March 8, 2020

Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers vetoed a bill and, when asked about it, couldn't explain why and admitted "You caught me."

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports:
Evers signed more than 60 bills on Tuesday and vetoed two related to games, including one that would have allowed any business with a Class B gambling license to hold raffles using a paddle wheel.

Evers told lawmakers in a veto message Tuesday that the bill could threaten revenue the state receives from casinos owned by the state's tribal nations in exchange for exclusive gaming rights. When a reporter asked him Thursday why he vetoed the legislation, Evers said he would follow up with an answer.

"Could you take us through your thought process on that?" Michael Leischner, a reporter for talk radio station WSAU, asked at a news conference in Wausau following a bill signing ceremony. "We'll get you the information on that," Evers responded. "I signed over 100 bills two days ago and vetoed a handful of other ones — but you caught me."
Why did he have the answer on Tuesday but not on Thursday? I can think of a few reasons: 1. The Tuesday message was a written statement, and on Thursday, he was tasked to find the answer in his own head, 2. The Tuesday message did not represent his "thought process," which is what the reporter on Thursday asked him about, and he didn't remember or didn't want to talk about his actual "thought process," 3. Evers is not truly in charge, not making his own decisions, because why would you say "We'll get you the information on that" — we — when asked about your own thought processes?

We're told that "Evers' staff" have complained about the way the legislature presents him with too many bills at once — Evers is a Democrat and the GOP holds the majority in both houses of the legislature. I guess that makes it harder to veto anything, but Evers vetoed 2 things, and you'd think he'd be able to explain why.

What is a paddle wheel raffle anyway? Surprisingly, it has to do with meat — meat and charities:
In Wisconsin there is a long-standing tradition of using meat raffles to raise money for charity.... “It’s kind of a very Wisconsin sort of a thing,” said state Sen. Andre Jacque (R – De Pere)....

Jacque says paddlewheel raffles, which are often used for meat raffle events, are illegal even under a Class B raffle license which many non-profits use. He says recently the Department of Justice has started enforcing the rule, sending letters to various charities warning they could be prosecuted for up to a Class I felony of fostering illegal gambling -- punishable by up to a $10,000 fine.

“When people find out they’re stunned,” said Jacque. “And I think especially stunned the Department of Justice doesn’t have higher priorities right now than to crack down on our charitable groups that hold meat raffles. So this is something where, you know, Wisconsin is unfortunately discouraging something that we actually advertise through our tourism sites, our community calendars and everything else... So [the veto is] disappointing.”
Jacque criticized Evers for claiming — in his veto message — that the bill "could threaten the exclusive rights of Tribal Nations to conduct Class III gaming in Wisconsin." Jacque said,  "In talking to tribal representatives, tribal leaders, there was no opposition because this doesn’t compete with casino gambling."

So you can see why the reporter wanted to push for Evers to explain his "thought process." Did Evers not understand what he was doing? Maybe he had no "thought process" at all or his thought process would show that he didn't understand the Wisconsin meat raffle tradition.

Anyway, I remember writing about the Wisconsin meat raffle. It was back in 2017, and I only noticed it because I saw a sign in a tavern window.

Isn't it odd that businesses were openly doing something that was a felony under state law? It's easy to imagine their thought process: Because it was done openly and traditionally around the state, people thought that whatever the law was on the books, it wasn't real. Then the state justice department began enforcing, and that motivated the legislature to change the law. But Evers vetoed the bill, perhaps not understanding that it would just preserve the tradition that had gone on even though it was — on the books — a crime.

ADDED: Writing this post, I was thinking of Tony Evers as elderly and perhaps in the kind of mental decline that we're worrying about with Joe Biden. But he's only 68. He was born in 1951, and so was I. I have a difficult time thinking of 68 as a time of mental deficiency. But maybe I have a difficult time because I really am in decline. It's like deciding to go ahead and drive when you've had a few drinks — by the way, that too is a Wisconsin tradition — you're judging whether you're impaired while you're — if you are — impaired.

83 comments:

gilbar said...

Did Evers not understand what he was doing? Maybe he had no "thought process" at all or his thought process would show that he didn't understand

No Offense Wisc people; but your Governor sure seems to be a product of your education system

gilbar said...

a bill to include paddlewheel raffles under Class B raffle licenses. It received unanimous support, but Gov. Evers vetoed it.

HOPEFULLY, your legislature will overturn the veto

Roger Sweeny said...

3. Evers is not truly in charge, not making his own decision

There are so many decisions that a governor must make every day that the executive will mostly just rubber stamp the recommendations of his subordinates. Of course, this means that the supposed subordinates are actually making most of the decisions. The British played it for painful laughs in "Yes, Minister" and "Yes, Prime Minister".

iowan2 said...

This is a great example of local control. The state legislature can pass their laws, but to get enforced, local cooperation is a big part of compliance. I, one little town I lived, their was an annual casino night. poker, black jack, craps. While gambling is prohibited outside of casinos, the locals were fine, the sheriff (elected office) was given a heads up, and he would let the County Attorney (elected office) know. This was the highest stake night I had ever encountered. The American legion halls, and Amvets clubs used to be the social center of small town life, and their "feather parties" were public knowledge. The locals kept the games fair, and self policed, showing disrupters to the door, but that was a rarity. Everyone knew that to draw attention to the festivities, was going threaten approval from the local Sheriff Andy Taylor.

See also State Marijuana laws that fly in the face of Federal Statute.

Kevin said...

We're told that "Evers' staff" have complained about the way the legislature presents him with too many bills at once

Social justice is more about who gets to ignore existing laws than writing new ones.

It’s much easier to trample on civil rights if the Supreme Court can’t insert itself into the process.

Shouting Thomas said...

I'm 70. Constantly monitoring myself for signs of mental decline.

My dad was already deep in Alzheimer's at my age.

All the equipment seems to be working. But, who am I to judge?

My son-in-law wants me to get back into web development, because he and his friends can't find anybody dependable to put up and manage their websites. He and his friends are all blue collar guys with side maintenance businesses.

Don't know if I still have the mental strength and capacity for the work.

Amadeus 48 said...

ST—you are no different from the rest of us.

Better than nothing is a high standard, as Althouse says.

Amadeus 48 said...

I haven’t lost a step, but a few names are lost, stolen, or strayed.

traditionalguy said...

What, no sympathy for the old folks? They deserve understanding in this slower mental time of a well lived life. Wisconsin is a mean place. And who raffles off meat anyhow. That is so disrespectful of the animals...as if they are not worthy of care too. And all that drinking and driving drunk kills the innocent

How’s that for negative spin. Maybe Bloomberg will hire me.

Annie C. said...

It doesn't sound as though Evers is in Biden-dementia territory yet.

Do people with dementia know they have it? Do they know for a certain period and then go so deeply that they no longer know?

How many laws are on the books that are ignored? It's the subject of at least two books I know of.

tim maguire said...

I can’t believe the law is so precise that you need a special license to use a paddlewheel for your charity raffle.

Big Mike said...

Hey, Annie C. How’s the eye coming?

Howard said...

You should do the web development gig Thomas. My theory is the noodle is just like the rest of the body use it or lose it. Think of it as yoga for the brain

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Danno said...
Lots of Sconnies down here in the FL Panhandle for the winter. You should see the parking lot at church on Sundays. So many "cheese plates" you'd think you're in Wisconsin.

traditionalguy said...

Spin is getting sillier over at CNN. They now pin the entire Pandemic Crisis and deaths on Trump’s bad leadership because he changed his White House Chief of Staff. That wins the Spin of the Day prize.

Ralph L said...

Who decided to start enforcing the law--Evers?

I'm trying to remember which national politico it was who was scandalously bought by Indian casino lobbyists a dozen years ago or so.

David Begley said...

Ann: You are not in mental decline. Hell, you’re better than the whole New York Times!

AllenS said...

At 73 years old, I don't think I've lost a step, except for not remembering what I did yesterday, and that other thing.

Fernandistein said...
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Fernandistein said...

revenue the state receives from casinos owned by the state's tribal nations[sic] in exchange for exclusive gaming rights.

Where can I read about the convoluted word games They played in order to pretend that it's Constitutional to restrict business opportunities on the basis of race?

Chuck said...

“...
ADDED: Writing this post, I was thinking of Tony Evers as elderly and perhaps in the kind of mental decline that we're worrying about with Joe Biden.
...”


Oh for fuck’s sake! Jon Karl If ABC News is coming out with a book that reports Mick Mulvaney’s thinking that perhaps Trump’s mental illness was a good thing; that Mulvaney suggested a book on mental illness and leadership to WH staff, and Don Junior wondered aloud about his father having some form of dementia with his vocabulary getting smaller and smaller...

... And you’re thinking about a mental decline with Biden?

Actually no it’s a worse presumption on your part, Althouse. You presume that “we” are worried about Biden’s mental decline. That is one of the most interesting, and quite possibly the Trumpiest “we” ever deployed at the Althouse blog.

You can pre-order Jon Karl’s new book at Amazon and help support the. Althouse blog by going through the Althouse portal to get here:

https://www.amazon.com/Front-Row-at-Trump-Show-ebook/dp/B07X7SF9N9

tim maguire said...

Chuck, the difference between Trump’s decline and Biden’s decline is that there is evidence for Biden’s decline.

Temujin said...

Meat raffles. It's so Wisconsin.

I don't think Evers veto is a sign of anything other than his staff telling him what to sign and what not to sign. Sounds like a very dynamic Governor there.

On the other hand, I'm in my 60s so I could be thinking I was writing about something I just read here, but ended up commenting about something else. Who am us anyway?

rehajm said...

Oops...

Chuck said...

Tim:
Are Biden’s adult diapers leaking?

https://www.politicalflare.com/2020/03/internet-speculates-after-trumps-appears-to-have-wet-pants-at-tennessee-disaster-meeting/

Annie C. said...

Thanks for asking Mike. Still seeing blues and yellow. Saw the retina guy on Friday and he was very encouraged. I may get reds and full color back. If so, I could get a lens implant in about a year.

Nerve damage is slow going, but the actual cones and rods seem to be healing.

exhelodrvr1 said...

Chuck,
Have you always seen things that weren't there? If so, then you have always been delusional. If it is just more recent, then you are in mental decline and delusional.

AllenS said...

Good luck to you, Annie C.

Kevin said...

Jon Karl If ABC News is coming out with a book

On Trump’s diminished mental capacity?

Based on “reported insider statements”?

Right about the time Biden becomes the Democrats presumptive nominee?

Who could have predicted this?

Harsh Pencil said...

There may be a good reason to 1) allow meat raffles, and 2) keep them illegal. If you make them legal, then everyone can do them. If they remain illegal but tolerated, then local officials can use their discretion regarding who gets to run them -- churches and other charities ok, local numbers-running guys, not ok.

This, like all times when we allow officials to use discretion, requires good and honest officials, which is not something to take as given.

Heartless Aztec said...

It's not deficiencies per se at my age of 67 - it's more a loss of the elasticity of my brainscape. I no longer have that elasticity to learn long passages of Bach for the guitar at a single sitting. Or the patience to recreate the marine architecture of the USS Constitution 1812 for a museum grade illustration. Now in my declining years I'm reminded of my hippie days but this time it's caging Adderall from the youngsters for that four hour sit down with Herr Bach. My girlfriend is always telling me "Life's a bitch and then you die." Everyone faces the Wall in their own time.

narciso said...

good luck to you, annie c.

narciso said...

biden never had all his oars in the same place, but he was the piano player in the (redacted)

Curious George said...

"3. Evers is not truly in charge, not making his own decision"

KOCH BROTHERS!!!! Oh wait, that was the last guy. ;-)

Curious George said...

I was going to jokingly post how Chuck would turn a post about Wisconsin Guv Evers into another lame Trump bashing post and then I saw his comments.

What a sad and pathetic little eunuch you are 'meats.

stlcdr said...

“It’s a crime because the law says so”.

If there is ever a reason to strike something, it’s when you can’t obviously explain why it exists.

narciso said...

Robert mueller seems to have been a similar front man, a year before he accepted the special counsel slot, he accepted a 50k honoraria, from a Citicorp subsidiary, that was fined 100 million for money laundering, probably they had done 10 billion in washing,

Bob Boyd said...

His idealistic staff probably thought it was a step in the wrong direction to legalize something that results in people eating more meat.
If the bill had been about plant matter raffles, they'd have put it in the "sign" column on the sign/don't sign list they give to the governor.

narciso said...

some people think lopez obrador, is showing the same sense of degradation of awareness, re the manifold crisises he has confronted,

narciso said...

maybe here's another example

Drago said...

exhelodrvr1: "Chuck,
Have you always seen things that weren't there? If so, then you have always been delusional. If it is just more recent, then you are in mental decline and delusional."

Just a couple of weeks ago LLR-lefty Chuck flatly asserted DJT was not eating in public because there was a choking hazard due to mental incapacity!

LOLOLOL

That was just before the India trip with all the State Dinners and now working dinners with Bolsonaro and his staff!

LLR-lefty Chuck's "performance" over the last several weeks at Althouse where he denies Biden has any mental degradation while simultaneously launching hilariously transparent lies about Trump should remove all doubt as to what Chuck's true purpose here happens to be.

Tina Trent said...

So Elizabeth Warren can hold a meat raffle in Wisconsin but the VFW can't.

gspencer said...

This must be the first time a pol admitted he/she did something because others, behind the scene, told him to do it.

Automatic_Wing said...

If the bill passed the legislature unanimously, I would assume that Evers simply signed in the wrong block.

Browndog said...

This is how the sausage is made, as they say. Bills are signed into law, and championed by those that sign them, but have no idea what's in them, nor do they care.

The point of the new law is to give themselves some sort of political advantage. It's simply a matter of what constituency can deliver that advantage.

Take Joe Biden for example. He came out in favor of AB5, thinking that supporting the California law will give him a political advantage.

Read the comments by democrats on Joe's tweet supporting AB5

gilbar said...

He was born in 1951, and so was I. I have a difficult time thinking of 68 as a time of mental deficiency. But maybe I have a difficult time because I really am in decline.

From watching my grandparents, and now my parents;
it seems that, THE FIRST THING TO GO, is the realization that you are going
My mom still thinks that she is mentally acute; HELL! i still think i'm Mentally acute

gilbar said...

Annie C. said...
Nerve damage is slow going

Yes it IS! please don't let us (or anybody else, including You) try to rush you
we're just curious and hopeful. The GOOD NEWS IS! you're still alive! everything else is icing on the cake

Ann Althouse said...

"Better than nothing is a high standard, as Althouse says."

Better than nothing is a high standard as I use it means that it's better to have nothing than a whole hell of a lot of other things that people will falsely call "better than nothing."

To remind you of the origin of my adage. I was about 9 years old, playing with Barbie dolls with 2 friends — my best friend, who, along with me, studied the brochure of Barbie outfits, and counted her allowance money and planned the purchase of the next packaged set of Barbie clothes. It cost about 3 to 5 dollars for a Barbie outfit, and my allowance at the time was 45¢ a week. The other girl had clothes for her Barbie that her mother made out of scraps of fabric. These were not the carefully designed Barbie outfits but just doll clothes that roughly fit the Barbie. I can't remember what my friend and I said to this girl about the doll but I remember vividly that the girl asserted that these clothes were "better than nothing."

When the girl had left, my friend repeated the phrase in a mocking voice "Better than nothing" — and added "They're not better than nothing." I found that hilarious at the time. Hilarious AND true. Don't just put crap clothes on your Barbie. Save and work and plan and some day you'll get the good and appropriate Barbie outfits. Only these outfits are, in fact, better than nothing. Until you get those, it is better to have NO clothes for your Barbie.

Now, if you understand the concept, I don't think it's what you want to say about an old person with declining abilities. It's saying that death is better than diminished capacity.

MikeR said...

A meat raffle is a class I felony? I don't know what a meat raffle is, but it better include selling children as slaves.

Inga said...

Maybe he was having a Trump moment? He forgot why he vetoing the law, but didn't Trump walk out of a room forgetting to sign a law, with Pence rushing after him with the unsigned law in hand with a pen? Or maybe he was just on a roll of vetos (like Trump did) and in the moment of joy forgot?

Fernandistein said...

Better than nothing is a high standard as I use it means that it's better to have nothing than a whole hell of a lot of other things that people will falsely call "better than nothing."

It's nothing more than saying that, in your opinion, your opinions are better than their opinions. And there is no "falsely" here, other than your opinion.

So what else is new?

gilbar said...

Igna makes a Great Point (which, is STILL great, even though Our Poor Chuck has made it before)

Trump's done things FAR WORSE; IF YOU INCLUDE THE THINGS WE JUST MADE UP

Inga said...

“I don't think Evers veto is a sign of anything other than his staff telling him what to sign and what not to sign. Sounds like a very dynamic Governor there.”

He was never dynamic, but the majority of people of Wisconsin didn’t want Walker anymore.

Inga said...

Trump must be reminded to come sign the bill.

And this wasn't the first time he did this.

Trump walks out of room, forgetting to sign the EO.

JML said...

Chuck, maybe Trump sat on a pecan pie Sara Huckabee left on AF One for him, and they tried to get the stain out because this was the only pair of pants he had. He travels light because he doesn't want to have to wait for his luggage at the carousel.

John Cunningham said...

Commie scum like Evers hate the fact that the opeons might do something outside Party controlb like raising money for charities. All money must come from the Party.

Josephbleau said...

The comment about the girls and the Barbie clothes almost makes me cry. I imagine a poor girl that does not get an allowance and her mother tries to make up for it, perhaps poorly, and two meanish girls put her down. But I also almost cry when I hear Dolly Parton sing coat of many colors also. I must be getting soft.

Browndog said...

Here she goes again...

Enjoy.

Birkel said...

Drinking and driving was a tradition nearly everywhere.

mccullough said...

Evers hates Meat. He’s in the pocket of Big Vegan

Jupiter said...

Hmmmm.... You're not one year older than me, you're three. Have you been aging faster than me? Altered your birth year? Maybe I need to start keeping a dossier on you.

Nichevo said...

When the girl had left, my friend repeated the phrase in a mocking voice "Better than nothing" — and added "They're not better than nothing." I found that hilarious at the time. Hilarious AND true. Don't just put crap clothes on your Barbie. Save and work and plan and some day you'll get the good and appropriate Barbie outfits. Only these outfits are, in fact, better than nothing. Until you get those, it is better to have NO clothes for your Barbie.



"Your friend" has grown up, I hope, but it seems you haven't if you are still pimping this as wisdom. What garbage people you are, as Achilles says.

Nichevo said...

Josephbleau said...
The comment about the girls and the Barbie clothes almost makes me cry. I imagine a poor girl that does not get an allowance and her mother tries to make up for it, perhaps poorly, and two meanish girls put her down. But I also almost cry when I hear Dolly Parton sing coat of many colors also. I must be getting soft.


Indeed yes!

AA, kindly never pretend or allude to any kind of hardscrabble or underprivileged upbringing again, unless you feel you were deprived of a moral education, which would be insightful of you and therefore unlikely.

Christy said...

Yes, Althouse, you are losing it. You have lost the filter that tells you when you are being mean, even sharing a story of your youthful meanness. I've seen the highly intelligent cover for their memory loss, but that unusual meanness is a tipoff. Momma covered so well she had her Doctor fooled. We, her sisters and kids, had to do an intervention with him in order to get her on some dementia meds.

Merny11 said...

Hey I was at a meat raffle yesterday. Great fun, harmless, raised money for ALS. It’s Wisconsin. It’s winter. Leave our limited ways to entertain ourselves alone Evers!

Ann Althouse said...

"The comment about the girls and the Barbie clothes almost makes me cry. I imagine a poor girl that does not get an allowance and her mother tries to make up for it, perhaps poorly, and two meanish girls put her down."

Oh, lighten up. I had a 45¢ allowance, I told you. It would take me 10 weeks to save for one Barbie outfit, and I was trying to do that. The other girl wasn't any poorer than we were. We lived in a suburban development where all the houses were in the same price range. Nobody's mother was making up for sad poverty. We were all exactly the same place economically, and in my family, we girls made our own doll clothes if we wanted home-made doll clothes. But that wasn't the idea of Barbie. Barbie was a fashion doll. You needed to buy fashionable clothes for her, not just anything. It was a question of taste and of understanding the activity. Making clothes for Barbie would be like trying to play house with the houses in Monopoly or using badminton rackets to strain spaghetti.

Ann Althouse said...

"AA, kindly never pretend or allude to any kind of hardscrabble or underprivileged upbringing again..."

Where are you from that you don't understand the difference between a middle-class suburban environment, circa 1960, and some kind of rural poverty? Are you even from the United States? You sound quite unaware of the living conditions in this country.

Ann Althouse said...

Why do you hate naked Barbie?

Nichevo said...

Ann, I'm not going to mine the archives to refute you. Stop doubling down. You and your friend were both a nasty piece of work. I hope she's changed. You haven't. I can't think of anything cleverer than making your own clothes for your own Barbie.

GingerBeer said...

Vetoing meat raffles in Wisconsin? What will Evers go after next, ranch dressing? It's like the guy isn't really from WI.

Ann Althouse said...

By the way, if you'd like to look at the suburban neighborhood where we had that Barbie doll conversation, it was here, in Holiday Hills. Do the street view on that Google map and look around. I won't tell you the house number, because I don't want to intrude on whoever lives there now, but look around the neighborhood and see what was a new development when we moved there circa 1960.

Another thing about homemade doll clothes that you might not understand. We girls knew how to sew and had access to fabric scrapes and needles and thread. I'd made a lot of doll clothes (with my sister). But to have your mother make the clothes.... that didn't seem right. We were involved in Barbie. We were older girls figuring things out. Doll clothes made by somebody's mother were outside of the scope of the activity.

Ann Althouse said...

"fabric scrapes" = fabric scraps.

exhelodrvr1 said...

"Why do you hate naked Barbie?"

GI Joe certainly didn't!!

Jim at said...

In a post about the Wisconsin governor - and the Wisconsin governor only - we get this from Drooling Ingacile:

Maybe he was having a Trump moment?

Nope. No such thing as Trump Derangement Syndrome. It's all a hoax.

Oso Negro said...

"When the girl had left, my friend repeated the phrase in a mocking voice "Better than nothing" — and added "They're not better than nothing." I found that hilarious at the time. Hilarious AND true. Don't just put crap clothes on your Barbie. Save and work and plan and some day you'll get the good and appropriate Barbie outfits. Only these outfits are, in fact, better than nothing. Until you get those, it is better to have NO clothes for your Barbie."

My family lived in a nice suburban home in Calgary in the 1960s, but it stretched what the folks could afford. We wore gumboots in the winter with bread bags over our socks to keep them dry, because the boots leaked. I relate more to the mocked friend in this story. I think this is the meanest thing I ever heard Althouse say.

Nichevo said...


To remind you of the origin of my adage. I was about 9 years old, playing with Barbie dolls with 2 friends — my best friend


Scarcely sounds like "2 friends." More like one Mean Girl Friend and one Poor Girl "Friend"/Mean Girl Target Dummy.

I see...so the second line of defense is that the homemade doll clothes, which were apparently ill made or ill tailored to the specific doll (a Barbie type doll) in question, were objectionable because, or also because, the girl herself had not made the clothes, but they existed through (the extent, and limits of) her mother's love, care, resources and skill?

Yes, I see how you and Mean Girl One would find that contemptible. Much better to spend 7-10 weeks' allowance on some scraps of fabric stitched in Japanese/Taiwanese/Bangladeshi? sweatshops. Much wiser.

I'm not asking you write off your conceit of "better than nothing is a high standard," I'm asking if you have the ability to look back at the young Althouse and say, "boy, I was (we were) an unempathetic little s*** back then," with or without the "I'm so much better than that now."

Caligula said...

"the bill "could threaten the exclusive rights of Tribal Nations to conduct Class III gaming in Wisconsin."

I don't really much care who can offer what type of gambling, I just wish they'd put the damn "BL" back in "gambling." Why not call it what it is?

As for Gov. Evers, I'd assume he often does what his advisers tell him to do, but apparently he's at at least on-the-ball enough to know that answering "[name] told me to sign this" might create political problems.

jimbino said...

Specious argument. You can judge the likelihood of your impairment by considering factors that aren't influenced by your impairment, like whether you're male or female, a lightweight or fat, your age and how many drinks you had how long ago, as well as whether or not you've had anything to eat. I know women who suffer impairment after one glass of wine, which explains a whole lot of the breeding going on.

Ken B said...

I don’t think you are in decline. At least, not recently. Cruel Neutrality dates from 2008 doesn’t it?

Rusty said...

I was born in 1951 as well, Althouse.

What were we talking about?

Annie C. That'encouraging news. I'm still pullin' for ya.

rcocean said...

We lived in a Suburban community in the 1960s and 1970s. My mother would feed us potato soup and then wash the clothes in it. We couldn't afford detergent. Later, when we got richer, we could eat hamburger helper, without the hamburger.

Anyway, if the point of barbie was fashionable clothes, what was the point of Ken? Other than to get beat up by GI Joe.

Mr. T. said...

Teachers watching porn in schools and molesting their students are both illegal, but that never stopped the unions nor Evers from looking the other way or fighting tooth and nail for them to do it. You can bet he wouldn't veto legislation legalizing either.