Bernie is doing a great job of positioning himself here:
I was right about Vietnam.
— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) January 3, 2020
I was right about Iraq.
I will do everything in my power to prevent a war with Iran.
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"I was wrong about the USSR. I was wrong about Venezuela. ..."
Old Man walking at the start of the video. I see none of the vigor needed to be President.
he was wrong about vietnam
Winning a war; then walking away, and giving the country to the enemy is Not Right
The Deep State Dems will have to drop a drone strike on Bernie before he gets too powerful.
Unrelated: When does Hillary weigh in?
I oppose a war with Iran.
But not this strike. Or other similar strikes.
We, not iran, get to decide if there will be a war. Iran can do things like cause trouble in Iraq maybe shoot missiles at israel or the like.
I don't see how they can go to war with us.
John Henry
Does it matter that he would have lost us the Cold War? How about someone in the middle. Donald Trump for President.
I will do everything in my power to prevent a war with Iran.
Saying things like this is not the way you prevent war.
I cannot wait for Bernie to become the Dems man. Go back to that map of the 1984 election. It'll be similar. It's one thing to have 90% of professors and teachers leaning socialist. But the vast American public? It'll be Corbynific!
I also oppose a war with Iran. However, reaching out and touching some of them from afar is ok in my book.
A nice touch indeed, AllenS.
Good Robert Spencer column on this.
tonight, the Obama team and the entire U.S. foreign policy establishment sees all of its core claims and principles proven false, and its recommendations rightly disregarded.
Not that they’ve noticed. They’re still asserting those principles as valid, and as a rebuke to Trump’s action in ordering this strike. Obama’s foreign policy adviser Ben Rhodes, who boasted about how the Obama administration lied to sell the disastrous Iran nuclear deal, was full of consternation and indignation after the news broke of Soleimani’s death. He tweeted that “this is a really frightening moment. Iran will respond and likely in various places.”
Kelly Magsamen, vice president for National Security and International Policy at the hard-left Center for American Progress and former Obama Defense Department official as well as a member of the National Security Council (NSC) staff under Obama and Bush, tweeted: “I worked the Iran account for years at the NSC under two Presidents. I’m honestly terrified right now that we don’t have a functioning national security process to evaluate options and prepare for contingencies. God help us.”
He compares this to Pearl Harbor in an amusing fashion. "I'm just terrified today "
Graham mentioned that Iran's oil refineries might be next if they get too edgy.
reaching out and touching some of them from afar is ok in my book
Hey- none of that here! All the 80s slogans are back in the Reagan/Mondale post.
The Danno approach would be to turn a few Iranian military bases into chunks of glass.
All this talking like Trump and desperately grasping for an issue working their favor. It smells like the recognition of defeat..
A Soviet/Cuban style communist leading the Democratic Party ticket for the presidency.
I am amazed that there is one person who would support this.
Big deal. He’s still a Socialist disaster that would accelerate the destruction of America from the inside.
Oh boy, Trump vs. Bernie this November... not enough popcorn to go around!
Bernie still has to be alive by election day. And his 80 year old heart is very weak.
I wonder if Bernies naked partying with the Soviets will be something that comes up in the campaign?
Madisonman is right. Bernie looks old and tired - worn out. Good words at the end, but his conviction looks more like he is resigned to failure.
Did Bernie ever attack the USSR for supporting North Vietnam's aggression against South Vietnam?
"People want to criticize me for that? Go for it, that's okay."
Wow, Bernie's really going out on a limb here. What a crazy risk taker.
Next he'll come out against killing kittens.
The leading Democrat candidates (Biden, Sanders, Warren) are elderly scolds. They are not fun people. They are just old farts.
Bernie's never been right about anything other than by accident. He's impervious to facts and evidence -- always has been. He's an older, dumber Corbyn.
"Bernies naked partying with the Soviets"? Lets go to the tapes! In Rachel Maddow's eyes this may establish that he is Presidential timber after all.
Ok Boomer.....
Bernie Sanders speaks to the hearts of the Dem base in the EXACT same way that Trump spoke to the hearts of the GOP base. He gives them left-wing populism straight up, just as Trump gave the GOP base right-wing populism.
And that, folks, is precisely what's wrong with populism.
The late senator, Bill Bradley, once remarked: "Leadership involves telling the people what they do not want to hear."
There are a number of things that the Dem base doesn't want to hear but which are nevertheless true.
Same for the GOP base.
Things have gotten completely out of hand because today's politicians are too cowardly for that.
Sinz52: "The late senator, Bill Bradley, once remarked: "Leadership involves telling the people what they do not want to hear."
What did Bill Bradley ever "lead"?
Gahrie said...
Did Bernie ever attack the USSR for supporting North Vietnam's aggression against South Vietnam?
Did Bernie ever criticize any country in the world other than the United States, ever, for anything?
Wrong about Khrushchev.
Wrong about the USSR
Wrong about Korea
Wrong about Cambodia and the Killing Fields
Wrong about Mao
Wrong about Grenada
Wrong about Panama
but yes, right about Iraq. Because Sadaam wasn't a Communist.
What did Bill Bradley ever "lead"?
Some pretty decent basketball teams.
Dollar Bill led the Knicks to several NBA Championships.
There are a number of things that the Dem base doesn't want to hear but which are nevertheless true.
Certainly, but "I will do everything in my power to prevent a war with Iran." is not among them.
Psych
Bernie is a war with America. If he gets in, we will be the smoldering wreckage. As planned.
Howard, see if you can get your post word count average below 1.
It would improve the quality of your posts immensely.
Opposition is a feature not a bug. It's necessary to ensure that there is a governor on the degree to which any president will use military force. Even your hero Trump. Also if things turn out well with trumps policy in Iran it will hurt Bernie and the Democrats for being an opposition.
I get a Drago I make you feel insecure because you're as chatty as a yenta in a coffee klatch in Brooklyn
"Some pretty decent basketball teams."
Hey, lets make Tom Brady President!
Howard: "I get a Drago I make you feel insecure because you're as chatty as a yenta in a coffee klatch in Brooklyn"
I have zero doubt that you actually believe that.
Don't like Bernie the candidate, don't agree with nor support his views on the purpose and role of government, and I think all his proposed policies will ruin this great country of ours. But, BUT, I have come to believe that he is alone among the Democrats in that he honestly believes what he says and proposes. The rest of those folks are pandering creeps.
I have come to believe that he is alone among the Democrats in that he honestly believes what he says and proposes. The rest of those folks are pandering creeps.
Which is worse?
You're right about Bernie's "positioning" here, Professor.
The problem is, he's still a communist.
I don't know Drago, that response sounded very insecure to me. I think your battering of Chuck over the years has made you weak unless funny frankly. I know my post haven't improved either with the structure of the blog
"I was right about noon. I was right about midnight." --the clock on my old VCR
Bernie and many like him live in a fantasy world of unicorns and rainbows.
Last night and this morning on Twitter I see a lot of criticism of last night's attack that amounts to, "I'm so tired of war. It's war, war, war all the time! I'm sick of it!"
And the finger is pointed at the USA as if we are the ones who want war.
Listen, fool, you don't get to choose these things. Your only choice is to fight or surrender.
Bernie will obviously choose surrender.
Which is worst? I won't vote for any of them, but I think the pandering crowd is worse because you don't have any idea what you will get from them. Bernie is the WYSIWYG candidate, for the Dems.
Democrats would be well served to look closely at how Corbyn blew up the Labour Party in England, Scotland, and Wales by sticking to the discredited Stalinist party line in the recent UK elections. Their working class base fled willingly into the arms of BoJo and the Tories because they, unlike their contemptuous Labourite overlords, understand basic political economics and biology.
Fortunately, our own Corbyinistas will bitterly cling to their belief that it can't happen here.
"Bernie is the WYSIWYG candidate, for the Dems."
Maybe he just painted himself into a corner.
Dollar Bill led the Knicks to several NBA Championships.
No. He was an important role player. Walt Frazier was the leader.
Other role players probably more important than Bill Bradley:
Earl "The Pearl" Monroe
Dave DeBusschere
Willis Reed
Phil Jackson was pretty important too.
Democrats would be well served to look closely at how Corbyn blew up the Labour Party in England, Scotland, and Wales by sticking to the discredited Stalinist party line in the recent UK elections. Their working class base fled willingly into the arms of BoJo and the Tories because they, unlike their contemptuous Labourite overlords, understand basic political economics and biology.
Corbyn's leadership and party platform do have some responsibility for the election outcome, but not as much as you would think. The main reason for the landslide was Labour's failure to abide by the EU referendum. Just as in the US, the Left and their media allies could not accept the loss of an election in 2016, and have been working to undermine it ever since. Just as in the US, they have been aided by many on the Right who placed their desire for globalism above the interests of those they were elected to serve.
Labour's defeat in Scotland had more to so with Scottish nationalism than Corbyn. There will be calls for another referendum on Scottish independence.
As an avowed socialist, Bernie served a niche market for years and years. It wasn't the biggest chunk of the pie, but he didn't have much competition either. Business was steady and he did really well for himself.
Now we're seeing significant growth in that sector. As an old and respected brand, Bernie stands to cash in on that right before he retires. Timing was perfect for a man of his temperament and reasonable ambitions. He's had a great run.
Howard: "I don't know Drago, that response sounded very insecure to me."
Of course it did.
"I was right about Vietnam.
I was right about Iraq"
And you were fucking wrong about the Soviet Union, our mortal enemy, for 45 years, you dipshit.
"Gahrie said...
Did Bernie ever attack the USSR for supporting North Vietnam's aggression against South Vietnam?
Did Bernie ever criticize any country in the world other than the United States, ever, for anything?"
Yes, Israel.
Gahrie: "Corbyn's leadership and party platform do have some responsibility for the election outcome, but not as much as you would think. The main reason for the landslide was Labour's failure to abide by the EU referendum."
I disagree. Labour candidates from across Britain spoke emphatically after the election at just how toxic Corbyn was to the voters. All you had to do was watch a bit of Leading Britain's Conversation (LBC) and you would be amazed at the volume and viciousness of the attacks coming at Corbyn from Labour MP's, Labour voters and the election analysts.
Corbyn was political death on wheels and the problem for the left in Britain is that Corbyn and McDonald have ensured only crazy Corbynistas remain in power for the time being. These idiots are fighting within the party to be the ones to perform the post-mortem analysis to determine why Labour performed so poorly and what to do about it!! LOL
Yep.
We do not yet have evidence of this cabal of communists terrorist supporters going the Full Hillary route with Russia Collusion ....but many of these lefties and Lifelong Tories are already saying it.....
I disagree. Labour candidates from across Britain spoke emphatically after the election at just how toxic Corbyn was to the voters.
That was in the context of a heated leadership battle and a continuing unwillingness to admit defeat on Brexit. Don't be surprised in 2024 if a lot of red wall returns to Labour when Brexit is no longer an issue. Scotland is lost to both Labour and the Conservatives for at least a generation.
Gahrie: "That was in the context of a heated leadership battle and a continuing unwillingness to admit defeat on Brexit."
Nope.
His terrorist sympathizing and clear demonstrable anti-semitism was a major negative influence as well as the manifesto produced by Labour which promised the world and which, interestingly enough, the working classes rejected as literally insane across the boards. One of the more common responses to this full commie manifesto was clear disbelief on the part of the electorate that any of this idiocy could ever be paid for.
I especially like how Andrew Neil of the BBC is taking Labour to task over all these issues.
One quick aside: British interviewers are so vastly superior to American media hacks that its literally embarrassing. These guys can take apart any interviewee's statements and they do it by knowing the arguments of both sides up and down. Impressive.
sinz52: Bernie Sanders speaks to the hearts of the Dem base in the EXACT same way that Trump spoke to the hearts of the GOP base. He gives them left-wing populism straight up, just as Trump gave the GOP base right-wing populism.
And that, folks, is precisely what's wrong with populism.
The late senator, Bill Bradley, once remarked: "Leadership involves telling the people what they do not want to hear."
Which makes "populism" as an appeal to a particular subset of voters different from any other appeal to any subset of voters, how?
The term "populism" as used by pundits or pols today is pretty much devoid of meaning or information. (Note, e.g., the thundering condemnations of "populism" and the terrible danger it represents, deployed by people who want to ditch the Electoral College.) It's an airy nothing of a phrase meant to de-legitimize the other guy's rational pursuit of his own interests, or to emotionalize issues and shut down legitimate debate. Often used in conjunction with rhetoric that is objectively no less "populist" in content, just targeted at a different base.
More pallets of American cash.
We don’t want war either, Bernie. They choose differently.
Labour's defeat in Scotland had more to so with Scottish nationalism than Corbyn. There will be calls for another referendum on Scottish independence.
Once they’re out, Boris should give it to them.
Gahrie: "Scotland is lost to both Labour and the Conservatives for at least a generation."
The problem with Scotland....is that its full of Scots!
Several Conservative Party seats lost (Gordon for one) were very close and likely will be back in the Conservative fold in NE Scotland.
And remember, 55% of Scottish voters voted for Leave parties.
"There will be calls for another referendum on Scottish independence."
As pointed out above, 55% of Scottish voters voted for Leave parties and Boris with his huge majority and his push to get rid of the moronic Fixed Term Parliaments Act will ensure Boris will not have to give in to this perennial SNP demand.
"I will do everything in my power to prevent a war with Iran."
Glad you don't have any, then, since that's preemptive surrender.
Not actively desiring a war, fine. Actively desiring peace under tolerable conditions, fine.
"I will do anything to prevent a war" means the man cannot be let near the Presidency; he's pulling a Chamberlain.
It's an airy nothing of a phrase meant to de-legitimize the other guy's rational pursuit of his own interests, or to emotionalize issues and shut down legitimate debate
Shh. You're exposing Farmer's shtick.
Bernie was also wrong about Cuba and Nicaragua.
Bernie Sanders on Nicaragua (1985):
"It’s funny, sometimes American journalists talk about how bad a country is, that people are lining up for food. That is a good thing! In other countries people don’t line up for food: the rich get the food and the poor starve to death."
Food lines and food rationing are a consequence of a collapse in agricultural production. Castro's Cuba, Allende's Chile, Chavista Venezuela, and the first play of Sandinista Nicaragua (1979-1990)all had food lines, food rationing and also a collapse in agricultural production. Without a collapse in food production, there would be no food rationing. Cuba was able to forestall food shortages with the assistance of the Soviet sugar daddy, but since 1990, per capita agricultural production has collapsed in Cuba.
From Bernie's 1989 visit Cuba:
“The people we met had an almost religious affection for [Fidel Castro].
Bernie had a translator tell him what Cuban people thought. Cubans are going to assume that a translator is working for the government, and thus will report any dissident opinions. No Cuban is going to give a candid opinion to a translator.
The revolution there is far deep and more profound than I understood it to be. It really is a revolution in terms of values.”
This is just a rehash of Lenin's New Soviet Man, or of Che Guevara's New Marxist Man. Ditto Hugo Chavez. Bernie was just repeating the Commie line. New Soviet man? "Revolution in terms of values?" Tell me another one.
rehajm: Shh. You're exposing Farmer's shtick.
No, didn't have J.F. in mind as an example of a general case. You guys leave me out of your feud with J. Whatever my own differences with his opinions on whatever, his regular sparring partners don't exactly cover themselves in glory, imo.
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“Bernie is doing a great job of positioning himself here.”
Does he have a nice crease in his pants, too?
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