"They are male, minorities, 16-25. That's true in New York, that's true in virtually every city. And that's where the real crime is. And the way you get guns out of the kids’ hands is to throw them up against the wall and frisk them."
From "Bloomberg heard in 2015 audio clip defending ‘stop and frisk,’ throwing minority kids against wall: report" (Fox News).
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322 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 322 of 322Greg: "But it's not required while you're sitting in your car. And the officer has to have a valid reason to ask you to get out of the car."
I am afraid there is far too much evidence that is not always the case.
J. Farmer said...
He’s not wrong.
Phidippus said...
When he's right, he's right. And he's right.
Bay Area Guy said...
It's mostly true. But the liberal left will say it's mean to say, because you're ignoring root causes and the legacy of racism.
gilbar said...
This is Unacceptable!
As Jo Biden so often said; WE CHOOSE TRUTH OVER FACTS
Get your Racist Facts, OUT OF HERE!
He is wrong.
It is not mostly true.
Those aren't facts. They are lies and gross generalizations.
You people need to go look in a mirror. Then you need to turn around, close your eyes, and try to put yourselves in the shoes of these kids.
These kids were born into absolutely horrid situations with no guidance from fathers. Anyone in this situation would naturally gravitate towards a tribal/gang system for protection. They were put in shitty schools where the teachers/administrators were apathetic at best and rampantly cheating test scores. They walk to school with their heads down and their eyes up because they hear gunfire and see shootings happen.
And now you want police throwing them up against the wall? Pull them over in the white part of the city?
Come on.
Broken windows policing is NOT the same as stop and frisk.
And Bloomberg goes the extra mile by using these bullshit numbers to justify disarming people because they are Black.
That is not OK.
Greg said...
But it's not required while you're sitting in your car. And the officer has to have a valid reason to ask you to get out of the car.
A valid reason used against me was: "I saw you cross the fog line a mile back."
Another valid reason used against me was: "Your pupils act funny when I shine this flashlight in your eyes at night."
Tina Trent said...
The Central Park Five were guilty,
Could you point to the conviction that supports this assertion?
Clark said...
Stop and Frisk was ruled unconstitutional by one Federal district judge. The 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals might well have reversed that judge, but we will never know because NYC chose not to defend the policy on appeal. The policy as described in that hyperbolic Bloomberg quote would be unconstitutional, but the actual policy was more nuanced.
It better not be reversed. Stop and Frisk was and is a bullshit policy that is absolutely unconstitutional.
Conflating Stop and Frisk with Broken windows policing is wrong and a political strategy taken on by evil people.
I’m a white Californian and divide my time between a place where blacks commit the overwhelming majority of murders, and a place where whites commit the overwhelming majority of murders. If Gavin Newsom declared that I could be stopped and frisked, on the basis of my race, any time I left my house and pursued lawful activities, I would consider it a gross violation of my rights as a free person under our Constitution.
Those who believe otherwise might as well start calling themselves subjects rather than citizens.
Chuck said...
2/11/20, 12:25 PM
Blogger Yancey Ward said...
Still waiting, Chuck.
Are you going to pay me to do your homework?
Google “Trump” and “stop and frisk.” Long after Judge Scheindlein’s dubious trial court ruling in the New York case, Trump himself brought it up in September of 2016, setting off yet another in the interminable line of Trump controversies. You will find thousands of entries with Trump’s name linked to stop and frisk. And particularly so in relation to New York City. And particularly so in relation to the time AFTER the SDNY federal decision where all the supposedly racial stuff got litigated.
Michael Bloomberg says stupid shit about 0.001% as often as Trump. Count them for me. We can then do the math together.
Chuck is counting on people not using google.
Chuck is a complete fraud and a liar.
And a piece of shit.
Thank you for what you do Chuck. People need to see it to believe it.
Good discussion of stop and frisk here. Key sentence:
"In a January 2018 op-ed in the National Review, conservative writer Kyle Smith said that the steep decline in New York City's crime rate since the reduction in the use of stop-and-frisk had shown him that he was wrong about stop-and-frisk; Smith had earlier argued that reducing stop-and-frisk would increase the crime rate."
Support for stop and frisk is not evidence based.
Support for stop and frisk is not evidence based.
Says Fox Butterfield.
Inga’s a Christian even after continuing to bear false witness against Carter Page?
Bloomberg should survive this. After all, Governor Blackface is still governor of Virginia
TJM: "Inga’s a Christian even after continuing to bear false witness against Carter Page?"
After the election she even called all Trump voters traitors.
But yeah, she still smears Page as a traitorous russian spy even though we have definitive evidence proving otherwise.
But lefties gotta lefty.
The stats are correct. That doesn't mean "Stop and Frisk" is constitutional. As another commenter noted, "Stop and Frisk" should not be conflated with the Broken Windows policy.
Daily Beast headline seen: Bloomberg Hovers Over Primary Like A Ghost
A very white ghost.
Uh oh, this might be inconvenient for Mayor Mike and other LLRs:
Poll Finds Bloomberg Trailing Among Young Black Males He’s Already Thrown In Prison
A quick look at leftist Twitter shows that the left is not only (validly) against the policy, they are also outraged at the crime stats. That's why they cannot come up with a valid and constitutional alternative to Stop and Frisk. They refuse to admit the basic facts are true, so how can they possibly address the problem? Their idea of fairness is letting dangerous criminals go free without bail.
Btw, earlier this morning in NH, after a Boston Herald reporter asked him why he was leaving NH, Joe Biden responded that he wasnt leaving....even as he was leaving!
It was a perfect LLR-lefty Chuck-like response!
If you want to know why Biden is collapsing, a major reason is that there is a crew of NeverTrump republicans who have been working directly with Biden, including LLR-lefty Chuck-approved Kasich!
LOL
LLR-lefty Chuck hardest hit.
Alright, Greg.
You believe all that.
A good reason to get somebody out of the car: bloodshot eyes.
But you go right on believing.
You know it's a good thread when Achilles makes the most sense.
That's exactly it Drago. It has nothing to do with the fact that the Biden family trust fund sponsored by evil foreign corrupt fossil fuels was exposed during impeachment. yeah it's really surprising to me that he is falling given how sharp and alert he seems on the campaign trail and in debates so you're right it's the LLR infiltration that has scuttled Joe's bandwagon.
Responding to Tina Trent: "Who might shoot him it's not the police" Agreed. That is the point I was trying to make. If you were the parent of a 17 year old boy, who is a member of the extremely vulnerable population, you might welcome the police doing what they can to take guns off the street, and to discourage young men from carrying guns.
Howard: "That's exactly it Drago."
Thank you Howard.
You wrote some other stuff too but I didnt get to all that.
Meade I am laughing at that headline. Is it a real headline? You see why it is so funny, right? Cam convicted felons vote in NY? I don’t even need to look that one up because Trump is going to lose NY by 10 or 20 points in 2020. He lost it in 2016; that was when he was still a New Yorker and before he told NY to piss up a rope and moved to Florida. Flee the jurisdiction, perhaps.
And finally there is this; how many “young black males” are there, “who were thrown in prison” by, uh, Mayor Bloomberg? Thrown in after a trial in a borough of New York City? Probably a plea deal in 80% or so of the cases. All of them put together, and presuming that they turn out to vote 100% instead of the more likely 15%, would constitute about 0.00001% of the New York electorate.
Again; in a state that Trump will lose in a one-state electoral landslide.
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/empire-actor-jussie-smollett-indicted-special-prosecutor-chicago/story?id=68918453
ARM’s position is that OJ, Nixon, and John Dillinger weren’t guilty because they weren’t convicted.
Blogger Howard said...
You know it's a good thread when Achilles makes the most sense.
And it is not even close.
A clear assertion of guilt was made. Unless some conviction exists to support that assertion it remains an unfounded assertion. It's not complicated.
Statistical inference is the head and tail of social progress.
ARM: "A clear assertion of guilt was made. Unless some conviction exists to support that assertion it remains an unfounded assertion"
It's as if the hoax impeachment with continuing democrat claims of crimes never happened at all.
Joe Biden responded that he wasnt leaving....even as he was leaving!
"Governor Muskie, you have been accused of being wishy washy. Is that true?"
"Well, yes and no".
LLR-lefty Chuck: " I don’t even need to look that one up because Trump is going to lose NY by 10 or 20 points in 2020. He lost it in 2016;"
It's unfortunate that Trump, and Trump alone, out of all republican candidates since 1984, lost NY.
I wonder what it was about Trump, uniquely, as a republican, that put NY out of his reach?
We may never know that answer.......
ARM: "A clear assertion of guilt was made. Unless some conviction exists to support that assertion it remains an unfounded assertion"
Is now a bad time to bring up how the entire democrat party and their LLR-lefty lap poodles are still claiming Trump colluded with Russia?
Unless some conviction exists to support that assertion it remains an unfounded assertion. It's not complicated.
The OJ rule.
“After the election she even called all Trump voters traitors.”
Why do you lie? As the weeks and months go by Drago’s comments are becoming more bizarre. I wonder what is causing this?
The only person here more obsessed with Trump than Chuck is Drago. Everything, and I mean everything, is Trump related when it comes to Drago.
How is “Stop, QUESTION, and Frisk” obviously unconstitutional? Police didn’t frisk everyone they stopped. And they didn’t just stop minorities. Bloomberg’s assertions were obviously hyperbole, but allowing for that, he was telling an unpleasant truth.
OJ was convicted of a crime and spent time in jail - false equivalence.
Thanks for chucksplaining the joke for me.
As I recall, Inga spent a significant amount of the post-2016 election time claiming that most conservatives on Althouse were russian puppets and/or bots or something.
It was really quite something.
Inga now asserts (now that she needs to rewrite history) that none of that is true! Why, she never called anyone a traitor or a spy!!
Well, once again, here's the test:
Inga, Carter Page. Russian spy or no?
We'll wait..................(LOL)........
“You know it's a good thread when Achilles makes the most sense.”...Howard
“And it is not even close”.... ARM
Indeed.
ARM: "The only person here more obsessed with Trump than Chuck is Drago. Everything, and I mean everything, is Trump related when it comes to Drago."
I must confess that I ordered a burger yesterday without mayo, and wouldn't you know it? Mayo.
Well.
I think that just proves that particular employee was severely biased against Trump.
I better get double tomatoes on my tuscan sandwich tomorrow or a call goes right in to the RNC!
I think Inga missed my question.
Let's try again, shall we?
Inga, Carter Page. Russian spy or no?
Achilles: I heard nothing but demands for more police, more arrests of drug dealers, longer sentences for crackheads, the entire time I worked in majority-minority communities in the 80's and 90's. Decent people were enslaved by violent crime. Their lives and property values were destroyed by it. It was only elite and corrupt white and black leftists in academia, politics, and the media -- the Fox Butterfields -- who denied these realities.
Commenter: look it up yourself.
Broken Windows and Stop and Frisk did arise from the same crime fighting philosophy: stopping more serious crimes by enforcing the law before the shooting starts. Stop and Frisk broke the backs of the gangs. It put the most prolific offenders behind bars. We now know that a small pool of prolific recidivists commit the vast majority of violent crime. S&F removed those people, broke the gang pipelines, and was so effective that even after it was stopped, neighborhoods were innoculated against violent crime for several years because the bad guys had already been stopped by it. That's why the stats didn't rise immediately. Kyle Smith should stick to writing movie reviews.
Violent incidents are rising dramatically since "criminal justice reform" took hold, and property crime is through the roof since January 1. I hope everyone gets the receiving end of the policies they deserve.
Does anyone know what the dem/LLR-lefty GoFundMe for Soleimani is up to now?
ACHILLES versus TRUMP:
ACHILLES: It better not be reversed. Stop and Frisk was and is a bullshit policy that is absolutely unconstitutional.
TRUMP: I would do stop-and-frisk. I think you have to. We did it in New York, it worked incredibly well and you have to be proactive and, you know, you really help people sort of change their mind automatically... You understand, you have to have, in my opinion, I see what's going on here, I see what's going on in Chicago, I think stop-and-frisk. In New York City it was so incredible, the way it worked. Now, we had a very good mayor, but New York City was incredible, the way that worked, so I think that could be one step you could do.
>>The officer has as long as it should take the write the ticket. And if the officer does drag it out, and something comes up, hello suppressed evidence.
As far as I know, there is no such standard. And you can't "suppress" a warrant. It's an order from a judge to pick somebody up. If you come into contact with someone with an outstanding warrant, you have to pick them up. Period.
Of course, it takes a bit to validate that the warrant is still outstanding. In my experience, you will be told "Oh, I took care of that. Suuuuuuuure you did. Here are some nice handcuffs for you to wear while you sit in the back of my police car.
>> Stop and Frisk was and is a bullshit policy that is absolutely unconstitutional.
It's perfectly constitutional, under specific circumstances. Go read the specific scenario of Terry v Ohio. Then tell me the officer had no right to stop and frisk the three guys he observed.
clap for teh chuckman
and monstrous hypocrisy
drink Tears of Anguish
“We did it in New York.”
Lmfao. Trump claiming “we” did stop and frisk.
I think I figured out one of the more subtle reasons LLR-lefty Chuck is so adoring of Biden.
Today, in the middle of the fight of his political life, he ran away.
Running away from a political fight is LLR-lefty Chuck's raison d'etre.
>>So I guess I come down on the side of "it's better that those kids kill each other, than that the gov't be given this power
Those aren't the only two choices.
And lots of innocents get killed/wounded in the crossfire.
Find the repeat violent offenders, and lock them up for a long time. That works.
Gangs don't have a lot of grandfathers as members.
LLR-lefty and racist commenter Chuck: "Lmfao. Trump claiming “we” did stop and frisk."
That's right Chuck.
Trump had nothing to do with Bloombergs racist Bull Connor policies.
It was all Boss Bloomberg...and no one else.
well cutting your losses is smart, but doing it the day of the primary, is awkward,
I think Boss Bloomberg should do a campaign stop with Gov Blackface.
>Running away from a political fight is LLR-lefty Chuck's raison d'etre.
I think that's only partially correct. Chuck is here to toss stink bombs, distract, and make any conversation about Trump's latest "outrage". THEN he runs away.
I'm 100% convinced he's getting paid to do this. Althouse has called him out on his behavior, and rightfully so.
now the theory was james q Wilson's 'broken windows' that enforcement on a sporadic level would have success, it can be poorly done as in Baltimore with mayor carcetti,
“We did it in New York.”
Lmfao. Trump claiming “we” did stop and frisk.
Yeah, because absolutely nobody else uses the pronoun "we" when talking to someone about something that happened/was done somewhere else while they lived there.
I've never heard anyone ever say "we get hot weather here in the summer's" or "we spent all that money on a train to nowhere instead of fixing the roads".
PLEASE stop attacking other commenters by name. It’s unreadable and pointless. You are creating a situation where I will need to spend my time figuring what to delete. If you think that’s okay, you are not a good faith commenter!
ARM confirms my reductio
“ A clear assertion of guilt was made. Unless some conviction exists to support that assertion it remains an unfounded assertion. It's not complicated.”
So it’s unfounded to say OJ killed his wife, Nixon was part of the cover up, or Dillinger robbed banks. Got it.
Danger in the shade of something brown
Mayor mini-Mike was throwin’ down
No-one knows who they are or what they’re doin’
But they know this type is ripe for friskin’
white part of the city
white part of the city
Packin’ heat and lookin' gritty
white part of the city
“PLEASE stop attacking other commenters by name.”
Does “chucksplaining” count?
This blog does not support subthreads, which is your choice, and the only practicable way to conduct a discussion in a busy thread is often to use a name. If someone is disagreeing with my position I would prefer they indicate it is me they are disputing. It is often unclear otherwise.
Still waiting, Chuck. It isn't my homework, it was yours, and the dog seems to have eaten it.
Althouse,
I have a legitimate question about using names. Is it ok to direct a comment to another commenter, as I did with you, so long as there is no personal "attack" involved, as here? Thanks in advance.
Chuck wrote:
"Lmfao. Trump claiming “we” did stop and frisk."
Remind me, Chuck, when Trump was mayor of New York?
Follow on to Birkel's question. Is “Fuck off, Ken B” an acceptable comment? Birkel leaves it quite often. I have no objection and do not want his creativity curtailed (it is after all one of his best efforts).
These kids were born into absolutely horrid situations with no guidance from fathers. Anyone in this situation would naturally gravitate towards a tribal/gang system for protection. They were put in shitty schools where the teachers/administrators were apathetic at best and rampantly cheating test scores. They walk to school with their heads down and their eyes up because they hear gunfire and see shootings happen.
These are explanations and not excuses. Not every child who has this life turns to crime and violence.
And now you want police throwing them up against the wall? Pull them over in the white part of the city?
No. I want them to grow up in loving two parent families while they go to schools in a safe environment. But what I want doesn't matter. We have to deal with what is. We have to restore the family. 75% of Black kids and 25% of White kids are growing up without a father in the home. How? I really don't know. I do know that as along as young males are allowed to act irresponsibly when it comes to sex, they will. Right or wrong, they will. Today irresponsible sexual behavior is celebrated instead of condemned. We need to fix the schools. But that is going to mean dealing with unpleasant facts that we are currently unwilling to acknowledge. Most Black kids go to schools overseen by Black school boards, run by Black administrators, and staffed by Black teachers. The problem isn't White racism. If we fix the first two problems, the third will fix itself.
Chuck,
Bloomberg doesn’t stand a chance against Trump in Michigan. Too many auto union workers who also own guns and hunt. Maybe in Huntington Woods or Pleasant Ridge or Royal Oak or some other lily white liberal town may that nonsense you spewed be true, but for the rest of the state (including Macomb County, which pulled Trump over the finish line in 2016), no way on earth.
Trump wins the state 54-46 if Bloomberg is the nominee. You heard it first.
OJ was convicted of a crime and spent time in jail - false equivalence.
Weak, even for you. Appears to have worked, minimally.
Right, Yancey Ward. Trump was never mayor. Although Trump said glowing things about the mayor of New York. Trump said those things in 2016.
Yeah, really; why would Trump claim that “we” enacted stop and frisk? It was something that he clearly supported. Trump says so much weird, linguistically-off things, it is hard to keep track of them all.
I wonder if Mr. Bloomberg is right. According to FBI stats, African-Americans commit about 55% of all violent crimes in the United States. African-Americans are about 12.5% of the overall population. In New York City, African-Americans make 25% of the population. So, if non-Blacks commit crimes at, more or less, the same rate inside and outside of New York City and if Blacks commit crimes at, more or less, the same rate inside and outside of New York City, then Blacks are responsible for only 74% of violent crime in New York City. Not 90%.
well it's be about 12% of the total, if one counted things up that way,
Racist fopdoodles might claim "we" won the big game against Ohio State - once every decade - even though Xim is not on the team.
FullMoon
Weak
If you think that arguing that OJ is guilty is a strong, logical or relevant argument for or against the guilt of the central park five, I personally offer to start a GoFundMe page to pay for you to attend a course in logic at your local community college.
Lots of people on the right support stop and frisk, Chuck. Support for stop and frisk isn't really the thing that is getting Bloomberg in trouble, and you know it. You said Trump has said similar things to the Bloomberg audio, and I asked you to support that assertion, and all you managed to come up with is Trump supporting stop and frisk. Stop and frisk wasn't the only thing, or even the major thing, in that audio clip- it was why and how it was applied that is getting Bloomberg in hot water, and I don't see Trump saying anything like that anywhere as I did your homework for you.
Farmer:
Where in that article did you get the possible collapse of the CCP?
I posted the clip.
Maybe this will satisfy you. I doubt it.
hen the true scale of the epidemic finally became clear, Chinese public opinion reflected a predictable mix of anger, anxiety, and despair. People took to the Internet to vent their rage and frustration. But it did not take long for the state to crack down, severely limiting the ability of journalists and concerned citizens to share information about the crisis.
Then, on February 3, after Xi had chaired the Standing Committee’s second meeting on the epidemic, the CPC’s propaganda apparatus was ordered to “guide public opinion and strengthen information control.” In practice, this means that cutting-edge AI and big-data technologies are being used to monitor the entirety of Chinese public opinion online. The controlocracy is now running at full throttle, with facial-, image-, and voice-recognition algorithms being used to anticipate and suppress any potential criticism of the government, and to squelch all “unofficial” information about the epidemic.
I didn't say it is a done deal but it might affect them seriously. I know that conflicts with your doom theory.
You said Trump has said similar things to the Bloomberg audio, and I asked you to support that assertion, and all you managed to come up with is Trump supporting stop and frisk.
Trump is not running for the Democrat nomination. The general election might be quite a bit different.
Personally, I always had no strong objections to stop and frisk.
Indeed, nowhere else in these comments pages was I arguing for or against stop and frisk. The one other place where I betrayed any personal viewpoint of my own was where I called Judge Scheindlein’s Opinion and Order “dubious.”
My objection to Trump today was not based on any big policy dispute. It was entirely based on Trump’s crazed, demented, idiotic, sociopathic incoherence. Here’s a lovely little summarizing Tweet from Eric Columbus just an hour ago:
Eric Columbus
@EricColumbus
1h
A brief summary of Trump on Bloomberg's stop-and-frisk policies:
1. It was good! (2013, 2016)
2. It was racist! (2/11/20 morning)
3. He [Bloomberg]shouldn't have apologized! (2/11/20 afternoon)
In case you missed it this afternoon, Trump criticized Bloomberg for having apologized for his own role in operating stop and frisk policies in New York. Calling Bloomberg “weak” for doing so. wtf.
If you think that arguing that OJ is guilty is a strong, logical or relevant argument for or against the guilt of the central park five, I personally offer to start a GoFundMe page to pay for you to attend a course in logic at your local community college.
Nah, that won't work still weak... kinda Ritmo like argument..
Trump managed to bring attention to Mayor Bloomberg's problems with the Democratic electorate.
Racist fopdoodles are unable to see the advantages.
Blind hatred makes you blind to your own foolishness.
Was mini-Mike not prepared for this eventual frontal assault on stop and frisk? Surely he must have bought protection from Rev.Sharpton & Rev Jackson? His mealy mouthed apologies and tepid response team is pretty underwhelming.
It's silly and could happen to anyone, but this is perfect as a rim-shot to the whole Democrat Iowa caucus debacle.
https://pjmedia.com/election/iowa-cock-up-continues-as-sign-at-democratic-party-press-conference-commits-suicide/
"1. It was good! (2013, 2016)
2. It was racist! (2/11/20 morning)
3. He [Bloomberg]shouldn't have apologized! (2/11/20 afternoon)"
Seems reasonable to me. Most people probably agreed with all that at those times. Which part did you disagree with?
FullMoon is now apparently arguing that the guilt or innocence of O.J. should be incorporated into any discussion of the guilt or innocence of the central park five. He is appears to be drawing his support for this argument from the field of Physics, specifically the concept of entanglement. While some have derided this idea as "spooky action at a distance" FullMoon apparently believes than entanglement through the quality of blackness can help us know the truth regarding the central park five.
Yet still they are not convicted.
Trump wins the state 54-46 if Bloomberg is the nominee. You heard it first.
Lil' Chuckie is the expert in Michigan elections because he was a "Republican" election judge who made sure that Democrats over-voted (e.g., 115% for Obama in 2012). Sgt. Chuckie Schultz saw nothing, absolutely nothing wrong.
However, Trump will kick Bloomberg's ass in Michigan and other states where people care about the freedom to own guns and the freedom to eat what they want to eat.
It could be worse. He could have taken out full-page ads and demanded the state-executed murder of four young black Americans after they'd already been acquitted of raping a woman in Central Park.
"Awkward: Liz Warren Interrupts People Eating in a Diner—Who Clearly Want Her to Leave Them Alone"
https://pjmedia.com/election/awkward-liz-warren-interrupts-people-eating-in-a-diner-who-clearly-want-her-to-leave-them-alone/
Watching that makes makes me feel sorry for her even though she likely hates everything about me.
"kinda Ritmo like argument.."
PLEASE stop attacking other commenters by name. It’s unreadable and pointless. You are creating a situation where I will need to spend my time figuring what to delete. If you think that’s okay, you are not a good faith commenter!
Thank you, Ms. Althouse. I have to agree.
It's not a violation unless he said "Schmendrick".
Thank you, Ms. Althouse. I have to agree.
Hold on a dang second, do you know the infamous "R" person?
“1. It was good! (2013, 2016)
2. It was racist! (2/11/20 morning)
3. He [Bloomberg]shouldn't have apologized! (2/11/20 afternoon)"
Seems reasonable to me. Most people probably agreed with all that at those times. Which part did you disagree with?”
The part that showed him to be someone who changes his mind mid sentence, depending on if he forgot what he said a few years ago #1 and then is reminded of it by someone. Then pretends he didn’t say #2, by saying #3. Very reasonable.
Trump drags Bloomberg into a situation Bloomberg would want to avoid.
Clever Leftist Democratics cannot figure out why that makes political sense.
Trump will be 2-0 after tonight's voting.
So will Bernie.
You'd think non-bloggers would have more respect for the bloggers who host their graffiti.
But apparently not - it's like that's the entire point.
Sort of like how Trump has no respect for the office he occupies but knows that he doesn't really deserve.
Nope. Might have worked a couple of years ago...you know, around the time you were exposed as racist towards Chinese people and lost control and began cussin' at commenters.
I am personally too dignified to engage in such behavior.
In case anyone is confused, the correct spelling of the name of the Federal District Judge who ruled that Stop and Frisk was unconstitutional is Judge (Shira) Scheindlin. Not to be confused with Judge (Judy) Sheindlin. Carry on.
A racist cussing at Chinese people?
I didn't realize you disapproved of that.
But at least you vote for a guy that you think is less dignified.... even than you!
HA hahahaha.
Results > Dignity
Somebody on the Left should pretend to care that actual people are prospering.
Somebody on the Left should pretend to care that actual people are prospering.
They cannot. More people working creates more cars on the road, creates more carbon emissions accelerates climate change, we all die.
I know Jeff Bezos is prospering. And Tim Cook.
How much of Apple's or Amazon's tens of billions in 2019 was your hero able to tax? Or is he that afraid of, you know, real businessmen.. being a fake businessman and all.
My portfolio continues to expand quite nicely.
I'm sorry that offends you.
It's important to work more to pay off all the costs of your home being burnt in a fire.
Interesting that someone from California would be in favor of whatever gets more fires burning down more properties over there. But that's the right-wing for you.
So does mine. As it did through much of the pre-Trump phase of the Obama recovery as well.
Not sure how this came down to a "my money's better than your money!" match... other than for the fact that your hero wants to do this on the backs of everyone paying the bill for America's debt and the future generations forced to live through his many other abominations.
Can you point me to your trenchant analysis of Obama's ZIRP, NIRP, and $10,000,000,000,000 of added debt?
I would love to read it.
It's not rocket science. Debt is kind of easier to avoid in good economic times than when you're taking over the Great Republican 2008 Recession. And yet, Trump figured out a way to get annual deficits all the way back up to over $1 trillion. (Or as you might put it, $1,000,000,000,000). More than twice what Obama reduced them to.
It's interesting that you feel your position can be argued so easily to rational people, when all it really amounts to is "Republicans and no one else should get away with doing whatever to the American people that they want." It's funny that you find this to be a convincing and persuasive position to hold.
No, that is a convenient lie that you have absorbed.
The year over year debt of Obama was over a trillion each year.
It was roughly $1,250,000,000,000 per year in added debt.
But $750 billion was off the books spending.
Yes, that is the same number of dollars as the stimulus.
But since that was "one time" spending it was not counted as deficit - only debt.
That's why no budgets were passed under Obama.
No budget and the money stays off the books.
Pass a budget and that spending goes onto the books.
You absorbed a lie.
The people who told you that lie are, by definition, liars.
And you support their lying to you.
The only lies being told here are the lies you're telling yourself, and implying to everyone else:
Lie #1: The 2008 - 2016 debt wasn't caused by revenue reductions caused by the Great Republican Recession.
Lie #2: Republicans had a good reason for increasing the annual deficit of less than $500 b in 2015 every year thereafter to over $ ONE TRILLION by 2019.
You don't get points for the fact that it's a Republican doing it.
And you don't get points for increasing deficit-spending as the economy continues to improve. In fact, it's just that much more irresponsible.
Most people understand that you lose money in lean times and make more of it as fortunes improve. So it's not like they give Republicans a pass for growing and bloating deficits more and more each year since 2016. It's like whether you see a difference in a billionaire asking for help vs. a pauper doing the same.
Ironic, given how many times Trump has bankrupted himself and screwed his own creditors. Only this time, the creditors are the American people at large.
Being a Republican means coming up with worse lies every time. And never being able to learn.
Money is not a voodoo doll. You don't make things better by worshiping it.
As Michael Kinsley said a gaffe is when a politician accidentally talks the truth. There I said it.
Ann Althouse said...
If Bloomberg sounds like Trump, that’s a problem for Bloomberg
But I don’t know where Trump ever singled out black people like that and Trump isn’t associated with the effort to deprive people of their guns.
If you live in the most dangerous part of town, you might want a gun for sel-defense. To target this population for gun possession crimes was Bloomberg’s strategy. How is that like Trump?
Yes, I understand what you are positing. But I am not engaged in any normal electoral choice in this matter. I don’t much like any Democrats, on policy grounds. There aren’t any Democrats that I like, or who I hope will be successful in enacting policy.
Rather, I am searching for (a) the least-offensive Dem with (b) the best chance to beat Trump.
If Mitt Romney or Joe Walsh or Bill Weld or any one of a several recent midwestern Republican governors was the Republican nominee, I’d feel differently.
Down goes TP Shoe! Down goes TP Shoe! A thundering punch to the ovaries sends ze to the canvas!
More lies from a peanut gallery throwing member of the fact-free crowd.
You really should learn about baseline budgeting and the 1974 Budget Reconciliation Act.
But it's ok, nobody but me knows how wrong you are.
You really should learn about baseline budgeting and the 1974 Budget Reconciliation Act.
But it's ok, nobody but me knows how wrong you are.
I know. And also realize the futility of any attempt at educating they.
They once claimed housing crisis was caused by poor people buying homes with credit cards.
They is only about trolling, arguing and insults . Oh, and SCIENCE
There's a reason I talk about year over year debt increase: it is less manipulable than are deficits. That tricky baseline budgeting with off the books spending, required by the 1974 Budget Act, means Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi were able to spend the one-time Stimulus every year of Obama's presidency.
500BN on the books - the reported deficit
750BN off the books
1.25TR increase in debt each year
10TR debt increase over 8 years
I can lead a Leftist Collectivist to water.
But I cannot think for Xim.
Has Trump increased the deficit year-over-year since 2016 or not and what is the current deficit, Carnac the Magnificent?
Do your own homework
You're still focused on deficit.
But year over year debt increases are down from Obama's.
What else have you?
Sounds like you're still focused on pretending that the Great Republican Recession could have been a debt-neutral enterprise.
When Republicans destroy revenue as they did in 1929 and 2008, debt has to go up. No two ways about it.
Given that irrefutable fact, Obama increased the debt by 74% - the fifth largest increase for an administration. IN first place, FDR. I don't think anyone believes FDR left America in worse shape than the country he inherited.
In 2nd through 4th places, Woodrow Wilson (who fought a major war), Ronald Reagan (who didn't fight a war or a major recession) and GWB (who ignored intelligence briefings until al Qaeda flew airplanes into the WTC and then decided to fight an optional war at tremendous cost while decreasing revenue further).
Republicans seem to choose to pile on to the debt and decrease revenue while Democrats turn economies around from the shitshows that Republican predecessors give to them. Pretty big difference there.
In any event, guess who's increased debt 25% by the end of his first term, despite promising to eliminate debt? That's right - DJT. And without any major war or economic crisis to contend with.
So it looks like his 25% growth in the debt is just a completely optional thing. Something he just wanted to do. While decreasing insurance rolls and other services.
That's quite a feat, wouldn't you say? Interesting priorities.
https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296
One time spending was extended across all eight years of Obama's presidency by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, who did not pass a budget.
And there you go complaining about the previous president.
Your ignorance is impenetrable because you wish it so.
You stomped your feet and clenched your fists like a baby because you said that the proper metric, of total debt increases, was the only thing that mattered. So I supplied that metric and compared it administration to administration. And yet, you still can't provide a reason for why the Orange King - who said he'd eliminate debt - can't manage to stop it increasing by 25% during his own administration! That's pretty poor performance. You simply can't defend his $5 trillion dollar, 25% increase in the debt, can you? What was the good reason for doing that? To make Jeff Bezos and Tim Cook more billions than they already have and preventing the billions in profit posted by their companies from slowing down our increases or reversing our debt?
Everyone knows that Obama's bipartisan expenditures slowed and stopped the severity of the recession that W. left him.
You can't address or acknowledge that, so like the ADHD-riddled Republican that you are, you shift the goalposts to some irrelevancy having to do with whether a budget was actually passed into law. Or whether spending was done once and extended across entire administrations. Well duh, the whole point of the link was to compare total administration spending. Perhaps that's why you're distressed - you know that comparisons of entire administrations make Trump's look like a fiscal basket case.
This is why no one cares about you. You're as dishonest and easily distracted as a psychopathic president who's so addicted to drama that he needs the sympathy of impeachment to stay relevant enough for more than 45% of the voting public to give a shit about him.
Pretty sad. But then, so are you.
It could be worse, he could be profiling race (i.e. color judgment).
98% of shootings in NYC are by non-whites. How can you not notice that.
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