UPDATE: The GOP legislators took it to the state Supreme Court and won, 4-2. The election is back on for Tuesday.
Evers made his move four days after he said he had no legal authority to change the election. Republicans used the governor's own words against him as they took their case to the state Supreme Court.Justice Kelly, who’s up for reelection, recused himself.
UPDATE 2: The U.S. Supreme Court ruled today, not on the dispute described above, but on a federal judge’s extension of the deadline for mailing in absentee ballots. The Court rejected the extension.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 262 of 262I shall be at the Alden Town Hall around 9 to 10 am to vote for Kelly.
Shove it up your ass Evers.
Tinker to Evers to...Evers dropped the ball! That play never had a Chance!
Imagine a vote of only those willing to take the risk for it. Interesting experiment.
I heard that the Wisc Supreme Court overturned Evers. Does the election go on tomorrow then?
Bay Area Guy's Mitigation Plan
1. If over 70, stay home.
2. If pre-existing medical conditions, stay home.
3. If traditional flu-line symptoms (coughing, sneezing, runny nose, fever), stay home till symptoms clear.
4. If white collar/professional/paper pusher job, work from home via laptop.
5. All else, return to work. Wear gloves and mask, if practical.
Target Date: April 20. No need to wait for St. Fauci to declare "we've flattened the curve."
" The new 86,000 deaths prediction assumes the same mitigation. the only thing that has changed is that the actual case numbers were coming nowhere close to their predictions so they had to revise their original predictions downward."
But we had models!
Yea, tell them boys to put their clothes on.
Reading the instructions on the absentee ballot. What a joke. An example: "You should be far enough away from your witness that they cannot see which candidates you selected.".
There are no controls on legitimacy, but let's all pretend there are.
BAG's Mitigation Plan... Target Date: April 20.
Umm, tomorrow is April 7. Your plan would work just as well starting tomorrow. Why are we waiting till the 20th?
"I heard that the Wisc Supreme Court overturned Evers. Does the election go on tomorrow then?"
Who knows?
"Umm, tomorrow is April 7. Your plan would work just as well starting tomorrow. Why are we waiting till the 20th?"
I am compromising!
I figured out who to vote for for school board; I checked the teachers union endorsements. Still don't know who to vote for in the democrat primary.
In Nevada our percentage of positives is rising. Started out at about 6%, and is now 11% of tests. At the same time deaths have slowed spectacularly from double digits last week 1 or 2 per day, and zero for the last two days in a row.
Pepper punted petition for injunctive relief in the Lena Taylor case base don the fact the WI SC hadn't yet ruled. They've ruled now. Odds a federal judge halts an election In Progress?
Article VII Section 1 of the Wisconsin Constitution: The assembly shall have the power of impeaching all civil officers of this state for corrupt conduct in office, or for crimes and misdemeanors;
A few days ago Evers stated that it was not legal for him to change the election date. This is set by the constitution and not up to the whim of the Governor no matter how he feels or what computer models show. Today Evers make an illegal executive order violating his constitutional oath. He should be impeached and removed from office.
I'm thinking Biden. Build up his numbers.
Evers could have tried to stop this before the voting began, right? He didn't. He claimed to not have the power, then went to the legislature, was turned down, and then tried to end it at the last moment. Evers is just despicable here- it looks like he was taking his cues from someone in a higher office than he is.
Evers is not Above The Law!
Atmo: "If you actually read the IMHE (Univ. of Washington) study, they have assumed all along that states had already implemented at least 3 of 4 mitigation measures (close schools, stay-at-home orders, close non-essential businesses, and restrict travel) or would implement them within 7 days. So the 224,00 deaths prediction assumed that there would be mitigation. The new 86,000 deaths prediction assumes the same mitigation. the only thing that has changed is that the actual case numbers were coming nowhere close to their predictions so they had to revise their original predictions downward."
Mark it down for The Reckoning.
Francisco D wrote:
I think a lot of people willingly buy into the media spin because that is where the cool kids play.
When I read a conservative on politics, I begin with the assumption that what I am reading is an opinion, expressed well or poorly. Many liberals read other what other liberals write and think that they are reading THE TRUTH. I noticed this creeping into the editorial pages of newspapers during the Clinton Impeachment. You have a page of the newspaper clearly labeled "opinion," that features "opinion/editorials," and some people believe that what they are reading are not opinions.
Journalists themselves can't tell the difference between "fact" and "opinion" anymore.
If you go to the Snopes page on Biden condemning Trump's China travel ban, you see the "journalists" writing it bending over backward to put Biden's comments in the best light, and Trump's travel ban in the worst light.
They are incapable of reforming themselves, we can only hope that the traditional news media dies and is born again in some other form.
US Supreme Court overruled Judge Conley as well. Get your ballots postmarked by tomorrow.
Wisconsin is fun. I followed a link to Althouse when your crazies were whing and crying and blowing horns in peoples faces and leaving the state to avoid voting on some resolution, or something.
As a California resident, your liberals make ours look almost normal. That includes the lifetime lefty sidewalk shitters and jerky junkies.
I see that Drago got the Chinese message on how quickly the curve can be flatten and very few deaths will happen.
I see that Drago got the Chinese message on how quickly the curve can be flatten and very few deaths will happen.
Get the election over so it's not an influence on when Evers allows commerce.
Summarizing both courts in four syllables: Don’t Make Shit Up.
With that vote reschedule, he was teeing up for early June Sweltering In Place.
Crazy days, but apparently our governmental checks and balances are still in place and working.
I'd love to hear more about how the various courts are hearing and handling cases. I know the U.S. Supreme Court has cancelled their usual arguments for the month -- but clearly they're still handing down decisions.
Has there been any discussion of their process?
So, the Democrats think that the executive should be able to unilaterally cancel an election the day before it happens.
Have they really thought this precedent through?
Without mitigation the numbers would be (FAR) higher.
Keep telling yourself that. No one can refute it because we can't do both, mitigate and not mitigate.
When do we start publishing the impact of the mitigation? GE Aviation is laying of 10% of their global workforce, and furloughing another large number. They estimate that their business will not recover in any substantive way until late 2021, possible 2022.
Good thing we mitigated.
Pepper punted petition for injunctive relief in the Lena Taylor case base don the fact the WI SC hadn't yet ruled. They've ruled now. Odds a federal judge halts an election In Progress?
It's been many years since I have been a lawyer, but isn't there a deference doctrine that says Federal judges shouldn't wade into State matters until the State courts have decided the issue?
Brother's headin' that way now, I guess
He just read somethin', made his face turn blue
Well I got nothin' 'gainst the press
They wouldn't print it if it wasn't true
If you want to know 'bout the gay politician (oh yeah!)
If you want to know how to drive your car
If you want to know 'bout the new sex position
You can read it in the Sunday papers
Read it in the Sunday papers
Sunday papers, don't ask no questions
Sunday papers, don't get no lies
Sunday papers, don't raise objections
Sunday papers, ain't got no eyes
Joe Jackson Sunday Papers
"So I ask the leftists in this thread: what criteria should we aim for to start allowing people to leave their homes, go back to work, etc?"
I have been wondering about that for some time now. As best I can make out, the plan is that we all stay indoors until everyone else has gotten the disease and gotten over it. This is referred to as "herd immunity". It isn't (quite) as stupid as it sounds, after all, the "essentials" (not to be confused with the "deplorables", although there is likely a lot of overlap) are expected to just suck it up and carry on. I guess they are the herd.
Only Democrats think that stopping an election will disenfranchise voters and undermine democracy.
On the other hand, a Democrat governor unilaterally halting an election the day before, even after admitting he lacks authority to do so, is all swell and good. He'd prefer to hold an election another day when the Democrats will do better. No shit! They can blame the China virus all they want, but that's just an excuse. We don't believe them. They don't care about democracy or voters or people - only power.
The "Never-Let-A-Crisis-Go-To-Waste" Party will just have to miss out this time around.
Steve: "When do we start publishing the impact of the mitigation? GE Aviation is laying of 10% of their global workforce, and furloughing another large number. They estimate that their business will not recover in any substantive way until late 2021, possible 2022. Good thing we mitigated."
WSJ: a fourth of U.S. economy idle. Let The Reckoning begin now.
'Eight hours? Doesn't seem physically possible considering what this virus does to the lungs of those who become "very, very ill."'
I think the idea is, when he notices that the patient is very, very ill, instead of sticking a tube in the patient's lungs and pumping him like an accordion for a week or two while the virus destroys his lung tissues, the doctor gives him a couple pills and he gets over it in "eight to twelve hours".
Anyway, I'm guessing his clinics have a lot of appointments scheduled in the near future.
Inga said: WITH MITIGATION. Without mitigation the numbers would be far higher.
We mitigate the hell out of the seasonal flu and yet we still get millions more infections and 10's of thousands more deaths than Covid-19. And if there are indeed millions out there infected but not showing symptoms and the death rate is still as low as it is now, then this virus isn't as dangerous as some say it is.
The Wisconsin Supreme Court saved the day. Wisconsin's constitution provides for the impeachment of the governor, I think? The Assembly should do that.
See, the theory here, is that the cells in question, the ones being infected by the coronavirus, have "zinc channels", which allow zinc into the cell interior. But they don't allow a whole lot of it in. The HCQ opens up those zinc channels, and the zinc ions enter the cell, where they somehow prevent the virus from reproducing. Once the virus can't reproduce, it doesn't take long at all for your immune system to deal with the remaining infection. That's why HCQ alone doesn't help much, you need the extra zinc as well.
So, if he's right, this whole thing will be over as soon as most doctors are aware of it, and we can all go back to work. Of course, if he's wrong, we'll have wasted some pills, millions of 'em. We don't want that. We've got a good thing going here, let's not spoil it with a promising treatment.
Jake said...
Pepper punted petition for injunctive relief in the Lena Taylor case base don the fact the WI SC hadn't yet ruled. They've ruled now. Odds a federal judge halts an election In Progress?
Odds are essentially 0. Kavanaugh is the SC Justice responsible for WI. He can chose to pass things on to the full Court, but he doesn't have to.
If a Federal Judge tries to muck with things tomorrow, the appeal to Kavanaugh followed by his Stay of the order will take about 5 minutes, max
Amy Howe at Scotusblog has the sads, but she also as links to the WI SC and US SC rulings
https://www.scotusblog.com/2020/04/justices-block-extension-of-absentee-ballot-deadline-in-wisconsin/#more-292907
I am so fucking tired of partisans messing with election rules.
I would bet it took both of his hands for the pen and the phone.
He didn't have Roberts in position.
There should be some important indicators that a person has Trump Derangement Syndrome.
For example, one would be that Trump can never do the right thing. Every action must be assumed to be done in bad faith.
So, if Trump uses the term "Chinese flu" to refer to covid-19, he is doing so because he is a racist bigot, not because he wants to make certain that people remember that the pandemic was the direct result of actions taken by the CCP. Then, if he stops using the term "Chinese flu" to refer to covid-19 after speaking to Xi, it must be because he is a coward who hides his bigotry when speaking to an actual Chinese leader.
Real human beings don't behave that way. Well, maybe psychopaths. The people with TDS do not hate the real Donald J. Trump, they hate a caricature that they have constructed in their minds.
I am old enough, barely, to remember Dinkytown in Minneapolis in 1974. There were UM students there, some of them grad students, who had a hatred of Nixon so deep that it made them look like madmen, and they weren't in the minority. I remember one grad student telling me with teeth-grinding contempt, how Nixon had access to the national archives, and that he had used that access to get hold of Hitler's uniform, and would put it on at night & strut & preen in front of a mirror. Really. That is how insane the people with TDS are.
Re "mitigation". Let's remember that the theory is, and has been all along, that mitigation -- social distancing, shelter in place, closing "non-essential" businesses, etc. -- isn't intended to reduce the total number of Chinese virus cases; it's only supposed to spread that total number out over a longer period of time, so they won't overwhelm medical resources. That is supposed to reduce total deaths from the virus, because every patient will be able to get treatment, but it won't reduce total cases.
So it follows, as the night the day, that we should begin to lift the mitigation efforts in each jurisdiction as soon as the number of cases is low enough that we can be confident that medical resources won't be overwhelmed. I don't know the situation in Wisconsin, but in the county where I live, we have had a dozen Chinese virus cases and two deaths (both today) out of a population of about 100,000. We have excellent medical facilities, with plenty of available beds. In our State (NC) we've had fewer than 3,000 cases, and a little over 30 deaths. Unless something changes a lot in the next 3 weeks, we should be allowed to start moving back to normal come May 1, don't you think? Wisconsin right now appears to have fewer cases but more deaths than NC. Even if you can't get back to normal quite as soon as the Old North State, perhaps you could begin to move in that direction.
“We mitigate the hell out of the seasonal flu and yet we still get millions more infections and 10's of thousands more deaths than Covid-19.”
How so? We didn’t mitigate the seasonal at all. No one really does any serious social distancing. Everyone goes out withOUT masks. You don’t know what Covid would’ve done had we treated it like the seasonal flu.
And the flu vaccine doesn’t necessarily cover the flu that is going around that season and many people don’t get the flu shot.
You don’t know what Covid would’ve done had we treated it like the seasonal flu.
And neither does anyone else. It's all speculation and models. The fact that we're not seeing the predicted numbers tells me that this isn't as dangerous to the general public as the seasonal flu.
“ The fact that we're not seeing the predicted numbers tells me that this isn't as dangerous to the general public as the seasonal flu.”
It tells me you can’t read a calendar. Deaths are tracking predictions well, and we haven’t hit the predicted peaks yet. Peaks plural because they vary from place to place. We don’t know yet how bad it will be. But it’s pretty bad in New Orleans and New York already.
"So it follows, as the night the day, that we should begin to lift the mitigation efforts in each jurisdiction as soon as the number of cases is low enough that we can be confident that medical resources won't be overwhelmed."
That point would likely be reached some time in 2021 or 2022, if you believe the "models". The hope has always been that a means would be found, either vaccine or treatment, to prevent the curve from developing. Flattening is a holding action, while we wait for that means to turn up. Therefore, when a possible treatment is discovered, it behooves the hot living Hell out of us to try it on as many people as possible. If it works, we're done. We're out of here. We can all go back to living our lives, knowing that if we get a serious case, a treatment exists that will deal with it.
Boy oh boy. I bet people are missing Scott Walker about now. Can anyone imagine in a millions years he would have ever made this power grab?
It is time for the WI Supreme Court and US Supreme Court to resume in person arguments, given their rulings on safety of gathering.
Nothing to worry about, right?
Kyzer SoSay, the teeth-staining you experienced as child? After multiple tetracycline treatments for high fevers as an infant, my teeth had full-on hypoplasia. Many of my permanent teeth had no enamel at all. They came in small, brown, and very weird looking. The $$$ sunk into my teeth has been ridiculous. I'm on my second set of crowns for my front teeth, and they've been hanging on now for about 30 years even though I was only promised 20. To say having acceptable-looking teeth was life changing is not an exaggeration. The good news is my teeth may not be the prettiest, but they're all still mine and I, too, have had very few cavities. New dentists always spend like an hour trying to figure out what-all happened in there.
I'm nearly 57 and have never come across another person with the same condition, IRL or online ... and I've been online a very long time. I wonder how many of us are out there?
The way I heard it, if it hadn't been for the tetracycline, I'd've died. My fevers were so high they used to put me ice water baths. I'm trying to imagine a doctor telling me they're going to put my baby girl into an ice bath and can't imagine the horror. And this happened multiple times! Anyway, I'm still here, ugly teeth and all, so I'm grateful tetracycline was around.
I voted but I didn’t inhale.
Mark said...
It is time for the WI Supreme Court and US Supreme Court to resume in person arguments, given their rulings on safety of gathering.
Nothing to worry about, right?
Hi Mark, are you stupid, or just dishonest?
The US Supreme Court ruled, consistent with pretty much all US Supreme Court precedent, that Federal Judges aren't allowed to muck with election rules a week before the election.
"Allowing people to continue to vote for up to a week after the "election day" is pretty much the platonic ideal of "mucking with the election rules".
Therefore, the US Supreme Court quite properly stuck down the rogue "Judge"'s ruling.
The WI Sc ruled that Tony Evers was right when he said on April 1 that he didn't have the power to unilaterally change the election date.
Neither body ruled that Wisconsin SHOULD have an election today. Both bodies, however, quite properly recognized that individual rogue actors don't have the power to screw with election rules in the week before the election.
Both bodies ruled, quite appropriately, that all out assaults on democracy by rogue nuts, be they a Governor or a "Judge", need to be struck down.
Evers issued his "Stay at home" order, and order shutting down "non-essential services", on March 25. He shut down schools on March 18.
If he was, and you Democrats were, acting in good faith about the election, then any "we need to change the election" proposals needed to happen back then.
But they didn't. You all only became "really concerned" about "social distancing + elections" when the absentee ballot return numbers started coming in, and the Republicans were significantly ahead.
So stop pretending there's even a shred of good faith on your side in this. This was about your side making an illegitimate power grab, and getting correctly rejected.
Nothing more.
UPDATE 2: The U.S. Supreme Court ruled today, not on the dispute described above, but on a federal judge’s extension of the deadline for mailing in absentee ballots. The Court rejected the extension.
Wow, that's a rather bloodless way to describe it.
how about "The Court rejected the Federal Judge's decision to completely and novelly rewrite election law so that people could vote after "election day", imposing a policy never before seen in the US.
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