Mr. Mulvaney also criticized the news media for generally not wanting to portray Mr. Trump in a positive light. But he chose a bizarre example, claiming it refuses to cover what he described as Mr. Trump’s loving relationship with his 13-year-old son, Barron.... “[T]he press would never show you that because it doesn’t fit that image of him, the press wants him to be this terrible monster.”
Mr. Mulvaney’s decision to discuss Barron Trump was curious, especially when Melania Trump, the first lady, and senior White House officials have gone to great lengths to make sure he enjoys the privacy afforded to other children of presidents growing up in the uncomfortable spotlight of the White House....
Mr. Mulvaney... also asserted that Mr. Trump did not sleep on the overnight plane trip home from India or during the day before his news conference on coronavirus Wednesday night....
February 28, 2020
"Mick Mulvaney... blamed the media for exaggerating the seriousness of coronavirus because 'they think this will bring down the president, that’s what this is all about.'"
The NYT reports on remarks by the acting White House chief of staff at the Conservative Political Action Conference today.
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What a stupid comment.
Chuck said...
"As for the 'birther' nonsense, it was literally Hillary and Bill who launched that one."
What horse shit! What screaming, mind-boggling bullshit!
It actually is not bullshit.
Hillary Clinton with the advice of here husband was the first presidential candidate to question Obama's birth status.
They ran adds and pushed stories long before Trump forced Obama to provide birth certificates.
If you view this as part of the antagonists of the left and their 3+ year campaign to bring down the Presidency (and by extension, the country), this Coronavirus hysteria on the Left does just seem to be Russian Collusion, the sequel. Something, anything, to return Democrats to the levers of power.
Chuck said...
As you answer these questions, Drago, I want you to picture me backing you into a corner, screaming in your face, and repeatedly jabbing my fist into your sternum for emphasis.
I just want to post this for emphasis.
Racist Titty-twister boy is all puffed up right now.
I think the democrats have realized the dead end they are in.
Rush talked to Pence, who droned on like a bureaucrat. That's what presidential used to be.
Jim at is another very stupid commenter. Trump sycophants are very upset today.
Bay Area Guy said...
The US has a population of 330 Million. According to the CDC (via this right-wing news site), we have the following stats for 2017-2018 in the US:
1. 45 Million flu cases
2. 810,000 hospitalizations for the flu
3. 61,000 deaths from the flu
This needs to be emphasized.
Roughly 1000 people died from the flu this week in the US based on these numbers.
The democrats don't care about them. They only care about what they can use to attack Trump.
"Trumpvirus" is going to backfire on these pieces of shit. The masks are off.
“ Have a look at the most recent graphs showing the growth of the infections. Flattening”
Or lying. We don’t really know. There are several countries whose statistics are suspect. China, of course, has been lying since Day 1. They may be doing what the MSM pollsters do every major election, which is catching their polls up to reality, as the election nears, so that they don’t look like the Dem operatives that they actually are. China is already suffering horribly - not so much directly from the disease, but rather economically, as company after company is removing them from their supply chains, or at least augmenting them with output from other countries.
We know close to nothing about what is happening in China’s next door neighbor, North Korea. While North Korea has hundreds of thousands Tripp’s between them and their neighbor to the south, their border with China is much more porous. South Korea should get honorable mention here too, with a Coronavirus doomsday cult apparently intentionally spreading the disease.
And then there is the Islamic Republic of Iran. While Saudi Arabia has effectively banned the annual Hajj to Mecca this year, the Iranians haven’t done much in that direction for pilgrimages to their holy sites, such as Qom, in the province next to Tehran. They are just now getting around to cancelling weekly prayers where masses of the faithful kneel closely together listening to sermons. Of course, this may not be as bad as it would have been 40 years ago, when most Muslims there attended services. Now, Muslim religious observance is now supposedly in the single digits. Still, with a prominent cleric telling the people to stick essential oils up their anuses, instead of observing modern health safety practices, because that was what their Prophet commanded of them 1300 years ago, the prognosis isn’t great. Esp in a country run by clerics. One alarming fact is that so many of the top tier of their government is infected, including at least one death. Could that be an indication that the number of infected, and recorded deaths, are significantly higher than reported? Could this be the event that finally ends up bringing their increasingly unpopular regime down? (Which is probably part of why they seem to be lying through their teeth so blatantly).
The CDC website is presenting alarming information about this virus, when nobody has a clue about how it spreads, let alone how dangerous it really is. My guess is that infected people are being significantly under-counted, so the death rate is lower than being reported.
Which is silly. The human race has been dealing with Corona viruses since forever. As I understand it, most common colds are due to Corona viruses, and ditto SARS. and MERS. It’s almost certainly spread the same way — coughing and sneezing. Unfortunately (and I will defer to healthcare professionals on this) as we all know getting a cold does not confer immunity from future common colds.
The best time to invest in the stock is once a month, in modest amounts, for the rest of your life.
Jim at is another very stupid commenter. Trump sycophants are very upset today.
I didn't vote for the guy, dumbass.
Blogger rcocean said..."I'll have to listen to the speech MYSELF, to see EXACTLY what Mulvaney said. Because you cannot trust the Wapo/NYt/MSM to paraphrase accurately what Trump or any Trump supporter says. Period."
I've witnessed this personally many times, and it predates Trump. I don't believe a damn thing they report anymore.
It really is disheartening. A reliable press could be such a benefit to society, but they've pissed it all away. Bastards.
TreeJoe said...
Panic is not warranted. Preparedness is.
I agree.
The US is the most prepared country in the world.
Meanwhile there are 3000 new cases of Coronavirus? An order of magnitude more people actually died of flu in the same time with millions of new cases.
The attacks on Trump are purely political and purely bullshit being thrown out by pieces of shit who do absolutely nothing to help.
“ Think about it. Who gets tested for the virus? Generally it's going to be people who show up to hospitals and clinics with symptoms that are severe enough that they need treatment. It's possible, and probably likely, that there's been a large population of people in China whose symptoms were either pretty mild or just not severe enough to justify a vist to a hospital or health clinic. They may even have suspected that they have or had the virus and just stayed home, self quarantining.”
Making this worse, a lot of Chinese were viewing quarantine as effectively a death sentence. They weren’t going anywhere near the medical or political authorities with anything less than full on symptoms because they believed that that meant that they would die alone amidst strangers, instead of with their families, or maybe could eve recover through application of more traditional medicines.
If the coronavirus flatlines, or starts to fade, and the Dow continues it's decline, then, it's Crazy Bernie's fault. What should we do with him?
I didn't vote for the guy,
Not sure if you've aware of it, but you do often times come across as a Trump supporter. No slur intended...a few of my family, friends, and co-workers did vote for the guy & I don't hold it against 'em.
Would you mind sharing who you did cast a vote for? I truly can't see you pulling the lever for Hillary, unless you were keeping a promise to a dying relative.
Blogger Bruce Hayden said...
One alarming fact is that so many of the top tier of their government is infected, including at least one death. Could that be an indication that the number of infected, and recorded deaths, are significantly higher than reported? Could this be the event that finally ends up bringing their increasingly unpopular regime down? (Which is probably part of why they seem to be lying through their teeth so blatantly).
My operating hypothesis is that COVID-19 made its way to Iran via China - Iran gov't contacts.
Which would mean those people were the first ones hit, rather than follow on "victims".
Which would be good news for Iran on multiple fronts. The bad guys and their minions get sick, but it's not (yet) widespread to teh people in general.
"purplepenquin said...
@CuriousGeorge
I thought you admitted that you did post the video of union workers dying & getting hurt on the job, so why do I need to go back almost a decade and link to the post where you did it? Or are you now back to saying that you never-ever posted any video like that at all?
Either way - Fuck off, you're a sick lil' man."
You said and have not retracted that I posted it "over and over" (I posted it once) and said I made fun of the deaths and injuries (which I did not.) Oh, and again, only one union worker died. The only moving the goalposts around is you.
“ Which is silly. The human race has been dealing with Corona viruses since forever. As I understand it, most common colds are due to Corona viruses, and ditto SARS. and MERS. It’s almost certainly spread the same way — coughing and sneezing. Unfortunately (and I will defer to healthcare professionals on this) as we all know getting a cold does not confer immunity from future common colds.”
The coughing may be how it primarily spreads, but not just by inhaling the viri expelled by infectious individuals, but also through contact with surfaces that have been coughed on, or transfer from other such surfaces. Then typically picking it up on their hands, and either contaminating other surfaces, or near mucus glans, in the eyes, nose, etc. Apparently even med students, who should know better, cannot prevent themselves from rubbing their eyes, picking their noses, etc. The medical doctors here can probably explain this better. But, yes, transmission doesn’t seem that different from common cold and flu - though the virus may be a bit hardier on surfaces outside the body.
One interesting thing about COVID-19 is that it appears to start in the lower lungs, instead of in the upper lungs, where most respiratory viruses seem to start. This means that there were apparently a lot of false negatives early on, because the X-Ray machines being used didn’t pick lower lung infections, and only did so when the disease progressed into the upper lungs. Detecting the disease in the lower lungs apparently requires an MRI machine, which apparently costs a lot more. This isn’t a problem in the US, but MRIs are not nearly as ubiquitous in many poorer countries around the world. I would be curious if there were any in Iran, where the country’s leaders seem to prefer the medicine taught in the Quran to modern medicine.
If the coronavirus flatlines, or starts to fade, and the Dow continues it's decline, then, it's Crazy Bernie's fault. What should we do with him?
The stock market runs on two emotions: fear and greed. Fear always provokes a greater response than greed which is more measured.
I believe that there are three main fears driving down the market:
1. China and/or SE Asian economies collapsing causing a chain reaction.
2. Bernie's ascendancy.in the Democrat party. Whomever the candidate is has a nearly 50-50 chance to beat Trump.
3. The market is overvalued and due for correction.
So we are talking about a storm that is not perfect, but expected.
Do not panic. Do not take off your shoes.
“Which would be good news for Iran on multiple fronts. The bad guys and their minions get sick, but it's not (yet) widespread to teh people in general.”
I hope you are right. President Trump has repeatedly said that he loves Iranians, just not their leaders. I completely agree. I tend to like the Persians I have known.
30 days from now, we'll be like "what was that virus called that spooked the stock market and made every liberal hack even crazier?"
Big Mike, I am no expert on face masks. I wore them in the operating room for years but don't know much about their use in this disease.
As for protecting your wife, that is tough. All I could suggest is minimizing contact until you are recovered.
As for coughs, etc, this virus also has a fecal-oral spread potential. Hand washing is the main protection, and avoiding San Francisco of course.
I agree that there are many cases of infection that are unknown because they are mild. I expect this to be prominent among young people and children who seem least affected. Also smoking and chronic lung troubles may be making this worse in China as smoking and air pollution are major factors.
The use of CT scans for diagnosis may be overstating the incidence, CT not MRI still seems to be the preferred method for diagnosis.
"Why not put Romney in charge of the Response?"
I dunno. Maybe because Romney, in an attempt to Grandstand, would make it the most important crisis the world has ever seen, ask Trump for $Billions and $Billions, and then complain that Trump is "sabotaging" the effort and "risking the health of the Country". Not to mention, criticizing every statement Trump would make on the Crisis.
Mittens whole life revolves around proving (1) he should have been POTUS - not Trump and (2) getting praise from the NTY/WaPo.
I could really go for some Chinese take out right about now, but I'm scared to read the Fortune Cookie.
Ha.
BAG: So I reckon my question is this: if we already have LARGE NUMBERS of flu cases (45 Million) and flu deaths (61,000) in the US, why the freak-out over SMALL NUMBERS of flu cases and flu deaths from the Corona ChiCom Virus, that apparently hasn't yet shown up here?
Putting aside the tendentious "freak-out" (who's "freaking out"?), it's not absolute numbers that are the cause for concern right now. The annual morbidity and mortality from flu, U.S and global, tend to stay in a "standard" range - so, business as usual. People die, it's what we do. We're set up to handle normal numbers of illness and death from familiar infectious diseases.
But we don't know beforehand how an infectious disease showing novel features (and it's not called novel coronavirus for nothing) is going to behave. Public health officials are looking at a lot more than the number of people it's killed yet to gauge possible dangers. (Genetic structure, R0, mortality rate, incubation period, etc.) The same is done for good old familiar flu that kills large numbers (excuse me, LARGE NUMBERS) every year. Those strains are analyzed, genetically and epidemiologically, for their potential to go all Hong Kong or Spanish flu on us, and appropriate measures for control and containment recommended, long before (one hopes) the death toll starts climbing significantly above the normal range.
I don't have a strong opinion on this, but in general I oppose "freak-outs, disinformation, hysteria, and propaganda."
Then stop freaking out about non-existent panics. Cancelled flights and quarantines are not panics. They're reasonable and prudent public health measures made by people who are responsible for making decisions with limited information. This is true regardless of who else might be trying to hijack a public health issue for their own agenda.
I posted it
Yes, you did. And you were being an asshole when you did so.
You can make whatever other claims you wanna make about it now. I recall it being repeatedly posted. If you wanna say that you personally didn't do so and it must have been some other sick assholes who re-posted it after you did, then fine. You wanna keep going on&on about how it was only one worker that died then have at it. You wanna now state that you took no glee when posting that clip then feel free to keep saying that.
None of your excuses matter one iota - you're a sick lil' man, no matter how much you try to justify your ugly and disgusting behavior.
I'm still waiting for WWIII. Should I move on to the current crisis? Or can I keep waiting for WWIII?
I just got over the all-but certain recession of last summer.
I’m still dealing with my death from eliminating Net Neutrality. Funny, that. I didn’t feel a thing.
Last night I saw for the first time a TV ad from the Bloomberg camp which seemed to blame Trump for the coronavirus threat to the US. Nanny State Mike and his ad men blamed it on some unspecified "Trump cuts." Even if the ad were true (always a big "if" when dealing with "liberal" propaganda), what could one make of it? Never cut government anything, on the chance that it might someday halt a pandemic? How like a statist!
Hi Angel-Dyne,
Well, I understand where you're coming from, but we're gonna have to agree to disagree, and see how the epidemic plays out in the US. If a buncha people get sick and die, I will be horribly off base. If not, I won't. But, if I may interject one last witticism.
You write:
...it's not absolute numbers that are the cause for concern right now.
With respect to the "absolute numbers," I am reminded of one of my favorite movies, This is Spinal Tap:
Marty: The last time Tap toured America, they where, uh, booked into 10,000 seat arenas, and 15,000 seat venues, and it seems that now, on their current tour they're being booked into 1,200 seat arenas, 1,500 seat arenas, and uh I was just wondering, does this mean uh...the popularity of the group is waning?
Ian: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no...no, no, not at all. I, I, I just think that the.. uh.. their appeal is becoming more selective.
The two word review for Shark Sandwich applies to the entire field of Democratic Presidential candidates.
Does anyone actually believe that crap he is spewing? Paranoia at its worst.
Please.
Vicki from Pasadena
Dr. Messonnier seems to be in charge of the testing debacle.
Perhaps part of her the sky is falling comment, was to distract how bad the CDC has failed on the testing side.
COVID-19/SARS-CoV2 Update 2-23-2020 — When the “New Versailles Class” Meets Reality Without Privilege
https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/61785.html#more-61785
>To deal with this spread, the ROK government public health
>system is capable of 10,000 COVID-19 tests a day with a six-
>hour turn around.
>This contrasts with the American CDC test which has done 500 total tests.
Per the WSJ, HA had ZERO TEST KITS A WEEK AGO
https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-does-the-u-s-have-so-few-confirmed-coronavirus-cases-11582241112
And per Gavin Newsom, CA only has 200 test kits.
https://calmatters.org/health/2020/02/coronavirus-test-kits-masks-shortage-california/
From what I can pick up, the CDC has centralized CoronaVirus Testing, and required a test they only have a machine for, as a power grab.
FDA has some involvement in this, by not allowing other tests.
So private labs have not been allowed in the US to do CoronaVirus Testing.
Prior Federal Requirements is a person would only be tested if they had traveled overseas to an area with CoronaVirus, such as Wuhan. Unfortunately, the case in CA did not meet that requirement, hence the delay.
I see this as damage control by Dr. Messonnier:
Top health official denies low number of confirmed coronavirus cases in US caused by faulty tests
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/top-health-official-denies-low-number-of-confirmed-coronavirus-cases-in-us-caused-by-faulty-tests
The current CDC test has issues, high negative rate, so a new test is being rolled out to replace it.
Disclaimer - Not a Bio person, and the above is putting together information from a lot of different sources.
Seeing Inga and Chuck brings back the memory of Inga taking 11 months to decide that shooting Republican Congressmen down in cold blood is a bad thing (seriously, it took her 11 months to finally say that trying to kill Republicans was, perhaps, not the best thing.). So yes, it's entirely believable that she is hoping for millions of dead Americans at the hands of the virus. Of course, it should only be the "right Americans" who die--those deplorables, naturally. Heaven forbid a single illegal immigrant die--that means Trump personally murdered him or her or it (have we decided on pronouns for the 57 genders yet?)
And watching Chuck discuss Barron Trump--doesn't the Trump family have a restraining order out against Chuck? After all, it's a bit amusing for Chuck to concede that Barron Trump is a computer whiz, after Chuck's years long campaign to smear Barron as little more than a cave troll or something. Chuck does have expertise in the mental illness area though, I'll give him that.
As for the Corona virus--it appears to be really contagious, but relatively harmless. It is strange that of the usual "old people, young people, and people susceptible to respiratory illnesses", that it's only targeting for death old people with respiratory weaknesses--no young people as far as I know.
Disclaimer - Not a Bio person
My first thought was "Holy crap! Some AI is actually posting comments on here"
purplepenquin said...
Kinda rude to tell someone their own name is mis-spelled, no? :D
Oh, don't work me. Your avatar is quite obviously a purple PENGUIN. For some reason, like black people, you misspell it intentionally, to be distinctive I suppose.
And yes - it is an actual name rather than just a handle used online. Friends and co-workers really do call me that, tho usually it is just "Penquin" for short.
So your actual name on your driver's license is something like Jonathan Livingston Penquin?
That said, the tale of how my name came to be is better told in person rather than typed out...if you really wanna know about it, ask me again if we see each other in person.
I guess so, will spare you. Not expecting to meet anyone on blogs, but if you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans.
Why would you even say it?
Because someone else up-thread was saying that there is "ample evidence that in his private life he is a very good person". I simply provided some evidence which I beleive suggests otherwise.
There are so many other forms of goodness than monogamy. It's hard to sincerely believe that you hang your hat on that. Nobody said he was perfect. We already knew that, he orders his steaks well done (or "done well," whatever). 'Twere invidious to particularize, but indeed there have been many examples of his actions which have pleased me.
I didn't say he was terrible. Didn't say he was evil. Didn't say he was bad. Nor did I say everyone/anyone who is divorced is automatically any of those things. Rather, just respectfully expressed my own opinion and explained why I felt as such, in the hope that those who can't wrap their head around the idea that others may honestly disagree with their opinion may have a better understanding of other peoples' viewpoints.
The responses has been very insightful, to say the least.
Insightful is my middle name, sure enough. Lots of very good people are divorced, some of them more than once. Indeed the person who marries and marries again exemplifies "the triumph of hope over experience."
He could have a new woman every night. What could be easier for a man (or woman) like Donald Trump than to live in sin and have bastards, to fob off the mothers with some pittance or other like the basketball players often seem to do, or have them aborted? Compared to that, he is very good indeed. (I give Jack Nicholson credit because, though he has taken what he wanted from women, evidently he pays the piper-maintains any number of natural children, when nothing would be more expected than having them zapped.)
I won't call you a hypocrite, because I don't know enough about you, but I find yours a shockingly shallow judgment, and to say that I don't believe you would, in this case, be a compliment.
but it's pronounced throat warbler mangrove, who developed those testing kits,
Vance said...
Seeing Inga and Chuck brings back the memory of Inga taking 11 months to decide that shooting Republican Congressmen down in cold blood is a bad thing (seriously, it took her 11 months to finally say that trying to kill Republicans was, perhaps, not the best thing.
I never thought that she was particularly clear about whether she thought it was bad that he was shot; Or bad that the shooting wasn't more successful
How about it Igna? Is murdering republican leaders, in cold blood:
Good?
or
Bad?
Bitch Commenter AReasonableMan said...
Nichevo, an asshole of the first water like me can't contend with normal average decent people. We recoil from humanity like vampires from garlic.
BC AristotleWannaBe is another with ... issues. It is difficult for regular people to understand how grown, and not young, men think that insulting people on the internet who hold opinions different to their own is a valuable way to spend time. Yet here we are.
Is that how it works?
I had that fleeting thought as I posted, that I was opening myself up to that...
>Disclaimer - Not a Bio person
>
>My first thought was "Holy crap! Some AI is actually posting comments on here"
BAG: "Well, I understand where you're coming from, but we're gonna have to agree to disagree, and see how the epidemic plays out in the US. If a buncha people get sick and die, I will be horribly off base. If not, I won't."
I'm really scratching my head here. My point has jack squat to do with whether coronavirus turns out to kill a lot of people, or fizzles out. It applies to either scenario. And my criticism of your statements also stands, regardless of how the epidemic plays out. That nobody knows how the epidemic is gonna play out is pretty pretty much explicit premise behind everything I said here.
I guess I could ask you could point out to me from where the hell in anything I said you derived the idea that "Angle-Dyne thinks that coronavirus is going to kill a lot of people in this country", but I'm having such a wtf reaction to your response here that I figure it's time to call it quits. I'd be happy to agree to disagree if I had any idea what you were actually disagreeing with me about.
Does anyone actually believe that crap he is spewing? Paranoia at its worst.
You'd think a person who lives in Pasadena - and strongly supports illegal immigration - might be more aware of the potential threat. Maybe that person doesn't think chickens ever come home to roost, either.
operating hypothesis is that COVID-19 made its way to Iran via China - Iran gov't contacts.
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What then about China officials infection status?
You know Mulvaney hit the a bulls-eye on the liberal hack target when Vicky from Pasadena pipes up.
Blogger Chuck said...
Mick you were right back before Trump was elected, and you called him "a terrible person." He hasn't changed one bit. And you know it
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Terrible person hired person who called him terrible.
Interesting turn of events.
"Are anyone of any significance actually saying such things? Or are you just hoping&wishing that they will?"
I first heard the expression Trump's Katrina about a month ago. Then there are the lefties that stated they were hoping for a recession to hurt Trump. So it has a ring of plausibility.
Fucking A right bubba. Its so transparent they aren't bothering to hide it any more. But what else can they gripe about? Only a pandemic that killed millions, would allow the conditions for them to win an election this year.
The current CDC test has issues, high negative rate, so a new test is being rolled out to replace it.
Good enough for government work, though. The CDC has been so busy with bullying and gun control that it had no time for stuff like infectious diseases.
Schumer blasted Trump for his "premature" limitation on travel from China a month ago. Then he is horrified that Trump was not moving faster than the CDC on testing. If Trump cured cancer, the Democrats would be holding benefits for the poor oncologists.
Public health is a field dominated by public employees, therefore Democrats. I have never known a public health physician who was not a Democrat.
"The CDC has been so busy with bullying and gun control that it had no time for stuff like infectious diseases."
Mission creep is a real problem in government. The CDC needs to be reformed. I don't know if they have enough money, but they'd have a lot more of it to address disease if they stuck to addressing disease.
Right, tell it to Obama. Like these ninnies ever portrayed him in a positive light.
And isn't the whining and crying typical. Oh wow - he's nice to his son? How presidential and newsworthy. Or as normal people call it, human. But then, we're talking about a guy who wanted to use pandemic response (funds) as an excuse for cutting people's heating. So maybe he's not as human as Mulvaney wants everyone to think, after all.
But hey, I get it. Even Hitler loved his dog.
The only thing more pathetic than this administration is its boosters here. Talk about obsessed with politics. I guess if your 24/7 job is defending a president as twisted as this guy, then you'd have to comment on every one of dozens and dozens of blog posts desperately urging everyone to please, please think of the Orange Robe-Baby as human.
Public health is a field dominated by public employees, therefore Democrats. I have never known a public health physician who was not a Democrat.
Duh. Because as with the humanities, right-wing Nazis don't give a shit about public health.
It's hard to sincerely believe that you hang your hat on that.
It was the qualifier of "very" that prompted my response. Again, ain't saying he (or anyone) is automatically a bad person for being twice-divorced. Rather, I beleive that strongly indicates that he is a not a very good" person...especially given what is known about the situations that led his two marriages coming to an end. (If he got divorced 'cause his wife was beating him, that would be a different thing.)
Reckon we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one - but I do appreciate learning more about yours, and others, point-of-view.
If Trump cured cancer,
Don't worry. He won't. But your hyperbolic yelps about the unrecognized medical acumen of a tanning bed addict who twice confused HIV with HPV is funny.
who would administer the death panels otherwise,
"The current CDC test has issues, high negative rate, so a new test is being rolled out to replace it."
Good enough for government work, though. The CDC has been so busy with bullying and gun control that it had no time for stuff like infectious diseases.
You really are one hell of a talent for confabulation. Trump slashed CDC efforts for preventing disease outbreaks by 80%.
Try again. Without the propaganda propping up your pro-gun death/flooding the ERs of America agenda.
the modern medical ethos would agitate Hippocrates, don't do any harm, and actually treat the patient, Obama actually painted doctors as public enemy no. 1, that's why he had to pretend to obtain support for his procrustean schemes,
Uh Oh.
Ritmo woke up.
We can expect more crap from Rachel Maddow to be posted.
Oh no! Francisco "D" (for DRAMA QUEEN) doesn't seem to know any more about Rachel Maddow than he does about Rush Limbaugh.
Who BTW said that because it's a version of the viruses that cause colds then hey no biggie.
Colds don't generally kill between 2 and 4% of the people who get them, but if weren't for the death they flirt with the right-wing Nazis would never feel excited enough to get out of bed in the morning.
Ritmo's here? The guy who openly cheers rounding up every Trump voter and sending them to Treblinka or Auschwitz. Talk about a public health crisis!
Just remember, there's no crisis so bad, no trouble so great, that putting a Democrat in charge of it won't make it ten times worse.
"It will be interesting when Barron is an adult," It will be interesting also when at long last, the somewhat banned Noted Long Time Republican Commenter is too.
Aside from divorces, what makes one a bad person, in Penguin World?
Wearing white after Labor Day?
Anyway, I just woke up?
Sorry Fran. Not all of us are as underemployed as you are on a Friday as to post here all day.
Or have "work" that somehow involves constant online checking of whatever propaganda a retired lawyer has to push on her Trump-loving fans.
Still, to be fair: I think all of us would agree that no matter how bad Coronavirus is, how easy to transmit or how many people die from it--
It's still not as dangerous or potentially deadly to your health as coming between Chuck Schumer and a microphone.
Ritmo's here? The guy who openly cheers rounding up every Trump voter and sending them to Treblinka or Auschwitz.
That would be amusing. Not sure where I did that, though. Maybe you could be an honest right-winger (oxymoron, I know), and cite the link where I did that.
If not, then maybe you can keep your Nazi thoughts to yourself, no matter how excited with thoughts of martyrdom they make you feel.
What an extremely boring life you must have to imagine that people are taking supporters of the guy who presides over massacres like the one in Pittsburgh to death camps.
Pathetic. In the meantime the American lifespan continues to shorten under Trump. Talk about a death agenda.
No one knows much.
Our public health services are very good. There is reason for concern but not panic.
We will probably know a lot more in two weeks or so.
We have a lot of twats here.
I think that's a fair assessment, china is a black box that we've entrusted most of our industrial production, including that of pharmaceuticals, the banquet of consequences is coming do from that decision, some like david Cameron are still openly serving as xi's man servant,
Heard 3M N95 respirator mentioned as a mask to use. My experience is masks can be quite awkward to use and the itching and scratching involved pose their own risks when considering hand to mask contacts.
the wonders of the nhs,
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-uk-news-update-cases-latest-live/
some good reminders to combat the hype from the hack(D) press:
5 Reasons to Stop Freaking Out About Coronavirus
It is an unpleasant respiratory illness, but it is not an organ-destroying horror like Ebola. Precautions are being taken, a vaccine will emerge, and life will continue as usual.
Here are five specific reasons to chill out.
1. Coronavirus is a familiar illness, and not as bad as others. It is from the SARS family — and less deadly. As Ha’aretz noted, “the mortality rate from the current disease ranges from 0.5 to 2 percent, and is significantly lower than the mortality rate from the 2002 SARS outbreak (9.5 percent) and much lower than the 2012 SARS outbreak (34.4 percent). It may even be close to the mortality rate from an ordinary flu outbreak in the United States.”
2. The U.S. response has been exceptionally good. There have only been 16 cases thus far, none deadly. President Donald Trump bought precious time by stopping travel to China last month — a step critics said was overly drastic. Democrats are screaming about funding and staff cuts that never actually happened. The latest outrage: the White House is controlling the message. As they should! The people in lab coats are not always good communicators.
3. We are going to have a vaccine soon. There are private companies in the U.S. and around the world racing to develop a vaccine — not just because of the urgent public health need, but because whoever finds it first stands to make a lot of money. (This is where the profit motive, and the pharmaceutical industry, are so crucial — contrary to what Bernie Sanders, Amy Klobuchar, and other Democrats running for president have been saying about them.)
4. China is going to be all right. The number of cases in China sounds large — until you consider the size of China. True, the Chinese government has been duplicitous about coronavirus, as it is about everything. (Amartya Sen famously observed that India, unlike China, has never suffered famine because India has a free press.) And U.S. firms are learning a long-overdue lesson about the risks of investing there. But China will eventually pull through.
5. The same people who want you to panic about coronavirus want you to panic about everything. The news business thrives on chaos. In addition, the media want to destroy Trump, which is why they spread the Russia collusion hoax. Coronavirus is not a hoax, but pundits should be asked if they cared enough about flu — which kills far more people — to get their shot this year. If not, ignore them. Remember to wash your hands, and stay cool."
No one knows much.
Our public health services are very good. There is reason for concern but not panic.
Sounds like someone thinks he knows much.
We are going to have a vaccine soon. There are private companies in the U.S. and around the world racing to develop a vaccine — not just because of the urgent public health need, but because whoever finds it first stands to make a lot of money.
Unless "soon" means at least 12 to 18 months then you can stop lying about this one. Check your sources. Are you aware that private companies have to trial their products and submit the data? Anthony Fauci had to correct the wildly premature timelines provided by your craptastic Leader Trump during the same news conference.
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“Anthony Fauci had to correct the wildly premature timelines provided by your craptastic Leader Trump during the same news conference.”
Yes he did and Trump wasn't decent enough to feel embarrassed. He’s at a rally in NC ranting about how unfair Democrats and the Press are to him because of his ineptness at his own press conference. Oh the outrage that dittoheads and Trumpists are feeling! How dare anyone question the almighty Trump! He blew his credibility even before he became president. And in a National health emergency the US needs a competent administration.
@Ritmo, you referenced the Pittsburgh massacre. Your real name wouldn’t happen to be Robert Gregory Bowers, would it? Both of you hate Donald Trump about equally.
Recommend you read my comment at 11:40.
Trump is on home territory tonight. The unanimous opinion of the South Carolinians is that their President has earned 4 more years. That’s mighty Scots Irish of them.
in the world of vaccines - 12-18 months is soon.
Inga - your Trump-hate and Trump obsessive derangement syndrome is of epic sycophantic proportions..
Good enough for government work, though. The CDC has been so busy with bullying and gun control that it had no time for stuff like infectious diseases.
You really are one hell of a talent for confabulation. Trump slashed CDC efforts for preventing disease outbreaks by 80%.
I see the liar is up.
Trump didn't slash CDC funding. That is fake news.
in the world of vaccines - 12-18 months is soon.
The vaccine will not be important unless this virus becomes chronic.
Remdesivir will be much more important as treating severe cases will be key.
China is now running a trial with the drug. Peter Navarro says we have ordered 90,000 doses assuming it is effective in trial with the 4500 doses in hand.
Trump didn't slash CDC funding. That is fake news.
Ritmo is blathering nonsense most of the time. Too bad he flunked molecular biology. He could even be helpful if he knew anything.
“...in the world of vaccines - 12-18 months is soon.”
Such a complacent dumb little Trump sycophant. In a world of a virus like Covid19, a year to 18 months is an eternity. Look at China, who tried to hide how bad this virus really was, from December to now over 84,000 with over 2,800 dead. Now it’s in over 50 countries.
“The cuts started in 2018 as the White House focused on eliminating funding to Obama-era disease security programs. In March of that year, Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer, whose job it was to lead the U.S. response in the event of a pandemic, abruptly left the administration and his global health security team was disbanded.
That same year, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) was forced to slash its efforts to prevent global disease outbreak by 80% as its funding for the program began to run out. The agency, at the time, opted to focus on 10 priority countries and scale back in others, including China.
Also cut was the Complex Crises Fund, a $30 million emergency response pool that was at the secretary of state’s disposal to deploy disease experts and others in the event of a crisis. (The fund was created by former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.)
Overall in 2018, Trump called for $15 billion in reduced health spending that had previously been approved, as he looked at increasing budget deficits, cutting the global disease-fighting budgets of the CDC, National Security Council (NSC), Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and Health and Human Services (HHS) in the process.
The effects of those cuts are being felt today. While the CDC announced plans to test people with flu-like symptoms for COVID-19, those have been delayed and only three of the country’s 100 public-health labs have been able to test for coronavirus. The administration’s request for additional funding came roughly two weeks after officials said HHS was almost out of funding for its response to the virus.”
https://fortune.com/2020/02/26/coronavirus-covid-19-cdc-budget-cuts-us-trump/
Show us more of your concern:
Show us more of your feigned concern
Billions of people hate Trump, Big Mike. Get used to it.
Here are some of their elected leaders. Laughing at his idiocy.
“In 2018, Trump administration eliminated the position of senior director for global health security and biodefense as part of a broader downsizing of the NSC spearheaded by then-National Security Adviser John Bolton. Earlier this month, 27 Democratic senators sent a letter to current National Security Adviser Robert O’Brien urging him to reinstate the position and asking him to clarify how the White House plans to handle global health security threats.
Retired Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer held the position of senior director for global health security and biodefense on the NSC from April 2017 to July 2018. He previously coordinated the President’s Malaria Initiative under President George W. Bush, and is now the senior deputy assistant administrator for the Bureau for Democracy, Conflict, and Humanitarian Assistance at the US Agency for International Development (USAID).
Cutbacks at that agency under the Trump administration are also receiving new scrutiny.
Last year, the USAID program known as PREDICT was shuttered. The initiative was launched in 2009 and designed to improve the “detection and discovery of zoonotic viruses with pandemic potential.” The program is credited with identifying nearly a thousand new zoonotic viruses, which are transmitted between animals and humans, and influencing the response effort currently being employed to combat the coronavirus, which is a zoonotic infection.”
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-cut-cdcs-budget-democrats-claim-analysis/story?id=69233170
The same people who cheered arafat ahmadinejad and chavez tell me more.
Inga confuses a derivative with a quantity. The funding is yet positively monotonic. In any case these miss claimed "reductions" have "certainly" been devastating to the care provided over the 20 days that this crisis has been seen. A public servant can't take a dump in 10 days.
It’s a damn shame how ignorant Trumpists are. Anything to make excuses for Trump, even pandemic denial.
“In 2018, Trump tried to cut $65 million from this budget – a 10% reduction. In 2019, he sought a 19% reduction. For 2020, he proposed to cut federal spending on emerging infectious and zoonotic diseases by 20%. This would mean spending $100 million less in 2020 to study how such diseases infect humans than the US did just two years ago.
Congress reinstated most of this funding, with bipartisan support. But the overall level of appropriations for relevant CDC programs is still 10% below what the US spent in 2016, adjusting for inflation.
Even worse, in 2018 the administration disbanded its own global health security team, which was supposed to make the US more resilient to the threat of epidemics. This unfortunate decision was part of a reorganization that former national security adviser John Bolton carried out shortly after arriving at the White House.
Bolton eliminated the National Security Council’s global health security and biodefense directorate, and reshuffled its team of world-class infectious disease experts. In response, two highly respected leaders in the field – Rear Admiral Tim Ziemer, the NSC’s senior director for global health security and biodefense, and Homeland Security adviser Tom Bossert – left the White House.”
https://inkstickmedia.com/budget-cuts-have-made-the-us-less-ready-for-coronavirus/
The FDA has been the villain in the vaccine story but I still think the vaccine will play a small role in this epidemic.
Their role in the test kit imbroglio is more important,
THis was way too late. Schumer was railing at Trump for his stopping of China flights last month.
Hey genius - the one who thinks Watson and Crick "discovered the gene" - links up there on all the CDC operations that Trump slashed from Fortune, ABC and others. You say this is all "fake news," Mr. Watson-Crick Gene Discoverers? That's what you're saying?
You all know what a genius everyone thinks you are so put on your proctoscope and gloves and let us know what's in those reports that's fake.
Asshole.
Well, at least Trump admits he learned something new, for a change.
His followers here worship him regardless. They get all their information from him.
They are not allowed to experience reality except according to his say-so.
Russia Collusion/Carter Page=Russia Spy Truther Inga: "It’s a damn shame how ignorant Trumpists are. Anything to make excuses for Trump, even pandemic denial"
LOL
Annual funding for emerging and zoonotic infectious diseases at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has increased every year of the Trump Presidency.
Every. Single. Year.
Every. Single. Year.
Inga is still angry no US soldiers were killed in the Iran strikes!
"better luck" next time Inga!
BTW, Carter Page, Russia Spy or no?
youre welcome
narciso posts an important update on Trump's travel ban from China.
The dems criticized this move and called it racist. Now the WHO says it was the right move.
I wonder if any of the dems/lefties here will admit it was the right move?
If I had to wager I'd say they will not.
I am sure the "cuts" have made it unaffordable for the government to cancel flights from China and to quarantine folks at military bases. If only we had spent more in 2017 we would now have a vaccine for a disease that no one had a culture from until 2020. CDC spending has increased every year since 2016 net of inflation.
Josephbleau: "I am sure the "cuts" have made it unaffordable for the government to cancel flights from China and to quarantine folks at military bases. If only we had spent more in 2017 we would now have a vaccine for a disease that no one had a culture from until 2020. CDC spending has increased every year since 2016 net of inflation."
Math Denier Inga keeps trying to twist the data to say it means funding to the CDC was cut.
Is anyone surprised?
I wanted to get HoaxPPT/Ritmo's take on the interviews of the 93 Dem Superdelegates of whom ONLY 9 said they believed that Sanders, even with a strong plurality, should have a lock on the nomination.
If Bernie comes in with say 35%-40% of the total vote (by the end) and say 45% of the delegates, would the dems really dare to deprive him of the nomination?
Hey, We are all saved ! Chelsea Clinton is now a "professor of public health" at Columbia.
I missed her graduation. Webb Hubble must be so proud.
But the overall level of appropriations for relevant CDC programs is still 10% below what the US spent in 2016, adjusting for inflation.
Inga: "But the overall level of appropriations for relevant CDC programs is still 10% below what the US spent in 2016, adjusting for inflation."
"relevant CDC programs"\
LOL
Let's get specific: Annual funding for emerging and zoonotic infectious diseases at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has increased every year of the Trump Presidency.
Every. Single. Year.
Overall CDC spending has also increased every year of the Trump Presidency.
Every. Single. Year.
Carter Page: Russian Spy or no?
Same take as always. It's sad that they're so scared of the only Democrat in 60 years to run on the FDR platform. It's even sadder how in thrall they are to whatever empty, anti-FDR platform Bill Clinton and his acolytes have actually embraced as some sort of decent or winning philosophy.
As far as what they would dare to do or not do, nothing surprises me any more.
Scratch that - the only thing that surprises me is how little they care to win or create mandates, just so long as they stay just friendly enough to Wall Street while pushing the "socially liberal" PC protest warrior crap as if that actually has any salience in America or anywhere really.
The extents to which they're willing to shit on voters younger than 30 and why they see no point in the empty, Clintonian "third way" nonsense, that surprises me.
I got nothing against Wall Street. But they have to understand what a loser, go-nowhere platform it is to be the Wall Street PC warriors. Even the right doesn't love Wall Street as much as these DNC weirdos.
They need to be defeated. The failing NY Times had a story about them and their fears and efforts to control the thing today. It just reeked of desperation and vacuousness. Even the Republicans got to transition away from this. THey're much happier for having done so. The fact that people calling themselves "Democrats" are going to let Trump and the right steal the populist and even arguably more progressive mantle from them is all the proof you need of how useless they are. They need to be defeated decisively and taken to the wood chipper. And never allowed anywhere near in again.
Someone else can have them.
Michael K: "Hey, We are all saved ! Chelsea Clinton is now a "professor of public health" at Columbia."
Hey, if Biden gets to proclaim himself a "Professor", why can't Chelsea be a professor?
OCDrago just gettin’ revved up, eh? Maybe he can outrun the Coronavirus or slay it with his lighting fast tongue.
Oh Dr. Watson-Crick Genome DIscoverer Michael K. I'm sure you've not stopped thinking about Chelsea Clinton since she was a 13-year old girl.
HoaxPPT: "Scratch that - the only thing that surprises me is how little they care to win or create mandates, just so long as they stay just friendly enough to Wall Street while pushing the "socially liberal" PC protest warrior crap as if that actually has any salience in America or anywhere really."
Best part of your comment.
Inga: "OCDrago just gettin’ revved up, eh? Maybe he can outrun the Coronavirus or slay it with his lighting fast tongue."
Just because you are too gutless to admit that Carter Page is not and never was a Russian Spy don't blame me.
Maybe endowed chair of the Watson-Crick Genome Discovery Institute, Michael K., can tell us why he hates public health so much and why everyone else should, too.
The nurse (inga) who barely made it through an easy undergraduate degree argues with a surgeon (Michael K.) who has exceptional academic and experiential qualifications. What is wrong with this picture?
Ritmo works the frylator at Mickey D's but understands most issues in great depth.
This is the modern Democratic Party, folks.
“The nurse (inga) who barely made it through an easy undergraduate degree argues with a surgeon (Michael K.) who has exceptional academic and experiential qualifications. What is wrong with this picture?
Ritmo works the frylator at Mickey D's but understands most issues in great depth.
This is the modern Democratic Party, folks.”
Are you drunk again Dr. Lecter? Where have I been arguing with Michel K? I haven’t addressed Michael K even ONCE in this entire thread.
But the overall level of appropriations for relevant CDC programs is still 10% below what the US spent in 2016, adjusting for inflation.
But is that really the right measure? What programs are they responsible for, and what does it cost to implement those progrms? Saying that their budget was X in 2016 and now their proper budget is X adjusted for inflation is extremely naive.
Billions of people hate Trump, Big Mike. Get used to it.
Billions??? Not hardly. A relatively small handful of people who were ripping off the American taxpayer and are butt hurt that Trump is smashing their rice bowls. No one who actually works for a living?
Also cut was the Complex Crises Fund, a $30 million emergency response pool that was at the secretary of state’s disposal to deploy disease experts and others in the event of a crisis. (The fund was created by former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.)
In other words, another illegal or at any rate shady program to enrich Hillary Clinton at taxpayer expense. Got it.
2 more cases of Coronavirus tonight, one in Santa Clara County and one in Oregon. No known contact with anyone that was overseas.
Trump to blame.
now were back to leftists jumping up and down over military deaths in Iraq.
Gooooo Corona!
Billions??? Not hardly. A relatively small handful of people who were ripping off the American taxpayer and are butt hurt that Trump is smashing their rice bowls. No one who actually works for a living?
Mindblindness is no excuse for the basic observation that Trump is hated throughout the world as well as by the tens of millions who voted against him (more than voted against his opponent) and beyond. And apparently now right-wingers think that other rich billionaires like Bloomberg, Steyer, and the others opposed to the Trump camp don't "work for a living." Who knew.
So Mike, can Elizabeth Warren count on your support for her plan to tax wealth, given that you think all those Trump-hating billionaires and millionaires don't actually work for a living?
Rep. Ted Lieu runs Sec. of State Mike Pompeo into the ground, asking him if he agrees with the Mulvaney statement to CPAC that the coronavirus scare is a "hoax."
https://twitter.com/jchrthomas/status/1233479692788867072
Trump to blame.
Always a safe assumption when it comes to someone as lazy and contemptuous of what he does as Trump is.
I thought you wanted him to purposely wreck the government, including CDC, no? In that case it only follows that a lazy person like him is the right person for the job, right? (Or "non-job).
Come on there, Alice. Let's at least try to figure out what rabbit holes your thoughts on government lead to.
“Rep. Ted Lieu runs Sec. of State Mike Pompeo into the ground, asking him if he agrees with the Mulvaney statement to CPAC that the coronavirus scare is a "hoax."”
Jesus. These idiots are calling a pandemic a hoax?
Chuck - who said the corona-virus is a hoax?
Ted Leui(D) is a dick.
Michael K said...
Hey, We are all saved! Chelsea Clinton is now a "professor of public health" at Columbia.
Relieved to find she's only one step up from Adjunct Lecturer:
Chelsea Clinton
Adjunct Assistant Professor
Health Policy and Management
https://www.mailman.columbia.edu/people/our-faculty/cc3459
As they used to say in NYC, "That and a token gets you a ride on the subway."
Inga- do you know the definition of a pandemic?
Trump: “This is their new hoax”. Said tonight at SC rally. The incompetence is mind boggling.
Inga- do you know the definition of a pandemic?
I do, do you?
Calling the left's reaction a "hoax" is not the same thing as calling the actual virus a hoax.
You get that, right?
Inga- you were earlier today, spreading the same lies as Biden and Bloomberg about "Trump slashing funding to the CDC!"
Mind boggling.
"The fact this virus has caused illness -- including illness resulting in death -- and sustained person-to-person spread is concerning," Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director for the National Center of Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at the CDC, said in a briefing Wednesday. "These factors meet two of the criteria of the pandemic."
Generally, the third criteria for a pandemic is worldwide spread.”
“Calling the left's reaction a "hoax" is not the same thing as calling the actual virus a hoax.
You get that, right?”
What part of the left’s reaction to Coronavirus has been a “hoax”, you unbelievably ignorant person?
I call Hoax! on the Coronavirus! Pandemic! Scare!
Narr
More a Dos Equis guy anyway
Some serious pandemics:
HIV/AIDS Pandemic (at its peak, 2005-2012)
Death Toll: 36 million
Cause: HIV/AIDS
Flu Pandemic (1968)
Death Toll: 1 million
Cause: Influenza
Asian Flu (1956-1958)
Death Toll: 2 million
Cause: Influenza
Flu Pandemic (1918)
Death Toll: 20 -50 million
Cause: Influenza
Sixth Cholera Pandemic (1910-1911)
Death Toll: 800,000+
Cause: Cholera
Flu Pandemic (1889-1890)
Death Toll: 1 million
Cause: Influenza
Third Cholera Pandemic (1852–1860)
Death Toll: 1 million
Cause: Cholera
The Black Death (1346-1353)
Death Toll: 75 – 200 million
Cause: Bubonic Plague
Plague of Justinian (541-542)
Death Toll: 25 million
Cause: Bubonic Plague
Antonine Plague (165 AD)
Death Toll: 5 million
Cause: Unknown
We're not there yet - but cheers to Nancy and Ted Leiuou(D) and Schumer for hoping and praying.
Inga- you were earlier today, spreading the same lies as Biden and Bloomberg about "Trump slashing funding to the CDC!"
Mind boggling.
"Adjunct" is a polite term for "underpaid, but possibly barely qualified" in most institutions of higher edumacation. It's pardonable in a full time but underpaid academic to adjunct at a different school or in a different department, but if Adjunct is all you do you probably have a rich spouse.
Narr
Or rich parents
Regarding the new case in Oregon.
“The state would not disclose their age, sex or specific condition.
They haven’t said where the person is, how they got sick and whether the person has exposed others to the disease.
The person first had symptoms Feb. 19, the agency said in a statement. A sample from them was collected and sent to a laboratory in Hillsboro, which used a test kit provided by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Now, the school district is shutting Forest Hills, a school with 25 teachers on staff and about 430 students in kindergarten through fifth grade, until Wednesday, March 4. The school will undergo a deep clean and all activities will be cancelled, district spokeswoman Mary Kay Larson said in a statement. Health officials will talk to employees and let families know their children could have been exposed.”
https://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/2020/02/clackamas-county-school-employee-has-coronavirus-forest-hills-elementary-shut.html
This all started in China and Trump wanted to stop all travel from China and you leftists all lost your shit as usual and yelled "racist!"
Rep. Ted Lieu runs Sec. of State Mike Pompeo into the ground, asking him if he agrees with the Mulvaney statement to CPAC that the coronavirus scare is a "hoax."
Except that's not what Mulvaney said is it? Since Lieu is a liar, I would say anyone quoting Lieu is a liar. Chuck you are a liar. Shame on you.
Corona virus is Inga's new Mueller.
so exciting.
@Narr, or you are retired and have a good pension — sort of a way to keep your hand in and make a little pocket change.
All the more reason for manufacturers to extricate themselves from shithole countries/systems like China and produce more domestically.
I just got off the phone with a friend who works for a major consumer audio division.
He has to fly to a couple different states to babysit a prototype at product demos because of many problems getting working units from Chinese supply chain.
Mindblindness is no excuse for the basic observation that Trump is hated throughout the world as well as by the tens of millions who voted against him (more than voted against his opponent) and beyond.
Well Trump doesn’t appear to be hated in India.
Big Mike, I always hedge-- I said "probably"! Some of my friends still find it necessary to adjunct but I could pick and choose, and now that I'm retired no amount of money could get me back into a classroom.
Narr
Not that I've been asked ;-)
It seems the iranian state airlines that obama removed sanctions on, broughr the plague from china
LLR-lefty and Sudden-Onset-Socialist Chuck: "Rep. Ted Lieu runs Sec. of State Mike Pompeo into the ground, asking him if he agrees with the Mulvaney statement to CPAC that the coronavirus scare is a "hoax.""
LOL
Its nice that Chuck and Inga have a brand new "Charlottesville" lie to push.
The previous lie was getting long in the tooth.
So Mike, can Elizabeth Warren count on your support for her plan to tax wealth, given that you think all those Trump-hating billionaires and millionaires don't actually work for a living?
Lizzie Warren is so stupid she couldn’t pour piss out of a boot if you printed the instructions on the heel.
BleachBit-and-Hammers: "Corona virus is Inga's new Mueller.
so exciting"
Coronavirus is the new Chuck/Inga fever dream desperate desire for US casualties in the Iran strikes.
"I want you to picture me backing you into a corner, screaming in your face, and repeatedly jabbing my fist into your sternum for emphasis."
--
Armchair Berno Bro.
What is the prog dream death count?
@Narr, it was a lot of fun for a while. But age and bad knees catch up to one, and today’s students just want a piece of paper, not actually learn something they might use to get a job and perform well in it.
purplepenquin said...
It's hard to sincerely believe that you hang your hat on that.
It was the qualifier of "very" that prompted my response. Again, ain't saying he (or anyone) is automatically a bad person for being twice-divorced. Rather, I beleive that strongly indicates that he is a not a very good" person...especially given what is known about the situations that led his two marriages coming to an end. (If he got divorced 'cause his wife was beating him, that would be a different thing.)
Reckon we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one - but I do appreciate learning more about yours, and others, point-of-view.
I guess it really is just easier to Let It Go but I don't know who you think of as a very good person. Give me some names. Then let's add two divorces to their lives' record and see if you still feel that way about them.
In general I don't understand your concern about divorce. Are you Catholic? All other faiths than Catholicism permit divorce, that I can think of. To be sure it is extremely unfortunate and I'm glad my parents have stayed together, but in this day and age, really?
"I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face,"
From Wretchard article, As Frank Sinatra sang: "Oops, there goes a billion kilowatt dam."
The virus is devouring the entire Chinese medical system. NPR reports that patients requiring urgent surgery, and even cancer treatment, are simply turned away because the epidemic has used up all available Chinese resources. If you arrive in the hospital with a heart problem, too bad.
There's simply not room at health care facilities that are focusing on coronavirus patients. There's also concern that admitting non-COVID-19 patients could put them at risk of infection by the virus, especially if they suffer from a compromised immune system.
In Shanghai, 33 major hospitals announced they would stop offering treatment in specialties such as oncology and heart and lung surgery. Most cited directives from the municipal government to avoid infection within hospital wards as the chief reason.
"The premature Travel by by the administration to and from China is just an excuse to further his ongoing war with immigrants. There must be a check and Balance on these restrictions."
A tweet by Chuck Schumer on February 5th.
That he just deleted today.
Of course he did.
Democrats and people that support them are just pieces of shit.
The House Judiciary Committee voted in favour of advancing a bill that would withdraw Trump's controversial travel ban.
February 12, 2020
This shit sure is aging well isn't it?
Chuck said:
Mick you were right back before Trump was elected, and you called him "a terrible person." He hasn't changed one bit. And you know it.
Here's what you do now, Mick. You quarantine President Trump (for national security reasons) until he can stop saying shit-stupid things that epidemiology professionals need to correct in real time.
And that way, you can perhaps contain the spread of criticism of President Dementia J. Trump. Since that is your new job.
I suppose Comrade Bernie and Creepy, Sleepy, Dopey Joe offer a better world for schmegegge NeverTrumpers. Emperor Bloomberg approves: "Let your anger and your hatred flow through you."
"Hunter Biden is the son that Dems wish Trump had had....Ivanka Trump is better looking and more engaging than Chelsea. Still Chelsea is not a mess like Hunter so you can say the Clintons were better parents than Bidens....Dems can take solace in the fact that Reagan was a bit problematic as a parent."
The stupidity in this comment and most of the ones above is beyond sublime. Still living in the pre-historic times is your cross to bear.
I have this feeling that the corona virus is 100 times worse in China than they report.
Nichevo
I have inhabited this planet for nearly seven decades. Traveled and worked and played and met a lot of people. I've never met a saint. I have met many people who have fought and overcome their failures and shortcomings. Most of em' are pretty modest about it.
Apparently PP is vying for sainthood.
What's that line from Robert Service? About feeling better about your god if they had wallowed in the mud like the rest of us.
Trump is like anybody else. He's had his triumphs and failures. Do I expect him to be a paragon of virtue? No. After all Clinton(both of em') set that bar very low.
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