January 30, 2020

"If Uncle Joe has to win millennial and Gen-Z hearts and minds — after riding to the nomination on the back of a wall-to-wall anti-Bernie ad blitz from Third Way and friends — his task may be impossible."

"Although Sanders’s 2016 backers did not sit out (or defect) during the general election in aberrantly high numbers, the age gap between Biden and Bernie backers this year is even larger than the one that prevailed between Clinton and the Vermont senator four years ago. One recent Emerson College poll found that only 53 percent of Sanders’s current supporters plan to vote for the Democratic nominee in November, no matter who that person turns out to be.... [I]f the Democratic Party’s incumbent elites united to take down the (supposedly) unelectable socialist, they would risk rendering Biden unelectable in the process, and there’s little rational basis for them to take such a gamble. Yes, Sanders has become a real contender in recent weeks, but Biden is still the front-runner. And the available polling suggests that if this race ever becomes a two-man contest between the leading septuagenarians, the former vice-president won’t have much trouble assembling a plurality of delegates... [I]t would be irrational for centrist Democrats to launch an 'Anyone But Bernie' campaign — unless they include Donald Trump in the 'Anyone' category."

From "The Bernie Campaign Is Fortified by a Human Shield of Millennials" (NY Magazine).

Is this a clever pro-Bernie con? Do not fight him, for in doing so, you will destroy yourself.

177 comments:

rehajm said...

One recent Emerson College poll found that only 53 percent of Sanders’s current supporters plan to vote for the Democratic nominee in November, no matter who that person turns out to be

That’s the most interesting statistic I’ve seen this decade. It says so much...

tim in vermont said...

Dems are what is called in Chess “pinned” or maybe even “forked."

tim in vermont said...

Calling him “Uncle Joe” is a clever way of appealing to Bernie’s base though.

Limited blogger said...

The dems lose no matter who gets the nomination.

So throw Bernie out there to get slaughtered, but further soften up America's resistance to the idea of electing a socialist.

It's the way the dems 'move the window' as they have done on so many topics.

Ryan said...

Maybe you need a Bernie is Like Trump tag?

rehajm said...

Calling him “Uncle Joe” is a clever way of appealing to Bernie’s base though.

My thought as well. Does anyone call him that without preceding it with ‘creepy’?

AustinRoth said...

I have wondered why, given they unlikelyhood of beating Trump, the Democrats don’t just appease Bernie And his supporters and let him be the sacrificial lamb.

I believe now it is due mainly to down-ballot coattail concerns for the House and Senate contests. Biden would do much better for them, perhaps better than any other current candidate. sanders would be very problematic.

Bob Boyd said...

I don't think it's a con. I've been thinking for a few days that the more the Dem machine tries to get rid of Bernie, the stronger he'll get.
The Dems have a real trust problem with voters...and why wouldn't they?

tcrosse said...

I believe now it is due mainly to down-ballot coattail concerns for the House and Senate contests

Their forlorn hope is to flip the Senate so that Trump can't appoint any more Justices to the Supreme Court or Judges to the Federal bench. The impeachment farrago shows that they have already conceded the Presidential election to Trump.

Charlie said...

I'm thinking now that Trump may win all 50 states.

Bob Boyd said...

Bernie vs Trump. Ha! It would be Stalin vs Hitler.

The irony is, Hillary talked both of them into running in 2016. She thought Trump would turn into Ross Perot and Bernie could provide the illusion of a primary race so it didn't look like Hillary's coronation. Hillary and her myrmidons at the DNC created two monsters.

Bay Area Guy said...

Bernie is not a socialist - he is a democratic socialist, dammit!

(Not sure what the distinction is)

Bernie is not a Democrat - is an Independent Democrat, dammit!

(Not sure what the distinction is)

Fernandinande said...

I thought "Uncle Joe" = Stalin.

wild chicken said...

But, Bernie's so consistent!

Chuck said...

“Bernie is their guy but Trump is their backup.”

Bob Boyd said...

What's the difference between a socialist and a democratic socialist?

The sheep suit.

dustbunny said...

Scott Adams calls it a poison pill strategy. Bernie supporters saying if he doesn’t get the nomination they’ll vote for Trump.

Kevin said...

The problem the Democrats have is their voters take their rhetoric seriously.

This is coming as a shock to those in control of the party.

Big Mike said...

@Althouse, “clever” and “pro-Bernie” do not belong in the same sentence, much less adjacent.

Lurker21 said...

If somebody on Biden's team is smart - a big if - they will let one of the other remaining candidates do the heavy lifting for them. That could be Bloomberg, with deep pockets that are bigger than he is himself. Then Bloomberg faces a similar problem to Biden's. Not that he'll get the nomination, but he wants liberal America to love him as the Trumpslayer, not revile him as the 4th and richest Koch brother.

If Joe goes negative, it will create problems for voters. Cognitive dissonance. Biden's the grandfatherly guy who'd rather tell long, rambling stories about his days as a lifeguard than attack other Democrats. If his people are blitzing the airways with attack videos directed at Bernie, voters may not know how to reconcile the man and his campaign's message in their minds, and Biden may not be able to back up his attacks in the debates.

I wonder what Edmund Morris, Reagan's biographer, is thinking now. Morris made Reagan's days as a lifeguard the key to his personality and career - Ron's Rosebud - because he couldn't figure out any other way to write the book. Now there's a politician who can't stop talking about his time at the pool and Morris has already wasted the lifeguard thing on Reagan.

Bob Boyd said...

Prediction: Biden will say something like, Bernie would make a very good Vice President.

joshbraid said...

"Bernie is not a socialist - he is a democratic socialist, dammit!"

In the last campaign, Bernie was called an "international socialist". He responded that he is a "national socialist". Quite a bind--to Godwin or not.

Unknown said...

Bernie == McGovern

Mainstream ignore him now

Let's see how his plans look once spotlighted for real

Paul Zrimsek said...

Although Sanders’s 2016 backers did not sit out (or defect) during the general election in aberrantly high numbers

No, they sat out in the usual high numbers. This year, they'll do it again. Trying to win the hearts and minds of people who don't vote is a waste of time.

Unknown said...

The South and blacks have not gone for Burny in the past

Unknown said...

Twitter should have its own president

Burnie would win President of twitter for sure, the loudest love him

Hillary won president of NY and CA

tcrosse said...

Biden and Bernie are the crazy uncles at the wedding. Hillary is Banquo's ghost.

Darrell said...

Corn Pop could tell you about Uncle Joe Biden, if he still breathed God's sweet air.

Bay Area Guy said...

There is a parallel dynamic between Trump blowing up the GOP establishment in 2016, and Bernie on the cusp of blowing up the Democrat establishment in 2020.

But the fall-out might be differentl. In my view, Trump's blow up made the GOP better by rousting out some of the country-club elites and embracing blue collar workers.

Too early to tell what happens to the Dems if Bernie and his socialist, Antifa, Bros take over the party.

gilbar said...

Paul Zrimsek said...
No, they sat out in the usual high numbers. This year, they'll do it again.


Doubtful
If you want a driver's license, you're registered to vote.
If, when the polls close; there is no record of you having voted....
The Vote Harvesters will stop by your house, and have you vote.
OR, making it simpler For Everyone; they'll just mark you down as a democrat vote

Democrats have been saying, For Years, that "we need to increase voter turnout" ...
Thanx to Vote Harvesting® turnouts will EXCEED 100%!

tim in vermont said...

“Bernie is their guy but Trump is their backup.”

Maybe they are as sick of the self serving kleptocracy the uniparty has been running as Trump supporters are.

LYNNDH said...

Biden/Bernie Ticket! That will get all the votes, right?

DarkHelmet said...

FTA: [I]t would be irrational for centrist Democrats to launch an 'Anyone But Bernie' campaign — unless they include Donald Trump in the 'Anyone' category."

If the 'centrist' Democrats were actually centrist they would indeed prefer Trump to Sanders. Trump is a lot closer to the political center than nasty old communist Bernie.

In particular, somebody like Michael Bloomberg should clearly prefer Donald Trump to Bernie Sanders. And regardless of what he says on the campaign trail, in the secrecy of the voting booth I wonder if Bloomberg might actually vote for Trump is Bernie is the D candidate. Or Maybe Bloomie will go independent in that event.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Also interesting: 25% of Trump’s crowd in NJ were registered D and another 10% are voters who sat out 2016. What’s happening in the Senate is the last gasp of the Deep State war on Trump, because he’s about to break up the D coalition as new populist Trump voters.

DarkHelmet said...

"Biden/Bernie Ticket! That will get all the votes, right"

That's what we call a balanced ticket. The senile idiot and the life-long communist idiot.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

millionahs and Billionahs.

madAsHell said...

Uncle Joe at the Shady Rest Hotel.

Mark O said...

Bernie has become the ogre Sticky-hair.

Sebastian said...

"only 53 percent of Sanders’s current supporters plan to vote for the Democratic nominee in November, no matter who that person turns out to be"

Good. And considering that Bernie himself is not a Democrat, that makes sense.

Mark O said...

Bernie has become the ogre Sticky-hair.

JAORE said...

only 53 percent of Sanders’s current supporters plan to vote for the Democratic nominee in November, no matter who that person turns out to be

Ahhh the if-we-can't-kill-the proles-we'll-stay-home voting segment.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

It’s not an empty threat. Socialists were likely decisive in denying the Democratic Party the White House in 1968, 1980, 2000, and 2016. Isn’t it clear they prefer Republicans like Nixon, Reagan, Bush II, and Trump to centrist Democrats?

traditionalguy said...

Bernie is getting mad now. You called Biden "Uncle Joe."And all Communists worship Uncle Joe, the Gulag filler, Stalin. That nick name of right belongs to Bernie. Ask his thug campaign workers.

Lucid-Ideas said...

Biden will not be the nominee.

Drago said...

Bernie might just be the guy to handle the economic conditions that LLR-lefty Chuck passionately believes exists today in the US.

LLR-lefty Chuck, just yesterday, adamantly insisted that the current US economic outlook is precisely the same as the Soviet Union right before the fall of the communist nation!!!!

LOL

I will repeat: LLR-lefty Chuck, just yesterday, vehemently asserted the US economy is in EXACTLY the same position as the Soviet Union right before the Soviet Union fall.

If you want to see abject desperation on the part of the democrats, look no further than that accusation.

But lets for just a moment assume that our lunatic LLR-lefty Chuck is correct, that the US is no better off than the former Soviet Union (I know I know, try not to laugh. LLR-lefty Chuck also believes Adam Schiff-ty may be the smartest lawyer to ever walk the halls of Congress as well!).

Well then, the last thing you'd want is a leader like Bernie who would not be the right guy to lead the new LLR-lefty Chuck defined "Soviet America" thru its transition into a post-communist era.

Rae said...

I have every confidence that the DNC will shut Bernie out again.
He's not a member of a the Democratic party. They owe him nothing.
The question is whether the DNC will pick Biden or Warren.

Narr said...

In 2016 I actually voted in the D primary here, for Bernie (or "BS" as I call him). It was entirely intended to get the old Red goofball more attention-- I thought then, and still think, a good robust far-left D candidate is the surest way to make that party as irrelevant
as Trump has made the other one.

Narr
Political parties are nothing more than legally recognized (in the USofA encouraged) criminal gangs

MeatPopscicle1234 said...

What if, per Biden&s own words, he nominates Michelle Obama as his VP, and then, per his own words, "dies" while in office... 2nd reign of the Obamas?

Francisco D said...

Socialists were likely decisive in denying the Democratic Party the White House in 1968, 1980, 2000, and 2016. Isn’t it clear they prefer Republicans like Nixon, Reagan, Bush II, and Trump to centrist Democrats?

Left Bank,

It is not clear to me. Do you have a theory behind that thought?

Also who are the "centrist" Democrats you mentioned?

Nonapod said...

At this point I think everyone senses what is coming, assuming they're being honest with themselves.

We all know there's no real enthusiasm behind Biden. His campaign appearances always seem staid and even desultory, punctuated with the occasional gaffe or angry outburst toward a questioner. He's fettered with a long history of corruption that has been slowly revealed despite the media's best efforts to obfuscate it. His age and his health are very real concerns too.

Conversely Bernie has lots of plenty of real enthusiam, but only from the youth. Black people and older white people by and large either distrust him or think his ideas are just too extreme and unrealistic.

Biden will be the nominee. And Biden will lose. Ultimately it's because hating Trump isn't enough.

Generally for a Democrat to beat a Republican incumbant there has to be serious problems that can be strongly linked to the incumbant. Things like an economic collapse, an all out war, or the like. So far we don't have problems of that scale. We have problems that are of the minor persistent sort (healthcare worries, young people worrying that they'll never be able to enjoy the kind of success their parents had, disagreements about immigration ect.). But other than that, generally things are objectively good.

Trump hatred is high, but believe it or not you don't have to like a person to vote for them. It's possible to think someone is a jerk but to also recognize that they're good at what they do.

Bay Area Guy said...

Bernie is a joke. He's been, essentially, hanging around Vermont for 50+ years not working, or producing anything of value.

The problem is, his high-fallutin' ideas are horrid when implemented. You get shortages, poverty, unrest, civil war, violence and oppression. See Venezuela. See North Korea.

But what about Sweden?!!? - the excitable young socialist asks. Well, Yes, in a small homogenous country, that didn't have the mettle to carry the world's fight to stop Nazism and to stop the Soviets, you can have a quaint little semi-socialist country like Sweden. Good on ya.

But that won't work here in a Consitutional Republic. You'll have to confiscate a lotta wealth, Bernie, not of the Billionaires, but of the middle class folks. We won't like it and will resist. No pussy hat phony resistance either.

MeatPopscicle1234 said...

I would caution against assuming that a Bernie nomination translates into an automatic win for Trump.

I know a *LOT* of nice, middle-of-the-road liberal / libertarian types who "heart" Bernie and would vote for him in the general. I mean, even Joe Rogan has drunk the Kool-Aid...

I also think that if Bernie gets the nomination, there will be a HUGE groundswell of enthusiasm from the Socialist / AOC types in the population... which includes large numbers of Millennials...

The youth vote is fickle, but effective, and could easily sway the election towards the avowed Communist, because the average young person is generally ignorant of history / facts / economics and is easily swayed emotionally by propaganda and sloganeering...

Drago said...

Nonapod: "We all know there's no real enthusiasm behind Biden. His campaign appearances always seem staid and even desultory, punctuated with the occasional gaffe or angry outburst toward a questioner."

"occasional"?

Hardly.

Make it daily, repeated, constant stream, unavoidable, gaffe-machine like, etc. And always followed by telling some voter to not vote for him.

Forgetting where he is, completely losing track of what he is saying, wandering about and turning his back on the crowds, mangling every comment and contradicting himself non-stop, inventing stories daily.

It's astonishing really.

Beasts of England said...

’I will repeat: LLR-lefty Chuck, just yesterday, vehemently asserted the US economy is in EXACTLY the same position as the Soviet Union right before the Soviet Union fall.’

I modeled the Soviet economy preceding its collapse, working directly with the IC using their humint data, and it was clear to me (as I included in my classified Report to Congress) there would soon be no CCCP. Only a retard would make such the referenced claim .

Iman said...

“From "The Bernie Campaign Is Fortified by a Human Shield of Millennials" (NY Magazine).“

The legendary Wall of Wuss.

Beasts of England said...

’It's astonishing really.’

He’s cracking under pressure; telling people to vote for someone else. He’s also getting up in their faces and touching them. He make throw a punch before his doomed candidacy ends!!

Drago said...

Iman: "The legendary Wall of Wuss."

Indeed.

"Least Masculine Society In Human History Decides Masculinity Is A Growing Threat"
https://babylonbee.com/news/least-masculine-society-in-human-history-decides-masculinity-is-a-growing-threat

Leland said...

I know several millennials that are Bernie Bros, but fortified is not a word I'd use to describe them.

Drago said...

Beasts: "He’s cracking under pressure; telling people to vote for someone else. He’s also getting up in their faces and touching them. He make throw a punch before his doomed candidacy ends!!"

So is LLR-lefty Chuck. Just yesterday LLR-lefty Chuck was regaling us with more stories of his "courage" and "verve" by claiming he wanted to get all up in Rand Paul's face and get very very vicious!!

LLR-lefty Chuck, long after choosing not to serve in our military (a tortured decision that he wrote a 10,000 word treatise about), suddenly LLR-lefty Chuck is some kind of alpha "warrior"!

LOL

Susan said...

Bernie is their guy but Trump is their backup.”

Maybe they are as sick of the self serving kleptocracy the uniparty has been running as Trump supporters are.

____

The only Bernie Bro I personally know told me that unless Bernie is the nominee he is voting for Trump. For exactly the reason that he is tired of the kleptocracy and Trump is shaking it all up. He said he was ashamed of having voted for Hillary after what the DNC did to Bernie. If they pull that again I'd bet he "Walks Away ".

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narciso said...



Throw out the wholebox of chocolates


https://mobile.twitter.com/MaxAbrahms/status/1222853826987921413

MadisonMan said...

I thought "Uncle Joe" = Stalin.

My exact reaction. Biden cannot be the nominee. There is no way someone so corrupt can be nominated. Did Democrats learn nothing from the Hillary!! debacle?

Yancey Ward said...

The DNC and the other candidates don't have to openly attack Sanders- he isn't going to be the nominee. With the current field, I am now leaning towards Biden actually winning the nomination, however, the recent moves in the DNC suggests to me that Shelob is getting ready to come out of her hidey hole.

Bay Area Guy said...

"I would caution against assuming that a Bernie nomination translates into an automatic win for Trump."

It's a fair point. If Bernie wins the nomination, every single member of the middle/professional class must donate money and time to defeat him. He and his young clueless socialist minions have to be bitch-slapped into submission.

Gotta push back on the socialist hordes.

Yancey Ward said...

And Sanders is the most important ingredient in a truly brokered convention, followed by Warren.

narciso said...

And a follow up


https://mobile.twitter.com/rudygiuliani/status/1222895727577161728?s=21

Beasts of England said...

’Just yesterday LLR-lefty Chuck was regaling us with more stories of his "courage" and "verve" by claiming he wanted to get all up in Rand Paul's face and get very very vicious!!’

Was it because of Eric Ciaramella? Or should I say the alleged whistleblower Eric Ciaramella? Or just Ciaramella?

Big Mike said...

It's possible to think someone is a jerk but to also recognize that they're good at what they do.

What Nonapod wrote bears repeating. Something we learn in high school sports is that you don't have to like someone to play on a team with them. If you think the quarterback is a jerk, you are still going to block for him, still going to catch the pass he throws your way. Initially, because if you don't then the coach will pull you off the field and send in someone who will. Later, you do it because that's how the team wins, and winning beats losing. Ditto throwing to the shortstop to get the double play -- doesn't matter if you don't like the shortstop, it only matters if you can get the double play.

And this is why women, on the whole, are still have a ways to go to catch up to men. We males cooperate whether we like each other or not. The evidence from female sports, and from my own experience, is that women won't cooperate if they don't like each other. Serious, serious flaw. How serious? In June 2017 a Navy destroyer was hit by a lumbering container ship, and the logs demonstrated that the female Officer of the Deck (OOD) did not speak at all with the female Tactical Action Officer while the ship was sailing in one of the most crowded waterways of the ocean. Seven sailors paid paid with their lives for the women's snit.

Bruce Hayden said...

“I also think that if Bernie gets the nomination, there will be a HUGE groundswell of enthusiasm from the Socialist / AOC types in the population... which includes large numbers of Millennials...”

“The youth vote is fickle, but effective, and could easily sway the election towards the avowed Communist, because the average young person is generally ignorant of history / facts / economics and is easily swayed emotionally by propaganda and sloganeering...”

The problem I see there is that Bernie might be able to gain ore votes in places that have a lot of woke (ie stupid) millennials like I my native CO, Silicon Valley NYC, but that would mostly just crank up the Dem margins of victory in those states. It is unlikely to do that in most of the Trump states, even some of the Blue Wall states that crumbled and went narrowly to Trump in 2016 like MI. On the flip side, Sanders seems to have almost zero black support, and not much more with other POC. Trump, of course, is working hard, in particular, to win Black voters, with some apparent success. Without an almost unanimous Black vote, the Dem candidate is likely toast in a lot of swing states, and would likely lose several swing states that Trump lost narrowly in 2016.

Which essentially suggests to me that Bernie’s best chance at winning would be to pick a POC as a running mate. Maybe best would be Michelle, but my bet is that she wouldn’t accept the nomination. The quasi blacks (Harris and Spartacus) who ran for the nomination are weak, and would be seen as such. I think that his best chance would be Tulsi. Despite her socialist credentials, she seems even better at exciting millennials than Crazy Bernie, is a POC, as well as a member of the military, and a combat veteran.

MD Greene said...

If the Democrats are so eager to run Biden, why do they want impeachment witnesses whose testimony would expose Hunter Biden, remind everyone of the family's Ukraine connections and re-elect Trump?

Is the goal to make Trump look bad or to replace him? It almost looks as if the Democratic party wants to keep hate alive for another four years.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Bernie Backers 'Bout to get Bum-Blasted Again!

Oh the seething hatred Bernie supporters must have felt, and still feel, towards the Dem party leadership (and most of the Media) for the transparent favoritism and outright cheating that crowned Hilldawg as the nominee. And now many of them are doing it again!

If it's any consolation, Bernie Bros and Broettes, lots of GOP base voters felt the same way about the choices we were made to back in 2008 and 2012. Part of the response to that--to having the party elites decide that this or that primary candidate was unsuitable and strongly backing their chosen candidate--was to back someone like Trump in spite of their disdain for him, effectively booting them from the positions of power they had taken.
What will you do when the Dem party leadership fucks Bernie over this time?

narciso said...

Just security buys any box of chocolates. Btw

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Boy, reading the comments here, it seems like a lot of people are pretty certain Trump has an easy path to victory in 2020.
I am...less certain!

MadTownGuy said...

Bay Area Guy said...

"Bernie is not a socialist - he is a democratic socialist, dammit!

(Not sure what the distinction is)
"

None. Socialism isn't democratic; it's uniparty.

narciso said...

But they cant reference sanders commisaars in iowa and south carolina, nor bidens graft, michelles sinecure makes for a good match.

Narr said...

It would be nice if people would quit slandering Sweden.

#1) It is not a pure socialist country by any means--it has the "socialist" features it does because it was and is one of the most competitive capitalist economies in Europe. Only rich countries can afford to play around with socialist ideas, and only so far.

#2) No country that counted on the United Nations side in WWII did a thing against Nazi Germany until Nazi Germany had attacked/declared war on them or their declared allies.
(The Latin American countries that, under US supervision, confiscated Axis-owned properties and imprisoned and deported [to the US] Axis-country citizens, of course count for nothing as they counted for nothing on the battlefield.)

Read that again, it is the truth and if you don't understand that, nothing you say about the neutrals like Sweden and Switzerland has any bearing on actual history and is easily rejected as ignorance.

Narr
Why didn't the Swiss and Swedes just throw themselves at the Nazis, like nobody else did?

Yancey Ward said...

"Boy, reading the comments here, it seems like a lot of people are pretty certain Trump has an easy path to victory in 2020.
I am...less certain!"


My main argument for it is that the economy isn't in recession, unemployment is very low, Trump is the incumbent, and Gary Johnson and the plethora of other right leaning candidates took 5% of the vote nationally in 2016 after getting 1% in 2012. I think those 3rd party candidates go back to 1% in 2020, and most of the 4% will accrue to Trump, not the Demcoratic candidate (who will get Stein's 1% from 2016 unless they openly screw Bernie over).

But, yes, don't take anything for granted- go vote.

bagoh20 said...

A Bernie vote is a purely emotional reason-free decision, and for the purely emotional voter Trump or Bernie is a toss up, so after Bernie gets robbed by the DNC just vote Trump, and for once in your life be part of the success rather than the resistance to it. The real revolution is with Trump. The whole world is finally learning the horrible lesson of collectivism. Get out of that long line of suckers. Bernie never ran anything, never built anything, and never even learned anything from his long life. How can he possibly do anything for you? What's he gonna do, get a ghost writer to write you a book of broken promises?

narciso said...

Indeed the griffith honor series, illustrates how pro axis argentina really was, switzerland took nazi gold and blocked jewish immigration

bagoh20 said...

Why Trump looks strong to me in 2020:

1) Trump is situated mostly like Reagan after his 1st term. He has been mocked and derided for four years while achieving substantial demonstrable success. This dynamic brings fair minded people to the side of the one being attacked while they are clearing doing right by the country.

3) Although I don't believe it is at all possible today, Reagan took 49 states in 1984 against Walter Mondale who was much more formidable and less radical than any of the Democrat candidates in 2020.

2) Trump will lose few if any voters from 2016. He's turned out better than expected, and is keeping promises. He's losing nobody, but gaining in every demographic and persuasion. Among what group is he less popular than in 2016?

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Achilles said...

If Bernie wants to win the nomination he will win it.

I am not convinced Bernie wants to lose a 45 state election to Trump and I don't think Bernie is stupid enough to think it would go any other way.

He obviously got paid off by Hillary and he has made comments that make it clear he has a deal already made with Biden.

The problem for Bernie is he is not in control of his movement anymore. They know they control the democrat party by numbers and energy and they feel their power.

They will move behind someone else if Bernie sells out again. The democrat party is going to split one way or another.

The globalist democrats and the excommunicated GOPe traitors/neocons have already formed their political faction. The Republicans are now a national populist party of the working class.

The true left is left out.

Sad Trombone.

Bruce Hayden said...

“The DNC and the other candidates don't have to openly attack Sanders- he isn't going to be the nominee. With the current field, I am now leaning towards Biden actually winning the nomination, however, the recent moves in the DNC suggests to me that Shelob is getting ready to come out of her hidey hole.”

That should prove extremely interesting. This maybe is the time to but popcorn futures.

She lost an election that she could have, and should have, won, because she was too stupid and too infirm, to campaign where she needed to and instead spent her time raising money from mega donors In states that she was going to win by large margins. As a result, the Democrats got the hated Darth Trump as President, who has turned over a lot of their apple carts, and gone a long way towards flipping the Judiciary to the Republicans. Is she really healthier this time around? Highly unlikely - her most likely maladies are all progressive, and she is four years older.

But maybe most fatal for her chances of beating Trump is the spat she has been engaging in, with Tulsi Gabbard, who can speak to Millennials, like Shelob can only dream of doing. The latest is that Tulsi has sued her for defamation, and Her Horribleness is currently dodging service of process. The first try was at her house, but Secret Service had been instructed to not let the process server get close enough to serve her, and they complied. Next try was serving her lawyers, and that apparently didn’t work either.

The other problem with Her Nastiness is that it is now personal with Trump. She had a big part behind the Dems and Deep State attacks on him, that continue to this day. She, through the DNC and her campaign, hired Fusion GPS and Christopher Steele, which ultimately resulted in Steele’s bogus Dossier being used as the basis of the illegal FISA warrants on Carter Page, and Trump’s campaign, transition, and Presidency, then the appointment of Mueller and his SC investigation. A lot of Trump’s base believe that that was cheating, on an unprecedented, epic, level. They would crawl across broken glass to prevent her from winning.

stlcdr said...

Every other sponsored ad on Reddit is for Bernie, it seems.

Achilles said...

AustinRoth said...
I have wondered why, given they unlikelyhood of beating Trump, the Democrats don’t just appease Bernie And his supporters and let him be the sacrificial lamb.

I believe now it is due mainly to down-ballot coattail concerns for the House and Senate contests. Biden would do much better for them, perhaps better than any other current candidate. sanders would be very problematic.



You do not seem to understand what this is about.

The globalists who call these shots do not respect elections. Look at the reaction to Trump being elected. Look at how they reacted to Brexit.

They own the media, the universities, the popular culture, and enough courts to make that a weapon.

They will undermine and destroy any institution they do not control. There are no sacrificial lambs. These people will not stop until they have all the power.

You will not stop them by beating them in elections.

Howard said...

That might all be true Achilles but it's a temporary condition. Generation z is just now becoming voting age thank you Trump supporters or mostly aging out of the gene pool.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

The democrat party sold its soul to Adam Schitt. Congenital liar Adam Schitt.

We shall see what kind of karma that yields.

narciso said...

well the globalists in the uk, were more for Corbyn then Johnson, it's not an exact parallel, although they both were fmr? trotskyites and east bloc pawns, Corbyn stb, whereas sanders was Sandinista, they thought warren could be the standin, but her star has faded, klobuchar, there aren't enough combs, harris was a favorite of the banking circles, as is buttigeg, so they are in a bit of a quandary, regardless whether it's warfarin or strychnine, we're talking poison to the body politic,

Drago said...

Howard: "That might all be true Achilles but it's a temporary condition. Generation z is just now becoming voting age thank you Trump supporters or mostly aging out of the gene pool.

Static analysis. Zero variable change. No accounting for uncertainties and probabilities.

All very algorithmic/formulaic with no accounting for incredible capacity of humans to adapt in unpredictable ways.

Let's say it reeks of French military analysis and strategy circa early 1939.

Drago said...

Howard writes as if he were an EU "visionary" prior to the 2016 Brexit vote.

Achilles said...

Yancey Ward said...
And Sanders is the most important ingredient in a truly brokered convention, followed by Warren.

These two are part of the same group. A waning group of Septuagenarians. This group is least likely to produce the nominee.

Bloomberg is going to be the 800 pound gorilla being ignored as long as possible over the next 3 months. But he will not be ignored and honestly has the best shot at this point.

Michelle, if she thinks she will win, can show up and ask for the nomination at any point and she would get it.

It would be interesting to be in the discussion at the DNC convention between team Obama and team Bloomberg over who is Pres and who is VP.

Team Obama has more ears on their clip.

Caligula said...

""Biden/Bernie Ticket! That will get all the votes, right"

Maybe, maybe not. But it would surely create an intense interest in whoever is Speaker of the House. And considering who the present Speaker is, perhaps the line of succession beyond that.

MeatPopscicle1234 said...

@Howard:

My experience is that GenZ'ers are in fact more likely to be pro-Trump than their Millennial counterparts... They also seem to be a bit more open-minded and roll their eyes at the shrieking SJW pogroms... teenagers typically rebel against the prevailing authority of the day telling them how to live their lives, which to our benefit, happens to be the current leftist zeitgeist.

Howard said...

What do you mean Drago those variables like the Communist indoctrination of all of the millennial and generation z students?

Howard said...

Morkoth:. I agree that generation z is less hung up on political correctness. However from what I have seen they are even more tolerant of race gender and sexuality issues that will prevent them from ever siding with a Trump style Republican candidate.

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TML said...

The Corbomite Maneuver

Iman said...

Did I just see Adam Schiff take a knee during the Pledge of Allegiance?

No... wait... my God man, you don’t do that on the floor of the Senate!!!

Achilles said...

Howard said...
That might all be true Achilles but it's a temporary condition. Generation z is just now becoming voting age thank you Trump supporters or mostly aging out of the gene pool.


You should know better than to think this is going to be decided by elections.

Gen Z'ers are not going to join the boomer globalists. Globalists just use socialists to get power they will not share. The Bernie bro's demand power. They are not friends and the leftist coalition is broken.

In the past the globalists just keep holding new recounts and elections until they get their way and they inserted key traitors in various parties like Theresa May and the Bushes.

But the traitors have been smoked out and the people all over the world on the left and on the right are throwing the globalist bums out.

This stupid impeachment is just the start. But it is opening up the eyes of everyone.

The Bernie bros know what it is like to get screwed. They will side with Trump against Chuck's globalists.

Everyone hates Chuck and everyone hates the globalists.

Because they are shitty people.

narciso said...

the globalists are rather relentless, the bankers are moving to proscribe lenders to firearms manufacturers, and mandating that public schools promote the lgbt curriculum, abomination must be not only tolerated, but promoted,

Achilles said...

Howard said...
Morkoth:. I agree that generation z is less hung up on political correctness. However from what I have seen they are even more tolerant of race gender and sexuality issues that will prevent them from ever siding with a Trump style Republican candidate.

Trump is the only person in DC that has supported gay marriage longer than I have. Your point makes no sense.

And it is becoming clear that the democrat party is losing their monolithic black vote.

This is partly because of the LGBT thing I believe but also because they are noticing that Trump is actually helping them while the democrats just use them.

The millennial are a bunch of rich white kids screeching about racism. Black people are starting to notice. They will not be in the same political movement.

And the run of the boomers is going to come to an end soon.

Drago said...

Howard: "What do you mean Drago those variables like the Communist indoctrination of all of the millennial and generation z students?"

Communist indoctrination, in the end, does not even work forever in communist countries.

Why do you think that is and what are the implications to your assessment?

narciso said...

he's kneeling to the insect overlords, lets show down this schrodinger's peach mint,

Iman said...

Rand Paul... denied again.

rehajm said...

...however, the recent moves in the DNC suggests to me that Shelob is getting ready to come out of her hidey hole...

I am no Mick, but the signs of the players taking their spots for her to happen have been there for months. The quantity of first wave candidates, the surprising quantity of second wave candidates (Deval!), the backstop billionaires 'in the race', the endless spring fawning to come over her Hulu special, her henchmen in power positions...sure looks like they are battle prepping for the not to surprising summer surprise...

Howard said...

Drago: well it's really not communist indoctrination, that's just a buzzword that wraps up all of the left-wing influence on education. I agree I don't see the US going commie but I don't see this newer generation getting on board with a political movement that has been labelled racist sexist and homophobic. Noticed I use the word labeled here. Perception trumps reality just like Trump Trump's reality and has been successful.

Also the other factor is as the younger generation keeps coming up the Midwest flyover country in the south has all of its top students drawn to the coastal elite zones where they get their liberal indoctrination before they go home again for the rest of their lives and spread that infection back to the host

Howard said...

I don't care how progressive Trump actually is, Achilles. The perception of trump is he is an enabler of homophobia sexism racism and also a supporter of polluters. Generation z is much more concerned about global warming than the millennials were much more concerned about it then genex who is much more concerned about it than the boomers.

bagoh20 said...

Biden/Bernie ?

They'll have to hire a suicidal food taster for the Metamucil.

Bruce Hayden said...

“However from what I have seen they are even more tolerant of race gender and sexuality issues that will prevent them from ever siding with a Trump style Republican candidate.”

Except that the supposed racial issues are almost all contrived. A large, and increasing, number of POC don’t believe that Trump is the least bit racist, and many of them seem headed in his direction. For a lot of Blacks, Hispanics, and other POC, Trump has given their communities the lowest level of unemployment in their lifetimes. In reality, he is the furthest thing from a racist, and that is becoming ever more obvious to these POC.

As for sexism, Trump brings his elder daughter along whenever he travels to confabs around the world, where she inevitably leads sessions on Women in business, empowering women, etc, after having successful created her own clothing line business. He not only talks the talk, he also walks the walk, when it comes to empowering women. Again his supposed sexism is completely contrived by his opponents.

That leaves sexuality. No evidence that he is homophobic. Rather he seems to just oppose the left’s recent obsession with transsexualism, which seems to be more a question of mental illness, than actual brain function (which is the basis of much, if not most, homosexuality - they are wired that way). Moreover, if you think about it rationally, you would realize that feminism and transsexualism, as practiced these days, are incompatible. Any one who honestly believes in both is probably suffering horrible cognitive dissonance. That is because women are the ones hurt most, in many cases by transsexualism. They are losing female sports, female safe spaces, like restrooms, etc. Even the safety of single sex prisons. Do any parents of daughters really want untransitioned transwomen hanging around the restrooms that their daughters frequent, or taking showers with them after gym class?

Beasts of England said...

Aren’t we about four decades into the left’s failed predictions that demographics are their destiny?

Drago said...

Howard, I would respectfully suggest there are significant and extremely complex social and political forces at work throughout the advanced western nations whose political impacts cannot be predicted with any degree of certainty.

And thats before taking black swan events into consideration.

Where was the rise of Trump/Brexit predicted? Populist movements in Poland, Hungary, Italy? The crushing of the southern EU members economies by the Brussels gang? Mass migration?

Have you seen what is happening in Sweden, Denmark, Finland in reaction to this mass migration?

There are so many pieces in motion that when I read anyone confidently applying outdated analysis lenses and templates to these movements I just have to laugh.

Achilles said...

Howard said...

Also the other factor is as the younger generation keeps coming up the Midwest flyover country in the south has all of its top students drawn to the coastal elite zones where they get their liberal indoctrination before they go home again for the rest of their lives and spread that infection back to the host


The central problem here for the left is part of that indoctrination proscribes the purchase of guns.

Our side buys lots of guns.

So that conflict has only one outcome.

But soon the advent of killer robots will make all of that moot. We have about 10 years to carry out the Butlerian Jihad.

Achilles said...

Howard said...
I don't care how progressive Trump actually is, Achilles. The perception of trump is he is an enabler of homophobia sexism racism and also a supporter of polluters. Generation z is much more concerned about global warming than the millennials were much more concerned about it then genex who is much more concerned about it than the boomers.

That is the other thing that is going away.

Bubbles are being popped faster than the people who own the media and the universities can create them.

Reality is winning over perception now. That is part of what 2016 and since was about.

Nobody out here really believes the global warming garbage. It is a house of cards that is collapsing.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Meanwhile, E Warren is traipsing into crazy Hillary territory.

@Wesley Mullins

"Imagine claiming concern about disinformation after making a tweet like the one below."

E Warren:

"5 years ago Michael Brown as MURDERED by a white police officer in Ferguson, MO. Michael was unarmed yet he was shot 6 times. I stand with activists and organizers who continue to fight for justice for Michael. We must confront systemic racism and police violence head on."

Michael brown reached into Darren Wilson's squad car and attempted to grab Mr. Wilson's gun. Michael Brown was asked repeatedly to stop and he did not. Instead he used his large size to continue to approach officer Wilson after he was asked repeatedly to stop. Micheal Brown was not shot in the back. 'hands up don't shoot' never happened. Michel Brown never said it, nor did he do it. Eric Holder's justice dept could not frame Daren Wilson - even they had to admit the truth. Michel Brown caused his own death by his very own actions.

Howard said...

Oh I think you're absolutely right Drago we're just shooting the shit here spitballing. I'm actually very optimistic about the future.

Yeah European migration has been handled very poorly. Unlike the United States where people can maintain their heritage yet integrate fully with the American culture and then eventually become a part of American culture is something that Europe has been unable to do. They tend to keep their migrants isolated and dependent which results in violence and low levels of assimilation

Beasts of England said...

’There are so many pieces in motion that when I read anyone confidently applying outdated analysis lenses and templates to these movements I just have to laugh.’

Fine point. It’s tough to perform the analyses when significant variables are unknowable; perhaps outweighing the highly dynamic status of the known elements.

Francisco D said...

The perception of trump is he is an enabler of homophobia sexism racism and also a supporter of polluters.

That is the perception of almost every Republican by people who slavishly believe the Democrat media. It has been going on for generations and you know it Howard.

America continues to outpace the world in reducing many if not all forms of pollution. It hasn't changed under Trump.

Racism is now primarily found in micro aggressions. Middle and lower class Blacks have benefitted more under Trump than any Administration in 50 years.

Trump is the first POTUS candidate to support gay rights while campaigning.

Trump's sexism is no different than that of most male Republicans and Democrats.

Howard said...

All that you say Bruce might be true however that is not the perception that is being sold and purchased in the marketplace of ideas.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

furthermore, the only witness who lied was Michael Brown's convenience store theft buddy. The rest of the witnesses all backed up the reality of what happened to Darrel Wilson.

Browns' convenience store theft buddy - who lied about what happened - the media used his lies for the disinformation campaign about Ferguson. Think on that.

The convenience store theft buddy was given a platform on Maddow.

and E WArren wants to stop disinformation. That's code for any news that doesn't fit the liar narrative of the leftwing machine.

The modern democrat party is a Schitt-hole.

narciso said...


http://invisibleserfscollar.com/prospection-training-the-mind-to-reject-the-pre-given-world-in-favor-of-what-might-be/

Iman said...




(King Trump)
(King Trump)
Now, if I’d known
They'd line up Adam Schiff,
I'd have voted twice
As my funky honky riff. (Funky Trump)
Schiff’s got googly eyes (King Trump)
Tellin’ only lies!
Born in Queens New York, (King Trump)
Makes ‘em look like dorks (King Trump)
how you get so funky? (Funky Trump)
Did you do the monkey?

Now, when I die,
Don't think I'm a chump,
Don't want no fancy headstone,
Just one says “Voted Trump” (King Trump)
His coin they will be mintin’ (Golden Trump)
He shit all over Clinton

Howard said...

Jesus Achilles. When are you going to get off that fantasy of armed insurrection. I know you must have had a really bad time of it overseas and I'm sorry for that and I'm sorry that I voted for that asshole George w bush that sent you over there. Be that as it may we all know that you are smarter than that. I hope you don't talk like that in front of your children.

I disagree with your assessment that the global warming issue is dying. I see it more as transforming into more of a common-sense long-term approach to decarbonization that can be accommodated economically. One of the things that needs to happen in that regard is the acceptance of nuclear power. The boomers have to die off for that to happen

Howard said...

I'm sorry Francisco d I didn't make myself clear enough for you to pick up what I was putting down. Perception Trump's reality. I'm not saying Republicans are more sexist racist or homophobic the Democrats certainly have a huge problem with that as well but the Democrats are winning the hearts and minds of the people on those issues. Realpolitik

Francisco D said...

Bloomberg is going to be the 800 pound gorilla being ignored as long as possible over the next 3 months. But he will not be ignored and honestly has the best shot at this point.

Bloomberg is the only Democrat candidate that my (life long Democrat) wife is interested in voting for. I knew that she disliked Biden, Bernie and Liz, but she shocked me the other night by saying she would rather vote for Trump than one of them.

She is embarrassed by the Democrat clowns running for POTUS.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

In 1972, the moderate Dem candidate, Humphrey, was blown out of the water by the leftist McGovern and his army of enthusiastic young volunteers, who assumed that everyone was as eager to get rid of the hated GOP incumbent as they were. Then came election night.

This time around, the Dems played the impeachment card a bit too early. I remember every adult I knew was glued to the TV during Watergate. Nobody gives a damn now.

Francisco D said...

I'm sorry Francisco

No reason to apologize Howard. You are right about perception.

I was just arguing about how the Media creates perceptions that do not reflect reality.

Howard said...

I'm liking your wife even more Francisco. I can't understand why Bloomberg isn't getting any traction. Like other people have commented I keep seeing his ads all over the place and they send a solid message of competence in problem solving and a balanced overall message. I think part of it is the man himself Lacks the magnetism required to get people excited

Howard said...

That's a very reasonable assessment and historical reference Wednesday. I am really surprised that Nancy Pelosi got played by the progressive aggressive wing of Congress.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

I'm not saying Republicans are more sexist racist or homophobic the Democrats certainly have a huge problem with that as well but the Democrats are winning the hearts and minds of the people on those issues. Realpolitik

1/30/20, 12:59 PM

And what about the people who are sick and tired of being called sexist, racist, or homophobic because they don't automatically "believe all women," think paying reparations for the sins of long-dead Americans is fair, or cheer on drag queen story hours?

narciso said...

time to send him to the glue factoy,


https://twitter.com/JamesHasson20/status/1222708835313471490

Calypso Facto said...

"The perception of trump is he is an enabler of ... racism"

Must just be Howard's perception: "Gallup Reports Americans’ Satisfaction with Race Relations Has Increased 14 Percent Since Trump’s Inauguration"

"A new Gallup poll released Monday found that Americans have become considerably more optimistic about the state of race relations since Trump took office, with a 14-point increase over just three years.

Satisfaction on “the state of race relations” in the country rose from a mere 22 percent in January 2017, just before Trump took office, to 36 percent in January 2020, just weeks before Trump’s State of the Union address."

Nonapod said...

HoodlumDoodlum said...
Boy, reading the comments here, it seems like a lot of people are pretty certain Trump has an easy path to victory in 2020.
I am...less certain!


To be clear, I'm certainly not saying it's a sure thing by any means, or that it'll even be "an easy path". I'm just making observations and drawing conclusions based upon them.

If we look at what happened in 2016, which is our main data point, and ask the simple question "Will the people who voted for Trump in 2016 also vote for him in 2020?". At this point I would find it difficult to believe that Trump has lost any more than a negligable amount of voters. Again, it's just my impression.

From there, you have to wonder what has changed since 2016? Economically things seem to be going pretty well. Of course, that could change by November so there's no guarantees.

There's certatinly going to be some amount of new voters, people who turned 18, new citizens, or people who for whatever reason skipped voting in 2016. I would guess that most of these newly minted and lapsed voters will vote against Trump, but not all. How many of them are there? Probably not a huge amount relative to the overall electorate, so I would doubt that they'd have a critical tipping effect.

There's voters who may have voted for Hillary last time but who will vote for Trump this time round. Maybe not a huge number, but it's hard to dismiss.

Another question someone might ask is "Is Biden a more appealing candidate in 2020 than Hillary was in 2016?". That's a bit more of challenging to answer clearly. As we all know, Hillary had/has her baggage. But Biden does too. He's old doesn't always seem lucid. He's gaffe prone. His temperment isn't the best (snapping at questioners isn't an appealing look). He's corrupt and it's becoming increasingly difficult for the media to constantly run cover for him. At this point I would say it's a wash.

So what's left? The margin of fraud. Can the Democrats effectively steal the election? Perhaps. They failed to do so in 2016, but they may have been flat footed, assuming that Hillary had it in the bag. They'll have more impetuous to commit fraud this time I suppose, but they'll have to get away with it, too. Not as easy in this day and age with smart phone cameras, Project Vertias, and all the scrutiny this election will have.

When I weigh everything in my head, at this point things seem to slightly favor Trump. There's still a lot of things that could go against him. There's always Black Swan, October Suprises and the like. But at this point that's how I see things.

Calypso Facto said...

"I keep seeing his ads all over the place and they send a solid message of competence in problem solving and a balanced overall message."

Ad I saw last night started with the assertion that Trump is LITERALLY responsible for tornadoes. Our household laughed out loud.

Achilles said...

Bloomberg's problem is he is short.

You can all laugh. But it is true. If he was as tall as Biden he would be on the debate stages and he would be in the discussion.

Bloomberg will also not win a national election against a competent campaigner like Trump.

You don't get to ban guns and soda pop.

We all love our mom but we don't want her to be president.

TJM said...

Every single Dem candidate is a gnat and the minion of the corrupt, leftwing media. There is just no there, there

gilbar said...

Warren says that she will have a "young trans person" interview her future Secretary of Education and only hire this future secretary if the young trans person approves.

forget Uncle Jo, and Mad Bernie! Go with Lizzy! In Lizzy's Whitehouse; ONLY Trans Approved cabinet staff, will be allowed in the door! Goodbye Cissers!

Bruce Hayden said...

“Michael brown reached into Darren Wilson's squad car and attempted to grab Mr. Wilson's gun. Michael Brown was asked repeatedly to stop and he did not. Instead he used his large size to continue to approach officer Wilson after he was asked repeatedly to stop. Micheal Brown was not shot in the back. 'hands up don't shoot' never happened. Michel Brown never said it, nor did he do it. Eric Holder's justice dept could not frame Daren Wilson - even they had to admit the truth. Michel Brown caused his own death by his very own actions.”

Keep in mind that the “hands up, don’t shoot” myth was apparently started by Brown’s coconspirator, Dorian Johnson, who probably could have been prosecuted for felony murder with the death of his accomplice, Brown. For one thing, Brown apparently handed the stolen cigarillos to Johnson, so that he could have both hands free when he assaulted Wilson in his police vehicle. Grabbing a police officers gun is typically treated as attempted murder, and Johnson admitted (along with Wilson) that he had aided and abetted that attempted murder. Maybe he could claim that he had disengaged sufficiently, by leaving the scene, before Brown turned and repeatedly tried to attack Wilson, to beat a felony murder rap, but he essentially admitted to aiding and abetting the earlier attempted murder. And yet, he was never charged for either. One reason may be because of the “hands up, don’t shoot” myth he started.

narciso said...

yes last time it was a junior nambla official at the department, now it has to be fully woke, is that what her indian son in law with ties to the revolutionary guard wants,

Left Bank of the Charles said...

"Do you have a theory behind that thought? Also who are the "centrist" Democrats you mentioned?

In 1968, the socialists who wanted Eugene McCarthy were so unhappy to get Hubert Humphrey that they staged massive street protests at the Democratic convention.

In 1980, the socialists revolted from the Jimmy Carter presidency and backed Ted Kennedy, then went over to Jack Anderson or sat home.

In 2000, Ralph Nader and the Green Party socialists drew off enough votes to deny election to Al Gore.

In 2016, the Bernie Bros adopted the Russian narrative that Hillary Clinton stole the primary from them and sat home in just enough numbers in key states like Wisconsin.

I'm not saying the Democratic Party is entitled to the socialist vote, and it did win the Presidency without it in 1992 with the assist from Ross Perot.

AllenS said...

Without Ross Perot, BJ Clinton would not have been POTUS. BJ would have been just another man with a cigar and a humidor (in the conventional sense).

Laslo Spatula said...

Some good sharp comments, Howard.

I have a theory about you.

I am Laslo.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

What would a bunch of bougie trustifarians (out for vengence against 'Da Man' for holding them down all their lives) see in Joe Biden?

Jim at said...

Thanx to Vote Harvesting® turnouts will EXCEED 100%!

Already happened in the 2004 Washington gubernatorial race. Several King County precincts exceeded 100 percent. Just so happened, those precincts shockingly voted in favor of Gregoire.

This isn't new. They're just now using the template with greater frequency.

Jim at said...

It’s not an empty threat. Socialists were likely decisive in denying the Democratic Party the White House in 1968, 1980, 2000, and 2016. Isn’t it clear they prefer Republicans like Nixon, Reagan, Bush II, and Trump to centrist Democrats? - left bank

You can't possibly be this stupid. You just can't.

The Republicans won because the candidates put forward by the Democrats weren't Socialist enough.

Francisco D said...

In 1968, the socialists who wanted Eugene McCarthy were so unhappy to get Hubert Humphrey that they staged massive street protests at the Democratic convention.

I went to a 1968 McCarthy rally in Winnetka, IL. His supporters were a bunch of rich White limousine liberals. They were motivated by his strong anti-war stance and his poetry. The estate at which the rally was held is likely worth $50 million in todays dollars.

The people who protested at the 1968 Dem Convention were a mixed bag of lefties. The troublemakers were SDS and Yippies (Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin's group). I would describe them as anarchists rather than socialists.

I was there.

Beasts of England said...

Sen. Paul asked a good question on C-SPAN, re: Eric Ciaramella and Shawn Misko. He wanted to know if Eric Ciaramella and Shawn Misko - who recently became a staffer for Schiff - had been discussing the removal of Trump as early as 2017 while they were working together at the NSC. I hope Ciaramella and Misko will testify if witnesses are called; although if it’s only one of them it should be Eric Ciaramella.

Bilwick said...

Since "Uncle Joe" was a nickname for Stalin, Bernie Sanders was at first ecstatic thinking he had come back from the realm of the dead. "Just the kind of strong leader we need these days," Grandpa Gulag said.

Beasts of England said...

’Grandpa Gulag’

I’d like to see that moniker get a lot of mileage!! :)

Lurker21 said...

There may have been some overlap between McCarthy supporters and the protesters, but many of them were much further left, or just further out there, like the Yippies, than McCarthy and his supporters. Some of them came there to riot, not to nominate McCarthy.

Politicians today follow a rigid ideological line today much more closely than they did in McCarthy's day. Like Richard Lamm, another Democrat, McCarthy was concerned about immigration long before it became popular and long before Republicans took up the issue.

Quaestor said...

Prediction: Biden will say something like, Bernie would make a very good Vice President.

Not likely for the following reasons:

1) Biden is your typical kleptocrat. Sanders wants a nation without billionaires (we'll abolish the Pareto distribution, by cracky!) but there's no future for kleptocracy in such a plan, a least for folks like Biden.

2) Biden has already stipulated his desire for a younger VP, wisely acknowledging his extreme mortality (the broken clock syndrome).

Quaestor said...

Biden and Bernie are the crazy uncles at the wedding. Hillary is Banquo's ghost.

I must be visiting the wrong poli-sci pundit sites. They're all saying Bernie is Banquo's ghost.

Quaestor said...

Generation z is just now becoming voting age thank you Trump supporters or mostly aging out of the gene pool.

A lot of red pills are swallowed as in their turn generations acquire wisdom.

rehajm said...

A lot of red pills are swallowed as in their turn generations acquire wisdom.

The same is true of immigrants who acquire wealth.

Beasts of England said...

Chief Justice Roberts refused to as Sen. Paul’s question, re: Eric Ciaramella and Shawn Misko. Roberts must have had a valid legal reason for that decision, except there’s no basis to protect the identity of the alleged whistleblower. I think it’s possible that the Chief Justice has exposed himself to an impeachment inquiry. I’d suggest two potential articles: Obstruction of Congress and Abuse of Power.

Van Wallach said...

Bernie, La Liz and Uncle Joe will have to settle this the old-fashioned way at the convention: Jello shots, followed by a toga-optional Greco-Roman wrestling match, winner take all, in a Texas Cage Match. Sporty Spartacus can referee.

Bilwick said...

"Grandpa Gulag" not original with me, Beasts of England. It was used by some online commenter, perhaps here; I forget who it was or I'd give credit. I used it a couple of months back on some message board or other, and got an angry response from an offended Bernie Bro who pointed out that the Gulags had been abolished a long time ago (like that was the point). I would have stopped using it, but recently we heard about some Bernie Bros, big wheels in Breadlines Bernie's campaign, defending the Soviet Union's use of the gulags, saying they weren't that bad, and hinting that if Sanders gets elected, they might be instituted here for the "re-education" of "reactionaries." So I don't mind using it again, hoping it catches on.

Iman said...
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Iman said...

The lying son of a bitch.

Big Mike said...

The headline Althouse gave her post, and Howard's own -- educated but foolish -- take is that the Millennials and Gen-Z uniformly support Bernie's socialism. I rather doubt that people who work for a living, the plumbers who repair our pipes, the electricians who hung our family room fixture, HVAC technicians, welders, auto mechanics, etc. -- are socialists at heart. They get that socialism means that they have to pay larger portions of their takehome pay to support drones like Howard and Robert Cook.

Iman said...

Googly-eyed Schiff is feigning outrage. He doesn’t know the whistleblower or that individual’s name? Pull the other one, schiffbag, you lying sonuva bitch

tim in vermont said...

Impeach Roberts for "Obstruction of Congress and Abuse of Power.”

Yep.

Gospace said...

As far as Biden wanting someone younger on the ticket - I voted for McCain sincerely hoping Sarah Palin would soon replace him. I would have shed as many years if he had died the day after assuming the presidency as I shed when he eventually did wear out his welcome on this plane of existence- none.

Usually the VP pick is immaterial. In Biden's or Bernie's case, it won't be. Which brings up a question. Why is Biden always referred to by his surname and Bernie by his nickname?

Beasts of England said...

How did Roberts know that Eric Ciaramella’s name required anonymity? Schiff and his staff don’t know Ciaramella’s name. Who leaked the name to the Chief Justice and how did the leaker learn of Ciaramella’s identity?

narciso said...

he was told so, by the mockingjay


https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/1222991208814804992?s=20

Howard said...

Great point, B M, very original. Who needs to listen to Rush Limbaugh when we can read his talking points summarized by you with a bow on it.

Inga said...

Good for Chief Justice Roberts. Now I see the Trumpists want the Chief Justice impeached. As Schiff said today “Ya can’t make this stuff up folks”.

JackWayne said...

Getting rid of any Bushie is a good start/

Birkel said...

Left Bank thinks the socialist voters are plentiful enough to have flipped the 44 state election of Ronald Reagan.

That is damned ignorant.

Birkel said...

When Trump replaces Breyer and RBG, John Roberts will be unimportant.
I'd give him relevance for another three years.

narciso said...

in 1980, the far left candidate, barry commoner, which only al quds brennan admits to have voted for, was a non entity, now their successors, dominate academia,

Automatic_Wing said...

Left Bank thinks the socialist voters are plentiful enough to have flipped the 44 state election of Ronald Reagan.

That is damned ignorant.


What's really ignorant is thinking that John Anderson was a socialist in the vein of Ralph Nader. He was more or less a Rockefeller Republican.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

Big Mike said...
The headline Althouse gave her post, and Howard's own -- educated but foolish -- take is that the Millennials and Gen-Z uniformly support Bernie's socialism. "

Socialists and Communists have always come from the ranks of the middle and upper middle classes. True in Lenin's time - true today.

They take affluence for granted and always assume that they will be the ones in charge, guiding the benighted workers.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

The ranks of Antifa (which overlap with the ranks of the Bernie Bros) are filled with spoiled white middle class and upper class children.

Bill Ayres, Obama's buddy, comes from a wealthy family. Blue collar people don't want to blow up the system - they want stability and a chance to succeed.

bagoh20 said...

"As Schiff said today “Ya can’t make this stuff up folks”."

Now that there is some funny shit.

Adam Schiff said you can't make stuff up. He will say absolutley anything.

For two years he lied to your face over and over. You watched him fabdricate an entire alternative President's phone call during a televised Congressional hearing, and that's just two special examples. Madam, have you no shame?