Made me think of this great song:
Ooh, and it's alright and it's coming on
We gotta get right back to where we started from
Love is good, love can be strong
We gotta get right back to where we started from
NOTICED AFTER PUBLISHING: The science story is about crows and the singer is named Nightingale. I love accidental rhymes like that. And love is good, love can be strong... and who's to say when you've "boned... too much..."?
NOW: You might wonder, Althouse, if you're reminded of a "get back" song, why isn't it "Get Back" by The Beatles, which is much more within your zone of familiarity? The easy answer is that the headline has "where they started," so that's much closer to Nightingale's song. But I'm going to quote some "Get Back" lyrics because there's a bird in the song:
Sweet Loretta Martin thought she was a womanSee the bird?
But she was another man
All the girls around her say she's got it coming
But she gets it while she can
Get back, get back, get back to where you once belonged...
Get back, Loretta
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Once you go crow,
you never say, "No".
GREAT song. Memories of being in my dad's car on frigid mornings waiting for the school bus.
I've boned a chicken. Never a crow.
I hated disco at the time, but with time as a buffer, it's pretty delightful.
I mainly know that song as the theme from "Wife Swap."
It's great to read about speciation in crows, knowing that it never happens with human beings.
Cue the Meadhouse jokes about "Wife Swap"
I thought that was a Captain and Tennille song
Same thing happened to the “Baltimore Oriole.” One of the great lines was from Sports Illustrated where they said that the species lost its standing on “a morals charge."
Or they weren't different species, just different populations. Once the natural barrier was removed, the two populations intermixed again. As you would expect.
The article seems to be ... clickbait. Yes, clickbait.
Caption: "The two species may actually be the same."
If they can and do interbreed, yup, by one useful definition of "species".
The definitions of, and dividing lines between, species and subspecies are not sharply, or even unanimously, defined for some animals.
All taxonomy is political. If there is an advantage to defining them as a unique species, for example to blame the loss of the one species on “climate change,” then they are different species. If they are just being wiped out by wind turbines? They they are just a population.
Back in the 1990s once a year thousands of crows would gather together unannounced, fly in circles a thousand feet in the air, land in the parking lot of the Natick Mall, hang out for a day or two, then disband. It was creepy, like they were plotting an invasion.
I try to give crows a wide berth...
My Favorite Mistake, Sheryl Crow and Eric Clapton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC6dhOOuyPU
I've boned a chicken. Never a crow.
I've deboned a chicken...
Bird is a word.
It's great to read about speciation in crows, knowing that it never happens with human beings.
We'd be at two human species - liberal and conservative - but for those darned Conways (and Carville and Matalin)!
Back when Charles Darwin first proposed his concept of evolution, Alfred Russel Wallace realized that a favorable mutation would be swamped by cross breeding within the larger population.
I've deboned a chicken...
I did that next.
On the Disco backlash of the late 70's:
"In January 1979, rock critic Robert Christgau argued that homophobia, and most likely racism, were reasons behind the backlash, a conclusion seconded by John Rockwell. Craig Werner wrote: "The Anti-disco movement represented an unholy alliance of funkateers and feminists, progressives and puritans, rockers and reactionaries. Nonetheless, the attacks on disco gave respectable voice to the ugliest kinds of unacknowledged racism, sexism and homophobia."
LOL! And here you thought it was just mindless fun music.
When I lived near a big lake, the crows would all gather together in winter in a big flock and then fly over to the other side. We're talking hundreds. I assume it was a safety in numbers thing. Although, I often wondered what the crows on the other side thought about them coming over.
"Or they weren't different species, just different populations. Once the natural barrier was removed, the two populations intermixed again. As you would expect."
The subtext of course concerns humanity.
If humans are a continuum between Australopithecines (possibly) and modern residents of Cal Tech - I certainly would not assume that they would not be interfertile ... what other useful distinctions are possible?
If it is possible to arbitrarily rule species together it is possible to rule them apart.
Is this what Homo sapiens sapiens did with neanderthals in Europe and Asia after the diaspora?
It's a good thing monkeys aren't sexier.
“ I hated disco at the time, but with time as a buffer, it's pretty delightful”
The wrong people liked it.
I liked disco. I enjoyed Blondie. So kill me.
People went out to dance then.
Girls all over the place, and most of them pretty and fit and trying to look sexy.
That may be the last time in western culture when that was a mass phenomenon.
They dont really do that anymore. From what I have seen, fat and pasty is much more the norm. Dancing as a normal routine for the population is gone.
OH now it's bird "populations." Lol.
My birding book still calls them "races."
"Is this what Homo sapiens sapiens did with neanderthals in Europe and Asia after the diaspora?"
Not just Neandertals. And not just in Europe and Asia.
the entire topic seems birdbrained.
"Sweet Loretta Fatso thought she was a cleaner, but she was a frying pan." -John Lennon
Actually, the "crow" song for the Beatles would be "Blackbird."
It's a good thing monkeys aren't sexier.
Amen, brother!
But the birds haven’t let their differences stop them from intermingling and boning
I find the usuage of the term "boning" a little pointless. I mean, I understand why a site like Gizmodo would want to inject a little purile humor into the headline of an article about crow population genetics I suppose. But the use of "boning" within the text of the article itself rather than "interbreeding" seems unecessary. But whatever.
Speaking about speciation itself, it always bothered me that there isn't really a hard and fast rule for when two seperated populations officially become two different species rather than simply a "subspecies" or "race" or "breed" or "strain". If interbreeding still produces viable (meaning fertile) offspring, they can still be considered two seperate species. And things that aren't even withing the same genus can on occassion interbreed and produce viable offspring.
Blondie - Heart of Glass
Thinking about it, Blondie, Deborah Harry, was something of a geek.
There was something goofy and unpolished about the whole band, and its image.
They liked hiding behind irony.
I bet Bob Boyd has never met a snub nosed monkey that he didn't like.
Oooo!
Consider this - Basques have a breeding problem. Rh-negative blood type is typical here. If a Basque woman with Rh negative blood carries an Rh positive baby by a (probably) non-Basque father she is likely to miscarry.
My sister had this problem, but there are treatments for that now.
So we lot are not entirely interfertile with you lot.
And when it comes to the Homo genus, it can get even more confusing sorting out where one species begins. It seems like every few years there's some bones found in a cave somewhere and suddenly there's a whole new homo species. And interbreeding between Neanderthals, Denisovans, modern humans, and probably other groups makes things even more muddled.
It seems like every few years there's some bones found in a cave somewhere and suddenly there's a whole new homo species.
Somebody was going around boning homos in caves a long time ago? Weird.
Ghost population Humans in Ancient Africa
That song was also the theme of the greatest sports film of all time; Slap Shot.
Great song, great movie.
Michael is accurate here. I did a search for "slap" and boom, there it was. Kudos.
But what about the gay slur(s)? And why think of Paul when Ryan is in the hospital needing some MAGA prayers?
I think the bird you posted is a Purple Martin.
"Reggie Dunlop:
You better get re-married soon, or he is going to have a cock in his mouth faster than you can say Jack Robinson.
Anita McCambridge:
How dare you."
- https://www.quotes.net/movies/slap_shot_10497
Excellent song and Nightingale had more to offer than just being a one-hit wonder.
So evolution is not linear and processes can reverse and there is no such thing as a pure exemplar if any species. Once you get past Gizmodo’s fixation on boning, that’s the gist of the study, right? So one of the basic features of the theory of evolution is wrong? Species might merge with other species? They weren’t killed by global warming?
Interesting when you get past the dumb ass headline.
A freemartin or free-martin (sometimes martin heifer) is an infertile female mammal with masculinized behavior and non-functioning ovaries ... Externally, the animal appears female, but various aspects of female reproductive development are altered due to acquisition of anti-Müllerian hormone from the male twin
Speaking of getting boned, Judge Amy Berman Jackson refused to delay sentencing for Roger Stone today, despite the clear and self-professed jury misconduct, so it will happen on Thursday. The appeals case will be lit!
So evolution is not linear and processes can reverse
No, nothing reversed; the last state isn't the same as any previous state.
and there is no such thing as a pure exemplar if any species.
Has anyone ("reputable") ever claimed there is such a thing?
Disco became anathema when it seemed to crowd out everything else on the airwaves.
Checked the Billboard top 100. Here's the top 20:
"Billboard Hot 100".
1. My Sharona - The Knack
2. Bad Girls - Donna Summer
3. Le Freak - Chic
4. Da Ya Think I'm Sexy? - Rod Stewart
5. Reunited - Peaches and Herb
6. I Will Survive - Gloria Gaynor
7. Hot Stuff - Donna Summer
8. Y.M.C.A. - Village People
9. Ring My Bell - Anita Ward
10. Sad Eyes - Robert John
11. Too Much Heaven - The Bee Gees
12. MacArthur Park - Donna Summer
13. When You're In Love With a Beautiful Woman - Dr. Hook
14. Makin' It - David Naughton
15. Fire - Pointer Sisters
16. Tragedy - The Bee Gees
17. A Little More Love - Olivia Newton-John
18. Heart of Glass - Blondie
19. What a Fool Believes - The Doobie Brothers
20. Good Times - Chic
I think 5 of the top 10 were disco hits, or by disco artists, with another four in the second 10. I suspect the radio stations I listened to in Charlotte, N.C., emphasized the disco songs more.
Still, it's nice to see the variety up there. Doobie Bros alongside Blondie and the Pointer Sisters. With My Sharona kicking off the New Wave future.
"The science story is about crows and the singer is named Nightingale. I love accidental rhymes like that."
Not a rhyme. More like synchronicity, a word I learned from The Police, one of my favorite bands of all time.
Just listened to "Makin' It" by David Naughton. Add that to the disco list.
I suspect the radio stations I listened to in Charlotte, N.C., emphasized the disco songs more.
What was the rock station there that would play Free Bird at least once a night for years? WKZL or the other one? 93.7?
"It's a good thing monkeys aren't sexier.”
Is it?
Crows like to gather for protection against their main predator, owls. Seagulls sleep for 15 seconds at a time, so there are always members of the flock with eyes open, kind of like the mythical Argus sent by Juno to watch over Io.
"She's just like a penguin in bondage yoww
Way over on the wet side of the bed."
Narr
Disco Sucks!
Reviewing that depressing Top 20, one can see why the Peeps were reaching for the Bolivian Marching Powder...
an infertile female mammal with masculinized behavior and non-functioning ovaries ... Externally, the animal appears female, but various aspects of female reproductive development are altered due to acquisition of anti-Müllerian hormone
good description of the typical male leftwinger...
Still, it's nice to see the variety up there. Doobie Bros alongside Blondie and the Pointer Sisters. With My Sharona kicking off the New Wave future.
Really? Blondie was New Wave years before that: "X Offender", "Rip Her To Shreds", "Kung Fu Girls". They had already moved on by the time The Knack showed up.
BTW: The most tragically ignored New Wave group was "The Swimming Pool Qs". Those guys shoulda been huge!
Disco staggered on a bit after 1979- "Funky Town", "Upside Down", and "Celebration" were all big #1 hits in 1980, with a handful of other recognizably disco songs getting to the top 10, but "Celebration" by Kool and the Gang is what I consider to be the last disco hit on the Hot 100.
I liked the music from the disco era- I was 12 in 1978, and that was the year I first really started listening to music on the radio.
I think the bird you posted is a Purple Martin.
You are correct, sir!
Purple martin (Progne subis)
Call (hardly a Nightingale)
We don't have nightingales in North America, so we aren't poetic about their songs. Personally, my favorite European songbird is the Common blackbird; its song is sweeter and more restful to my ears than the assertive nightingale's call. When Paul McCartney wrote the lyric Blackbird singing in the dead of night, he was thinking of this creature. Notice its familiar shape. Much like our American robin, no? There's a good reason why. They are both members of the same genus, kissing cousins at it were.
Iman said.... Reviewing that depressing Top 20, one can see why the Peeps were reaching for the Bolivian Marching Powder...
...and Quuaaludes
I love crows. They are sacred animals, like coyotes and border collies. Awesomely intelligent, with complex cognitive skills. Tricksters, very mischievous. Fact: if they like you, they will bring you gifts. Small shiny objects, e.g., leaving them on your windowsill. I've seen it.
I'm with you roughcoat. When we lived in a redwood rainforest the crows would fly around in between the tops of the trees in some sort of complicated dance and sing to their hearts content. I loved to sit on the porch kick back and look up into the sky and dream of how fun it must be to be able to Bob and weave up there.
"Boned a chicken."
We don't judge. Just don't scare the horses.
synchronicity
Blackbird singing in the dead of night
Take these broken wings and learn to fly
All your life
You were only waiting for this moment to arise
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