June 5, 2020

The NYT bows: "In an embarrassing about-face, The New York Times said Thursday that an opinion piece it ran by U.S. Sen. Tom Cotton... did not meet its standards."

"Cotton’s op-ed, titled 'Send in the Troops' and first posted online late Wednesday, caused a revolt among Times journalists, with some saying it endangered black employees. Some staff members called in sick Thursday in protest. The Times said in a statement that a 'rushed editorial process' led to publication of a piece that did not meet its standards.... Earlier Thursday, Times publisher A.G. Sulzberger and editorial page editor James Bennet defended its publication, saying they believed it was important to discuss controversial ideas in a public forum rather than keep them quiet. But, the Times reported that later, Bennet revealed that he had not read Cotton’s piece prior to its publication. 'As a result, we’re planning to examine both short term and long term changes' to its opinion pages including expanding its fact-checking operation and reducing the number of op-eds, which are opinion pieces written by outside contributors that it publishes, the Times said [in] its statement.... Also Thursday, the Philadelphia Inquirer apologized for a 'horribly wrong' decision to use the headline 'Buildings Matter, Too' on an article. Some 30 members of its 210-member editorial staff had called in sick Thursday following the mistake, which black staff members angrily condemned...."

AP reports.

Cotton reacted, saying the NYT is "surrendering to the mindless woke mob."

A particular problem with Cotton's piece was that it spoke of "left-wing radicals like antifa infiltrating protest marches to exploit Floyd’s death for their own anarchic purposes," but the NYT has not yet reported that the violent element was antifa. Its news story on June 1 had said "conservative commentators are asserting with little evidence that antifa, the far-left anti-fascism activist movement coordinates the riots and looting."

Whether Cotton was right or wrong about the facts, there is a problem with factual assertions in op-eds. I've written op-eds for the NYT, and it was with a very short deadline and I was trusted to get the facts in order. I don't know how much the Times intends to change its process, but I assume it wants and needs to have some distance between itself and the writers it brings in from the outside to give a hot take on a breaking controversial story.

ADDED: Why isn't there more reporting in the NYT about who's responsible for the violence and disorder accompanying the protests? A rational inference is that they are not pursuing it or they are suppressing what they have because it impugns the left. Please rebut that presumption if it's wrong, NYT.

101 comments:

wendybar said...

There can only be one opinion, and it is the BLM opinion. Defund the police, let them run wild and kill each other and burn down the cities. At this point what difference does it make??? Progressives ruined America as we know it.

mezzrow said...

"This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we will be lucky to live through it."

I see this and I feel like Fred Thompson on that burning deck. When these young people are in charge, we will have war over dissent unless this gets sorted in the next few years. The war will be domestic, and it may become existential. They have no idea what the backlash will look like.

https://youtu.be/YZuMe5RvxPQ

Conservachusetts said...

Not a great post. The NY Times often has opinions presented as facts on both the editorial and news side. Their problem is that they offered the same opportunity to a conservative. Free speech is dead.

Howard said...

Cotton, who speaks for the deplorable mob gets bent by the success of the woke mob. Very Moby situation.

cacimbo said...

"Whether Cotton was right or wrong about the facts,"
"I was trusted to get the facts in order"

If Cotton is right doesn't that mean he has his facts in order.

MayBee said...

I would like to know more about the facts behind the assertion the op-ed put their black employees in danger.

Jersey Fled said...

"left-wing radicals like antifa infiltrating protest marches to exploit Floyd’s death for their own anarchic purposes,"

Didn't AG Barr just say the same thing?

Will the NYT report on that, or isn't it news.

Mattman26 said...

I fear for our future.

Laslo Spatula said...

I am sure that the Woke Kidz will all be NYT digital subscribers once their old liberal readers die out.

As for the current NYT readers: this is the world you wanted. Please vote to defund your police.

Please, please vote to defund your police.

I am Laslo.

Sebastian said...

"A particular problem with Cotton's piece was that it said "left-wing radicals like antifa infiltrating protest marches to exploit Floyd’s death"

Isn't it to progs' advantage to acknowledge that this is happening--since the obvious alternative is that local minorities are to blame for the mayhem? Or is shielding the far left from blame more important? If so, I call systemic racism.

And by the way, if "riots" are part of "protests," just an expression of righteous, understandable anger, the burning needed to make forests grow, then why take offense at attribution of responsibility at all?

It seems progs haven't quite settled on how to fit the riots into their narrative.

Temujin said...

Seriously. Is anyone surprised at this? If you're honest, you had to know this was easily predictable. The NY Times has been a laughingstock for years now. At this point its fully integrated the latest generation of Journalists! They come with proper credentials (i.e. indoctrination) from the proper schools. They can't think clearly, they have no knowledge of economics, politics, or history, so clearly they are the ones to decide the direction of this paper. (Just ask Ben Rhodes, Obama's former National Security Advisor- he knew how lame they were and used it.)

Look- this is the same rag that got Pulitzer Prizes for covering up, nay- propping up Joseph Stalin while he was MURDERING 10 million or more in Russia and the Ukraine. This paper has gotten away with murder- literally. They were, and continue to be, a mess. Yet there are those who continue to regard it as 'the paper of record'. If you stop using that as your source, you'll find that there are actual news sources out there. NY Times has been turned over to teenaged thinkers dressed as adults. It's not going to be any prettier going forward. This is a news organization that needs to be ignored.

MayBee said...

Would the NYT let these facts from John McWhorter sneak into their pages?
https://time.com/4404987/police-violence/

He discusses the actual numbers behind the idea that black men are especially victims of police killings.

mesquito said...

I’ve always understood that when a newspaper runs an op-ed by, say, Vladimir Putin or the Taliban or, Heaven forbid, a Republican U.S. Senator, that is in itself worthy of attention regardless of any factual claims.

Also, I haven’t seen exactly what it was that was so objectionable about this column. That leads me to believe that any factual error s worth either minor or didn’t happen.

Duke Dan said...

I came across this video online where a man analyzed the video he took at a protest which pretty clearly shows organized infiltrators escalating destruction from within an otherwise non violent protest. Consider this the facts Tom Cotton was asserting. https://www.instagram.com/p/CA6b0TWHYNF/

iowan2 said...

Can't allow debate on the merits of Cotton's op-ed. Which I see as 100% accurate. An overwhelming show of force, and dominating the streets will protect all citizens, protestors or not. Protect private and public property. The idiocy of allowing the "wilding" serves no interests.
Nobody wants to engage in that debate. No one wants to examine the facts.

Unknown said...

Times is purifying

From now on only preach Gospel of wokeness

Kevin said...

Shorter article: nothing is factual until it runs in the Times and we can’t have non-Times people deciding what’s factual.

Eleanor said...

It kind of makes all of those anti-bullying public service announcements the left puts out comedy gold, doesn't it?

Kevin said...

Is Donald Trump’s suit blue today?

We can’t know unless the Times tells us tomorrow.

Kevin said...

WAPO: Democracy dies in darkness.

NYT: I am the light of the world.

rehajm said...

There are young people driving stolen cars, switching out license plates, wearing black clothes like a uniform, covering their faces, caught on camera participating in riotous acts. There are Facebook posts about dates and places Antifa will riot and on those dates in those places Antifa like people were present and rioting.

NYT claims it isn't evidence until NYT reports it is evidence.

rehajm said...

Shortly after Trump won the election in an op-ed NYT gave itself permission to suspend journalistic ethics because it believed it was too important not to do so.

Apparently that policy is still in effect.

stevew said...

It isn't true until the NYT reports it? What could possibly go wrong?

And how did an Op-Ed threaten and endanger anyone on the NYT's staff?

cacimbo said...

Did not know the NYTimes is still not reporting that the rioting is led by Antifa.Disgusting.If we are going to insist on accuracy the words "news" and "journalism" should not be used to describe the NYTimes or their employees. Publication and propagandists are much more appropriate words.

Kevin said...

Bari Weiss at the NYT tweets:

“The civil war inside The New York Times between the (mostly young) wokes the (mostly 40+) liberals is the same one raging inside other publications and companies across the country. The dynamic is always the same.

The Old Guard lives by a set of principles we can broadly call civil libertarianism. They assumed they shared that worldview with the young people they hired who called themselves liberals and progressives. But it was an incorrect assumption.

The New Guard has a different worldview, one articulated best by @JonHaidt and @glukianoff. They call it "safetyism," in which the right of people to feel emotionally and psychologically safe trumps what were previously considered core liberal values, like free speech.

... Here's one way to think about what's at stake: The New York Times motto is "all the news that's fit to print." One group emphasizes the word "all." The other, the word "fit."


More at the link.

Kevin said...

Does anyone now question why Trump needs to keep tweeting?

And why the left is so desperate to shut him down?

Matt Sablan said...

Wait. Is there really STILL a question on whether or not antifa is involved?

rehajm said...

58% of americans share cotton's view according to morning consult polling
https://assets.morningconsult.com/wp-uploads/2020/06/01181629/2005131_crosstabs_POLICE_RVs_FINAL_LM-1.pdf

- per Thao Nguyen

Jersey Fled said...

As of yesterday, 51 persons have been arrested on Federal charges related to the rioting. Anyone care to guess how long it will take for these little white ninnies to pee their pants and start to sqeal?

And by the way, it turns out that the NY lawyer who was arrested for trying to fire bomb a police car was bailed out by a former Obama White House employee who works for big DC law firm.

n.n said...

the far-left anti-fascism activist movement

This is where the NYT gets it wrong. The NYT asserts that Antifa is anti-fascist contrary to the evidence that they are a left-wing movement that hopes and dreams to normalize single/central solutions in collusion with private special and peculiar interests.

n.n said...

I would like to know more about the facts behind the assertion the op-ed put their black employees in danger.

Diversity, diversitists, and color blocs a la post-apartheid Progressive South Africa lynching blacks and native whites.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

"left-wing radicals like antifa infiltrating protest marches to exploit Floyd’s death for their own anarchic purposes," but the NYT has not yet reported that the violent element was antifa. It's news story on June 1 had said "conservative commentators are asserting with little evidence that antifa, the far-left anti-fascism activist movement coordinates the riots and looting."


Antifa is sociopath and fascist. They are about seeking revenge and smashing things. gouging eyes.. burning cop cars.

all that.

The leftwing hack press are fine with it. Ignore it., excuse it. diminish it.

Wince said...

It's news story on June 1 had said "conservative commentators are asserting with little evidence that antifa, the far-left anti-fascism activist movement coordinates the riots and looting."

Show me where the NYT issued the same kind of disclaimer when Obama administration officials would publicly assert Russian collusion immediately after they testified under oath in secret hearings that they had no such evidence.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

The collective left in the media and the top brass inside The Party - must excuse and diminish Antifa fascism sociopath archaists - because the collective left SIDE with them.

See tick tok.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

the media create ignore facts and evidence to fit the D-narrative. Nothing new. And they are doing so with regard to Antifa fascism.

There is a shit pile of evidence that Antifa fascists are infiltrating protests and doing nothing but destruction.

The media are looking for a scapegoat all while they PROVIDE COVER for a criminal terrorist enterprise.


Molly said...

(eaglebeak)

What's this business about Op Eds needing to be factual? Is that why the Times ran Op Eds by people like Putin? Because they were factual?

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

NTY supports white boy racists called Antifa.

bbkingfish said...

Antifa is a granfalloon.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

NYT - where evidence can be used or filed away at will, for The Party.

Evidence at the NYT = ALL narrative based. Where evidence exists - it will be ignored. Where it is lacking - it will be stuffed like a padded bra. Where evidence proves an uncomfortable truth that makes the democrat party look bad - evidence will be ignored and replaces with other evidence.
We don't have journalism anymore. We have left-wing propaganda.

TreeJoe said...

"The Times said in a statement that a 'rushed editorial process' led to publication of a piece that did not meet its standards.... Earlier Thursday, Times publisher A.G. Sulzberger and editorial page editor James Bennet defended its publication, saying they believed it was important to discuss controversial ideas in a public forum rather than keep them quiet. But, the Times reported that later, Bennet revealed that he had not read Cotton’s piece prior to its publication. "

So first their publisher and editorial page editor considered the criticism and defended the article and their right to publish it.

Then they said the editorial page editor HADNT READ AN OP ED BY A US SENATOR PUBLISHED IN HIS SECTION BEFORE PUBLICATION.

Now they say it doesn't meet their editorial standards?

Hey, here's a fucking clue. You just admitted you HAVE NO EDITORIAL STANDARDS as you'll publish things without the editor reading them first. Then defend their publication. And only with sufficient pushback acknowledge you didn't actually consider your job relevant.

Paper of Record my ass.

MayBee said...

Ha Wince! It's true! The NYT reported on Russia Collusion, therefore it was a fact that could be used over and over and over again!

Iman said...

The NYT is a “mindless woke mob”.

JAORE said...

One reason I am far further to the political right than a few years ago is that I believe in free speech. Even when not under governmental control I prefer more speech and both sides arguments than less. FWIW I have never, to my recollection, urged banning of any that comment here. Although after the third or fourth round of, "I know what YOU are, but what am I?" I tend to skim past certain pairs of poo flingers.

But I have grown increasingly alarmed by the rise of "hate speech" labeled (labeled by me, not thee), the ACLU backing off of their brave stands like supporting the Clan marchers years ago. But the newest, worst technique is the heckler's veto on steroids. Say something I don't like and I won't bother to argue against you. I will label you with the most obscene name I can find. I will broadcast your name, address and family information. I will get you fired.

The NYTs is paying Dane-geld. Cowardice or stupidity? Screw them all.



Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Antifa infiltrates peaceful protests to turn them violent

"Antifa is well-trained and acts in coordination to start violent riots. A protester at a Black Lives Matter rally took this incredible video of antifa destroying a police car and setting it on fire in under a minute and then disappearing into the crowd to let the protesters take the heat. That’s not easy to do without a lot of practice. These are expert provocateurs, not amateurs.

video

watch the whole thing.

coordinated sociopath terrorism. Straight up.

You know you're looking at Antifa leftwing radical sociopaths when you see a group in full-masks and full face covering. They look like terrorists.

Funny how everyone else is uncovered.

JAORE said...

"the far-left anti-fascism activist movement"

If I formed a group called the Lovers of Fluffy Bunnies and the NYTs found out my group was hunting rabbits for sport, do you think I might be called out on it?

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

I find antifa’s presence and participation in rioting to be a very curious fact to dispute this far into events. The Old Gray Skank seems to regularly mine twitter for news yet they somehow overlook several million threats to riot from antifa on social media, missed the Bernie Bros bragging that Milwaukee and other cities would burn if Bernie got dncrewed again like he did, and the law enforcement nationwide that has complained about out of town pro protesters. Suddenly self-declared anarchists aren’t legit enuf for NYT? Really? One photo of an innocent teen flashing a peace sign is good enuf to smear him as a racist yet self-declared criminal anarchists organizing right in front of the Times is something they can’t even confirm or deny with DOJ or FBI or any source? Is it just like a hunch the Times has that antifa doesn’t exist? I don’t understand their irrational denial.

They are complicit. They have made a pact with antifa not to photograph and publicize them. Every dnc-media hack is studious you ignore the organized destruction around them in order to keep the truth from America. Our current media actors are choosing to be enemies of the people of civilization of America. When will the media ever be held to account for assisting in the destruction of our cities?

chuck said...

Red alert, red alert, leak in the bubble detected. All non-essential personnel stay in your quarters while repairs are underway. That is all.

bagoh20 said...

Why do you read that propaganda rag? Do you prefer to be dumb?

n.n said...

NTY supports white boy racists called Antifa.

That's not woke. They're not "racists", they are diversitists with liberal license to indulge color judgments.

Jeff Brokaw said...

Here’s a much better fix, NYT. This whole issue just goes away if *you* take accountability for reporting “all the news that’s fit to print”.

But they’d prefer to filter the news to their liking and then act all butt-hurt when someone calls out their shitty reporting in an opinion piece, and then use that bullshit outrage to start censoring those opinions.

Lance said...

I wasn't going to read the Cotton Op-ed, although I thought it was interesting that someone who served a tour in Iraq and one in Afghanistan would think it was a good idea to have the military use those tactics in the United States.

After the shit storm it made me curious, so I read it. I think Cotton makes a few factual errors, one is the use of the term rioters which could use a bit of fleshing out and also the statement on Antifa.

I think the allegations that Antifa are behind the quite professional and organized burglaries of drugs, guns, luxury goods and easily fenced items is hilarious. It would be like saying that it's white supremacists behind them. There is little evidence that it is Antifa or other far leftwing or rightwing groups behind the mayhem. It makes much more sense to me that the looting is opportunistic and to the extent that it is organized, it's by professional criminal organizations.

I think it was good that the NYT published that Op-ed. The use of the military within the United States to control protests and keep the peace is an important argument to have. I just want to point out that a few weeks ago it was the Conservatives that were worried about it.

London Girl said...

National Review has an account of the editorial the piece went through which is somewhat different - and frankly more plausible - than the NYT "the dog ate my homework before I could read it" version.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/06/tom-cotton-new-york-times-op-ed-inside-story/

Static Ping said...

If the New York Times is publishing things without reading them first, then the New York Times is a worthless institution. It's death will be a blessing for all of us.

That said, this story they are presenting is Grade A bull****. The "woke" employees and "woke" subscribers now have effective control of the newspaper and they will decide what is and what is not acceptable based purely on their own feelings and biases. Facts no longer matter. News no longer matters. Truth no longer matters. OBEY.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

This Video should be turned over to the FBI.

(tho - our FBI is mostly inept, corrupt, and leftwing itself)

Who are those masked white Antifa thugs? The woman in the yellow hat is clearly in charge.
White leftwing Antifa sociopath.

We all Must play a roll in fighting and exposing leftwing fascism. Antifa hide behind not only their cowardly masks, but a left-wing press who are decidedly un-interested in exposing their terror.

So - everyone - TURN YOUR CAMERA PHONES ON. Expose the mask-wearing white leftwing thugs.

Bob Boyd said...

All the news that's safe to print.

Bob Boyd said...

Democracy doesn't die in darkness if you pour gas on it and set it on fire.

Static Ping said...

The New York Times goes full totalitarian; Ann tries to find excuses for it.

Ann, it is time to admit this is an abusive relationship.

Inga said...

“A particular problem with Cotton's piece was that it said "left-wing radicals like antifa infiltrating protest marches to exploit Floyd’s death for their own anarchic purposes," but the NYT has not yet reported that the violent element was antifa. It's news story on June 1 had said "conservative commentators are asserting with little evidence that antifa, the far-left anti-fascism activist movement coordinates the riots and looting."

The obsession with Antifa by the right is over the top and telling. It displays the unwillingness to believe the many reports of right wing extremists groups who have been seen and some even arrested for larceny, arson etc.embedded in the protests. It displays an unwillingness to accept the fact that there are bad actors on the right. The right doesn’t want to be associated with such extreme groups, yet go out of their way to associate the left with a movement like Antifa. Guess what righties, you have some extremists on your side that make Antifa look like Boy Scouts.

These right wing groups under the umbrella of “Boogaloo” have been seen inciting and agitating in protests across the country, yet the right refuses to acknowledge this. All we’ve heard for months and years even, is Antifa, Antifa, Antifa. There are going to be more reports of the Boogaloo movement and associated groups as time and protests go on. Get used to hearing about them as much as we hear about the dreaded Antifa.

Inga said...

Federal agents arrested the men, Stephen Parshall and Andrew Lynam, along with a third man, William Loomis, before they allegedly planned to disrupt a Black Lives Matter protest in Las Vegas. They face federal charges of conspiracy and possession of unregistered firearms and multiple terrorism-related state charges. Prosecutors say the men had planned to use firebombs and explosives to create chaos and panic that would lead to riots. The men are being held in the Clark County jail on $1 million bond each.

According to a criminal complaint filed Wednesday in the U.S. District Court in Nevada, all three, who are white and have U.S. military experience, “self-identified as part of the ‘boogaloo’ movement,” a disparate yet growing collection of extremists, including far-right militias, radical gun rights activists, white supremacists and neo-Nazis. As noted in the criminal complaint, “‘Boogaloo’ is a term used by extremists to signify a coming civil war and/or fall of civilization.”

The arrests and the details of the investigation leading up to it offer perhaps the most concrete evidence to date of the role extremists may be playing in some of the violence and destruction during otherwise peaceful protests over the past two weeks. And it sheds new light on how such groups or individuals have sought to exploit other events to advance their agenda of bringing down the U.S. government, leading, in some versions of the ideology, to the creation of a white “ethno-state.”

Jeff Brokaw said...

What exactly is the point of allowing op-eds in the first place?

I’m fairly certain it’s not to censor the dissenting voices that present the relevant facts in their argument according to your news judgment whims.

This is the bed the media has made for itself over the decades — cherry-picking what is news and what is not. Pretending true things do not exist, and gaslighting the news-reading public by repeatedly asserting things as facts that were never true in the first place. It’s not Tom Cotton’s problem, in reality, but nothing in the news business is in the remotely connected to reality.

And even when someone like Cotton states something that is clearly just untrue, and easily refuted because everyone knows it’s not true, well ... let people refute it in letters and other op-eds.

Inga said...

Boogallo Bois in their Hawaiian shirts at a peaceful,protest at the Alamo

Boogaloo boy stealing police vest from police car and inciting violence.

Boogaloos with guns agitating at protest

Inga said...

Boogaloo with gun menacing protestors, gets in scuffle with protestors, knocks cop down, hurting him. Protestors help cop.

MayBee said...

Great! Let's arrest all the Boogaloo boys too!

Francisco D said...

Click on Inga's links regarding the boogaloo bois and you will hear opinions that there might be boogaloos, according to a WaPo article. So far, no one has captured one of these rarities.

If they do find boogaloo bois, I say we should put them in the same zoo as the unicorns, yetis, Big Foots and Loch Ness monster.

Thanks, Inga. Once again you have posted something that you did not mentally process or understand.

Mike Sylwester said...

One consequence of hiring Blacks is that they might be endangered.

The employer goes through all the trouble and expense of hiring and training them -- but then they are endangered.

Seems like a risky investment for the employer.

Openidname said...

"Sebastian said...

"Isn't it to progs' advantage to acknowledge that this is happening--since the obvious alternative is that local minorities are to blame for the mayhem?"

Yes, but the party line is that white supremacists are to blame, rather than Antifa. Note that Inga pivoted right to it.

So ignore the fact that we all saw skinny ninja-wannabees, not Hawaiian shirt-wearing guntoters, rioting on TV.

Bilwick said...

"Did not meet its standards" meaning "too pro-freedom?"

They should run an op-ed by Inga the State's Handmaid. You'd never catch her being too pro-freedom!

JAORE said...

Nice finds,Inga. You have highlighted a majority of the Boogaloogymen in the country.

Michael K said...

Inga knows who is rioting and,like every vegan I've ever met, is eager to tell you. Over and over and over.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

We are still waiting for you to denounce Antifa terror, Inga.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

The so-called right wing extremists are a pimple on the ass of the much larger Antifa movement.

Antifa is former Occupy.

It's massive.

gerry said...

ADDED: Why isn't there more reporting in the NYT about who's responsible for the violence and disorder accompanying the protests? A rational inference is that they are not pursuing it or they are suppressing what they have because it impugns the left. Please rebut that presumption if it's wrong, NYT.

Very well said.

BUT: Reportage like that would make the NYT staff feel VERY unsafe.

cacimbo said...

Grass root riots are localized.These Antifa/BLM riots are the opposite. Antifa has spent decades building a world wide organization. Come on - why would people in New Zealand, UK, Australia, France, The Netherlands....... be marching in the streets by the thousands over a guy killed in the middle of the United States.This weeks anti-capitalism riots (does anyone really still believe they are about Floyd) are well organized. The leaders directed their followers to "protest" simultaneously at multiple locations in every borough in NYC. That prevented NYPD from following their usual tactic of containment by flooding the zone with police. Antifa studies police response and designs riot plans to thwart.I am so grateful that Trump finally declared Antifa a terrorist organization. Their violence and the growing threat the pose to average citizens has been allowed to grow unchecked for too long.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Inga @ 9:09
That first video is hilarious.

Hawaiian shirt guy: "If you guys want to go burn down the police station, we don't care."
..He says to a guy wearing a Kapernick shirt, who shugs and gives up. LOL!
How inconvenient, Inga. Antifa want to burn down the police station too!

The other videos are weak sauce. Oh look - one guy! One boogaloo stole a police vest!

We must focus on Boogaloo and ignore Antifa. Why? Because the hack press and the leadership of the democrat party stand shoulder to shoulder with a pack of sociopaths and anarchists.


Lance said...

It doesn't seem like there are substantive debates anymore. The issue of whether the military should be called upon like Senator Cotton is advocating is an important argument. It's not an issue that cuts ideologically either, as there seems to be a great deal of reluctance to do that on the right and left.

The fact is that there are protests and people are really angry and most of the people that are out protesting are doing it because they saw the video of George Floyd dying, or the video of the 75 year old man pushed down by police in Rochester and the police doing nothing while he was bleeding out of his ear. They are angry and some of them are vandalizing, looting, and rioting. Criminals are taking advantage of the chaos.

Should the military be called upon now? Will that make it better or worse? I personally think that the police and National Guard are capable of handling this if they focus more on the criminals and less on the peaceful protesters. I'm willing to hear other suggestions.

Inga said...

“They seemed lost”, they don’t know the city of Milwaukee very well I guess. How many Antifa have been arrested in these protests? So far we are hearing about Boogaloos, but no Antifa being arrested.

Amidst Black Lives Matter protests around the city yesterday in Bay View, Downtown and the East Side, word circulated of another rally, scheduled for 7 p.m. at Humboldt Park—a meet up of the “Boogaloo Bois,” who also refer to themselves as the “Boojahideen.” The “boogaloo” is a term that refers to a civil war with the government. This local group declared they were not Alt Right or white supremacist but “a libertarian movement; pro-liberty, pro-2A (second amendment) and pro-individual rights.

In Milwaukee, protestors confronted the Boojahideen online, pointing out that their armed presence would be dangerous as it would give law enforcement an excuse to open fire on the crowd. At 7 p.m., Humboldt Park was quiet, with no signs of a rally. Concerns grew when protest organizer Frank Nitty said that he had received death threats, so speculation grew if the Boogaloos had something to do with it and were searching for him. An hour later a livestream appeared on Facebook that showed a group of about six Hawaiian shirt clad people wandering around the East Side (they seemed lost) carrying cases of water to give to protestors. Later, around 11 p.m., an apparently separate Booglaoo group appeared on North Avenue, where they stood on the corner near Von Trier’s flaunting firearms, and then seemed to briefly join in with the march.

Jupiter said...

No apologies accepted. Burn 'em down with the journalists inside.

Bruce Hayden said...

“That said, this story they are presenting is Grade A bull****. The "woke" employees and "woke" subscribers now have effective control of the newspaper and they will decide what is and what is not acceptable based purely on their own feelings and biases. Facts no longer matter. News no longer matters. Truth no longer matters. OBEY.”

It looks like everyone here, with the late addition by our resident liberal troll, see what is going on. The core of the rioting is well organized nationally, and the left, led by AntiFA and other Soros funded fellow travelers, have been engaged in planning and training probably since last summer. We all here (with the noted exception) saw it coming this summer. The only question was “when?”

The problem is that AntiFA, etc are the Dems’s new KKK, their shock troops. Much of the country knows it. The President has identified them as a terrorist group. That was based on hard evidence gathered by our premier law enforcement and intelligence agencies. Trump didn’t make it up. Neither did Cotton. It would be very bad optics if the Dems were tied closely in the minds of the public with the terrorism, firebombing, and now even cold blooded murder being practiced by their militant arm, esp in an election year.

The new, younger, breed at the NYT, see their job not as informing the public of what is happening around them, but rather with furthering a progressive narrative. Thus, their metric is not truth or falseness, but rather usefulness to the cause. If that sounds familiar, it is because it isn’t new. This sort of journalism was practiced by the Nazis and the Soviets, and is currently practiced maybe even more aggressively by the ChiComs. If it was useful to their benefactors, it was true. If it wasn’t useful, it was treated as false, or, in dire emergencies, like this, where the evidence was overwhelming, it was treated as yet unproven. Instapundit keeps showing, on occasion that photograph of Stalin with a group of his toadies walking along, and then a later version of that photo with the person to his left edited out of the photo, as if he had never existed or been close to Stalin. That is what is going on here. And Cotton had rudely pulled the curtain aside, exposing the reality of the organization behind the violence, anarchism, and, now, murder, and that the progressive interests that they were shilling for, was behind it.

Think of the younger generation at the NYT as the ones doing the programming of the populace at the beginning of the Matrix that kept almost everyone complacent and happy. Their job is to program and maintain the one true narrative (until, as in Stalin’s time, the narrative has to change and be corrected, because of personnel changes, etc). As with Stalin and Hitler, some are true believers, while some are cynically manipulators.

We all know this is happening right now. Just some struggle to maintain their illusions.

Charlie said...

Senator Cotton's account of the editorial vetting process sounds like it was pretty thoroughly fact-checked and edited by the NYT staff: The Inside Story of the Tom Cotton Editorial

Michael K said...

More evidence, and it's not boogaloo.

Sorry, Inga. No I'm not.

Bob Boyd said...

Well said, Bruce Hayden, as always.

that photo with the person to his left edited out of the photo, as if he had never existed or been close to Stalin.

If I'm not mistaken, that was Stalin's own son.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Antifa=Occupy=Acorn=WWP=BLM=SDS=KKK

DEMOCRATS and their fellow travelers all the way down.

Inga said...

“Just some struggle to maintain their illusions.”

Indeed you don’t struggle to maintain your illusions about the extent of Antifa involvement.

Inga said...

“Prepare for civil war...”

Calypso Facto said...

I've avoided digging into the comical assertions about Buggaloo Bois so far, but Inga's link brings me up to speed on the danger: some anonymous people said some mean things online and then 6 lost, white guys handed out water to protesters in Milwaukee. Oh noooooooos! Right-wing revolution in progress!

hombre said...

Antifa is to the Democrats what the IRA was to Sinn Fein. Of course, their presence will go unreported by the leftmediaswine!

Francisco D said...

I think Inga has figured out that Putin ordered Carter Page, Michael Flynn and George Papadopolous to organize the Boogaloo Bois and start all this rioting.

Maybe Bob Mueller should investigate because we still don't know what Mueller knows.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

The FBI reports that boogaloos in Hawaiian shirts were planning to blow up the Federal courthouse in Richmond, VA. Oh, no, wait, my bad, it's Inga's homies who were doing that!

"The FBI was notified of the marking one day after being notified by an officer of another law enforcement agency that unidentified individuals “believed to be members, or associates, of a local anarchist/ANTIFA group,” were “overheard discussing burning down the Richmond courthouse,” according to the report.

The Richmond Police Department said it seized fire accelerants along with multiple handguns, gas masks and sets of ballistic body armor after arresting seven individuals early Wednesday morning. It’s unclear if those individuals are connected to the earlier vandalism of the Richmond courthouse."

Too bad Inga is about 50 years too old to go do the radical chic Patty Hearst thing and fight with her radical darlings. She'd break a hip if she tried rioting now. But her heart's with them!

walter said...

Hey Inga,
How about you learn how to provide a link without including the excerpt. It's really annoying to read your wisdom presented that way.
We will not be silent about The Water Brigade Bois!

Jim at said...

As I said yesterday, these riots can be stopped by the government in an orderly fashion, or by the citizenry in a not-so-orderly fashion.

Choose wisely, leftists. Or not. But they will end.

Jim at said...

There is little evidence that it is Antifa or other far leftwing or rightwing groups behind the mayhem.

It's overstated, but there is simply no other way to describe it to you, Lance.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

Vance said...

Here in Salt Lake City, the local cops did some smart police work. We've only had one riot, last saturday. The next day, the cops arrested two men on their way to the protest. Those men had several loaded weapons, and when they searched their homes they found lots more.

Why did they arrest these men? They were making direct and specific threats to go kill cops at the protest that night. They were spouting off all the stuff Inga loves to say about black lives only mattering and the evils of having a police force to prevent looting.

Those are the kinds of people Inga loves, loves, loves.

Story in the Deseret News.

Tina Trent said...

Antifa maims cops. Regular dirtbag bottom-dwellers and BLM thugs shoot them. Old white lady leftists sneeringly celebrate dead cops and protect the guilty. A stray brick might teach some manners.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Boogaloo is just the media scapegoat - so they don't have to talk about the much larger terrorist organization that is leftwing Antifa.

JaimeRoberto said...

Hawaiian shirts seem to be a very poor choice of camouflage if you are planning to start a riot.

Greg the class traitor said...

"A particular problem with Cotton's piece was that it said "left-wing radicals like antifa infiltrating protest marches to exploit Floyd’s death for their own anarchic purposes," but the NYT has not yet reported that the violent element was antifa."

So the "problem" with Cotton's piece was that he reported facts that the Times wanted suppressed.

Ok.

"Whether Cotton was right or wrong about the facts, there is a problem with factual assertions in op-eds. I've written op-eds for the NYT, and it was with a very short deadline and I was trusted to get the facts in order."

But Cotton DID get his facts in order, and utterly correct.

Jersey Fled said...

The good thing about being a conservative these days is that time proves us right about 99% of the time.

The bad news about being Inga is that the opposite is true about her. She still hasn't declared here (to my knowledge) whether she still believes that Trump or anyone associated with him colluded with the Russians to steal the 2016 election.

But at least she seems to have moved past her gleeful reporting of everyone who died from the Corona virus. At least for now.

Greg the class traitor said...

Howard said...
Cotton, who speaks for the deplorable mob gets bent by the success of the woke mob.

Gee, Howard, I seem to be suffering from total memory failure here. Please help me!

I can't remember any of the riots thrown by the "deplorable mob". you know, the ones where tehy burned down businesses, killed police officers, killed peaceful bystanders, etc. I'm sure, from your description, that there must have been hundreds of them, but I can't remember any at all.

So, when and where were they all?

Greg the class traitor said...

Inga said...
The obsession with Antifa by the right is over the top and telling. It displays the unwillingness to believe the many reports of right wing extremists groups who have been seen

"We saw 4 people at a riot of 500 people, where the massive power of those 4 white supremacists caused the riot!"

Only a actual white supremacists would think that whites had such a massive mind control power over blacks. Stop being such a bigot, Inga!

some even arrested for larceny, arson etc.embedded in the protests.

"Some". The weasel word of the knowingly dishonest.

So Inga, how many is "some"? Give us a number, backed up with links to credible reports of their arrests. And we'll compare that "some" to the actual numbers of Antifa goons who've been arrested and charged

Joanne Jacobs said...

I was an editorial board member, editorial writer and op-ed columnist for the San Jose Mercury News for 22 years. I can't imagine the editorial page editor not reading a column by a U.S. senator. Cotton's staff told Rich Lowrey at the National Review that they went back and forth three times with New York Times editors discussing changes to the column, including factual issues, before it was approved.

The decision to accept fewer op-ed columns by outsiders is very unfortunate. It locks the Times into its own groupthink. Capitulating to staff members who can't handle a disagreeable opinion is a huge mistake.

I'm puzzled about the use of "unsafe." Do they mean "makes me feel bad?" Or do they think they are more likely to be shot or otherwise assaulted by National Guardsmen than by police or rioters? "Unsafe" has been used so broadly of late that it's lost its meaning.

Finally, there's lots of evidence of antifa infiltration of protests, as Cotton wrote. It's much less clear that any group is coordinating or controlling the violence. During the "long hot summer" of 1967, there were 159 race riots across the country, says Wikipedia.

Greg the class traitor said...

Joanne Jacobs said...
I'm puzzled about the use of "unsafe."

I thought the usage was pretty clear. The people saying it believe that all NYT "black" staffers are criminal thugs who spend their days looting, burning, and otherwise destroying private black-owned businesses.

I thought it was a bit harsh and bigoted of the NYT people to say that about their co-workers. But "white progressives are a bunch of racists" is not a surprising situation