November 25, 2019

Why I'm laughing out loud 3 seconds after clicking on "This White Wisconsin County Has No Time for Trump."

Here's the Bloomberg article (at Yahoo Finance).

Why I'm laughing and why it took only 3 seconds. I click through with the #1 question, which county? I spotted the name of the county right away:
White voters were the key to Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential victory. Their continued support for him is the main reason he is unlikely to be removed from office by impeachment. They are the foundation of his political support heading into 2020. Unless, of course, they live in Dane County, Wisconsin....
Ha ha ha! Dane County. My county! Well, duh, Madison, Wisconsin loathes Trump. Very funny, Bloomberg.
Dane County does not buy what Trump sells. About four in five residents of the county, which includes the state capital of Madison, are non-Hispanic white. Nationally, according to the U.S. Census, about 60 percent of the population is non-Hispanic white. The electorate in Dane is generally even whiter than the county’s general population. Yet in 2016, Hillary Clinton defeated Trump in Dane County by a margin of three to one.
Yeah, we're overwhelmingly white here, and we vote overwhelmingly for Democrats, over and over. It's a hotbed of liberalism. I'm surprised that Trump got even one in four votes around here. If you lived here, you'd wonder who the hell voted for Trump, not isn't it amazing that even though it's full of white people, Hillary Clinton trounced Trump.

122 comments:

Michael K said...

I'm sure they could have chosen Sacramento CA or any other state capital to get the same results. Government employees loathe anyone who thinks they are not doing God's work.

This Cleta Mitchell column explains the threat the impeachment follies pose to the bureaucracy.

In particular, the hearings provide ample grounds to overturn the Supreme Court’s 1984 decision in Chevron U.S.A., Inc. v. National Resources Defense Council, in which the court articulated a principle that federal agency decisions should receive deference in federal litigation because of the “expertise” of the federal agency in matters involving the agency. Known popularly as Chevron deference, it presupposes that the agency and its employees are not only experts, but are philosophically neutral in the discharge of their duties.

What we’ve seen during the Rep. Adam Schiff hearings is that “experts” in federal agencies exhibit bias and political philosophies of their own. They are not neutral.


The impeachment hearings may well bring a reversal of the Chevron decision at the Supreme Court. It would be ironic if the bias of the bureaucrats in those hearings resulted in their castration.

rehajm said...

Bloomberg needs reconnaissance about the nuances of deplorable country. Do give Francis a bit of time to get up to speed.

Original Mike said...

"I'm surprised that Trump got even one in four votes around here. If you lived here, you'd wonder who the hell voted for Trump,"

I'm surprised I'm not the only one (well, there's my wife, so that's two).

gilbar said...

This JUST IN
the nearly all white People's Republic of Johnson County, Iowa HATES Trump!!

Dave Begley said...

Didn't your husband vote for Trump?

Or is it a secret?

Meade said...

1 out of 3 Dane County voters voted against Trump's opponent in 2016.

Gunner said...

This moron in 1972: McGovern wins white Massachusetts! Why this white state has no time for Nixon!

rcocean said...

Yes, its full of Government workers, lobbyists, lawyers, College professors, and non-believing Jews and Christians. IOW, Leftists. And lots of brainwashed college students, many of whom will change their views, after they go out in the real world and get a job.

wild chicken said...

And Missoula sez, not our president!

tcrosse said...

How did Jill Stein do in Dane?

rcocean said...

The chattering classes hate Trump, just like they hated Reagan and Bush II. Why they are so far Left has probably been analyzed.

CWJ said...

Kinda demonstrates what a dull blade identity determinism is. But hey, treating people as checked off boxes is easy. Actual analysis for understanding is hard.

Moondawggie said...

Perhaps Bloomberg could also investigate the white bastions of Marin County and Santa Monica, and confirm that they've stumbled onto a nationwide phenomenon?

Fernandinande said...

Trump should buy Dane County from Denmark.

WisRich said...

This lines up with Bloomberg's new policy now that Mike Bloomberg is in the race.

1. Will continue policy of not reporting or investigating Mike Bloomberg.

2. Because reason #1 listed above would give an unfair advantage to Mr. Bloomberg, we will not report/investigate on any other Democratic candidate.

3. Finally, will we continue to investigate Trump.


Think I exaggerate? Nope. We've blown by bias and yellow journalism into....I don't know what?

rcocean said...

Jill Stein didn't come to Madison, she was too busy talking to Putin. She got 1.4% of the vote in Dane.

gilbar said...

"I only know one person who voted for Nixon. Where they are I don’t know.
They’re outside my ken. But sometimes when I’m in a theater I can feel them.”

Lucid-Ideas said...

No, but, no, but, Ann, but, White people are evil Trump voters.

Come on Ann...
Don't be dull...
Be a smarty...
Come and join...
The Tulsi/buttgay party!!!

Meade said...

"How did Jill Stein do in Dane?"

Not as well as Gary Johnson who, um, collected 3.4% of the vote.
Jill Stein got 1.4% — same as WRITE-IN.

Meade said...

"Trump should buy Dane County from Denmark."

LOL!

Bay Area Guy said...

Great article!!!

We learn that a small white liberal enclave of Wisconsin voted Hillary, while the entire mostly white state of Wisconsin voted for Trump, giving him the 2016 electoral college victory we continue to celebrate daily!

I guess some whites in Wisconsin vote Dem and some whites vote GOP.

What a breathtaking insight, Bloomberg News! Thank you so much. Really provicative. I mean that. I really do. Sincerely, I do.

Meade said...

"If you lived here, you'd wonder who the hell voted for Trump"

The vote for Trump came from INSIDE THE HOUSE!

Original Mike said...

"The vote for Trump came from INSIDE THE HOUSE!"

We're just hidin' in the closets, biden our time.

Wince said...

"This White Wisconsin County Has No Time for Trump."

Meanwhile...

Rasmussen Reports, Verified account
Our Twitter Follower Roee spotted this from the Emerson College poll just out.

It apparently indicates current Black Registered Voter Approval for @POTUS at 34.5%.

Drago said...

There is an insatiable need on the left for daily articles designed to give lefties/LLR-lefties hope that all is right and well in their bubbled existence.

gilbar said...

Fernandistein said...
Trump should buy Dane County from Denmark.


Fern wins again!

Calypso Facto said...

"I'm surprised that Trump got even one in four votes around here."

ANY republican support in Dane County must be clandestine or risk the perpetual Two Minutes Hate from the supposed tolerance crowd.

"The vote for Trump came from INSIDE THE HOUSE!"

Haha! Exactly. The psychopath terrorizing Utopia.

Jersey Fled said...

Why is it bad that Whites vote for Trump? Are White people bad? Isn't that the unspoken assumption that underlies the article? Could it be that White people tend to be more frequently married, religious and rural than the national averages? Or is it only the bad White people that vote for Trump.

rcocean said...

To Bloomberg, Wisconsin is made of Milwaukee and Dairy Farmers.

roesch/voltaire said...

I know several Trump voters, one white and one black, in my neighborhood and we have interesting discussions often disagreeing on the significance of facts; but interestingly both now seem to think Trump might deserve censure (side note, somehow I do not think the thousand of workers at Epics represent the chattering class, but most did not vote for Trump.)

wildswan said...

Did you notice that Scott Walker was a three-term governor? OK Bloomies

"Kramer’s book explores the distinct, mostly white, “rural consciousness” that propelled Republican Scott Walker’s three gubernatorial election victories." https://finance.yahoo.com/news/white-wisconsin-county-no-time-130030192.html

Mike Sylwester said...

The article's premise is that people vote for Donald Trump because they are non-Hispanic Whites.

That premise is stupid.

People vote for Trump because of the issues. For example, people vote for him because they agree with him that the USA should enforce our immigration laws.

Original Mike said...

I really am surprised Trump support was 1 out of 4 (I assume that's the voting tally from 2016?). Off the top of my head, I can't think of a single Trump voter I know. It does not reflect well on the leftists around here that we have to keep our heads down.

Meade said...

Of the current Democrat field, the betting markets have Hillary Clinton in, I think, 5th place. As, I think it was, Bob Boyd said in a previous post: "Keep hope alive." I'm looking forward to voting for Hillary in the Wisconsin primary Tuesday, April 7, 2020.

Darrell said...

You'd have to be fucking nuts to vote for a Democrat.

YoungHegelian said...

And ya know what? Those white lefties such as inhabit Dane County, WI (or my county, Montgomery County, MD) are generally to the Left of minority voters.

There's no group more lefty than lefty white people.

Mike Sylwester said...

A better political analysis would explain why the voters in Dane County are more likely to oppose enforcement of our immigration laws than voters in other counties are.

I think that the voters in Dane County enjoy ethnic diversity (e.g. ethnic restaurants and festivals) and do not feel that their own jobs ever will be jeopardized by competition from low-skill immigrants willing to work for low wages.

The many voters in Dane County's education industry also see a huge immigration wave as their own job security in future years.

The voters in the other counties do not perceive that their own job security will be improved by a huge immigration wave.

I think that is an essential difference between the immigration-policy preferences between Dane County and the other counties.

A similar analysis could be done on the issue of exporting American jobs to China. The voters in Dane County have more of a self-interest in a more globalized economy.

sTony said...

An article like this should be accompanied by pictures of the protests against then Gov. Scott Walker. Some perspective and context is necessary. It's unfortunate that the article would be ridiculous were this context added and that the writer pursues it anyway without the context as if all of the readers are completely ignorant of the situation.

Perhaps the writer was still in college at the time and was unaware of world events due to a crippling drug and alcohol problem or his agonizing decision on about to have gender reassignment surgery for himself and his cat, or just for his cat.

Bill, Republic of Texas said...

Just wait until Bloomberg learns about Austin TEXAS.

Amadeus 48 said...

Plus university folks, plus students, plus state government employees...Dane County is a Petri dish of anti-Trumpdom. And s-o-o-o-o-o-o white! Why, it's almost as if race were irrelevant.

Mike Sylwester said...

The voters in Dane County generally have political opinions that are more statist. They think that decisions should be made by the state rather than by the free market.

In this regard, the voters in Dane County feel more political affinity to the masses of ignorant peasants invading into the USA from Guatemala, Honduras and other Central American shit-holes.

The voters in Dane County perceive that those illegal aliens eventually will become US citizens and will prefer statist policies, just as the Dane County voters do.

That is an explanation why the voters in Dane County oppose enforcement of our immigration laws more than the voters of other counties do.

Lucien said...

CNN does not officially stand for “Clinton News Network”, but “Bloomberg News”? How can anyone believe anything they say unless it is critical of Mike Bloomberg — which it won’t be?

whitney said...

Your county is emblematic of white liberals all over the place who preach open borders and open marriages but live like the KKK and conservative Christians

Amadeus 48 said...

Hey, Meade--thanks for the vote. We had the same thing going at my house, but in Wisconsin your vote actually helped.

In Illinois, we are just waiting for the crash and going on as always. Have you heard? States can't go through bankruptcy court (said as though that means states can never default on their obligations).

How did Illinois go broke? Gradually, then suddenly.

Amadeus 48 said...

Mike Sylwester has some of the most consistently thoughtful and fact-based comments on this blog.

Thanks, Mike.

mccullough said...

Looks like Trump took the German vote there. They are about 1/3 of Dane County.

hombre said...

Bob Hope had the right take on this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LNfhsUcyld0

Curious George said...

"I'm surprised that Trump got even one in four votes around here. If you lived here, you'd wonder who the hell voted for Trump,"

You are confusing Madison for Dane County. There are likely a lot of Trump voters in the Suburbs like Sun Prairie, McFarland, etc.

hombre said...

“That is an explanation why the voters in Dane County oppose enforcement of our immigration laws more than the voters of other counties do.”

Also, they have never had to get emergency room service in Texas or Arizona, etc.

Original Mike said...

"In Illinois, we are just waiting for the crash and going on as always."

Wisconsin sooo needs a wall along our southern border.

wildswan said...

There are more Asian-Americans living in Dane County than anywhere else in Wisconsin and about 10,000 more Asian-Americans than African-Americans, and almost the same as the number of Hispanics. Since Madison and Dane County totally disregard these residents in their social policies and pronouncements from on high and in their interviews with Bloomberg, one might think these residents don't vote. But voting in Dane County is almost 80% of eligible voters after you take out Dane County residents under 18, those under parole or supervision and half the foreign-born - if we accept that the returns are accurate. Meaning that Hispanics and Asians are 12% of the electorate in Dane County and are voting. But do Asians want the schools wrecked and do Hispanics want the small businesses they are running legalized, taxed and regulated as they would be in the socialist countries the Hispanics left as economic refugees? Are they really voting? Yet they must be - if we accept that the returns are accurate.

Francisco D said...

"In Illinois, we are just waiting for the crash and going on as always."

I stopped waiting and moved to Arizona. The rest of my family still lives in the Chicago area because they didn't
save enough to move.

There is not much of a Midwest work ethic here, but taxes and corruption are not much nuisance.

Danno said...

I just came to Althouse after seeing this on Yahoo. Although he may find himself to be clever, most of us know that Francis Wilkinson isn't the sharpest blade in the drawer.

Bruce Hayden said...

“And Missoula sez, not our president”

Only place I saw signs and stickers for the nude singing cowboy running for the Congressional seat. Spent the night there and there was almost nowhere to stay. Ended up in a real dump, a couple doors down from the 5 Guys (if you know Missoula). Windows were plastered with his stickers. Knew it was going to be bad from that. It was worse. One of my very few one star reviews on Hotels.com, and would have gone lower if I could have.

Gusty Winds said...

Of course Madison is filled with Democrats. The entire town in funded by 1) Wisconsinite Tax dollars, 2) A mountain of student debt, with zero effort to control costs.

Having the State Capitol and UW in the same town is the perfect recipe for white people with comfortable lives, to pretend they care about the average person. It's a town filled with Wizard of Oz Scarecrows. Everyone has a degree, but no brain.

I don't blame all ya'll. Once you're on the inside, the fruit is pretty ripe. Hard to give up.

I'm Full of Soup said...

Bruce:

A buddy of mine used to describe hotels like that as having crow bar marks on the door jambs.

Caligula said...

" I'm surprised that Trump got even one in four votes around here."

That's why we have secret ballots. And also why polls consistently underestimated Trump's support in 2016. Because, no matter how harsh social (or official) disapproval may be, "Die Gedanken sind frei." All those secret Trump supporters, just freely walking around Dane-Wokistan. And you don't know who they are, do you, Mr Bloomberg?

So, the Woke have declared war on freedom of speech. Will they now declare war on the secret ballot?

Calypso Facto said...

"having crow bar marks on the door jambs"

Literally my hotel in Toledo a few years ago. Not a good night's sleep.

GatorNavy said...

Madistan. Say no more

Michael K said...

I stopped waiting and moved to Arizona. The rest of my family still lives in the Chicago area because they didn't
save enough to move.


I'm going there tomorrow to visit my sister, who I would love to get out of there but she has grandchildren so no luck. At least it looks like the weather will give us a break.

Danno said...

Blogger Fernandistein said...Trump should buy Dane County from Denmark.

Wouldn't Greenland be a better buy?

Left Bank of the Charles said...

Cambridge, Massachusetts is 62.1% non-Hispanic white and voted 87% for Clinton to 6% for Trump.

JAORE said...

Was this article before or after the edict to:
Speak no ill of Bloomberg or anyone associated with him,
Speak no ill of any D candidate for POTUS,
and, Rip the(Bad) Orange Man a new one?

Roy Lofquist said...

Riddle me this, Batman. How come the states with the highest percentage of black people are solid Republican?

https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.0k3NraJqXxwzzHH2hT0fpgHaFU&pid=Api&rs=1

Yancey Ward said...

That is funny. I had just perused the listings on RCP about 30 minutes before coming here to Althouse- I didn't clink the link to the story because I was about 100% sure the county they were talking about in the headline was Dane County.

Bruce Hayden said...

“I stopped waiting and moved to Arizona. The rest of my family still lives in the Chicago area because they didn't
save enough to move.

There is not much of a Midwest work ethic here, but taxes and corruption are not much nuisance.”

It’s not a Midwest work ethic, but the Hispanics, esp first and second generation are underrated in this regard. They all seem to have real jobs, then side gigs. Gardening, carpentry, body work, painting, house cleaning, etc. All cheap here for that reason.

I learned about Mexican work ethics in maybe 1973 or so. Friends had a brickyard in Boulder, CO (just as liberal, if not worse, than Madison). Took a job there while trying to figure out what to do with my new college degree. Better than half the employees were what we would call illegals these days. They would come up every year, save and send most of it back home to their families in Mexico, then live like kings for the other half year, when the brickyard was closed for the winter. Funny thing was that the two owners were CU grads, and would have preferred hiring college students for the work. But, time after time, the college kids would last maybe a week. The work was just too hard. But you wouldn’t know it, watching the Mexicans. They were always happy. Always talking and joking. My favorite job there was working at the end of the line stacking the wet bricks on carts for drying in the kiln. Normally, you would have to hustle a bit to keep up with the conveyor belt, and the last guy had to make sure none were missed. But the reason that it was great at the end is that a couple guys at the front of the line would decide to race a couple times an hour. They would go for 10-15 minutes or so, stacking essentially all the bricks. I could kick back and have a leisurely cigarette or two, then get back to work when they were done racing. It was hard enough work when 5 of us were working the line, but then two would do the work of five for a bit. It sure made the day go faster. And for them, it was fun.

I think that maybe the difference between the Midwest work ethic is that work is considered an important endeavor. The Mexicans were used to working hard, and made the best of it. Made it enjoyable. My experience though with maybe third generation Mexicans has not been as positive. They still have the mañana lay back attitude, but weren’t brought up having to work hard just to survive.

The new subdivision we live in is probably over half Hispanic, mostly of Mexican descent. Good honest hard working people. Relatively devout Roman Catholic - which my partner likes. Last summer, when we were up in MT for half the year, the young woman next door called to tell us that our garage door was open. She also called the cops, and I walked the officer through the house to make sure everything was ok. She stuck around the entire time. The only downside is that they have the extended family over every couple months, play salsa music, and stay up late partying. It’s a small price to pay for such good neighbors.

walter said...

Last Friday I parked near Camp Randall behind a car with"Dump Trump!" and "Any functioning adult 2020" stickers. Juicy Smolier would call it MAGA Country.
Meade,
How's that Trump peace T-shirt holding up?

Meade said...

"How's that Trump peace T-shirt holding up?"

So far so good!

Bruce Hayden said...

“A buddy of mine used to describe hotels like that as having crow bar marks on the door jambs.”

Well, it is MT, and the gun laws decent, so not that dangerous. Nevertheless, my partner did insist I bring up one of my handguns for the night. I do carry concealed late at night, esp on the weekends here in the PHX area the other half a year. Our subdivision here is really good, but the area around the Walmart a quarter mile from here is much less so. You do see some gang bangers, including some who have tats indicating kills. They have a McDonalds there, and I pop by most evenings to pick up coffee for the next day for my partner. That is one of the few things that we really miss in MT - convenient McDonalds coffee. Nearest McDonalds there (Sandpoint) is 80 miles away.

But, as far as I can tell, it is a lot better than Chicago. So, Dr K, keep your eyes peeled on your tip there.

walter said...

Bruce,
You've got the elements for an edgy McDonalds commercial.

Francisco D said...

@Bruce Hayden

Yes. The Hispanics here seem to have a strong "Midwest" work ethic. Real estate development would be lost without them, as would the home renovation industry.

My wife teaches at one of the upper middle class high schools and finds that the well off White kids are extremely lazy and feel entitled to good grades without working. The Hispanic kids tend to be somewhat more diligent and much less entitled.

Swede said...

We love diversity!

Just not here!

gilbar said...

Original Mike said...
Wisconsin sooo needs a wall along our southern border.


Just shows you were thinking things through!
We iowans sensibly put a HUGE river between us and illinois

Original Mike said...

"We iowans sensibly put a HUGE river between us and illinois"

I hope you've placed charges and are ready to blow the bridges.

Roughcoat said...

We'll be moving from our Chicago suburb just as soon as our house sells -- looking to relocate in Chesterton, Indiana. Put the house up for sale a few weeks ago. Apart from an 18-year sojourn in Colorado I've lived in Chicagoland all my life. Born and raised here. I used to love Chicago. I still love the old Chicago and Chicago history. But Chicago today is increasingly becoming, almost literally, a foreign country. I don't want to live in Mexico and I don't want to live in the black inner city. Too culturally different, and too violent. Also too expensive. All of Illinois is too expensive -- and jaw-dropingly corrupt. Thanks, Democrats, you ruined it. Now you can have it.

Roughcoat said...

Some of you here, with your laudatory comments about Mexican immigrants -- well, yeah, okay. But ... do you actually go into the Mexican neighborhoods in Chicago, such as Little Village? I go into them every day. They are shooting galleries, especially at night. Mexicans street gangs are prolific, powerful, and violent -- they're shooting the shit out of each other, and anyone who gets caught in the crossfire, almost with the same frequency as inner city blacks.

Quaestor said...

It's a hotbed of liberalism.

Hotbed? More like a fever swamp.

narciso said...

dejavu


https://www.conservativereview.com/news/levin-breaks-infuriating-similarities-totalitarian-lefts-efforts-trump-netanyahu/

Sebastian said...

"Dane County does not buy what Trump sells."

They don't like record low unemployment and record high stocks?

They want to house a few million illegals in Madison rather than keep them out?

They want China to keep stealing our intellectual property?

Curious George said...

"Wisconsin sooo needs a wall along our southern border."

That is so dumb. Tourism is a major industry in Wisconsin, especially up nort'. Also, so much tax revenue comes in from Illinoisians in the form of sales and property tax.

Calypso Facto said...

"Also, so much tax revenue comes in from Illinoisians in the form of sales and property tax."

And speeding tickets!

Michael K said...

Also too expensive. All of Illinois is too expensive -- and jaw-dropingly corrupt. Thanks, Democrats, you ruined it. Now you can have it.

My nephew took almost a year to sell his house but it was in Chicago city. I was afraid he would have to walk away from it,. The next door neighbors are sketchy but he did finally find a buyer. Much lower price, of course. He already owns another house farther out. That one may be outside the city.

When I lived in Chicago many years ago,. quite a few neighbors had their cars registered in Indiana. I remember an OB who moved his practice a few years ago to Indiana. Told his patients they would have to drive. Illinois is toxic. I remember roads in downstate IL where only one lane was paved, the other was gravel. My father told me the governor at the time stole half the money. An old Illinois story.

Michael K said...

My experience though with maybe third generation Mexicans has not been as positive. They still have the mañana lay back attitude, but weren’t brought up having to work hard just to survive.

I have told this story before about the change in immigrants. I reviewed workers comp cases for ten years. About 1/3 of the cases I saw were illegals. Probably high because, with no skills, they ended up in the dangerous jobs. Many were from Indian villages and did not speak Spanish, let alone English.

Fifty years ago, the immigrants were quite a bit different.

Iman said...

Thumb's up, Bruce Hayden.

I married the girl of my dreams, the Latina cheerleader friend of my younger sister. She is two years younger than me, we married three years after I graduated from college... and we'll have been married 44 years in January. We have three wonderful, productive children and three grandchildren.

My wife was taught her work ethic by her step-father... the hardest working man I've ever known. A roofer by trade, at age 84, he maintains the acre where he and my MIL retired on the outskirts of Tucson... maintains it like a park... trees, bushes, flowers. The properties around them are all natural, cacti and scrub. I'd love to see an aerial view that covers their area, it would look like an oasis.

hawkeyedjb said...

"It's a hotbed of liberalism."

If only. Liberals don't caterwaul and scream and hate. Leftists and Marxists do.

Roughcoat said...

Fifty years ago, the immigrants were quite a bit different.

I'm still waiting for the much-touted Latino conservatives to manifest their presence. According to establishment Republicans and the rest of the Open Borders crowd they are here in great numbers but, alas, I have yet to see any hereabouts. I wonder why.

rcocean said...

Oh God the patronizing, oh those Mexicans are such hardworking folks! Salt of the Earth! Natural Conservatives!

OK boomer.

We've been hearing that song for 30 years, as one state after another goes from Red to Purple to Deep Blue. Oh well, as long as that hard-working Mexican with the leaf-blower shows up on Saturday, all is well.

paminwi said...

I am a conservative in Waunakee, WI. After viewing the results of various elections I see my husband and I are definitely in the minority. What I love doing is going out to dinner and talking a bit loudly about what as*holes the Dem candidates are. When I get funny looks I I look those folks in the eye and ask “you have a problem with free speech?” Or “you can’t handle someone with an opposing viewpoint?” I know it’s a bit over the line but sometimes I just can’t help myself!
My husband has learned to deal with me over the years.

rcocean said...

Oh those nice hard working immigrants. People used to think lie that back in the 1910's. Then some of those "hard working immigrants" started the Communist party, and tried to blow up Wall Street. The guy who killed McKinley was a "hard working immigrant" as was the "hard working immigrant" who almost killed FDR in 1933. In fact, the guy who tried to kill TR in 1912, might have also been a "hard working immigrant".

Today, "hard working immigrants" aren't blowing up Wall Street, or shooting up people like Sacco and Vincitti, but can we please stop with silly personal sentimental "Gosh, my Gardener is such a wonderful man".

Michael K said...

I'm still waiting for the much-touted Latino conservatives to manifest their presence.

I don't know about their politics but I have seen a change in the work habits and intelligence of immigrants the past 50 to 60 years.

Some of the recent ones work hard but are illiterate. I see no way they can exist in this society without welfare and they have no right to it. It took the Italians three generations or more. For that matter the Irish was a mainstay of the Democrats party until after WWII.

gadfly said...

Sixty-plus thousand socialistic faculty and students at UW-M must have an enormous influence on the MadCity election jungle. Bloombergs need to take another nap.

Unknown said...

They sound like bigots.

Roughcoat said...

"... the "hard working immigrant" who almost killed FDR in 1933."

On the plus side, he DID manage to fatally shoot Chicago mayor Anton Cermak, thereby performing a public service for the honest citizens of our fair city.

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Francisco D said...

Re: Third generation Mexican Americans

I grew up with several Mexican-American families in Chicago (East Rogers Park). Grandma and Grandpa typically moved from Mexico to Texas and spoke little English. Most had eight grade education and worked manual labor. Moms and Dads graduated HS and moved to Chicago for better work. They typically owned small businesses, had blue collar skills or worked mid-level clerical jobs.

The third generation typically went to college and went on to middle class or better white collar jobs. One friend did not speak any Spanish. My first job at age 14 was with a Mexican-American family printing company. One of my first girlfriends was the daughter of the owner. Her mom owned a beauty salon and she became a model. I would call that living the American Dream.

The college educated Mexican-American kids in my generation were typically liberal Democrats (for a while at least). Their parents voted Republican.

YMMV.

Roughcoat said...

At the start of every election cycle the media dutifully trot out stories about how the Latinos are increasingly turning conservative and planning to vote for Republican candidates. But comes election day they always vote in overwhelming numbers for the Democrats and their increasingly radical leftist/statist agenda. Same goes for the blacks and the Jews. Funny how that works. It's almost enough to make a guy like me bitter and cynical, and say things that will get him into trouble with the PC crowd.

Cubans are the exception, God bless 'em. I know several in the Chicago area. Two of them are Marines (one is a sniper, currently deployed), one is a detective with the CPD, one is a mortician, one is a neural surgeon, and one is a registered nurse. They came to America in an open boat, wretchedly impoverished, bumping up on the shore of Key West after a week at sea with two among them dead from exposure. They trust me, so they are not hesitant to express their hatred of all leftist ideologies and their disdain for all other Latinos (but Mexicans and Puerto Ricans in particular).

Danno said...

Michael K said..." My father told me the governor at the time stole half the money. An old Illinois story."

There is also the old saw, Every Illinois governor serves two terms, one in office and the other in prison.

Sigivald said...

Super white Portland, OR also went firmly for Clinton, surprising literally nobody who doesn't work in NYC pretending to do political analysis?

Iman said...

My wife is 3rd generation AMERICAN of Mexican descent, she has always voted Republican. Family members (on her side) living in SoCal and AZ are probably evenly split, but they don’t much like illegal immigrants, to put it lightly.

rcocean said...

Republicans seem to have trouble accepting reality when it comes to minorities Ike lost the Black vote 60-40 in 1956, and that was the HIGH POINT of Black support for the R President. Since 1932, African Americans have voted in overwhelming numbers for the D's, usually 75-25 or 80-20.

No R Presidential Candidate since Hoover (1928) has gotten a majority of the Jewish vote. That despite their support for Israel and the Jewish high income.

No R Presidential Candidate has gotten more than 35% of the Hispanic Vote since 1964.

The Asian Vote since 1980 has ALWAYS been majority D.

rcocean said...

Let in enough non-whites and the D will have a permanent majority. Just like they do in NYC and Calf. That's it -case closed. Do you realize how many people cast ballots in foreign language? Its over 10 million.

Nobody loved Amnesty, open borders, and Hispanics more than Johnny McCain. And he got 35% of their vote in 2008. And that includes Cubans. Bush II said his proudest moment was getting more black votes in Texas than any other R Governor. And guess what? He LOST The Black vote 70-30! And in 2000, when he ran for POTUS, he got 15% of the black vote.

Just face reality.

Anonymous said...

rcocean: Just face reality.

But rc, let me tell you about the admirable immigrants I grew up with and the lazy entitled white kids I know.** Don't ask me to think any more seriously about immigration than heart-warming personal anecdotes and conventional "conservative" wisdom c. 1995. (Oh, yeah, forgot, "conventional 'conservative' wisdom c. 1995" *is* pretty much all heart-warming anecdotes, wishful thinking, and rationalizations for my importing cheaper labor, legal and illegal.)


**I can do both, but don't consider that either constitutes a serious, thought-out response to the issue.

Roughcoat said...

Democrats are bound and determined to destroy our constitutional republic by hook, crook, and immigration.

Roughcoat said...

And establishment Republicans are in league with those Democrats.

Iman said...

It's no longer a requirement that immigrants be reasonably fluent in English before being granted citizenship?

narciso said...

twitter bans operation veritas and andy ngo, for crimethink,

Iman said...

Chambers of Commerce, eRepubs, BIG Bidness, the Left, MSM (BIRM)... all are components of a larger problem.

narciso said...

it's the statist, corporate government framework, which begins at the local level, where they have instituted a partial straw ban, in my little berg,

iowan2 said...

That map that shows election results by county in the United States? Just look at it. A Sea of RED. Look at the almost solid Red, with a blue dot. That's a college town. This is really not rocket science.

narciso said...

doubleunplusgood,


https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/25/twitter-suspends-andy-ngo-for-reporting-facts-about-trans-murders/

TJM said...

The majority of Dane County voters who voted for Clinton just show how braindead they are voting for an avaricious, grasping, prevaricating, soul-less woman, and a faux feminist who road her "husband's" coattails to power while destroying his victims. The folks in Dane County may be credentialled, but they are idiots.

narciso said...

here's a twist, the judge in the mcgahn case, ketanji brown Jackson, nominated by guess who, is related by marriage to paul ryan's brother in law, and needless to say, legally illiterate, of course she was a candidate to replace scalia, by Obama,

gilbar said...

Iman said...
It's no longer a requirement that immigrants be reasonably fluent in English?


It's NEVER been a requirement. The only immigrants that have to jump those old hoops
were the documented immigrants.
undocumented immigrants don't need english... neither do their CITIZEN children

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

What's next? Jeffr Zucker of CNn gonna run for preznit?

REally cool if you own the media.

Iman said...

My question was not about illegal immigrants, it was re: those playing by the rules.

DavidUW said...

Madison residents are 3/4 government/university affiliates, and 1/4 arrived from small town/suburban Wisconsin and don't work at the university or in government/affiliates.

Guess which group voted Trump.

Nichevo said...

Rcocean:

Same goes for the blacks and the Jews. Funny how that works. It's almost enough to make a guy like me bitter and cynical, and say things that will get him into trouble with the PC crowd.


A little dip into the Jewish question for you, or see. My family came over from Russia (actually as it happens Ukraine though they never considered themselves Ukrainian or Ukrainian Jews) in 1920-21, fleeing the Whites, the Reds, and the Cossacks. We're commie-haters. Mostly.

Vindman's family was fine and dandy with the commies. Or am I thinking of Yovanovich? In any case, if you didn't flee the commies but only fled the Nazis, your taste is a lot more questionable.

And if you STAYED FOR THE NAZIS, but only left in the 70s like Vindman and family...

WTF were you thinking?!?

Kirk Parker said...

Caligula,

"Will they now declare war on the secret ballot?"

Some states, like WA where I live, already have.

narciso said...

Well it wasnt easy to emigrate from ukraind, pre jackson vanik, but yes ukraine has a tortured history from petluea to holomodor to bandera and that was just in the last century.

Bunkypotatohead said...

Dane county is only 5% black. Obviously a den of racist bigots who overwhelmingly vote Democrat.

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Rusty said...

" but interestingly both now seem to think Trump might deserve censure"
They're pandering to you.