"Home Savings Bank, 2 broken windows, broken door. The toy store has 2 broken windows. Fromagination [the cheese store] has 2 broken windows and a broken door. Park Hotel... The Post, the restaurant there, has 2 broken windows.... Starbucks looks completely intact, it's open, it looks completely inviting, looks nice. Credit Union House is unbroken. Walgreen's windows are unbroken, but I see a guy sweeping up at the door, so the door was broken. Tavernakaya restaurant isn't broken, but Park Bank has one broken window. Colectivo [coffeehouse] has 2 broken windows. Arch, a hairstyling place, has 3 broken windows, the whole front is broken. Graze, the restaurant, Graze, has 3 big windows broken. L'Etoile, the restaurant next to it has no broken windows.... It says 'Fuck 12' at Center 7 but the windows aren't broken. Wait Chiropractic is crossed out and it says 'BLM Now.' The Old Fashioned — no damage to The Old Fashioned. No damage to the YMCA. 'Fuck 12' and 'Free the Guys' at the UW Credit Union.... There's the Post Office, they didn't get the Post Office. And then broken window on Merrill Lynch and 'Here are your premiums.' Wait, let me get a picture of that...."
"Town Bank has a broken window, 2 broken windows, big picture windows at Town Bank. 'Let Them Know BLM' on the apartment building.... 3 broken windows at Cooper Tavern. Graffiti being whited out by painters at the Veterans Museum. The State Historical Museum has boards on the windows, it says 'Kill Killer Cops'.... The now-closed camera store has a broken window. State Farm Insurance is boarded up. And Grace Church is unharmed."
ADDED: Here's the Wisconsin State Journal report on what happened overnight:
Following a now-familiar pattern, the overnight destruction followed peaceful daytime protests against the police shooting of Jacob Blake in Kenosha Sunday. This time, the damage started just before 11 p.m. with a dumpster fire at the top of State Street. At least Walgreens, a liquor store and a glasses store were looted. Police responded with tear gas, pepper spray and sponge projectile rounds. Madison police Sgt. Galen Wiering reported that six arrests were made, with one person armed with a handgun at the time of arrest, and investigators will seek to identify additional suspects....
The Madison protest grew over the course of the night with just around 100 protesters at the beginning of the night and well over 1,000 later in the evening. At one point, the crowd filled two full blocks of State Street.... Several dumpster fires were set throughout Downtown over the course of the night as protesters marched on State Street, East Washington Avenue and the Capitol Square....
The looting started on State Street around 11:30 p.m. after a smaller group of around 100 people split off from the larger protest. The group of around 1,000 continued to march, chanting "Black Lives Matter," "This is a not a riot, this is a revolution" and telling each other to "Stay together."
Broken glass bottles and the smell of alcohol littered the 400 block of State Street after looters broke into Badger Liquor and stole bottles of liquor. Looters also took merchandise from Warby Parker, a glasses and sunglasses store on State Street. An hour and a half later at 1 a.m., items were stolen from the Walgreens on Capitol Square after the front doors were shattered. Many more businesses had windows shattered, including bars and restaurant on Main Street, the largely glass US Bank Plaza building and others on the Capitol Square....
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Merrill Lynch isn't selling insurance out of that facility, hence it should read "fees" in the graffiti, not "premiums". But I guess I'm slicing the bologna pretty finely.
According to Inga this is all the result of white supremacist boogaloo-ers who led Noble And Peaceful Protesters Astray.
Now do Kenosha.
Welcome to Utopia!! This is the Progressive dream!! Cloward and Piven is ALIVE and Thriving!!!
Somebody calls the police over a white on white cat-fight. Cops run into a guy with a knife who has a warrant out for his arrest for 3rd degree sexual assault with a domestic violence modifier. Guy doesn’t stop as told. Goes to his car to reach for what? With his kids inside the car? Cop wants to go home too. Then the burning starts in Wisconsin’s blue towns. Just stupid.
Milwaukee – done. Madison – done. Wauwatosa – done. Kenosha – done. My money is on Racine to be next.
My take: small retail businesses that still had a chance of reopening if coronavirus restrictions are eased soon, will find that rising insurance costs are the last knife thrust, because it’s clear that Madison will erupt at any time over any thing.
OK, that's what you said, you say. What did you think? What did you feel?
Because what you said is as uninteresting as you could make it. Are you playing some game here? It's not worth the force of "what I said" if all you "said" is what you saw.
They'll grow out of it... unfortunately. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3edtd9AkWg
Sounds nice. Maybe you could get a sunrise picture with the lake in the foreground and the damage city in the background?
Survey the damage to Jacob Blake and his kids. Can't wait for the excuses you people vomit up supporting the police state.
This happens because police officers arrest Blacks.
This happens because police officers do not allow Blacks to resist or run away from arrests.
Mostly peaceful protesters, as per our fine newspaper, the Milwaukee Urinal
I feel bad for the incoming freshman.
This so reminds me of the 1968 election. Anyone else get those vibes?
Looking for the Silent Majority and their votes in November...
It's a start.... they have more if you don't toe the line.
The NYTimes "revisionist" history article, with no comments enabled, speaks to how Republicans are talking about rioting and vandalism while "screens are filled with images of police battling protestors."
And here we have reality.
"Looters, vandals and arsonists will be shot on sight."
How's that sound?
How do you feel about this?
"Now do Kenosha."
Ann lives in Madison. She is a reliable witness for Madison. Why should she "do" Kenosha?
She is not trying to be Andy Ngo or Michael Tracey.
Do they really want four more years of Trump? That is exactly what they are going to get with this nonsense. Dems aren’t going to do anything about the violence. Instead of condemning it, their Congressional leaders famously took a knee and wore Kente around the their necks to show solidarity with the violent BLM rioters. For the most part, their state and local politicians are cravenly pandering even more blatantly. This is not what much of the country wants right now. They want the senseless (to them) violence shut down, now.
Where, oh where, are the rooftop Koreans of today? I am amazed at the lack of societal response to anarchist, criminal violence.
Merrill Lynch isn't selling insurance out of that facility, hence it should read "fees" in the graffiti, not "premiums".
I'm glad I'm not the only one. It thought maybe 'Here's your return in investment ----->'.
Clearly none of these rioters have their CFA or CIC. This group must have been the attorneys...
Starbucks looks completely intact, it's open, it looks completely inviting, looks nice.
But of course! At least some of their establishments refuse service to law enforcement officers. So they have the smear of blood on the lintel. Maybe you and Meade should sell out and move. This is only going to get worse. OTOH, it's your political choices that have spawned these kristallnacht events. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.
Re: Howard:
Policeman shoots a civilian so . . . protesters are justified in bashing up downtown? People like you were probably full of excuses for why LA's Koreatown deserved to be burned by a racist mob after a shopkeeper killed a Black teenager. You disgust me.
Were there riots in Madison or just vandalism?
All of the downtown should have been protected last night. This is all on Evers and your loon mayor.
Trump wins 40 states.
Grace Church was inadvertently overlooked. Now that you've pointed it out- the church will be a target in the next round.
"I heard that the Kremlin's Spetsnaz commandos airdropped into Kenosha from their forward base in Murmansk with special orders from Putin himself to set the Unitarian church's "Black Lives Matter" sign on fire."
Riots are 100% lawlessness. They use outnumbering police as their mask of who they are. ONLY superior force defeats riots. It was always called reading the riot act to restore their right minds, or else.
'I've got your alpha right here ----->'
The 50 highest murder rates in the world are in Iraq, a couple little Pacific islands, and 47 countries in Africa and Latin America and the Caribbean.
Jacob Blake and his kids? Maybe he should have turned himself in for the felony warrant, or you know, NOT fought with the police when they were called for a DOMSTIC ABUSE case.
As the NYTimes put it about the 2d night of Kenosha rioting: "peaceful protests gave way to fires and destruction." This is just some mysterious process, like how forest fires just spontaneously erupt. The fires in Portland a zero percent contained, even after 80 days. Maybe the Wisconsin fires are similar, we just need to let them burn themselves out. Once all that white privilege undergrowth is burned out (car dealerships, boutiques, pharmacies), a thousand flowers will bloom, just as in Detroit!
Has anyone considered links to the radical window replacement cartel.
Even in rioting, Madisonians are a mild white bread version.
I guess what I don’t understand is why more of our fine, compassionate, caring citizens who know exactly how to handle these situations don’t go to work as police. It’s just a job, not nobility. Most are probably qualified to do it, if they chose. Why don’t more of the people lecturing quit talking and get to doing?
Howard: "Survey the damage to Jacob Blake and his kids."
Cannon Hinnant.
Say his name.
Your Howard's Heroes tried to burn down a Ronald McDonald's House with the families and sick children inside.
No wonder you are so proud of your marxist morons.
like NYC, Kenosha will "be back"
eliminating system racism one riot at a time
From the pig sty that became your capital building during Scott Walker's time in office, to these days, Madison seems to be, well...run by spoiled kids, lefty adults, and none of them are apparently small business owners in the city.
I wonder what Madison will look like with about 20% fewer businesses?
And one can only imagine what's being taught in these coming months at the University of Wisconsin. That ought to be a fun-filled education in submission.
"My take: small retail businesses that still had a chance of reopening if coronavirus restrictions are eased soon, will find that rising insurance costs are the last knife thrust, because it’s clear that Madison will erupt at any time over any thing."
No, no, no. Inga assured us that downtown Madison was prime real estate and merchants will be tripping over each other to return.
As I recall, plate glass windows are very expensive. Heck, my car window was $500 after someone stole my briefcase with a copy of "Frankenstein, Part II" in it.
There's insurance for plate glass windows but the premiums are going up for downtown Madison.
Howard's Heroes were on a tear last night in Kenosha and they went after a library, a school,
a Church (Howard's Heroes really really really like burning Christian churches and Bibles, and even the USPS.
On top of that, Howard's Heroes tore down dinosaur statues.......and if you ask Howard or any of his marxist moron amigos why they did that they will probably tell you dinosaurs served in the Confederate army.
haha “Jacob Blake and his kids”
Yeah what a shame to sideline Father of the Year.
Clearly none of these rioters have their CFA or CIC. This group must have been the attorneys...
This one did have nice penmanship, though.
"And one can only imagine what's being taught in these coming months at the University of Wisconsin."
Step 1. Burn, loot, riot
Step 2. ?
Step 3. Utopia!!!
Speaking of Inga, are you still moving to Madison? Just curious.
There is video of armed citizens guarding businesses in Kenosha. As the rioting continues there is going to be more and more of this. The rioters will find that most people are not going to be willing to watch their lives work go up in flames just because the rioters are bored and want to get out of the house and cause trouble. If they think the police use of tear gas is bad wait until someone with an AR-47 panics after rocks are thrown at them and shoots a few people.
When they say “never again” they are just speaking for that time, that generation.
Never again means it’s going to happen again at some point.
This is why you need football. Otherwise people lose their effing minds.
"You have stolen more than we could ever loot."
Peak of cycle envy.
>>And one can only imagine what's being taught in these coming months at the University of Wisconsin.
No need to imagine. We have a very good idea of who will be blamed for the riots and destruction.
Hint: Not the people rioting or destroying.
The outcome was entirely in Blake's choice of behaviors. Josey Wales said it "Some people just need killin". Clearly Blake agreed. He made it come true. And well, he had led a long productive life.
It woulda been so much cheaper to just pay the reparations, but - you guys are the smart ones.
"Dave Begley said...As I recall, plate glass windows are very expensive. Heck, my car window was $500 after . . ."
My wife's Jetta just got dinged ( by a a rock not a protester ). Her windshield replacement is just over a grand! True
My advice for home defense: Listen to firearms instructor, Joe Biden.
And then get an AR-15.
My father's side of the family part-owned a department store in Chicago in the 1930's. The mafia would come by at night and flick small pieces of dry ice at the store windows, shattering them. Then representatives of the glaziers union would come by and offer to replace the windows, and it was understood that the answer needed to be yes, at any price.
At least the mafia made a profit, and fed their families. These goons have no practical agenda at all.
"peaceful protests gave way to fires and destruction"
Gandhi said that when peaceful protests give way to violence, the peaceful protestors have to pack up their bags and go home.
Howard said... [hush][hide comment]
Survey the damage to Jacob Blake and his kids. Can't wait for the excuses you people vomit up supporting the police state.
I have a simple solution, Howard. Police stop responding to black domestic violence calls. Problem solved !
I do think Jake was abusing his kids but that's OK. Black Culture.
"It woulda been so much cheaper to just pay the reparations, but - you guys are the smart ones."
There's no way to "just pay the reparations" and move on. There would be a demand for more payments. It would never be enough. Explain how there's a way to make a payment and get beyond the idea of the need to pay reparations. There's no "paid in full" receipt that could ever be signed by everyone and recognized as fully valid and not to be questioned from now on and by all future generations.
Also, you're describing a protection racket: Pay or we'll ransack the premises.
Bruce Hayden said...
Do they really want four more years of Trump? That is exactly what they are going to get with this nonsense. Dems aren’t going to do anything about the violence. Instead of condemning it, their Congressional leaders famously took a knee and wore Kente around the their necks to show solidarity with the violent BLM rioters. For the most part, their state and local politicians are cravenly pandering even more blatantly. This is not what much of the country wants right now. They want the senseless (to them) violence shut down, now.
8/25/20, 8:12 AM
And guess how many of the fine citizens of these fair [blue] municipalities have had a reassessment of their past voting habits and are willing to give a more conservative politician an opportunity to direct things for a term or two? My guess far fewer than any sane person would expect.
Howard - I imagine Ann lets your comments thru so we can see what a disgusting moral degenerate little worn you are.
“It woulda been so much cheaper to just pay the reparations, but - you guys are the smart ones."
We are the smart ones. Axiomatic. Otherwise there would be no supremacy to go along with our whiteness. Isn’t that the complaint? We built that smartness into our system. Systemic intelligence.
"It woulda been so much cheaper to just pay the reparations, but - you guys are the smart ones."
That would work just as well as paying Little Rocket Man did.
It's called paying the Danegeld.
"There's no way to "just pay the reparations" and move on."
One way boat rides to Africa are out of the question, then?
Do the wokesters in Madistan realize they have become living Trump campaign ads?
It’s gonna be lit (ha) when that realization takes hold!
Ann…your Democrat party supports paying the extortion. CHAZ in Seattle was Strawberry fields. More than any other community in Wisconsin, Madison has brought us to this ridiculous lawlessness. Madison ordered it all up. Isn’t the community enjoying everything it wanted?
Althouse,
Remember all those votes you made for the people who didn't tell you their real views and are now cheering these riots?
Any lessons learned?
Forget reparations. Bust up the hair salon, that'll show the cops who's who.
Bob Boyd - "That would work just as well as paying Little Rocket Man did.
It's called paying the Danegeld."
And there are always more Danes.
Pay the Danegeld, pretty soon you find yourself living in Dane County.
Jonathan Birks observes: This is why you need football. Otherwise people lose their effing minds.
Football is a violent enough sport that it serves to work off our inner rancor. Hockey is better than nothing. Baseball, much as I like the sport, just doesn't work in these trying times.
"It woulda been so much cheaper to just pay the reparations, but - you guys are the smart ones."
How much do I owe you? No seriously, give me a dollar amount.
I would argue Liberal Democrat voters in Madison, WI owe everyone a shitload of money. Not just black people. Call it a refund of all the tax dollars and student debt that supports a community that wrecked everyone else’s.
Blacks busting up other black businesses.
Good thinking.
- you guys are the smart ones.
Quite true if you exclude the BLM supporters.
Meade said...
How much do I owe you? No seriously, give me a dollar amount.
Haven't you ever heard of 'vig'?
How do we determine who is eligible for reparations? Do we use the Jim Crow one-drop rule? Or could we use a sliding scale based on a color chart, similar to the old grocery-bag test?
Survey the damage to Jacob Blake and his kids. Can't wait for the excuses you people vomit up supporting the police state.
"you people"
How much do I owe you? No seriously, give me a dollar amount.
We'll never get the "number". We both know the goal isn't reparations.
The goal is tribute. Endless tribute. Enough to live on.
God bless the child that's got his own...
"Has anyone considered links to the radical window replacement cartel."
bagoh20, Have you seen the opening scenes of American Hustle?
Good Ad For dems... https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1296258860915683328
It woulda been so much cheaper to just pay the reparations, but - you guys are the smart ones.
Well, smart enough to recognize that African Americans do far better and are far safer in communities that respect, rather than infantilize, them.
Drago,
As I recall, church burning used to be the province of Southern racists during the Clinton administration. But I also recall they had some trouble finding evidence that any such churches were burned by same.
Speaking of the Clinton administration, what does trying to burn an occupied Ronald McDonald house remind you of?
Joe Bye-Done:"You don't need an AR-15". He's absolutely correct, you need 3 of them!
What % of rioters are Black?
"Starbucks looks completely intact, it's open, it looks completely inviting, looks nice."
A man's gotta have his soy, skinny, half-caff, two pump, extra hot mocha.
We're not complete philistines.
Thanks the reporting and the excerpt from the Journal, but I'm still annoyed at the lack of basic reporting. Its nice to know the crowd went from 100 to 1000 and chanted stuff, but WHO WERE THEY? Blacks? WHites? Got a break down there media? Were the looters the chanters? Or separate groups?
Was it Antifa? Spontaneous riot or organized?
I guess the media isn't interested in telling us. BTW, what percentage of Madison is Black? I doubt its high. Further, if liberal madison is "Racist" and deserves race riots, then there's NO PLACE in America that doesn't deserve race riots.
Crack: What kind of woman do you think I am?
Everyone else: We’ve already established that. Now we’re just haggling over the price.
Survey the damage to Jacob Blake and his kids. Can't wait for the excuses you people vomit up supporting the police state.
We’ve all seen the dash cam videos of guys reaching into their cars and who come out shooting the police. Guys like Howard don’t care in the least if cops make it home to their kids, but most of us do. It’s a simple matter. When police are called for help, follow their instructions when they arrive on the scene, and folks stay safe.
I have yet to hear from the mewling Howards how they would propose that the scene should have played out. Precisely what risks are cops expected to take so that someone resisting an arrest isn’t shot while reaching into his car? My answer would be that the cop’s kids have every right to see the cop come home safely. Howard apparently says not so much.
And this is how we get Trump.
- Krumhorn
That "repatriations" is being taken seriously, and not mocked and laughed at, shows how far gone the liberal/left is. Basically, its just another way to pay off blacks so they'll continue to vote Democrat. Another benefit, like affirmative action, racial quotas, etc.
It will NEVER be a one time payment. Just like Amnesty, we'd have one and then another one would be proposed because the first one "didn't solve the injustice". You have to wonder about Center-Right people who are proposing it, or at least have no problem with it. Are they stupid or just so obsessed with money-making they think everyone can be bought off with $$?
"There would be a demand for more payments. It would never be enough."
Of course. So, a non-starter. Plus, half the "reparations" would be wasted in year one. The following year -- etc.
While we are talking reparations, I want reparations from the African slave hunters and the British slave traders and the Southern slave owners for the endless grief they caused the rest of us.
This went down on the day after the 50th anniversary of the Sterling Hall bombing. That event essentially ended months of violent protests in Madison which featured dozens of fire bombings and other violence. The Sterling Hall bombing was viewed as going too far. What is too far for today’s left? What ends this? Our ventriloquist dummy “Governor” poured gasoline on the fire with his comments, then sends a whole 125 National Guard troops to Kenosha to “help”. Might as well have sent empty squirt guns to put out the fires. And nothing in Madison? Who the hell didn’t see this coming?
83 comments in and no one has mentioned the Audi reflected in the window?
It looks like Althouse and Meade are maintaining it well.
Cops run into a guy with a knife who has a warrant out for his arrest for 3rd degree sexual assault with a domestic violence modifier. Guy doesn’t stop as told. Goes to his car to reach for what?
serious question:
Assume, for the sake of argument; that YOU are the police on hand...
What would YOU have done, when he reached into his car? Stood and watched? Fired? Something else?
inquiring minds Want To Know
I got news, for you, Crack Emcee. Those looted items from Walgreens, and the dresses from Michigan Avenue in Chicago? Those were your reparations. Hope you got your share, because you will never get any from the rest of us.
Crack, promising more to come. He wants reparations. Cheaper than working, I guess.
You don't need an AR-15
Mob violence and attacks on police have rendered that line of argument impotent.
BLM killed gun control for another generation, and the number of people who safely grew up with a gun in the house just went up.
In Minneapolis there is a battle over external protective shutters on businesses. The city council banned them in 2004 because they make neighborhoods look unsafe. Mind you, the city council of today makes 2004's version look like a Trump rally, and they were all leftists back then.
Internal defenses don't work when arsonists break the window, pour in an accelerant and light it.
Shutters cost about 25 percent more than a replacement piece of plate glass, installed. But you only have to buy the shutters once.
Reparations sound like something Scott Adams or Libertarians would support. Scott's always is coming up with these "Pragmatic" solutions to society's problems. Y'know, you give group X this and opposing Group Y that and everyone will be happy. He assumes people are acting in good faith, are motivated purely by self-interest, and want to "Solve the problem".
Except people don't always act in good faith, and are often motivated by emotions, Religion, and political ideology. People often don't even agree on what is a "Problem". Reparations won't solve "The problem". They're not supposed to be a "Solution" - there are other motives at work.
‘What madness! How could they allow that rabble to enter? Why do they not sweep away four or five hundred of them with the cannon? The rest would take themselves off very quickly.
Napoleon Bonaparte, who, apparently NEVER said anything about "a whiff of grapeshot"
And of course, this poor raccoon was a Confederate soldier. This is simply disgusting. Beating a poor raccoon to death. Sickening.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/08/25/shocking-and-blood-boiling-peaceful-rioters-murder-a-raccoon-demonstrate-that-none-of-this-is-about-justice/
traditionalguy: There is a saying in Texas: "One riot, one Ranger." It originated from an incident when a city applied to the governor for help with rioting citizens. One ranger was sent to quell the violence. When asked if he was all the help forthcoming, the Ranger replied, "How many riots do you have?"
One Ranger could quell a riot by determining leadership of the mob, arresting or incapacitating or, hell, just shooting, those very few individuals, and advising the rest of the now leaderless mob to disperse or suffer similarly. It worked then. It has worked since time immemorial.
A riot is a mob led into violence by a few agitators. After the agitators are removed, a mob isn't so much a riot as a crowd seeking exit from the area where agitators get removed.
I see the only meaningful statement our rotting husk of a governor can make on the situation is to ask protesters to wear masks when participating in the riots.
I wouldn't have picked you for a Porsche woman. Respect.
And you will still vote for the Dems that support this. So let your cities burn. I have no fucks to give for stupid people.
"There's no way to "just pay the reparations" and move on. There would be a demand for more payments. It would never be enough. Explain how there's a way to make a payment and get beyond the idea of the need to pay reparations. There's no "paid in full" receipt that could ever be signed by everyone and recognized as fully valid and not to be questioned from now on and by all future generations."
That's just what I was thinking. There is also no guarantee that paying reparations would have prevented this violence, anyway. Plus, the price tag for the reparations is, apparently, in the tens of trillions of dollars. (And that might just be the first round.) That's still a lot more money than the damage from the rioting could ever be.
Those damned Republicans! OH, WAIT!! They're DEMONCRATS.
"It woulda been so much cheaper to just pay the reparations, but - you guys are the smart ones."
This was truly hilarious, Crack. No blackmailer who ever lived just stopped doing so on payment.
We've been paying reparations since 1964.
" The Crack Emcee said...
It woulda been so much cheaper to just pay the reparations, but - you guys are the smart ones."
"once you have paid him the Danegeld/ You never get rid of the Dane."
"It woulda been so much cheaper to just pay the reparations, but - you guys are the smart ones."
Smart enough to know that paying an extortionist doesn't make him go away.
It was odd seeing a complete reflection of the car in the windows of Merrill Lynch. There must be another set of windows behind the first.
"Jacob Blake and his kids? Maybe he should have turned himself in for the felony warrant, or you know, NOT fought with the police when they were called for a DOMSTIC ABUSE case."
Law and order cuts two ways. Maybe it does mean that Blake should have turned himself in. But, it also means cops can't kill you without a trial. This is so well-ingrained as a matter of law and order that the Founder Fathers wrote it down in a very prominent document.
If I shoot someone in back as they are entering their car, what do you think the odds are of me prevailing on "self-defense" argument? Why should cops be treated differently than the taxpayers that pay their salaries and massive pensions enable them to retire when they turn 50?
I desperately want law and order. I want Marxist thugs to stop burning down cities and assaulting innocent people. But I also want cops to obey and protect the Constitution of the United States. And when cops break the law and violate the Constitution of the United States, I want them punished and held accountable. Is there anything at all controversial about this?
The rioting and the looting will continue until one of two conditions is met- the looters start getting shot on sight.....or there is nothing left to loot. A lot of the cities are reaching the second point. I note for the record that the mayor of Kenosha is a Democrat.
And here was me thinking Wisconsin was a pretty boring, quiet kind of place. Or at least that's what my friends who have lived there tell me.
Have only been to Lake Geneva...what a beautiful place.
I wouldn't have picked you for a Porsche woman. Respect.
It's an Audi.
The Crack Emcee said...It woulda been so much cheaper to just pay the reparations, but - you guys are the smart ones.
If you guys woulda just passed the illegal immigrant amnesty back in '86 we wouldn't have this problem today, but - you guys are the smart ones.
Oh, wait.
Howard said...
Survey the damage to Jacob Blake and his kids. Can't wait for the excuses you people vomit up supporting the police state.
Hm, violent criminal (with domestic violence in his past, IIRC) and an arrest warrant out on him resists arrest and gets shot.
What part of this is supposed to make me feel any sympathy for him?
If you are going to have any government that has a police force, then resisting arrest "successfully" enough will eventually get you shot.
So, Howard, are you ready to get rid of all government? Get rid of all police? No?
Then you don't get to legitimately whine about this. Because the only way gov't + police can survive is if everyone is convinced that "resisting arrest" will fail, and SHOULD fail
"Jacob Blake and his kids? Maybe he should have turned himself in for the felony warrant, or you know, NOT fought with the police when they were called for a DOMSTIC ABUSE case."
Oh hush. You know the ONLY relevant factor is the color of his skin....
I'm sure he was a great father. Loved by his Mama. And that he was either a rising star in the community or about to turn his life around.
mikee said...
Where, oh where, are the rooftop Koreans of today? I am amazed at the lack of societal response to anarchist, criminal violence.
+1000
I'm happy to report that the rioters won't get to where I live until after civilization has already been burned down. And I note there were places that were protected by armed civilians, and that those places weren't burning.
But I confess that I have no understanding of why people haven't been going all 2nd Amendment upon those rioting thugs
Regarding reparations: The descendants of slavery have ironically benefited from that execrable institution by living in America today, where they enjoy more opportunities, for the most part, than they would have had living in Africa. And remember it was Arabs who rounded up black Africans and sold them to the slave traders in the first place. Maybe they should pay reparations to the chronically malcontent.
It woulda been so much cheaper to just pay the reparations
You misspelled Dane Geld.
I've often said- and I'll say it again-
I'll be more then happy to pay reparations to any slave I've ever owned.
"Starbucks looks completely intact, it's open, it looks completely inviting, looks nice."
A man's gotta have his soy, skinny, half-caff, two pump, extra hot mocha.
We're not complete philistines.
(sorry if a double-post...I keep getting errors)
Char char, dropping the N-word in somebody else’s house is poor form. Not to mention, that it is offensive to our fellow commenters. Beyond that, you give lefties all the ammo they need to trash the place.
Delete it
- Krumhorn
The Crack Emcee: "It woulda been so much cheaper to just pay the reparations, but - you guys are the smart ones"
The dems/left/BLM/marxists have already proclaimed "smart"-ness and logic and reason as tools of white supremacy.
One way boat rides to Africa are out of the question, then?
I have read that African nations don’t want American blacks and place hurdles in the path of their immigration.
"There's no way to "just pay the reparations" and move on. There would be a demand for more payments. It would never be enough. Explain how there's a way to make a payment and get beyond the idea of the need to pay reparations. There's no "paid in full" receipt that could ever be signed by everyone and recognized as fully valid and not to be questioned from now on and by all future generations."
Truth.
Also, you're describing a protection racket: Pay or we'll ransack the premises.
A perfect summation of Democrat-Progressive-Marxist-Black Lives Matter political strategy.
Well done, Ann.
83 comments in and no one has mentioned the Audi reflected in the window?
It looks like Althouse and Meade are maintaining it well.
Hard work. Good work ethic. Saving for the future.
They earned this. Unlike ungrateful shits who think Government and society owes them. F' that.
83 comments in and no one has mentioned the Audi reflected in the window?
It looks like Althouse and Meade are maintaining it well.
Hard work. Good work ethic. Saving for the future.
They earned this. Unlike ungrateful shits who think Government and society owes them. F' that.
Todd said...
Bruce Hayden said: Do they really want four more years of Trump? That is exactly what they are going to get with this nonsense.
And guess how many of the fine citizens of these fair [blue] municipalities have had a reassessment of their past voting habits and are willing to give a more conservative politician an opportunity to direct things for a term or two? My guess far fewer than any sane person would expect.
If they were sane, the answer would be "all of them."
But, as it is, it doesn't take very many of them changing, on a percentage basis, to have a significant effect on statewide races.
I expect Trump will win WI easily, and outside the margin of fraud. Which, since he's also going to win AZ & FL, means that right now, without PA, MN, MI, or NH, Trump's either got 269 EC votes in the bag, or 270 if ME 2 goes for Trump again.
Enjoy the election
"It woulda been so much cheaper to just pay the reparations, but - you guys are the smart ones."
It would have been so much cheaper to realize promises of reparations were a con to keep black people voting D.
But hey, you like living in poorly-run blue cities that only care about you when it's time to vote.
Meade said...
"It woulda been so much cheaper to just pay the reparations, but - you guys are the smart ones."
How much do I owe you? No seriously, give me a dollar amount.
8/25/20, 9:19 AM
Easy, everything, for ever (and that still won't be enough)...
"Has anyone considered links to the radical window replacement cartel."
Very observant...
As to reparations, I'm all for them...I mean why not? We already flushed trillions down the toilet with the Great Society giveaways.
The problem is, nobody (the payer) wants to settle anything at the point of a gun. If reparations are the cure to rioting, then rioting is clearly extortion.
But if we do pay reparations, there should be conditions as constitutional amendments. We'll start with the abolition of all affirmative action. No more quotas, no more extra points on tests, no diversity hires. Also, the end to all checkboxes on all forms (census, any type of survey, etc.). The great god money will have finally made us all equal.
And should reparations come to pass, the first thing I will do is buy a Cadillac dealership. Let the re-transfer of wealth begin...
Crack, you might have a point.
If there were some offer of a specific dollar amount to absolve the payer and their descendants from a) further demands b) social opprobrium associated with past racism in the US, and c) mob or racially motivated violence, there would be a significant number of takers.
The rub is that you need an organization to guarantee these things, and also distribute the money. And that organization is going to need some teeth, both in hard and soft power.
Could that organization be governmental? Probably not going to happen because the fraction of the population that would agree to that deal would be too small to generate the political support.
So it has to be third party. And for a third party organization to have that sort of teeth, they will have to be extremely well-run, because that much money is going to leave the organization vulnerable to scandal and the hint of scandal.
Also, it would have to have an arm that was extra-legal to enforce the bans on social opprobrium and violence. So it would be necessary to be wily and powerful enough to keep the government from encroaching.
Also, it would have to be long-term -- decades or even centuries -- to ensure the guarantees that descendants would continue to benefit.
There have been some organizations like that. Some tended towards religious fanaticism. Some degenerated into protection rackets. Some became governments. All of them were very un-democratic, opaque, and exclusive.
In our times, such a cure would be worse than the disease.
I vote Char Char Binks off the island.
Meade for the win at 8:31 am.
D.D. Driver said...
Law and order cuts two ways. Maybe it does mean that Blake should have turned himself in. But, it also means cops can't kill you without a trial. This is so well-ingrained as a matter of law and order that the Founder Fathers wrote it down in a very prominent document.
If I shoot someone in back as they are entering their car, what do you think the odds are of me prevailing on "self-defense" argument?
If you want "law and order", then people can not be allowed to successfully resist arrest.
Period. Dot. End of sentence.
It doesn't matter if the arrest is illegitimate. The correction for that is that you sue the police, after all is done.
If you want a function civil society with laws enforced by the police, then when someone tries to resist arrest, one of three things needs to happen:
1: They fail, and get dragged off to jail, with extra charges added
2: They get injured to the point they can't fight any more, and go to the hospital
3: They get killed, and go to the morgue
You get shot trying to escape? Oh, well. You shouldn't have tried to escape
This isn't about self defense, this is about societal defense.
The cops are a bunch of racist pig harassing you? I'm sorry to hear that. You shoudl sue them, and try to get political action goign against the mayor and city council that let the cops be such racists. Now, shut up and get into the police car, because the suing comes later. What comes right now is that you don't resist arrest
Crack, you might have a point.
If there were some offer of a specific dollar amount to absolve the payer and their descendants from a) further demands b) social opprobrium associated with past racism in the US, and c) mob or racially motivated violence, there would be a significant number of takers.
The rub is that you need an organization to guarantee these things, and also distribute the money. And that organization is going to need some teeth, both in hard and soft power.
Could that organization be governmental? Probably not going to happen because the fraction of the population that would agree to that deal would be too small to generate the political support.
So it has to be third party. And for a third party organization to have that sort of teeth, they will have to be extremely well-run, because that much money is going to leave the organization vulnerable to scandal and the hint of scandal.
Also, it would have to have an arm that was extra-legal to enforce the bans on social opprobrium and violence. So it would be necessary to be wily and powerful enough to keep the government from encroaching.
Also, it would have to be long-term -- decades or even centuries -- to ensure the guarantees that descendants would continue to benefit.
There have been some organizations like that. Some tended towards religious fanaticism. Some degenerated into protection rackets. Some became governments. All of them were very un-democratic, opaque, and exclusive.
In our times, such a cure would be worse than the disease.
"But I confess that I have no understanding of why people haven't been going all 2nd Amendment upon those rioting thugs"
Because those BLM and Antifa cowards haven't come to my neighborhood yet.
My compadres and I are ready if they do. But they won't. None of them are all that bright, but they know not to fuck with towns in Red counties. Armed folks in Madison and Chicago are too afraid of their local prosecutors making an "example" out of them, so until their own lives are threatened, none will act. Meanwhile, my neighbors and I KNOW that our local prosecutor would rather give us a medal than charge us if we put a few firebombers out of commission.
It's not a joke. I see a Molotov being hoisted or lit, and I am shooting to kill. I see a brick being thrown, I am shooting to kill. I see a civilian being attacked or mugged, I am shooting to kill.
"Survey the damage to Jacob Blake and his kids. Can't wait for the excuses you people vomit up supporting the police state."
Fuck Jacob Blake. I hope the rest of his life is a miserable wreck, and I hope the officers are fully acquitted. I'd have shot him too, and he wouldn't be alive to bitch about it afterwards.
"But I confess that I have no understanding of why people haven't been going all 2nd Amendment upon those rioting thugs"
Because we don't want to go to prison, and the laws still apply to us. Once they defund the police, we'll kill them like rats. Like those filthy, Black scum killed that poor raccoon.
"BTW, what percentage of Madison is Black?"
Wikipedia says 7.3% in 2010. So, enough to make for a bad side of town, but likely nowhere near enough to overwhelm the police.
When we saw the first George Floyd riots in Minneapolis, and I realized that many of the looters were white, was when I realized that we're in the shit now. The cops should have shot a few white ones, nobody would have missed them, and the rest would have gotten the picture.
"It's not a joke. I see a Molotov being hoisted or lit, and I am shooting to kill. I see a brick being thrown, I am shooting to kill. I see a civilian being attacked or mugged, I am shooting to kill."
Lighten up, Francis.
If I shoot someone in back as they are entering their car, what do you think the odds are of me prevailing on "self-defense" argument? Why should cops be treated differently than the taxpayers that pay their salaries and massive pensions enable them to retire when they turn 50?
I desperately want law and order. I want Marxist thugs to stop burning down cities and assaulting innocent people. But I also want cops to obey and protect the Constitution of the United States. And when cops break the law and violate the Constitution of the United States, I want them punished and held accountable. Is there anything at all controversial about this?
I would like to hear a step-by-step description of an alternate scenario that would have led to a better outcome. Would it have been better for a social worker to answer the 911 call? How would that have played out in a normal world? We have all seen video of someone resisting arrest who has reached into a car and came out shooting police officers. Is that an acceptable risk for a cop to take as an alternative to shooting someone in the back with an outstanding arrest warrant who is diving into his car while resisting arrest?
If there is anything controversial, it is the automatic assumption that cops are acceptable targets for the scumbags just so long as the scumbags don’t get shot or otherwise hurt. And make no mistake, this guy is a scumbag.
- Krumhorn
Very late comment I know, but are readers aware that the church burned in Kenosha was a Unitarian Universalist facility? Yes, Unitarians, the farthest-left and farthest-out of all American denominations, who probably shouldn't be called Protestant or even Christian in any real sense. From the Kenosha branch's website:
We, the members and clergy of Bradford Community Church Unitarian Universalist, are outraged at the violence perpetuated in the name of law enforcement on our people of color throughout our nation’s history and yesterday in Kenosha in the case of Jacob Blake for whose life we now pray.
Despite the fact that we cannot condone violent response to injustice, we understand and appreciate the anger and frustration that fueled the events of last night. While we are relieved that our church home mostly survived the inferno in the lot next door, we affirm that we would rather lose 100 buildings than one more life to police violence.
Some folks have already commented that our decision to display “Black Lives Matter” on our road sign in some way contributed to the fire or that our support of the BLM movement is hypocritical or “un-Christian.” Indeed, all lives do matter to us (that’s what “Universalist” means), but given the overwhelming and disproportionate injustice suffered by Americans of color we are compelled by our faith to speak up and affirm that Black Lives Matter too.
If this is not your faith, so be it, but it is most certainly ours and we ask that all folks be respectful in honoring our sacred calling to speak truth to power, protect the innocent, empower the disenfranchised and promote equity and compassion in human relations.
In the name of Love,
Rev. Erik David Carlson
On Behalf of Bradford Community Church Unitarian Universalist, Kenosha
I guess the Dems have their own "broken windows" policy.
Blogger Mr. Forward said...
"I vote Char Char Binks off the island."
Yeah, well I vote him back. Can you swim?
"It woulda been so much cheaper to just pay the reparations, but - you guys are the smart ones."
I think it was the black economist Thomas Sowell who expressed the idea that wealth transfers to the "needy," such as socialism (or reparations) will never actually solve problems or be "enough."
That's because, while you may be able to define and provide for all needs because they are finite, you will never be able to satisfy "wants." They are infinite.
Howard said...
Survey the damage to Jacob Blake and his kids. Can't wait for the excuses you people vomit up supporting the police state.
It's you who need the excuses, Howie.
You're the one who said that the lean agile feral young diverse true warrior people, the ones you want to lick the sweat off of, were going to outcompete, outperform, dazzle and devour the old fat sick white wannabe warriors.
In Kenosha, the score is:
White wannabe warriors: 1 (ok, 0.5 really)
Diverse true warriors: 0
On the other hand a mob of blacks can deal with a lost raccoon pretty effectively, if not efficiently.
Two-legged wild animals: 1
Four-legged wild animals: 0
And it sounded like the blacks enjoyed it more. No wonder you're on their side.
"Maybe you and Meade should sell out and move."
No, they should stay right where they are so they can get the government they voted for, good and hard.
"Madison police used teargas, pepper spray and sponge bullets on crowds after the first round of damage began and reported that demonstrators threw rocks, bottles and other projectiles back. Police said they arrested six people overnight and were working to identify other suspects."
Six people were arrested. Of these, how many will the Madison DA drop the charges for? How many will be released without bail so they can continue rioting?
The rioters are doing what they know they are permitted to do by blue city/county/state politicians and prosecutors - it is they who should be held to account for the destruction they allow and support.
Jupiter said...
I said: "But I confess that I have no understanding of why people haven't been going all 2nd Amendment upon those rioting thugs"
Because we don't want to go to prison, and the laws still apply to us
That's why you snipe. That's not why yo duo nothing
So D.D. Driver, no response?
You're a lefty concern troll, not someone who actually cares about law and order?
Thanks for clearing that up
D.D. Driver continues its Moby act.
What a pathetic tactic.
"What comes right now is that you don't resist arrest."
You make a good argument for the proposition on civic grounds, but the more trenchant argument is that they have the guns, they have their friends, they have phones and radios and cars and helicopters, and if you resist arrest, where the fuck do you think that ends up? If they don't know who you are yet, there might be some hope of getting away and keeping away. Once you're ID'ed, they'll find you.
But we're not seeing goal-oriented, reasoned behavior here. Note that this guy, and the idiot in Georgia, both knew that if they were arrested, they were going back to prison. It looks like they basically went with the New Hampshire state motto.
And remember it was Arabs who rounded up black Africans and sold them to the slave traders in the first place. Maybe they should pay reparations to the chronically malcontent.
Actually, in West Africa, it was The Ashanti tribe that mostly sold captured enemies to the white buyers who stayed off the coast in fortified islands. In East Africa, it was Arabs and still is.
The main causal factors included the unquestioning loyalty to the Asante rulers and the Kumasi metropolis' growing wealth, derived in part from the capital's lucrative domestic-trade in items such as gold, slaves, and bullion...
And...
The Ashanti live in the Ashanti Region, specifically in the Ashanti capital of Kumasi, and, due to the Atlantic slave trade, a known diaspora of Ashanti exists in the Caribbean, particularly in Jamaica. Slaves captured by the Ashantis and sold to the British and the Dutch along the coasts were sent to the West Indies, particularly Jamaica, Barbados, Netherlands Antilles, British Virgin Islands, the Bahamas, Guyana, Suriname, etc. Ashanti were known to be very opposed to both the Fante Confederacy and the British people, as the Ashanti only traded with the Dutch in times of their ascension to becoming a hegemony of most of the area of present-day Ghana.
Jamaicans are 60% Ashanti, which might have something to do with their relative success in America. They were the sellers, not the slaves mostly.
“My compadres and I are ready if they do. But they won't. None of them are all that bright, but they know not to fuck with towns in Red counties. Armed folks in Madison and Chicago are too afraid of their local prosecutors making an "example" out of them, so until their own lives are threatened, none will act. Meanwhile, my neighbors and I KNOW that our local prosecutor would rather give us a medal than charge us if we put a few firebombers out of commission. “
The Justice of the Peace in this county, who tries all misdemeanors, as well as the initial hearings for felonies, is a NRA certified instructor. Probably a significant number of the CCW licensees in the county probably went through his classes. He now has a national clientele, after his two oldest boys started winning contests with other Tier 1 Operators in the military. Interestingly, part of his training is point and shoot, instead of lining up your sights. Much faster. Just make sure that you feel the reset before pulling the trigger again. I try to retake the entry level class every year - he does a good job at reinforcing the basics.
Kaiser So-fey
"The problem is, nobody (the payer) wants to settle anything at the point of a gun. If reparations are the cure to rioting, then rioting is clearly extortion."
Again, it seems the answer should be a series of voluntary funds. You have unjust enrichment that you believe traces to slavery or racism, you contribute to the fund. You think you were unjustly handicapped, you put in a claim. A board decides who's eligible, they divide up the money every year and cut checks. The different funds wouldn't have to be confined to slavery, or even American grievances.
The State Journal keep up the emerging tradition of modern mediaswine with this gem: “... and what appeared to be a red Make America Great Again cap.“
Really? Well was it or wasn’t it? Or was it just the SJ’s intention to malign Trump supporters without evidence - as usual.
@Yancey Ward, 10.32 am:
The rioting and the looting will continue until one of two conditions is met- the looters start getting shot on sight.....or there is nothing left to loot."
You haven't been here in Winter, have you?
"But I confess that I have no understanding of why people haven't been going all 2nd Amendment upon those rioting thugs"
Again, the Left has been breaking down inhibitions for 80 years. Conservatives still have a great deal of reluctance to overcome.
They want to ban teaching history because anybody who knows any history knows that paying the Dane geld never gets rid of the Dane, it just brings him back next year for more.
"Again, it seems the answer should be a series of voluntary funds."
Voluntary? What kind of comedian are you?
My ancestors in 1680s South Carolina had slaves; more than a few.
I don't give a single fuck. I owe nothing.
"That's why you snipe. That's not why you do nothing."
Let's see how the election goes. Like the song says, "There'll be time enough for sniping, when the voting's done". Of course, they're not burning my city down, so perhaps I'm insufficiently motivated. I've always been a basically selfish person. No altruism to speak of.
Why no 2nd Amendment types fighting back?
Store owners care about politics. Walgreens, CVS and Target store managers don't. They get fired for telling a shoplifter to stop.
This is why every city has leftist government. The businessmen (and yes, it was nearly all men) who ran things 55 years ago cared. They made sure the roads got plowed and the taxes stayed reasonable.
Now, it's all chain stores. And corporations have no soul.
Jupiter said...
Me: "What comes right now is that you don't resist arrest."
You make a good argument for the proposition on civic grounds
Thank you.
But we're not seeing goal-oriented, reasoned behavior here. Note that this guy, and the idiot in Georgia, both knew that if they were arrested, they were going back to prison. It looks like they basically went with the New Hampshire state motto.
That's their choice.
But it's illegitimate to criticize the police for giving those criminals the 2nd half of their choice
So, Howard, are you read to say "shrug. you resisted arrest? Oh well, sucks to be you"?
Or are you committed to the complete destruction of civil society?
Mansplanation to follow. I invite all of the ladies to skip this comment if such offends thee.
If they didn’t pay the Dane geld, whoever they didn’t kill were sold as slaves to the Muslims. That’s what the Vikings were, slave raiders in Europe. The Greeks had Greek fire, so they were left alone. Basically the Muslims had a huge silver find in Afghanistan which they used to mint coins to buy slaves from Europe and silks from China. These coins have been found in Viking grave cairns. Osama bin Laden said after 9-11 that “even the slaves are celebrating” referring to free black Africans.
The Romans enslaved the main part of the population of Jerusalem, sacked and burned the town including the “First Temple” that was built by King Solomon, and used the loot and the slaves to build the Roman Colosseum, there is a plaque to this effect still in the Colosseum. They got the “golden lampstand” supposedly designed by Moses, King Solomon’s golden table, etc, and put them in a Museum. The Ark of the Covenant disappeared at that time and has never been recovered. I suspect the Muslims have it locked up good and tight in Egypt, likely believing the account in Samual that whoever looked upon it would be killed by God on the spot. Supposedly God killed seventy curious Israelites who couldn’t resist a peek at the tablets of the Ten Commandments.
My guess is that the Ashkenazi Jews are descended from the enslaved people who built the Colosseum, eventually they migrated to Europe and were driven east to Poland and Russia by the “Christians” in power then, we all know the rest of the story.
Madison mayor: Overnight protests ‘undercut’ the movement, divide the community(Channel3000.com)
She's wrong. The protests are the movement. Also, skimpy reporting by Channel 3000.
Guv Evers is likewise clueless, or willfully ignorant: Gov. Evers urges ‘peacefully and safely’ protesting, says he’ll up National Guard presence
Rory said...
"But I confess that I have no understanding of why people haven't been going all 2nd Amendment upon those rioting thugs"
Again, the Left has been breaking down inhibitions for 80 years. Conservatives still have a great deal of reluctance to overcome.
That could explain it. I grew up among the Left. Most of my associates are of the left. My inhibitions have all been toasted
"It woulda been so much cheaper to just pay the reparations, but - you guys are the smart ones."
How much do I owe you? No seriously, give me a dollar amount.
Massive loss of life and treasure, and assimilation and integration, even affirmative discrimination, are not enough.
Right now. Watching the family of this suspected criminal shot, performing in front of the cameras. Along with their hired race hustlers.The race hustlers are claiming this is National responsibility. Its 100% local, but the race hustlers are marching on DC. I guess that's the authorization for President Trump to call out Federal enforcement personnel.
I don't think the race hustlers are going to like what they are asking for.
"D.D. Driver continues its Moby act.
What a pathetic tactic."
LOL. I'm as leftwing as Thomas Jefferson. I believe in the Constitution of the United States of America. I believe it to be the greatest document ever written, and it is constantly under assault by both the left and the right. The modern right believes in the First and Second Amendment, but not the Fourth or Fifth (well, except for the very last clause) etc. The Progressives believe in the Fourth and Fifth (well, except for the last clause) but not the First (well, except for the Establishment Clause) and the Second, etc.
If people don't like the Constitution--that's fine. The Founding Fathers even anticipated that by allowing for amendment. So anyone who thinks cops need more latitude to shoot citizens should fire up a Constitutional Convention. Until then, however, I think we should just follow the Constitution.
“Maybe you and Meade should sell out and move."
And where would they go? Black people live in every state in every town, police have a long history of brutality to Black people predominantly. Black people are not going to tolerate it any longer no matter where you live in the US and retaliatory actions which unfortunately include violence and rioting can happen ANYWHERE.
If you want "law and order", then people can not be allowed to successfully resist arrest.
I don't disagree. But, the penalty for resisting arrest is not death. They knew who he was. They had his license plate number. They could have followed him home and called for back up on the way. If we have cops that can't figure out how to arrest someone without shooting them, they should pick a different career.
Check out something I found on the internet:
"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
I have read that African nations don’t want American blacks and place hurdles in the path of their immigration
Ask yourself ... Would YOU want them?
I landed on Brockmeyer, when looking for something to watch, a couple of years ago. Hank Azeria and Amanda Peete. Its about a MLB play by play broadcaster in the depths of his addictions. Going on an on air rant about catching his with with another man, and his losing everything and ending up woking a single A club, PA announcer, in nowhere America.
Very low brow humor that appeals to my baser instincts and prurient interests.
Anyway I watched the three seasons, and thought it was cancelled, but low and behold, they did another season!. So I popped the corn and dialed up the 1st show. It is set in the future. 2024? maybe. It portrays as dystopian USA in the midst of a handfull of public uprisings.
Very prescient. The 2020 season is not as funny (warped) as the previous seasons, so I haven't binged on the whole season yet, but I thought I would call out the erie future cast of the show. Just watch the 1st episode of the last season, and see what you think, its only 22 minutes no commercials.
Real dogs of war are preparing to annihilate the opponent, hoping for the chance sooner rather than later so as to minimize innocent loss of life.
I merely hope I get to feel what Churchill felt was exhilarating a century ago.
Never forget the Commies are the ones we fight against, mostly white with useful idiots across the spectrum. Democratics know exactly how to turn on useful idiots and make them feel* their lives may actually be worth something without God.
Can you imagine the good a man like Crack could have done had he accepted Jesus as his Lord and Savior? I won't say Clarence Thomas level, because Justice Thomas is a greatest of all time level American, but it ain't nothing like it is now neither.
*Until the illusion wears off as Buckley wrote
"How much do I owe you? No seriously, give me a dollar amount."
Puts me in mind of Marlon Brando's line in The Wild One: "Whattya got?"
D.D. Driver said...
If we have cops that can't figure out how to arrest someone without shooting them, they should pick a different career.
Check out something I found on the internet:
"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
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OK....so the police should do exactly....WHAT...when someone actually fires on them, tries to steal their weapon to use on them, or acts in a manner that a reasonable person would consider an attempt to gain access to a deadly weapon to use against them? Are you unaware that Jacob Brooks was tased in an attempt to arrest him w/o killing him?
As for "what you found on the internet: apparently you don't understand that a retired con law prof runs this blog, and thus attracts quite a few people with legal backgrounds. WE are not so stupid as to think the "due process" clause requires the police to risk THEIR lives when trying to arrest a violent suspect.
So piss off.
I have not read the whole thread, but most are thinking about reparations as a lump sum payment. That would be a disaster because
1) it'll fail to significantly improve the life of most recipients. In FL they studied winners of moderate size lotteries ($50-150K-something like that.) It had little to no long term impact on most winners.
2) Progs see a failure and declare the problem is not going big enough so there would be larger repetitions of the same failure.
If you are going to do reparations, , I would not withhold FICA for ADOS but grant them the benefits they would have earned upon eligibility. This provision would be an amendment and automatically expire after, say, seventy five years.
Reason include:
1) a lifetime benefit, not a windfall
2) the ability to build wealth if this money is saved (more than you would get from SS.)
3) It benefits the poorest most. Social Security deductions cap out at ~$137K. If you are making that much you are not suffering economically from racism.
If I had to do reparations, that's the type of program I'd implement: targeted at the poorest and geared toward the long term.
“No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
I think that I can see what you are trying to point out, but that is not how that is interpreted. As someone pointed out, the Constitution is not a suicide pact. Exigent circumstances are typically more than sufficient to delay the necessity of a Judge issued warrant. Etc.
I don't disagree. But, the penalty for resisting arrest is not death. They knew who he was. They had his license plate number. They could have followed him home and called for back up on the way. If we have cops that can't figure out how to arrest someone without shooting them, they should pick a different career.
You are OK with a man on an outstanding warrant, and possible sex assault charge, taking kidnapping the children in the car he was trying to drive away with? There were kids in the car. The man was not cooperating, and had already wrestled free from the officers. I think taking out a kidnapper and saving children is a good decision.
"OK....so the police should do exactly....WHAT...when someone actually fires on them, tries to steal their weapon to use on them, or acts in a manner that a reasonable person would consider an attempt to gain access to a deadly weapon to use against them? Are you unaware that Jacob Brooks was tased in an attempt to arrest him w/o killing him?
As for "what you found on the internet: apparently you don't understand that a retired con law prof runs this blog, and thus attracts quite a few people with legal backgrounds. WE are not so stupid as to think the "due process" clause requires the police to risk THEIR lives when trying to arrest a violent suspect.
So piss off."
That's a strawman. Of course cops are entitled to self defense. Some of the commentators above argued that resisting arrest is in and of its self justifies shooting a suspect. That is what I was responding to.
I already addressed the "self defense" argument: if you or I shoot a man in the back while he is getting into his car, do you think for one second "self defense" going to get you an acquittal? I think cops should be held to the same standard as you or me. Do you disagree?
"I think that I can see what you are trying to point out, but that is not how that is interpreted. As someone pointed out, the Constitution is not a suicide pact. Exigent circumstances are typically more than sufficient to delay the necessity of a Judge issued warrant. Etc."
That's actually not what we are talking about. One of the commentators above argues that cops have the right to shoot and kill you for resisting arrest--as a means of maintaining social order. Pretty damn sure there is a 1983 claim lurking in there, agree?
"You are OK with a man on an outstanding warrant, and possible sex assault charge, taking kidnapping the children in the car he was trying to drive away with? There were kids in the car. The man was not cooperating, and had already wrestled free from the officers. I think taking out a kidnapper and saving children is a good decision."
Is this cop fanfic? I haven't read anywhere that he was kidnapping his kids. Apparently it was one of the kid's birthday and he got to watch his dad shot seven times within feet of him. That's like a horror movie. That cop may have fucked up those children for the rest of their lives. But, I guess they are lucky they weren't collateral damage.
♫ Always look on the bright side of life ♫
D.D. D. dehumanizing "cops" works out quite well for Satan, just in case you ever have any semblance of humanity and decide to repent your grave sins.
Grave.
That's actually not what we are talking about. One of the commentators above argues that cops have the right to shoot and kill you for resisting arrest--as a means of maintaining social order. Pretty damn sure there is a 1983 claim lurking in there, agree?
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>>>Which commenter said that cops have the "right" to shoot and kill you for resisting arrest"?
That's a strawman. Of course cops are entitled to self defense. Some of the commentators above argued that resisting arrest is in and of its self justifies shooting a suspect. That is what I was responding to.
>>>Which commenter said that "resisting arrest is in and of its self justifies shooting a suspect"?
And why would you cite the "due process" clause , unless you thought there was no justification under any circumstance for the police to shoot or wound a suspect who made them fear for their own safety? You're just backtracking, in the face of your idiocy.
You're full of it.
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"Is this cop fanfic? I haven't read anywhere that he was kidnapping his kids. Apparently it was one of the kid's birthday and he got to watch his dad shot seven times within feet of him. That's like a horror movie. That cop may have fucked up those children for the rest of their lives. But, I guess they are lucky they weren't collateral damage."
>>>so you think this great dad wasn't possibly sexually assaulting his own kids? If so, why was one of the women screaming to her child not to go with him? You think it's not possible that HE fucked up his own kids by....fucking them?
>>>Face it: we don't know. But you engaged in Olympic Gold medal conclusion jumping. And engaged in a juvenile mis-reading of the Constitution.
Blogger D.D. Driver said...
Me: If you want "law and order", then people can not be allowed to successfully resist arrest.
I don't disagree. But, the penalty for resisting arrest is not death.
The penalty for resisting arrest is losing.
Yes, they knew who he was, and his address. There was an outstanding warrant for his arrest, which meant that having that information wasn't sufficient, because if it was he would already have been in jail.
The penalty for resisting arrest is losing.
Right there, right then. If that means you get killed, or crippled, or put in a coma, tough shit.
You do not have the right to resist arrest. You have the right to sue the police for a civil rights violation if they arrest you sufficiently wrongly.
"If you fight enough you get to run away" == "destroy civil society." Because that says "lowlifes aren't subject to the law, only decent people."
And if that's teh case, well kiss goodbye any respect for the law.
You have a right to a trial. If you want it, don't resist arrest
'Which commenter said that "resisting arrest is in and of its self justifies shooting a suspect"?'
I said, correctly, that if the cops need to shoot a person resisting arrest to get him to stop resisting arrest, that shooting is inherently legitimate
D.D. Driver said...
I already addressed the "self defense" argument: if you or I shoot a man in the back while he is getting into his car, do you think for one second "self defense" going to get you an acquittal? I think cops should be held to the same standard as you or me. Do you disagree?
1: You're not a cop. You haven't been blessed by the State to use it's power to arrest people.
2: If someone has a gun in his hands and is turning around to shoot me, I damn well have the right to shoot and kill him first.
If you're fighting with some cops, and then put your hands in a place where they can't see them, and where there might be a gun, you're probably going to get shot.
And you'll deserve it.
You do not have the right to flee the scene of a crime. You do not have the right to resist arrest. You do not have their right to demand that the cops arrest you later.
The penalty for resisting arrest is losing. If you raise the ante enough that teh cops need to kill you to make sure you lose, that's your fault, not theirs.
Don't want to get shot? Don't resist arrest
Which commenter said that cops have the "right" to shoot and kill you for resisting arrest"?
See Greg The Class Traitor @ 11:27. Do you agree with him?
You think it's not possible that HE fucked up his own kids by....fucking them?
It's totally possible. But the Constitution presumes he did not, and only a trial by his peers can can overcome that presumption.
Which commenter said that cops have the "right" to shoot and kill you for resisting arrest"?
Also---> 8:35 PM.
I said, correctly, that if the cops need to shoot a person resisting arrest to get him to stop resisting arrest, that shooting is inherently legitimate
Yes. That is the law
...in North Korea and Venezuela. But not here in the Land of the Free.
I said, correctly, that if the cops need to shoot a person resisting arrest to get him to stop resisting arrest, that shooting is inherently legitimate
Yes. That is the law
...in North Korea and Venezuela. But not here in the Land of the Free.
It's the law any place where there is law. Because you can't have law if people are free to ignore it
Greg the Class Traitor:
Listen. No one---NO ONE--puts me in second place when it comes to wanting to have every last BurnLootMurder rioter strung up to the nearest tree without trial.
However I--the whitest, bluest eyed man who ever lived, was gang-raped by five Martinez, California police officers at the behest of my PRC (that's People's Republic of China) soon to be ex wife who were tired of her calling them.
They bang on my door (midnight)
"Mr. X, Open the Fucking Door"
Me: "do you have a warrant, officer?"
Cops: "You pull that lawyer bullshit on us we'll have the dog bring us back your balls!"
Then the rape started.
Eight years later, the head cop is still banging the ex and I am still being stalked.
The only good cop is a dead cop.
Of course Anne will never let you see this so there is that....
Ann Althouse said...
"There's no way to "just pay the reparations" and move on. There would be a demand for more payments. It would never be enough."
Says you - predicting what you'll never try after you hurt people.
Y'all deserve this.
Enjoy.
It actually can be legal to shoot, and maybe even kill, someone who is trying to escape the police. For example, it probably would have been legal for Officer Darren Wilson to have shot Big Mike Brown in Ferguson, MO, to prevent his escape. The key is that he was an escaping violent felon. Not a suspect, but had committed acts that were considered violent felonies under MO law, in the presence of a police officer, in Brown’s assault on Wilson while he sat in his Tahoe, and his attempt to take Wilson’s gun away from him. The theory Is that the officer is protecting the community from someone known to be a violent felon. (Note - the crimes constituting violent felonies subject to this provision are listed in the MO statutes, and not surprisingly include attempted murder).
Of course, in the end, Wilson was easily acquitted on the basis on justified self defense. The forensics were clear - Brown had attacked Wilson in his Tahoe, trying to take his gun, then very soon after that died attacking Wilson again. At 6’3” 295 lbs, Brown was big enough to play line in college football. His size alone constituted a deadly threat, should he have closed with Wilson.
Most often though, the justification for an officer involved shooting is self defense. Typically, it involves seeing, or thinking they saw, a deadly weapon. The limiting factors are the usual ones for self defense: subjective and objective reasonableness and that the threat was imminent.
Police officers have the same right to self defense as anyone else, with a couple of differences. First, in the relatively few states that retain the Retreat Doctrine, it does not apply to the police. Second, normally, if someone threatens deadly force against you, you can respond with deadly force in legally justified self defense. Not so, if the police threaten deadly force against someone - that person is almost never privileged to respond to that threat with deadly force, and if they threaten the police with such (even if the police threatened deadly force first), the police are almost always the party legally privileged to use deadly force, while the other party is not. That means that if the police threaten you with deadly force, you then pull a gun in what otherwise would be self defense, they can then shoot you in legally justified self defense, and your shooting back would be attempted (or actual) homicide, if not murder.
I'm with mockturtle.
Meaningful penance is required, Althouse. You helped form this mess, you and your co-horts all across America who have failed to teach the children well. It's not too late to show some courage.
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