May 30, 2020

With violent protests in Atlanta, has potential VP nominee Stacey Abrams taken the opportunity to distinguish herself?

Now is the time to show leadership and courage. I found "Georgia politicians condemn violent protests, others see 'day of reckoning'" at AJC. The "day of reckoning" quote is not Abrams's. The part about her is just:
Stacey Abrams, the 2018 Democratic gubernatorial candidate and a potential vice presidential nominee, urged those infuriated by the police brutality to channel their anger to the ballot box.

“As long as those who suborn injustice are in charge, nothing changes,” she said. "So we must vote. Not because voting is the only answer, but it is one that we can’t afford to ignore.”
I don't understand the idea. Is she suggesting that Atlantans vote against Democrats? The mayor of Atlanta has been a Democrat since 1855, with one exception from 1871 to 1872. That one exception was a Republican. How is voting an answer in Atlanta? What does Abrams even mean? How can it resonate with violent protesters in Atlanta?

Who governed Atlanta before 1855? There were 3 mayors from no party at all, and before that, 2 mayors from the Moral Party, and before that, 3 mayors from the Free and Rowdy Party.

What was the Moral Party? The 4th mayor of Atlanta Jonathan Norcross said the Moral Party was "American statesmen defend[-ing] their principles of 'classical republicanism, with arguments drawn from Aristotle, Publius, and Cicero.'"

The Moral Party was distinguished from the Free and Rowdy Party, the party of the first 3 mayors of Atlanta.
The Rowdies included many owners of distilleries, bars and brothels, and represented most of what the city was, especially as an outpost along the railroads. They existed in direct opposition to the Moral Party, which called for temperance and chastity. The two parties were also said to differ on approaches to civil engagement, and so where the Rowdies were the party of militant disorder, the Moral Party promoted law and order. Atlanta's fourth Mayor, Jonathan Norcross, was a member of the Moral Party, and used city hall to so harass the Rowdies that many moved out of what was then incorporated into the city, to places like Snake Nation and Murrell's Row.
So...  the Rowdies were the party of militant disorder.... That resonates with Atlanta these days.

If we look at Minneapolis, the site of the death that led to the current protests, we see another city  run by the Democratic Party — which is called the Democratic Farmer Labor Party there. That party has run the city since 1945, when Hubert H. Humphrey became mayor. [ADDED: There were actually 2 Republican mayors since 1945, one from 1957 to 1961 and another for 2 days, December 31, 1973 to January 2, 1974. And there was an independent who served from 1969 to 1973 and again from 1976 to 1977. So no one but a Democrat since 1977 and no Republican since 1961 unless you count that one guy who was mayor for 2 days.]

By the way, HHH was one of the ex-Vice Presidents who became the Democratic Party's nominee for President and then lost. When is the last time the Democratic Party nominated an ex-Vice President who went on to win the presidency? The recent losers are Al Gore (2000), Walter Mondale (1984), and Hubert Humphrey (1968). I invite you to go back into the list of candidates for President and see if  you can find an example. I'm not asking for Democratic Vice Presidents who became President because the President died. I mean a former VP who ran to become President and then won. You'll find some Republicans, but I don't think you'll find a Democrat in the last 100 years. Was there ever one? I know there's a Democrat who lost as a VP nominee and then went on to win as the party's presidential nominee. But find me an example of a Democrat in Joe Biden's position.

ADDED: One answer to my question is Martin Van Buren, who was VP under Andrew Jackson and then ran for President and won in 1846. I believe he is the only one.

83 comments:

Jersey Fled said...

Ann:

You just don't understand. The evil people who need voting out are always Republicans.

exhelodrvr1 said...

It is simple. The problems will start being resolved when blacks stop voting Democrat at a 90% rate.

Kevin said...

“As long as those who suborn injustice are in charge, nothing changes,” she said.

Biden used to be in charge.

It seems like more black people were killed by cops back then.

Kevin said...

Stacy Abrams is always “distinguishing” herself.

whitney said...

I can't believe you're seriously trying to make sense of what that woman says.

Harsh Pencil said...

Thomas Jefferson

Browndog said...

You'd think there would be no way to pin all this on Trump. But then again, there was no way Joe Biden strong arming the Ukraine government to protect his corrupt son would lead to Trump's impeachment.

Not a good night for America. I actually feel ashamed. It's a weird feeling to have.

Ann Althouse said...

I don't consider Jefferson's party to be the Democratic Party.

Temujin said...

They don't even have to 'channel their anger into voting' in November. The Democrat Party will do it for them. In fact, they are already doing it for them. National mail-in ballots. Ballot harvesting. Don't worry. Stacy Abrams and Co. will ensure that not another Republican will hold office in Georgia, or anywhere else. Because, All Republicans killed George Floyd. And...everything else bad.

I like that the Mayor of Atlanta, Keisha Lance Bottoms (who's name I previously mocked) got up, showed some leadership and anger, and told the protesters to stop destroying their city and "Go Home". But the idea of channeling their anger at the ballot box is a false option. This is saying: Republicans and/or Trump did this to you.

Atlanta hasn't seen a Republican Mayor since the 1800s, if I'm not mistaken. Most of the cities on fire have been run by Democrats for at least 50 years, minimum. And, if you look at the faces of those doing half (or most?) of the burning, they are not angry black faces. They're masked white liberals destroying those black cities.

Not sure how voting in November corrects that.

Anonymous said...

Aside from being a part-time fashion model, Ms Abrams is actually the real Governor of Georgia. At least, this was an article of faith at the Democrat debates - “Do you believe that Stacey Abrams was the winner of the Governor’s race?”

stevew said...

"Suborn"?

iowan2 said...

Cities are run by Democrats. Not just the elected, but the nuts and bolts civil servants. How long has Affirmative Action been around? Racial preferences? Appointment by skin color? The Democrat Party has declared a Black Female, shall be the Vice President nominee, because nothing spells success like skin color.

After decades of this, being hectored by Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson, Electing a half black President to signal our moral superiority, this is where we are.

I know its a long term solution, but what the experts have been doing the last 40 years is failing.

How about we try this?
Raise your children make sure they are well rested and fed so the can....
Go to school every day.
Graduate or continue with higher education, or get a job, and attend every day.
Dont create children unless you are married.
Men. Be a full time father to each of your offspring.

Here's a pro tip.
Government is incapable of changing social norms. Attempts will only worsen what ever issue is being addressed.

gspencer said...

High correlation between the places where the rioting is occurring and the Democrat Party being in charge of those places.

Harsh Pencil said...

Blogger Ann Althouse said...
I don't consider Jefferson's party to be the Democratic Party.

A man cannot step into the same river twice. Heraclitus

Automatic_Wing said...

Voting isn't the solution because there is no solution. Under any conceivable political system, up to and including full Antifa-led anarcho-socialist revolution, the occasional black guy is still going to die in the custody of the authorities.

gilbar said...

Look, it's Really Quite Simple
A) these cities are (and have been) exclusively run by democrats
B) these democrats IGNORE the Black vote, and Black concerns
therefore, THE SOLUTION IS: CONTINUED BLACK SUPPORT FOR THE DEMOCRATS

see? i Told You it was simple!

Chanie said...

This! So much this! The media and these crowds of "protestors" are so transparent. Minneapolis, St. Paul, Chicago, Houston, Atlanta, Louisville -- apparently all hotbeds of racial inequality and police violence against minorities. What do they all have in common?? Decades of local Democrat rule! If the situation is really so bad they should vote the existing leadership -- the mayors, city council members, aldermen -- out! But we're supposed to believe this is some sort of recent racist poison dripping down from the oval office and infecting the country? Give me a break.

Matt Sablan said...

"How is voting an answer in Atlanta? What does Abrams even mean? How can it resonate with violent protesters in Atlanta?"

-- Because she is pretending that the problem is Trump, not literally over a century of failed leadership at the city, state and local levels.

jaydub said...

Abrams isn't talking about the local Atlanta government (mayor, city council president, eight city council members, Police leadership, Fire Leadership, many department heads, etc are AA as well as Democrat) shouldering any fault for the AA community's predicament in Atlanta, she's implying voting her in as VP would fix everything. Incompetent, inexperienced, sore loser, hack - should make a perfect VP for Biden.

Quayle said...

How about saying “Work hard each day to suppress and get rid of your anger because if you give into it, your anger will destroy you and hurt a lot of people around you on the way. You can start by choosing to be grateful for the things you have and steadily work on seeking more things for which to be grateful. And most importantly (pro tip) helping solve others problems and lift their burdens will rapidly rid you of anger and bring a joy you never knew you could experience.”

Forget “Republican” and “Democrat” as trademarks to personal solutions. They are trademarks only to general principles in the necessary balance at best, and at worst trademarks to partisan conflict.

Browndog said...

gspencer said...

High correlation between the places where the rioting is occurring and the Democrat Party being in charge of those places.


Cities with protests that required police response last night:

Jacob Frey
Mayor of Minneapolis, MN
Party: Democratic Party

Bill de Blasio
Mayor of New York City NY
Party: Democratic Party

Frank Cownie
Mayor of Des Moines, IA
Party: Democratic Party

Keisha Lance Bottoms
Mayor of Atlanta, GA
Party: Democratic Party

Thomas Bernabei
Mayor of Canton, OH
Party: Democratic Party

Andrew James Ginther
Mayor of Columbus, OH
Party: Democratic Party

Michael Edward Duggan
Mayor of Detroit, MI
Party: Democratic Party

Eric Johnson
Mayor of Dallas, TX
Party: Democratic Party

Greg Fischer
Mayor of Louisville, KY
Party: Democratic Party

Lori Lightfoot
Mayor of Chicago, IL
Party: Democratic Party

Bernard Young
Mayor of Baltimore, MD
Party: Democratic Party

Vi Lyles
Mayor of Charlotte, NC
Party: Democratic Party

Michael Hancock
Mayor of Denver, CO
Party: Democratic Party

Eric Garcetti
Mayor of Los Angeles, CA
Party: Democratic Party

Ted Wheeler
Mayor of Portland, OR
Party: Democratic Party

Sam Liccardo
Mayor of San Jose
Party: Democratic Party

Lovely Warren
Mayor of Rochester, NY
Party: Democratic Party

____

That said, it amounts to a pointless statistic. Might as well point out the sky is blue.

J. Farmer said...

@iowan2:

How about we try this?

If humans were angels, that would be a workable solution.

Government is incapable of changing social norms. Attempts will only worsen what ever issue is being addressed.

That might be true in some kind of legislative, fiat manner. But the state can certainly change social conditions that will impact social norms. Do you think mass immigration has an impact on norms? How about affirmative action? Or outsourcing the manufacturing sector to foreign countries? If the "free market" had its way, there would be no borders. Borders are an essential component to a society, and they are premised on state power.

RNB said...

It's not just the mayor's office in Atlanta that is and for a long time has been occupied by Democrats. This is from a 2006 AJC article about the race for a seat on the Fulton County Commission. (Atlanta is spread over Fulton and DeKalb counties.)'
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"Atlanta Mayor Shirley Franklin said Thursday that she doesn't regret her role in a controversial eleventh-hour campaign spot that raised the specter of black voters once again "fighting off dogs and water hoses" if a Republican candidate were elected to the Fulton County Board of Commissioners."
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Also appearing in the ad were civil rights icon and Congressman John Lewis and former U.N. ambassador Andrew Young. (The threat of a Republican on the Fulton County Commission was successfully fended off.)

RMc said...

That party has rule the city since 1945, when Hubert H. Humphrey became mayor.

Minneapolis has actually had three non-Dem mayors since 1945: Republican P. Kenneth Peterson (1957-61), independent Charles Stenvig (1969-73 and 1976-77) and Republican Richard Erdall, who was mayor for one day on December 31, 1973. (Obviously, Erdall screwed things up pretty badly!)

tcrosse said...

It sure looks a lot like 1968. Cities burning, Democrats in disarray. Let's hope there are no assassinations.

Roger Sweeny said...

Martin Van Buren was actually quite an important man in his day, a very powerful leader of the Party in New York state. He had the misfortune of being elected president just before the Panic of 1837 (in 1836, not '46). He quickly went from great respect to little, kind of like a 19th Century Herbert Hoover.

Readering said...

So 3 out of first 8 veeps were elected president. Common until stopped being common. Then 1968 inevitable.

tommyesq said...

Voting isn't the only answer... in other words, keep on rioting, burn Atlanta down, it's all good so long as you rhen vote for Abrams. Courage.

Big Mike said...


I don't consider Jefferson's party to be the Democratic Party.


At least up until Y2K the Maryland Democrats would annually gather for Jefferson-Jackson dinners, so until fairly recently any Democrat would call you a fool and an idiot for writing that.

I think that you’re right — “Mattie Van” is the first and only for Democrats. Thomas Jefferson was VP to John Adams, but Adams was a Federalist so the two were from different parties. Fascinating to me that the two men were friends during the Revolution, then bitter political enemies, and finally reconciled to each other by mutual friend Benjamin Rush and if not friends again, at least prolific pen pals. They even died within hours of each other on July 4, 1824, the 50th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. It’s a wonderful story.

Jersey Fled said...

BTW, Abrams has already distinguished herself by being less gracious in defeat than Richard Nixon.

J. Farmer said...

@gspecner:

High correlation between the places where the rioting is occurring and the Democrat Party being in charge of those places.

Cities will tend to always be more progressive relative to their surrounding population. Civilization was founded by cities and exported through imperialism.

Browndog said...

I know its a long term solution, but what the experts have been doing the last 40 years is failing.

That depends on the goal.

I'd call getting blacks to vote democrat at a rate of 96% a smashing success.

Bill, Republic of Texas said...

Jonathan Norcross, was a member of the Moral Party, and used city hall to so harass the Rowdies that many moved out of what was then incorporated into the city,

Ah he was an early Democrat.

Sally327 said...

I give Abrams credit for advocating that the protestors should try and effect change through the ballot box and not just shouting burn baby burn at them. And there is more than one kind of Democrat. There's Joe Biden and then there's Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Maybe Abrams is trying to position herself as the worthy successor to Bernie Sanders.

gspencer said...

ERRATA, Van Buren was elected in 1836, not 1846.

Delete this post once correction is noted.

wild chicken said...

At least they know how to spell "breathe" now.

The signs saying "I can't breath" last time were hilarious.

Rory said...

If van Buren was elected in 1846, Kramer would be dead today.

Fernandinande said...

We can all garner succor from Davey and Goliath's PSA, "Working Together" on Disasters.

You're welcome!

Bruce Hayden said...

Maybe not the right thread, but something I notice last night. In heavily Black DC, a majority of te protesters appeared to e white. Half of those protesting an expected immigration sweep in Phoenix had Anglo, and not Hispanic, surnames, the “protester” apparently throwing the first brick in Minneapolis was not only white, but dressed like an Anti First Amendment (AntiFA) thug, complete with completely black clothes, hoodie pulled up, and a full facial gas mask, etc. the truth is coming out. These aren’t BLM race riots. They are very likely Soros funded, well organized, militant protests aimed at winning the 2020 election. With the back of the pandemic broken, probably at least for the summer, this is the next phase in the War on Trump.

Bart Hall said...

Very minor correction ... Van Buren was elected President in 1836, not '46. Probably a typo, but to my knowledge he's the only one.

Here's another (related) fun point. The last mayor of NYC to be elected to any higher office was DeWitt Clinton (1769-1828), late in his life elected Governor of New York, and largely responsible for the Erie Canal.

Sebastian said...

"I don't understand the idea. Is she suggesting that Atlantans vote against Democrats?"

Well, when black Dems riot in a majority black-Dem city governed by a black Dem mayor, Republicans are to blame for "injustice."

She's saying they should vote against Kemp and Trump, because.

Something happens that Dems don't like, therefore all must vote against the GOP. Whatever their premise, the prog conclusion is always the same. Prog logic.

William said...

Does anyone here watch CNN? I don't, but I would be interested to know if the vandalism at their headquarters affected their coverage of those vandals. My guess is no. The vandals were perhaps a bit too fervent in their desire for racial justice, but the vandals were basically sound. This is in contrast to any police officer who overreacts to a stressful situation. That man is a pig.....I don't understand why it's so hard to criticize rioters. They're bad people.

William said...

The Jefferson Memorial was commissioned by FDR. He wanted it on the Washington Mall as a counterweight to the Lincoln Memorial which he felt unfairly honored Republicans. Back in those days Lincoln was a Republican and Jefferson was a Democrat.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

The only Ex-Vice President to be elected President was Richard Nixon. The other Vice Presidents to be elected President, such as Martin Van Buren, were currently serving as Vice President when they were elected President.

Mondale was an Ex-Vice President when he ran in 1984, but he had been on the losing ticket in 1980, so that’s different from Joe Biden’s situation, as Biden wasn’t on the ballot in 2016 and won when he was last on it in 2012. Henry Wallace was an Ex-Vice President who ran for President in 1948, but as the Progressive Party candidate, having been dropped from the Democratic Party ticket which won in 1944.

If you’re not going to count Nixon because he was a Republican, then Biden’s position is unique.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

The Police State is to the Democratic Party as the Deep State is to the Republican Party. It’s an institution that they are stuck with that doesn’t share their values.

Rory said...

"I don't consider Jefferson's party to be the Democratic Party."

Tens of thousands of Jefferson-Jackson Day dinners, all over the country for generations, weren't just a big whoops.

Rusty said...

"Here's a pro tip.
Government is incapable of changing social norms. Attempts will only worsen what ever issue is being addressed.

5/30/20, 7:10 AM"

I have to disagree. I think the black community is where it is today as a direct result of "The Great Society". The federal government set out to destroy the American family. They have largely succeeded. Only the churches in their communities have worked to stem the tide, and not all of them.

Oso Negro said...

Sensible negroes would beat the living shit out of whities who show up to appropriate their riot.

John Borell said...

It’s bizarre.

Minnesota is totally run my Democrats.

Atlanta is totally run my Democrats.

What the hell are they encouraging people to vote for or against?

Every city with riots is run by Democrats.

But yea, keep voting for that shit.

traditionalguy said...

Atlanta is a Metro area of many millions, but the Mayor of the inner city now has to be elected by 500,000 voters who are majority white neighborhood property owners and the many white gay folks in Condos. The Mayor is never a white hater demagogue .But last night we were invaded by an Army operation of Thousands of Soros owned and commanded community organizers. The War has begun and like Nanking in 1937 We now have an invading Army that has Shown zero mercy and only obeys orders from Its foreign commander.

Larvell said...

To the extent police brutality is a problem, it’s concentrated in big cities uniformly controlled by Democrats. I’m not sure how voting for a Democratic president would change that.

Another old lawyer said...

Ms. Althouse, I can't believe that you haven't moved away from a platform that requires a Google account to submit a comment.

BTW, are you concerned that your moderation of comments will make you a publisher, with the potential responsibilities and liabilities?

CStanley said...

Like Temujin, I had a mostly positive reaction to our mayor Keisha Lance Bottom’s remarks.

I noted the idea that Althouse highlights in the post, that urging people to vote doesn’t seem to make sense in a city where the people expressing a grievance are already led by those who claim to champion that cause. I think it could be seen more though as a general plea to use nonviolent means to achieve goals.

What I liked about her speech is where she channeled an angry black mom scolding her kids, as well as her reminders about Atlanta’s civil rights legacy and pro-minority business community.

chickelit said...

I don't understand the idea. Is she suggesting that Atlantans vote against Democrats?

She isn't talking about voting in Atlanta or Minneapolis; she's talking about voting in Democrats everywhere from top to bottom. Only then can peace and justice reign as in the one party state of California.

AMDG said...

Mayor Bottoms is getting recognition for her impassioned plea to the rioters last night and is getting national recognition from all the right people. She stuck a knife in what was left of Stacey Abrams.

Fernandinande said...

Derbyshire - We’re Not Allowed to be Honest About Black Crime—So We May End Up with A Crazy Black Lady President

DanTheMan said...

The riots are making me reconsider my concept of social justice.
I have now realized that when the Somali police officer Mohamed Noor murdered a white woman in Minneapolis, I should have immediately gone to the College Football Hall of Fame in Atlanta and stolen Emmitt Smith's jersey.

Only with such examples of moral clarity can we hope to find a peaceful solution.


Quaestor said...

Is she suggesting that Atlantans vote against Democrats?

I asked Emily Latella.

Her reply, "Of course they do! Atlanteans always vote against Athenians, who are democrats... What? What? That's very different... Never mind."

Michael said...

The eager Ms Abrams would be smart to keep her mouth shut about last nights mayhem in Atlanta. There are no Bullshit bromides thick and sweet enough to paint over the thuggery and animal behavior of the “protestors”.

Quaestor said...

We can all garner succor from Davey and Goliath's PSA, "Working Together" on Disasters.

Don't trust Davy or Goliath. They are both manipulated by unseen hands. Greater sustenance can be had from Gumby and Pokey.

Francisco D said...

tcrosse said... It sure looks a lot like 1968. Cities burning, Democrats in disarray. Let's hope there are no assassinations.

There is no disarray. The riots are organized theater.

Democrats hoped that Obamagate, Muellergate, Pandemicgate and other gates would take Trump down. They may become even more desperate in the next few months if the economy really rebounds. Who knows to what lengths the Leftists will go?

iowan2 said...

That might be true in some kind of legislative, fiat manner. But the state can certainly change social conditions that will impact social norms.

I was sloppy using the term social norms.

More accurate, is the fact that big govt identification, and solution of some social vagary, is always wrong. Always make things worse.

Govt fixed education, when it was wildly successful.

As usual, a pendantic attempt at disagreeing with a post, and no sight of some better offering.

Darkisland said...

Biden is running as a former vp. Gore, mondale, Humphrey all ran as sitting vps.

The only other former vp to win has been Nixon.

The only 2 sitting vps to win were Bush and Van Buren.

At least since the 12th amendment.

Other than Coolidge and perhaps tr, none of the vps who have gotten into the big chair have had successful presidencies. None have served 2 full terms.

Tr & coolidge both had executive experience. So did Van Buren in addition to his legislative.

Bush, the only other sitting vp to be elected, had a whole life of executive experience.

None of the others had.

The vice presidency should be viewed as a disqualification for the presidency. It's a legislative branch position mostly filled by legislative people. Biden, gore, ford, humphry, nixon, barkly, truman and so on back over the years.

Pence, Cheney, bush, coolidge, tr were exceptions.

John Henry

John Henry

Pachydermis2 said...

The Free and Rowdy Party reminds me a little of the UK's Monster Raving Loony Party. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Monster_Raving_Loony_Party

Although of late those who attempt satire are coming close to sounding like sensible alternatives....

I'm originally from Mpls and it pains me to see it burn. Incompetent leadership can usually limp along in good times but in a crisis it fails and fails hard. It would take a smart and tough set of leaders to finesse the central problem faced here by the Democrats....how to keep two essential constituencies - blacks and public employee unions - happy at the same time.

The Governor of Minnesota and even more so the Mayor of Minneapolis are neither smart nor tough. In the end they will make make everyone angry and poor.

T.Wolter

Darkisland said...

 Readering said...

So 3 out of first 8 veeps were elected president. Common until stopped being common.

Two reasons:

Those 3 were founding fathers

The 12th amendment

John Henry

Bilwick said...

Atlanta is basically a suburb wrapped around a ghetto (and to a lesser degree, a barrio). Tank Abrams is certainly a worthy spokesperson for it, just as I'm sure Lori ("Admiral Ackbar") Lightfoot is a worthy spokesperson for Chicago. Not a culture from what I can see that values logic (in fact, a Black Studies professor in Atlanta reported that logic was a white man's tool to keep the Bruthas down); so you could see why their constituents would find it perfectly rational to respond to alleged unjust use of force by police by looting and burning down stores, many if not most owned by Blacks. Makes perfect sense, no?

Bruce Hayden said...

“ Democrats hoped that Obamagate, Muellergate, Pandemicgate and other gates would take Trump down. They may become even more desperate in the next few months if the economy really rebounds. Who knows to what lengths the Leftists will go?”

Was it coincidence that these riots broke out just when the Russian Collusion fabrication starts reaching into St, Obama’s White House. There was absolutely nothing wrong with Flynn’s calls with the Russian Ambassador. Everyone knew that, from Obama down. Yet, they were so desperate to destroy Trump’s Presidency that they persisted for three years.

Bilwick said...

"Cities are run by Democrats. Not just the elected, but the nuts and bolts civil servants."

And how. In Atlanta you can't call a city, state or federal office without running into what I call "the Shaniqua Syndrome," in which your call will be taken by some half-educated person almost always named Shaniqua or some other ghetto name. And by "taken" I mean put on hold for a half hour and then dropped or sent to the wrong department.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Bruce Hayden said...

Maybe not the right thread, but something I notice last night. In heavily Black DC, a majority of te protesters appeared to e white. Half of those protesting an expected immigration sweep in Phoenix had Anglo, and not Hispanic, surnames, the “protester” apparently throwing the first brick in Minneapolis was not only white, but dressed like an Anti First Amendment (AntiFA) thug, complete with completely black clothes, hoodie pulled up, and a full facial gas mask, etc. the truth is coming out. These aren’t BLM race riots. They are very likely Soros funded, well organized, militant protests aimed at winning the 2020 election. With the back of the pandemic broken, probably at least for the summer, this is the next phase in the War on Trump.

8 arrested in Phoenix last night during our local "protest". 7 whites, one black. 6 of the 8 are female. It was 110 here yesterday, I think that kept the rioting down and the "protest" crowd small.

tcrosse said...

There is no disarray. The riots are organized theater.

If the riots are centrally organized, then they are not good strategy. The riots of 1968 gave us Nixon, after all.

Jupiter said...

"I actually feel ashamed. It's a weird feeling to have."

I felt ashamed when I saw pictures of whites looting. I'd like to shoot them. I ought to shoot them.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Bruce Hayden said...

These aren’t BLM race riots. They are very likely Soros funded, well organized, militant protests aimed at winning the 2020 election. With the back of the pandemic broken, probably at least for the summer, this is the next phase in the War on Trump.

Phoenix BLM and Jarrett Maupin, our local Al Sharpton-Lite, have both issued press releases distancing themselves from the "protests".

Lurker21 said...

A politician's first answer to everything is "Put my party into office." It doesn't matter if the party has controlled the city or state for generations. There are always members of the other party in office somewhere who have to be booted out for everything to be perfect.

I noticed the guy who was mayor for two days. The earlier mayor came from the police department and couldn't wait to go back and be police chief. It looks like he appointed himself or got himself appointed and resigned two days from leaving office to take up the position, so someone from the city council stepped in as mayor for two days.

The Republican who was mayor before Humphrey was said to be corrupt and in the pocket of the racketeers. He later went to prison on unrelated charges. The other Republican mayor since then was an insurance salesman and a lawyer, so he was arguably worse.

Jacob Frey is an object lesson on who not to elect as mayor, but Keisha Lance Bottoms is an awesome name. How did Stacey Abrams become the voice and face and body of the Georgia Democrats?

J. Farmer said...

@iowan2:

As usual, a pendantic attempt at disagreeing with a post, and no sight of some better offering.

You misspelled pedantic. But you are correct that I do not have a "better offering." I don't believe one that is morally and politically tenable has revealed itself. Cognitive and affective differences between the races is partially caused by genetics, and this cannot be overcome through individual moral agency.

Yancey Ward said...

I wrote it last night- the Democrats have just lost the election in a landslide. You cannot win elections by tacitly supporting rioters and looters- I don't care what the claimed justifiable cause is. The vast middle of the electorate can literally see who the rioters and looters are which politicians support. Only one political leader on the Democrat side came out of last night not looking like an agent of social chaos- the mayor of Atlanta- she is the only one. All of the other Democrats either appeared to be actively supporting and/or excusing the riots and looting, or completely and utterly feckless (looking at the mayors and governors in Minnesota).

Basically, all Trump has to do here is simply let the mayors and governors reestablish social order in their cities. Some will succeed and others will fail, and I will bet dollars to donuts that the successes will be in Red states, not the Blue ones.

Yancey Ward said...

Probably not an accidental misspelling of pedantic- it is a common internet joke to misspell it as "pendant". I do it myself all the time.

DEEBEE said...

Ann, your first and biggest mistake to burn you time on this analysis is to assume Abrams has not gravitas.

Michael K said...

These aren’t BLM race riots. They are very likely Soros funded, well organized, militant protests aimed at winning the 2020 election.

The crazy left had a little "protest" in downtown Tucson last night. I found out about it in the paper this morning. Of course it was near the U and almost all protesters were white. I saw one black kid. Downtown Tucson is deeply blue and all crime in the area occurs there. The Daily (Red) Star has an interactive crime map, which is helpful. All "crime" reports north of the river are such things as "loud music." South of the river, where the Democrats live, are things like murder.

Darkisland said...

RNB said...
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"Atlanta Mayor Shirley Franklin said Thursday that she doesn't regret her role in a controversial eleventh-hour campaign spot that raised the specter of black voters once again "fighting off dogs and water hoses" if a Republican candidate were elected to the Fulton County Board of Commissioners."

Did she point out that one of the people wielding dogs, personally, was a democrat party national committeeman, Bull Connor? Birmingham police chief.

Search bull connor + dogs for some pretty disgusting images.

And that the Democrat Party was in charge of all those dogs and firehoses for a century?

Maybe I missed that part.

John Henry

Roger Sweeny said...

The fact that Stacey Abrams may be emerging as a serious vice-presidential choice for Joe Biden made me search out a 2009 post on the "white party" and the "black party"

"... But let's be realistic. Being, in essence, the white party makes the GOP uncool. And that's only going to get worse as the impact of decades of indoctrination in the uncoolness of white people by the school system and Main Stream Media continue to pile up.

"Further, contra Karl Rove, the GOP will never be able to shake its white party image. It will either increase its share of the white vote or it will go out of business as a party capable of winning national power.

"My suggestion: the only long-term option for the Republicans, the de facto white party, is to rebrand the Democrats as the de facto black party.

"Not the Minority Party or the Cool, Hip, Multicultural Party—but the Black Party. Go with the flow of the fundamental Manichaeism of American thought: Black versus White.

"Sure, it's kind of retarded, but Americans, especially American intellectuals and pundits, aren't good at thinking in terms of shades of brown. You can't beat it, so use it.

"Hispanics and Asians certainly will never be terribly happy with the idea of being junior partners in the white party. (Indeed, lots of white people have an allergy to belonging to the white party.) Hence, the alternative must be framed that if Hispanics and Asians don't want to be junior partners in the white party, they get be junior partners in the black party.

"Black or white: choose one.

"Or they can not choose and stay home on Election Day. ...

"The subtle cunning of the tactic of rebranding the Democrats as the black party is not to criticize the Democrats for being the vehicle of African-American political activism, but to praise them for it, over and over, in the most offhand "everybody-knows" ways. ...

"Moreover, Republican rhetoric should encourage feelings of proprietariness among blacks toward their Democratic Party. It's not all that hard to get blacks to feel that they morally deserve something, such as, for example, predominance in the Democratic Party. African-Americans are good at feeling that others owe them deference.

"This kind of subtle language, casually repeated, puts Democrats in a delicate spot. Either they insult blacks by denying this presumption, or they alarm their Asian, Hispanic, and white supporters by not denying it. As everybody knows, but seldom says, black political control hasn't worked out well for places as far apart as Detroit and Zimbabwe.

"For instance, 2016 on the Democratic side will be interesting. If Obama wins re-election in 2012, blacks will argue, not unreasonably, that they've brought the Democrats political prosperity and therefore a black deserves a spot on the 2016 national ticket. ...

"Even if blacks are rebuffed by the Democrats in the 2016 nominating process, they aren't going to vote Republican in the fall. But without a black on the ballot, they won't show up to vote in quite the huge numbers seen in 2008. [Which is exactly what happened and onc reason Trump was elected.] ...

"As the black sense of rightful ascendancy in the Democratic Party becomes more pronounced, Hispanics will be demanding that their burgeoning numbers mean that it's now their turn. Meanwhile, more Asians will wonder why they are supporting an agglomeration dominated by blacks who don't share their values. And white Democrats will wonder how exactly they can prosper in a party where everybody else is allowed to speak out in internal disputes as representatives of a legitimately aggrieved racial group, but they aren't.

"The GOP faces a daunting future of their own making. Then, again, so do the Democrats. ..."

William Voegeli said...

"One answer to my question is Martin Van Buren, who was VP under Andrew Jackson and then ran for President and won in 1846. I believe he is the only one." 1836

narciso said...

going from last night, john henry huac was an attempt to make the left infiltration of the political media and education system accountable, albeit hamhandedly at times,

wbfjrr2 said...

Hey Michael K, I live in the Tucson foothills and didn’t even know we had a “protest” until I read your post. I don’t watch any tv news and would never subscribe to the local news rag.

I did stop procrastinating and cleaned my guns today and checked my supply of defensive rounds. All good.

This is beyond crazy, it’s planned to help destroy the fabric of what made America great. I believe in the end we’ll have to fight to preserve it.

I hope I’m wrong.