February 10, 2020

Is it too late even to try to understand Joe Biden's calling a woman a "lying dog-faced pony soldier," or is this nothing but an absurd epitaph on a dead political campaign?



ADDED: Here's my reaction, and I have not looked at much of the commentary. I think Biden believes he's lovable, and he can kid in a silly way and people will know it's all in good fun. I don't know why he thinks he can swing around so freely when he's trying to gain the deep trust needed to be President, but I don't know why anyone pushing 80 thinks he can be President or why a grown man in politics thinks he can nuzzle and sniff at the hair of young girls other than to think he thinks he's Joe and everybody knows Joe. Joe is Joe.

That's all just pretty crazy but not all that different from Trump's confident barreling ahead, being himself. Maybe that just works. Many people get it. Some people. The only question is are there enough people who connect with that sort of thing. For Trump, there are. For Biden, maybe not, but what other path is there for Biden? Come on, people, get him — understand him the way he wants to be understood — as a fully competent, experienced politician who knows how to have fun with you lying dog-faced pony soldiers.

The only thing I'll add to that is I have and will have a special problem with "dog-faced" until Roseanne Barr is uncanceled. The greatest female comedian of all time was banished from her #1 TV show — had it snatched away and her brilliant character killed even after the actress was booted out — for the sin of comparing a woman to an animal. I was just looking at Joaquin Phoenix's Oscar speech, where he said, "I think that’s when we’re at our best: when we support each other. Not when we cancel each other out for our past mistakes."

BONUS: "Dog-faced" has its own entry in the (unlinkable) OED. The examples go back to 1607:
1607 E. Topsell Hist. Foure-footed Beastes 11 He describeth them to be blacke haird, Dog-faced, and like little men.
1663 J. Mayne tr. Lucian Part of Lucian 272 That ugly, Dogg faced Aegyptian...
2002 Vanity Fair (N.Y.) Oct. 332/1 Degas was not exaggerating when he revealed his dancers to have been a depressingly dog-faced bunch.
Here's that Vanity Fair article about Degas's unpleasant-looking ballerinas. Excerpt:

By the time Degas turned his attention to it, French ballet could hardly be considered an art form. This played into the artist’s hands. There were no great dancers to speak of... no great beauties. On the contrary, photographs confirm that Degas was not exaggerating when he revealed his dancers to have been a depressingly dog-faced bunch.... What he enjoyed was deploying dancers in choreographic patterns of his own contrivance. Ballet had sunk to the level of kitschy interludes in operas—interludes that allowed bored operagoers enticing glimpses of women’s usually concealed legs....

[Degas] wanted to portray his “little monkey girls” under stress, “cracking their joints” at the barre, as he said, their youthful spirits crushed, their muscles in agony, their feet raw and bleeding. Degas—a misogynist in a misogynistic society—equated dancers with animals, particularly the racehorses whose musculature he had painted so lovingly in earlier years. He confessed later in life, “I have perhaps too often considered woman as an animal,” and he told the painter Georges Jeanniot, “Women can never forgive me; they hate me, they can feel that I am disarming them. I show them without their coquetry, in the state of animals cleaning themselves.”...

Degas’s sexuality, or lack of it, has always been a bit of a mystery.... Van Gogh, whose work Degas admired and collected, came up with an explanation which tells us more about himself than Degas, but is nonetheless revealing. He put Degas’s “trouble having an erection” down to fears that sex might diminish his creative urge: “Degas lives like a little notary and does not love women because he knows that if he … spent a lot of time kissing them he would become mentally ill and inept.… Degas’s painting is vigorously masculine.… He looks at the human animals who are stronger than he is and [they] are kissing each other … and he paints them well, precisely because he himself is not at all pretentious about having erections.”

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John henry said...

Un poco would certainly work anywher in the world.

Not sure why I used Menudo. Perhaps trying to be a bit informal. Ditto enfogona.

"Mi pana" is local slang for my buddy here.

I wonder what woul happen if I called someone my breadfruit in Chile?

Any Chileans here?

John Henry

narciso said...

it works better as a measure of time, a menudo, did I hear cortez's other sister, cruz yarin, was vacationing in cuba last month,

D.D. Driver said...

I may be alone, but this makes me like Joe just a little bit. Not enough to actually vote for him. But, watching the video its clear (to me) that Joe thinks he is delivering a good natured ribbing. He wasn't actually trying to insult anyone. I love it when Biden gets weird with his Corn Pops and Pony Soldiers.

Trump versus Biden would be loads of fun for those of us who treat politics as entertainment. Is it too much to ask for a Biden comeback?

M Jordan said...

I still remember Joe Biden grinning and leering throughout his debate with a paul Ryan ... and somehow winning the damn thing (Ryan was really exposed to me then.) Biden is a strange breed, a guy who says and does one cringe-inducing thing after another and somehow comes out a winner. Like Michael on The Office, sort of.

Well, at least until now. The jig is finally up with Joe.

bagoh20 said...

There is plenty I dislike about Biden, but C'mon man! He was just joking around. I like the joking around from him. It's when he's serious that he irks me.

Churchy LaFemme: said...

There is plenty I dislike about Biden, but C'mon man! He was just joking around.

OK, sure, but he belongs to the party which has made "joking around" pretty dangerous for most of us in the workplace. I won't give him a pass untill we get ours back.

Joanne Jacobs said...

My family nickname was "JoJo." My father used to call me "JoJo the Dog-Faced Girl." He explained it was a takeoff on P.T. Barnum's famous freak, JoJo the Dog-Faced Boy." In my family, we were all expected to be able to take a joke. I've found it very useful in life.

I became the first woman on the San Jose Mercury News editorial board when I was 26, and an op-ed columnist at 28. Lots of people attacked me, sometimes in very personal ways. I realized that it's not worth my time and energy to care about the rantings of idiots. We dog-faced girls aren't triggered that easily.

FullMoon said...

I became the first woman on the San Jose Mercury News editorial board when I was 26, and an op-ed columnist at 28. Lots of people attacked me, sometimes in very personal ways. I realized that it's not worth my time and energy to care about the rantings of idiots. We dog-faced girls aren't triggered that easily.

Not me. You were first thing I read.
Well, after automobiles for sale, Auto parts and accessories, and mini ads.

Paper is mighty thin since the internet, Craigslist murdered the want ads.

FullMoon said...

I still remember Joe Biden grinning and leering throughout his debate with a paul Ryan

That was very peculiar. I thought then , and still believe,he was on drugs .

Megaera said...

I always had the uneasy feeling the Dems were running Joe as a stalking horse for the person they REALLY wanted, his VP pick, whoever that might be. Sort of a win-win for them: if he got the nom he could name anyone (including Hillary). If he managed to get elected, of course, he wouldn't last long, and she could then enter into her rightful kingdom. Remember that trial balloon they floated against Trump, his alleged "mental disability"? That never made sense to me in Trump's context, but if you consider their efforts as just trying to normalize an argument for displacing a president for mental issues and transfer it to a clearly struggling Biden, it makes a bit more sense. Forward thinking, as you might say.

Maillard Reactionary said...

Saint Croix: "You can't go to the Pete Buttigieg website unless you first give his campaign your e-mail address and your zip code."

That's because Petey is a fish-faced enemy of the people, as Max Bialystock might have it.

n.n said...

Darkisland:

la cabrona

c. bitch (vulgar)
(feminine)
Dile a esa cabrona que me las va a pagar.Tell that bitch that she's going to pay.

- spanishdict.com

Scott M said...

That's because Petey is a fish-faced enemy of the people, as Max Bialystock might have it.

"Can I take your hats and your coats and your swastikas?"

"We just came a from a big rally. Everyone was wearing them."

Bilwick said...

Shouldn't this kind of insult be left to Elizabeth Warren? "Pony soldier speak with forked tongue . . ."

fleg9bo said...

There was a western, about three boys from texas; and it had a song that went:

Three boys rode from texas, ridin' off to war...

Any one remember it?


Four for Texas?

Drago said...

Admiral Inga: "My daughter is a Navy Chief and a Democrat, is she unpatriotic?"

Carter Page: Naval Academy Graduate, Naval Intelligence officer, worked as a CIA asset to bring 2 actual Russian spies to justice.

Inga calls him a traitor to this very day.

Michael Flynn: 33 year Marine career, including multiple tours as major unit commander in combat; Setup by Comey/McCabe and crew and his family threatened.

Inga calls him a traitor to this very day.

walter said...

Menudo?
What tripe!

320Busdriver said...

I have no use for a grifter like Biden. It turns out he made nearly every person in his extended family rich because of the positions he held in government. I have no use for any pol who does this. And they are legion. They can all get cancer and die.

Laslo Spatula said...

When I lived in the Central Valley in CA, in a long-ago previous life, I picked up the SJMN for two reasons: sports and Joanne Jacobs.

And no, it wasn't me that sent those letters.

I am Laslo.

Ken B said...

So much attention to pony soldier, or dog faced. Too little to lying. He was trying to dodge the question, so he countered with a question: had she been to a caucus. She surprised him with yes, destroying his ploy. Lying dog faced pony soldier was the result. She is a liar. I incline to Althouse’s reading, but notice that it was his way of deflecting the question, like his other attacks on questioners that he calls liars.

Chick said...

Oh my

Ken B said...

Inga
No daughter should be held responsible for her mother.

Ann Althouse said...

“ There is a theory at Instapundit as to where Joe Biden got his unfortunate reference from.”

That’s consistent with the article my son linked to. The line IS NOt in that movie.

Chick said...

Will someone contact Joe and request 1968 Chicago Convention references; the 1950's movie stuff is not relevant and is taxing my wasted youth.

tim in vermont said...

Well it wasn’t the movie The Trail Beyond, which featured some truly comical stage combat and some awesome (in the original sense of the word) horsemanship. Every once in a while it’s good to watch a really bad movie because you can see all of the parts working. I think whoever created Snidely Whiplash had seen it.

Paul Ciotti said...

The girl asked a gotcha question. I think she was lying about having attended a caucus herself. Under the circumstances, dog faced pony soldier was one of the nicer things Biden might have said.

Michael K said...

FullMoon said...
I still remember Joe Biden grinning and leering throughout his debate with a paul Ryan

That was very peculiar. I thought then , and still believe,he was on drugs .


I watched that and wondered why Ryan didn't turn to him and ask if he was alright. I guess the answer was that the fix was in.

BUMBLE BEE said...

Megaera... you're catching on! Now try to ID the guy behind the curtain!

BUMBLE BEE said...

Old Joe is workin that diminished capacity line pretty hard.

Howard said...

John Henry: Growing up in Los Angeles, Mexico, pinchy always proceeded cabron. Usually heard this most often on job sites directed at a tool that just bit him. Frustration acceptance expressed as "ay cabron"the

Howard said...

Heinlick Rimmler.

Paul said...

FullMoon said...

"My daughter is a Navy Chief and a Democrat, is she unpatriotic?"

No, just not so bright.

Christopher said...

There's a comment or two above suggesting she thought it was funny or at least was not offended, but this Daily Mail piece quote her as feeling insulted.

Student, 21, says she was insulted by Joe Biden when he called her a 'lying dog-faced pony soldier' after asking about his poor Iowa results and says it shows how badly his campaign is going

She dishes it out pretty good. Adds that if she knew she'd end up on national TV, she would have put makeup on and looked cuter.

Churchy LaFemme: said...

Well it wasn’t the movie The Trail Beyond, which featured some truly comical stage combat and some awesome (in the original sense of the word) horsemanship. Every once in a while it’s good to watch a really bad movie because you can see all of the parts working. I think whoever created Snidely Whiplash had seen it.

Jay Ward. Though Snidely's voice was the brilliant Hans Conried.

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