Althouse: At the Sunrise Café...

September 17, 2020

At the Sunrise Café...

... you can write about anything you like.

41 comments:

mandrewa said...: Anton Petrov: We probably live inside a tiny dark matter halo; 9/17/20, 7:35 PM
Mark said...: The story of a man's desire and need for redemption.

They found the book on The First People, which describes a device that they call the "vacuum," of which Peter is the final, vital piece.; 9/17/20, 7:59 PM
Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...: "... Gingrich, who did nothing but point out the accurate information that George Soros proudly and openly funded District Attorney (DA) races across the country, was silenced. For a reason.
Why don’t they want people knowing this, right now?

... many of these DAs are going to be involved in the election dispute process after November 3rd, we’ve seen it already in the past year when a Surf City DA recused himself after one of his prosecutors spoke at a candidate’s rally."

https://thenationalpulse.com/politics/kassam-reveals-fox-soros-debate/; 9/17/20, 8:23 PM
stevew said...: There's a bit of chill in the air, and the mornings are noticeably brisk.

Very few new cases in ME, no deaths recently, and yet the schools are still following a hybrid model.

The average age of the visitors to my local coastal Maine resort town has risen by 15 or 20 years. I dutifully wear a mask when out and in relative proximity to others; take it off when no one is nearby, which is often. I may be imagining this but most of us look at each other sheepishly when we pass with our masks on. I initiate a greeting to everyone as we pass. The women return the greeting. Mrs. stevew does the same but observes that it is the men that usually speak back to her.

People are strange.; 9/17/20, 8:24 PM
Almaron Dickinson said...: I just watched the Biden CNN townhall - - just to see if it would be what I expected - - a slow-pitch softball event. Actually, it was more like a T-ball event. Easy questions, vague and general answers, lots of friendly suggestions from Anderson Cooper about what Trump has said or done and asking for Biden's comments. No push back at all. Very few self-identified Republican questioners. One lady pushed him on the likely effect of his environmental agenda on her farming business. Biden was largely non-responsive in his answer, other than to interrupt her to deny that the "green new deal" is part of his platform.

The whole event felt largely like a rehearsed play.; 9/17/20, 8:27 PM
Lawrence Person said...: is China backing Antifa/BLM?; 9/17/20, 8:27 PM
Guildofcannonballs said...: Trump rally in WI live now.

New haircut.

Mentioned Barry Alvarez.; 9/17/20, 8:34 PM
Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...: is there anything that can be done about the low number of Covid
cases from Nashville's bars and restaurants?; 9/17/20, 8:35 PM
BrianE said...: There is much being made about comments President Trump made during an interview by Bob Woodward in March about what the President privately said versus publicly stated. It's not clear what the President could have said that would have made a material difference in the outcome since early estimates of potential deaths ranged from 100,000 to 2.2 million.
And legal experts were saying the President didn't have the authority to order a national stay at home order.
Plus health experts at WHO and CDC were telling Americans not wear masks.
Here's a short timeline of events:
Jan 14 WHO declares no human transmissions of the novel coronavirus within the country (China) yet
Jan 22 China and WHO finally admit human transmission
Jan 31 President Trump restricts travel from China
Feb 1 formed President Task Force on covid19. VP Pence is chairman
Feb 29 First known death in US reported in Washington state (subsequently a Ca. resident is reported to have covid died on Feb 6. There is speculation that covid had begun spreading in China much earlier than they admitted.)
March 9 Italy orders lockdown
March 11 Trump restricts travel from EU
March 13 President declares a national emergency ("Legal experts have said Trump doesn’t have the authority to impose a national lockdown as the heads of countries such as Italy, Spain, France and Britain have done.")
March 19 California issues first stay at home order
March 23 Inslee orders stay at home. By the end of March, 42 states had ordered similar orders. 8 states-Arkansas, Iowa, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Utah and Wyoming did not, although some did order various restrictions later on.
March 31 CNN headline: WHO stands by recommendation to not wear masks if you are not sick or not caring for someone who is sick
Woodward interview in March
Fauci recently tells Fox he 'didn't get any sense' that Trump 'was distorting anything' about coronavirus
So while the President didn't make statements about how serious the virus could be, he was acting early on to mitigate the effects in the US.
And what exactly could the President have said early on? Remember the death estimates were between 100,000 and 2.2 million. We really knew very little about what the effects were going to be.
If you look at the outcome of states that implemented early stay at home orders compared to states that didn't, you'll find little difference in outcomes.
Compare the death/million numbers:
25 Arkansas 381/m
26 Cailifornia 369/1m
34 Washington 264/1m
37 North Dakota 232/1m
38 Oklahoma 230/1m
39 Nebraska 225/1m
40 South Dakota 217/1m
43 Utah 136/1m
48 Wyoming 79/1m
Or compare the confirmed case fatality rate:
22 Washington 2.42%
31 California 1.91%
37 Iowa 1.62%
38 Arkansas 1.61%
42 Oklahoma 1.28%
Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Wyoming and Utah all rates 1.12% or less
So if you compare states that instituted early stay at home orders vs those that issued orders later or not at all, there isn't indication the early states fared better.; 9/17/20, 8:54 PM
Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...: does anyone here know how to operate a postal machine?

...you know the thing where you mail in your ballots?; 9/17/20, 9:19 PM
Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...: Epic: Princeton Declares Itself Racist,
Betsy Devos Immediately Opens an Investigation Into Their Racism

another fine SJW product from ACME. Meep Beep!!

shadenfreudelicious!; 9/17/20, 9:25 PM
Mark said...: Walter has realized that he fell prey to Fauxlivia's vagenda.

Out loud funny.; 9/17/20, 9:33 PM
Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...: not "the heart-attack gun", or "Covid"--

...will they yank Joe Basement cuz he's officially listed as a criminal suspect in a Ukranian court ?

"Dementia" is the new "Vinny the Chin" schtick?; 9/17/20, 9:37 PM
narciso said...: Dejavu

https://mobile.twitter.com/LukeMor19529310/status/1263400656762634240; 9/17/20, 9:42 PM
traditionalguy said...: Where ever Mosinee, Wisconsin is, the crowd got the full Trump speech professionally delivered tonight. The man absorbs energy from the crowds who support him. Village people’s YMCA song is playing now with an energy like Trump has.; 9/17/20, 9:50 PM
narciso said...: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nasdaq.com/articles/ukraine-court-orders-privatbank-to-pay-back-%2524350-mln-to-foreign-companies-2020-09-02%3famp; 9/17/20, 9:52 PM
William said...: There's an article in The New Yorker by Alex Ross entitled "Classical music and white supremacy". The repertoire of symphonic orchestras doesn't include enough or even any black composers. The writer thinks that we must make efforts to rectify this....I'm not knowledgeable about music, classical or otherwise, but it doesn't seem to me that Blacks are underachievers in the field of music. Maybe they're underrepresented in the field of classical music because they're not interested in classical music. Why does every field have to include Blacks in order to be inclusive. So far as I know, there are no great Black stars in the Olympic sport of curling, but I don't think this is a result of racial bias......The canon of classical music is overrepresented with Italians, Germans, and Austrians. These were the Axis powers during WWII. Coincidence? I think not. Perhaps the classical canon would be strengthened if we dropped the Big B's, Mozart, and all those hysterical Italians and paid a little more attention to composers from the non-fascist countries. Black composers would feel encouraged in such an environment and would soon join in and bring about the re-birth of classical music.; 9/17/20, 10:31 PM
Yancey Ward said...: mandrewa said...

"Anton Petrov: We probably live inside a tiny dark matter halo"

It's cobwebs, all the way down!; 9/17/20, 10:50 PM
walter said...: Multi-cultural!
Click Donate and read italics; 9/17/20, 10:58 PM
walter said...: Pussy Protects You; 9/17/20, 11:01 PM
Wandering Badger said...: Documentary about what the progressives, et. al. have done to Denver, the Queen City of the Rocky Mountain West This is what "Californication" looks like. "Denver in Decay" movie created by the local talk-radio (AM710) hosts and friends.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAbF2bKo2Fs

The future for more cities.; 9/17/20, 11:07 PM
Quaestor said...: It's been super-fashionable lately to confess the sin of systemic racism/white privilege without having to be explicit as to what one actually means by systemic racism or white privilege. (If there's white privilege, isn't there also black privilege, i.e. so-called affirmative action, like getting into Harvard with an 800 SAT or garnering a federal government contract based on melanin rather than performance?)

Thanks to Christopher Eisgruber's confession it looks like Princeton has stepped on a Title IX landmine that will either blow the institution's financial feet to smithereens or force President Eisgruber to confess once more -- to major-league bullshitting.

Trump is Heaven's Ernst Stavro Blofeld. It will be worth re-electing him just to watch this investigation play out.; 9/17/20, 11:26 PM
gpm said...: Don't remember where I picked up the reference, but just started reading George's (such a nice name!) How Dead Languages Work, which starts with a discussion of Ancient Greek. Early on, there's an extended discussion of a passage in Thucydides about the perversion of language in the strife between the parties (isn't mentioned there, but I believe the Greek word for the strife was "stasis") on Corcyra (now Corfu). The focus in the book is on the difficulties in translating the passage from Thucydides. But, holy sh!t, the distortion in established language and understanding sounds so familiar.

Nothing new under the sun?

--gpm; 9/18/20, 1:26 AM
NYC JournoList said...: The knives are out for Joe Rogan. The woke at Spotify are restless.
https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-rogan-podcast-forest-fire-portland-left-antifa-activists-debunked-2020-9; 9/18/20, 4:14 AM
Ann Althouse said...: Here's a working link for that Joe Rogan thing: here.; 9/18/20, 6:05 AM
Kevin said...: Ricky Rebel’s MAGA YMCA parody 2.0

That should get your morning off on the right foot!; 9/18/20, 6:18 AM
tim maguire said...: Ann Althouse said...Here's a working link for that Joe Rogan thing: here.

And they're still working the fake "debunked" line:

Joy Krawczyk, a representative for the Oregon Department of Forestry, told The New York Times "we're not seeing any indications of a mass politically influenced arson campaign."

Denial of "mass campaign" magically becomes "never happened."

And those videos of people deliberately setting fires or caught wandering around white neighborhoods with matches--who you gonna believe? Snopes or your own lying eyes?; 9/18/20, 6:23 AM
tim maguire said...: Quaestor said...
It's been super-fashionable lately to confess the sin of systemic racism/white privilege without having to be explicit as to what one actually means by systemic racism or white privilege

My biggest issue is with the language used to describe the situation. A privilege is something nobody should have, but the things they describe as "white privilege" are things everybody should have. That choice of negative framing--what's normal and what's aberrant--feeds societal division and puts the focus the opposite of where it should be. They don't want to make black lives better, they want to make white lives worse.; 9/18/20, 6:27 AM
rehajm said...: There was a democrat plant asking questions...I mean in addition to Anderson Cooper; 9/18/20, 6:41 AM
Temujin said...: Well...people have been arrested for starting fires up there. And some of them have been on video. No- we don't know the extent of it, and I am sure that nature had a lot to do with these fires. Piles and piles of deadwood & dried brush + lightning = fires. Poor forest management (or no forest management) will do that. But knowing that, and seeing a chance to create more havoc while knowing your media buddies will roll out the 'Climate Change/Trump's fault' commentaries, is an attraction no anarchist could pass up.

This clearly would be right up Antifa's alley. So seeing some of them setting fires on video is not surprising.; 9/18/20, 6:42 AM
Professional lady said...: I'm withholding my judgment for now on whether any of the arsonists were left wing activists. However, given the arson in the cities, why would that be implausible? Why should I believe the FBI or the media? Neither has any credibility.; 9/18/20, 6:57 AM
stlcdr said...: Kevin said...
Ricky Rebel’s MAGA YMCA parody 2.0

That should get your morning off on the right foot!

9/18/20, 6:18 AM

I had no idea whether this was pro trump or anti trump, or whatever the intention was. Just watched it with no bias. It is pretty good fun.

After following up it seems the leftists are absolutely furious over it. What is seriously wrong with those people?!; 9/18/20, 8:34 AM
Mike of Snoqualmie said...: Ann: You should find this explanation of sunrise/sunset mechanics interesting:

https://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/are-day-and-night-equal-at-the-march-equinox?utm_source=EarthSky+News&utm_campaign=eaa7bd47ff-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_02_02_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c643945d79-eaa7bd47ff-393693529; 9/18/20, 8:36 AM
Kai Akker said...: ---That choice of negative framing--what's normal and what's aberrant--feeds societal division and puts the focus the opposite of where it should be. They don't want to make black lives better, they want to make white lives worse. [tim maguire]

Yes, I think you're right. It's all classic ENVY.

And envy turns to hate as soon as it comes in contact with oxygen.

Major financial peak = major envy manifestation.; 9/18/20, 8:56 AM
J. Farmer said...: @Quaestor:

It's been super-fashionable lately to confess the sin of systemic racism/white privilege without having to be explicit as to what one actually means by systemic racism or white privilege

While I think its role is extremely overblown, I do think that "white privilege" describes a real phenomenon. The reason most white people do not have white racial identity is because European ancestry and American culture are inextricably linked. For other racial minorities, there is a sense of otherness, that there is a dominant racial group to which one cannot assimilate. No matter how Americanized you are, your physical appearance alone will communicate to others that you are different, and this will have an impact to varying degrees on how other people respond to you. This doesn't occur between white people because they see each other as different. Compounding the problem is that unlike immigrants who chose to leave their homeland and adopt a new country as their home, black descendants of slaves and Native Americans are "involuntary minorities."

South Korea was once a large source of all international adoptions, and many Korean children were adopted by American families as infants and raised in America. A lot of those adoptees, despite being raised as Americans by white families with whom they often report good and loving relationships, and with little to no knowledge of Korean language, customs, or culture, opt to return to Korea and often remain there. Despite experiencing culture shock, they feel a sense of belonginess. They can move through the society as "just another Korean," as "normal," rather than "different" or "other."; 9/18/20, 9:31 AM
wildswan said...: Driving around the beautiful mellow Wisconsin countryside I came across a Biden / Harris 2020 sign. Suddenly I saw it anew and as as it is - a relic of white cis place of privilege. Shouldn't the sign have said: biden / Harris 2020? Or, better yet, shouldn't 50% of the signs say Harris / biden 2020?; 9/18/20, 10:26 AM
Fernandinande said...: It's been super-fashionable lately to confess the sin of systemic racism/white privilege without having to be explicit as to what one actually means by systemic racism or white privilege.

The (more-or-less) highest rated high-school in the US (admission by test) is struggling with their racism in the face of the fact over 70% of the kids are Asians, who, BTW average about 30% higher incomes than evil white people.; 9/18/20, 10:44 AM
wildswan said...: If Betsy DeVos wants to ask Princeton about institutional racism a good line of questions would be about the founding, the history and the present staffing and mission of The Office of Population Research (OPR) in the Princeton School of Public and International Affairs aka
Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs, Princeton University. The OPR was founded by Frederick Osborn then Secretary of the American Eugenics Society. Its funding came from the Milbank Memorial Fund which at that time was also funding the Tuskegee Syphilis Study. Frederick Osborn was a Milbank Trustee and as such listened to annual reports on the Tuskegee Study. The first Director of the OPR was Frank Notestein, formerly employed at Milbank. Notestein became a Director of the American Eugenics Society 1950-1956. Frederick Osborn was one of the organizers of Planned Parenthood in 1941. Its mission was then defined as Race Building in a Democracy. Osborn was the second President of the Pioneer Fund which under his leadership began its sponsorship of the main line of IQ research, the line which asserted that African-Americans have a genetically based IQ deficit - Cyril Burt, HJ Eysenck, Arthur Jensen, and most of the researchers upon which the Bell Curve based its assertions were funded by the Pioneer Fund. The Pioneer Fund also sponsored RB Cattell who orginated the term "scientific racism" to describe his own work. When Osborn became the post-World War II President of the American Eugenics Society, he with John D Rockefeller organized the Population Council and was its second President 1957-1959. The third President was Frank Notestein 1959-1968. The Population Council developed several contraceptives and produced research justifying governent involvement in birth control programs in the US and elsewhere. It worked in with similar research done by the OPR and by the Alan Guttmacher Institute which is controlled by Planned Parenthood. Finally Frederick Osborn was involved with the founding of the Behavior Genetics Association. in 1995 Glayde Whitney, the outgoing President of the BGA, asserted that genetic factors lay behind the high black crime rate in the US. Whitney also wrote an approving Introduction to My Awakening by David Duke, head of the Ku Klux Klan. At present behavior genetics as a field is working on theories of epigenetics which suggest that African-Americans have been genetically damaged by racism and are therefore to be excused from from the demands of the larger society. They will be "personally assisted" which often is a new way of saying "experimented upon. TBC.
From 1936 on the OPR at Princeton has been associated in various ways with the eugenics projects initiated by Frederick Osborn, the chief force in the American Eugenics Society from the Thities to 1972. All these projects were eugenicist in intent and all therefore are potentially racist. So anyone interested rooting out racism at Princeton will find the OPR, its eugenic leadership, its aims, and its activities a useful place to start.; 9/18/20, 12:33 PM
tim in vermont said...: Today, the Arabian Peninsula is characterized by vast, arid deserts that would have been inhospitable to early people and the animals they hunted down.

But research over the last decade has shown this wasn't always the case—due to natural climate variation it experienced much greener and more humid conditions in a period known as the last interglacial.

Arabia at the time was more akin to the semi-arid grasslands of the modern African savanna.. - From an article linked by Insty.

That’s weird, during the last interglacial, the Eemian, it was much warmer than today. I thought that if it got warmer, the whole world was gonna turn to desert.; 9/18/20, 1:08 PM
Michael K said...: despite being raised as Americans by white families with whom they often report good and loving relationships, and with little to no knowledge of Korean language, customs, or culture, opt to return to Korea and often remain there. Despite experiencing culture shock, they feel a sense of belonginess. They can move through the society as "just another Korean," as "normal," rather than "different" or "other."

What a great idea ! The trouble is that black Africa, despite a few exceptions, is a shithole and South Korea is a first world economy. I wonder why that could be ?; 9/18/20, 1:09 PM
J. Farmer said...: @Michael K:

I wonder why that could be ?

Difference in mean IQ between the populations. In just reading this, I realized I posted the comment before adding the last sentence. In my example of South Korean adoptees returning to Korea, the experience those Korean-Americans have could be called "Korean privilege."; 9/18/20, 3:14 PM