsessing about schools, where risk is non existent.; 11/19/20, 6:58 AM
Jaq said...: Infections have fallen in nursing homes, whose residents are particularly vulnerable to the virus, while cases have increased among young people, who are healthier and more likely to survive, he said.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-09/covid-19-coronavirus-survival-rate-improves

I am not going to google all over for you, but it should be obvious to you that the whole nursing home dynamic has turned around just by the lower death rate of the virus, and it’s not due to everybody being dead already. You guys sure like to focus on what was done, known, and believed six months ago vs what we have learned in the mean time.; 11/19/20, 7:30 AM
Rusty said...: readering said...
"Achilles,if you turn out to be wrong about Michigan will you finally stfu? No, because you are a troll."
The irony. I'm laughing out loud. LOL as the kids say.

"Once they got away from your democrat thugs and got their families safe they rescinded their votes and filed affidavits attesting to coercion."
Which happens to be true.
Now will you finally stfu?; 11/19/20, 7:35 AM
Jaq said...: Biden plans to slap a $34 billion dollar tax on gun owners. Thanks John Roberts! Prohibitive taxes sure look like an “infringement” of a right to me.

I hope they are listening in Georgia to what the Democrats plan to do if they take the Senate and Biden wins.; 11/19/20, 7:50 AM
Tina Trent said...: Another vote for Sessions in the Senate. Instead of that open borders jock who slithered in.

Know how it really happened? A coalition of powerful but sort of stupid hard Christian Right funders got bamboozled by some leftist defense attorney types playing libertarian while promising to "reform" the GOPe, using promises of magical kumbaya with minorities and new prominence in the inner circles. Just sign away your you know what.

Alabama got hit harder than Georgia, but it's the same geographic cabal.

I could name names, Mike, but what difference does it make now, as it were. The open borders crew took out Sessions via serial stupidity, with a big stupid assist from Trump. And guess what? "White privilege" struggle sessions didn't disappear, nor, curiously, did the GOPe and their corruption.

But let's blame some machines.; 11/19/20, 9:47 AM
Jaq said...: ZeroHedge has a pretty good explanation of why, even if lockdowns “work” they don’t work, which is pretty much exactly what I have been saying.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/covid-feedback-loop; 11/19/20, 12:06 PM