November 15, 2019

"When I owned Miss Universe, they always had great people. Ukraine was always well represented."

From Trump's first call to Zelensky, quoted in "Trump bragged about Miss Universe pageant — and didn’t mention corruption — in perfunctory first call to Ukraine president" (Daily News).

164 comments:

mccullough said...

I love that Trump on these calls talks like he does at his rallies.

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

Grabbing Schiff by the pussy.

Lucid-Ideas said...

"...owned miss universe..."

NO! They've got him now, and on a sexual slavery charge no less! Nooooooooo!

Drago said...

Oh no!! Trump has released ANOTHER call transcript!!

You know what this means in Steve Uhr-World?

Coverup!!!!eleventy1!1!!!11!!

Yancey Ward said...

What we really need is Schiff's analysis of the unspoken content of this phone call. I am sure all the rubes are just reading the explicit words spoken.

Drago said...

We all know that the real "evidence" of Trump corruption lies in that next document....or testimony.....or whatever.

Always, always, always the NEXT one.....

Never this one! Oh no. Heavens no!

The next one......

Beasts of England said...

Mentioning to a foreign leader a business he once owned is a clear violation of the emoluments clause.

Kevin said...

Everyone knows you need to establish the relationship before you get down to business.

Everyone not insane, that is.

narciso said...

Nunes reading it out, wasnt something they were expecting.

Lucid-Ideas said...

About 8 years ago I was in Kiev doing things and - complementary to Russia which I've also been to several times - came to the realization that Central Asia has a serious dichotomy. Why did God create some of the most beautiful women on earth and put them next to some of the ugliest alcoholic dudes on planet earth. I love Ukranian women. They wear 'always well represented'. Definitely their finest national resource.

AllenS said...

Just wait until the whistle blowers start blowing on their whistles!

Beasts of England said...

Sucking the air out of the narrative is also an impeachable offense. Trump is creating a constitutional crisis with his Tweets.

Drago said...

And, needless to say, Trump's release of the transcript of this first call with Zelensky blows the hack dem Ambassador's private testimony OUT OF THE WATER.

Again.

Unexpectedly.

LOLOLOL

The stupid stupid stupid feet-in-concrete slow-thinking unable to adapt dems really really believed that Trump would accept the advice of the dem holdovers in the NSC to not release these call transcripts allowing Schiff-ty and Pelosi and their deep state minions to go full Steele Dossier/Russia Collusion Hoax 7.0 on Trump.

They never thought for one second that Trump would release the transcripts.

And then he did.

Rapidly.

And this latest release right on top of the hack dem partisan corrupt Ambassador's testimony.

I thought Schiff-ty's already bug-eyed appearance was going to rapidly expand outward like a raging supernova and splatter the other panel members with whatever brain/fecal matter lies behind those bulging marbles.

narciso said...

I know even the ones who worked in departmemt stores and grocery stores look like models



https://mobile.twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1195370793141776384

Nonapod said...

Trump's gonna be Trump. In fairness, he's correct in his assessment of Ukrainian women. There seems to be a uncommon number of extremely attractive women from former Eastern Block countries.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

"Why did God create some of the most beautiful women on earth and put them next to some of the ugliest alcoholic dudes on planet earth."



"Well, the Ukraine girls really knock me out
They leave the west behind"

narciso said...

You know when wile e pushes the plunder ans it blows up?

narciso said...

The ones in the east have the germanic influence, the ones in the west look like olga kurylenko.

Lucid-Ideas said...

Being a young 30 something American with diplomatic immunity on official business in Kiev was like throwing fresh beef into a churning pool of hungry ravenous piranhas. I'm amazed my clothes survived unscathed considering the number of times they were practically ripped off of me.

P.S. English proficiency is actually quite good there...should you be interested in similar opportunities.

narciso said...

Plunger, you get the gist.

wild chicken said...

So, Roger Stone got caught by a perjury trap, eh?

Serves him right for shooting his mouth off.

narciso said...

Yes you cant fix stupid,

Lucid-Ideas said...

"Olga Kurylenko"

All of my want.

narciso said...

But randy credico, told craig murray, it was a specially stupid self inflicted move.

narciso said...

Just next door is where elena satine comes from in georgia magic city agents of shield, that x men spinoff.

narciso said...

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1194798232179597312.html

narayanan said...

Lucid-Ideas said...

"...owned miss universe..."

NO! They've got him now, and on a sexual slavery charge no less! Nooooooooo!
____________$$$$$$$$$$

= Trump >>>> I can get you a date with contestant if you will do this thing for me ....

Kit Carson said...

Strange Days indeed. first there was the twitterverse prairie fire i am spartacus moment, to wit, "I hired Donald Trump to fire people like Yovanovitch." which went viral in real-time, nationwide in minutes.

Then there was Trump getting inside the Dem's OODA loop. again an in real-time phenom, by tweeting the transcript of the 1st ukraine call while Yavanovich was ~weeping over her career interruptus. Trump tweeting while she was doing her progressives chatty Cathy thing. talk about your Faster Feiler thesis. this was that made both manifest and manifold right before your eyes.

Original Mike said...

Blogger narciso said..."Plunger, you get the gist."

I rarely get your gist.

narciso said...

I usually leave context clues, adam e schiff super genius (ma lld harvard, blew himself up)

traditionalguy said...

Many Ukraine girls partially have the Asian Mongol DNA that makes for an extreme female beauty with conquest on their minds.

Mark said...

Meanwhile Roger Stone will die in prison for obstruction.

Yet another person thrown under the Donald Trump bus.

narciso said...

If you remember the movie havkers
Ckers where fisher stevens got in over his head, against johnny lee miller.

narciso said...

Hackers, thats a little of what it was like.

Sally327 said...

I assume Trump is referring to the organizers of that country's pageant and not especially to the contestants themselves. What he meant by "great people" makes more sense in that context, the planners, the ones behind the scenes making it work.

Yancey Ward said...

Stone got himself thrown in jail, Mark- had nothing to do with Trump. I followed Stone's tweets during the Summer and Fall of 2016- he never once predicted anything accurate about Wikileaks' releases, not once. It should have been obvious to anyone that Stone was a bullshitting about having an in with Assange, but even Mueller and his 'brilliant' team believed Stone and spent months trying to prove it. Stone's problem was that he kept right on telling lies about it all, then lied to cover up the lies. He wouldn't be in jail today if he had just admitted 2 years ago that he was full shit and lying in his tweets.

traditionalguy said...

Ukrainian girls are the Tartar sauce of the great female race.

Lucid-Ideas said...

Interesting psychographic info about Ukraine for the curious:

- Ukrainians & Russians have a serious 'frenemy' kind of relationship. Most people don't realize that A) they don't actually speak the same language (although most Ukrainians are bilingual Russian and Ukrainian) and B) they believe they are the original cradle of 'Russian Civilization' (Kievan Rus) such as it is and most feel quite proud of this, and angry at Russia for being such dolts.

- 'Holodomor' - Ukrainians harbor serious grudges with Russians over this Stalin era extermination. It's not a passing reference to history for them. Every Ukrainian alive today can trace their ancestry to someone who died during the starvation.

- Crimea and Chernobyl - Many Ukrainians feel like they're doomed to continue paying the costs for the Soviet era and that unlike other USSR Republics the burden of this history continues to land more unfairly on them. It's not entirely perceptually wrong. Ukrainians aren't opposed to Russia operating their Black Sea fleet from Crimea (it provides and economic boost) but they also don't want to suffer anymore unintended consequences from Russian presence or influence.

- Nato - contrary to popular belief, most Ukrainians DO NOT want to join NATO. Nor do they wish to be in the sphere of influence of Russia, even though they acknowledge this is likely impossible. Most Ukrainians, if asked which country they admire most, would say Switzerland...no joke.

- Ukraine is still the breadbasket of Central Asia. Soviet mechanization investments in agriculture there produced dividends 1000 fold. Incredibly productive if properly managed, which unfortunately these days it is not.

narciso said...

Indeed lucid, theres also the catholic orthodox dichotomy at work, theres petlura the holomodor, then the oun and their relations with the nazis, and our owm government it turns out, their successors swoboda, who were in the last ukrainian cabinet

narciso said...

Thats why we must tread carefully in that region that the russians have fought 6 wars over.

eric said...

I'm waiting to see Ann's take on today's "witness" and how she feels about it.

It seems to me the purpose of today's eyewitness account of the evil things Trump has done is meant to emotionally manipulate. Especially the women.

I think Althouse is a good weather vane for this.

If it works on Althouse, it was probably effective. If it doesn't, the Dems blew their chance to get Trump, once again.

Yancey Ward said...

For those who didn't follow the Stone case- here is a summary:

Throughout the general election campaign, Stone kept making predictions about when and what Wikileaks would release, and he communicated this to other people in the Trump Campaign, including Steve Bannon. He got all of the true predictions wrong- literally every one of them- the only ones that were correct were the ones where Wikileaks had already posted their own tweets about what was coming- in other words, Stone was reading what everyone else was reading and passing it off as inside information. He lied over and over on his Twitter feed. Indeed, Stone became an inside joke with the right leaning blogosphere by October 2016 due to all the missed predictions and the fake predictions.

Of course, Mueller and his high IQ team bought the story about Stone really having an inside source at Wikileaks, and spent a considerable amount of time and money trying to prove that Stone was the conduit between Wikileaks and the Trump Campaign. At that time, Stone decided to start lying about his real relationship with Wikileaks, and he tried to pass Jerome Corsi and Randy Credico off as his link to Wikileaks- he also lied about his attempts to contact Wikileaks to get real inside information, and he concealed those attempts. He also put a considerable amount of pressure to get Credico to back up the stories Stone was telling Congress and the Mueller investigation.

Here is how Stone should have handled this: when questioned, he should have just admitted that he had no inside link to Wikileaks- he should have just released all the e-mails and texts showing how he tried and failed to get such inside information from Wikileaks- Wikileaks repeatedly gave him the brush off. Credico told him as much when Stone was trying to get Credico to lie- Credico basically told him the lies he was telling were ridiculous and pointless- risking so much for practically no benefit that any sane person could detect.

Now, I think there is a good chance that Stone will win a reversal on most of the charges on appeal- most of his lies are pretty immaterial since only a moron would have believed Stone's original claims about being a guy in the know. The one area, though, where the conviction is likely to stick is where he definitely tried to suborn perjury from Credico.

narciso said...

Say what?


https://www.frontlinesnews.com/2019/11/10/pope-francis-world-government-must-rule-u-s-for-their-own-good-2.html

Lucid-Ideas said...

@Narciso

"catholic v orthodox"

Yes, didn't forget that one but I could go on and on with the psychographics...

One more thing for the curious. Hospitality. And this is a micro-personal thing. If you ever travel to Russia or Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Bulgaria et al DO DO DO endeavor to get yourself invited by a local family to dinner.

I have been all over the world and I never experienced such honored hospitality, or such gracious hosts, or such a phenomenal feast as I experienced in there. It's a cultural thing with its own set of rules and codes and it is a very serious thing as families feel how they treat guests reflects on their character. For Russians and Ukrainians et al they also feel that in a world that is unpredictable like it is where they live it is one of the few things they can control.

Be prepared with gifts, to eat till you can't stand, to drink till you fall down, and be introduced to their daughters.

Ralph L said...

"Good looking women you got there. Shame if anything happened to them."

Impeachable?

Char Char Binks said...

If the first word out of Trump’s mouth in his first call with Zelensky, before “hello”, wasn’t “corruption”, he was up to no good. IMPEACH!

Tommy Duncan said...

Blogger Nonapod said...

"There seems to be a uncommon number of extremely attractive women from former Eastern Block countries."

Xenia Onatopp comes to mind...

narciso said...

Yes but shes swedish, not from the caucasus.

robother said...

"Me leaving the Miss Universe contestants behind was the hardest thing they'd ever experienced."

Iman said...

“You know what this means in Steve Uhr-World?“

Happy Hour drinks all around, Uhr is buying.

Yancey Ward said...

Xenia Onatopp comes to mind...

LOL! On serious note, though- I remember the first time I saw Famke Janssen- it was in an episode of Star Trek TNG in which she played an alien who is supposed to be irresistably attractive to the males. I thought that it was probably one of the best cast choices ever made in any show.

Beasts of England said...

My comment at 10:43 was meant as satire, but it has morphed into reality in less then two hours. Wow.

Bay Area Guy said...

Stone is a loose canon, but he's our loose canon, despite his highly distasteful behavior.

Trump should commute the sentence, but after the 2020 election.

Iman said...

Blogger narciso said..."Plunger, you get the gist."

Original Mike: “I rarely get your gist.“

And that’s a shame... many gems to be found.

Iman said...

“Many Ukraine girls partially have the Asian Mongol DNA that makes for an extreme female beauty with conquest on their minds”

Leaves me with a bad case of genghisitis.

Yancey Ward said...

Beasts,

I just read it as a likely accurate prediction. This world can't be parodied any longer.

Michael K said...

I love Ukranian women. They wear 'always well represented'. Definitely their finest national resource.

A friend of mine, who should have known better, married a Ukranian woman about 20 years ago. She had a 13 year old son. It was a huge mistake. Looks are not everything. I don't think he knew her at all before the deed.

Yancey Ward said...

I thought I would post some support for my Roger Stone comment above-

Here is someone who is no Trump fan by any measure telling you why Stone was convicted and what it actually means about the Russian Hoax investigation. Good luck getting such a succinct description of the meaning from anyone in the DNC media.

Yancey Ward said...

I have never worn a Ukranian beauty. Probably my loss.

Michael K said...

Mark said...
Meanwhile Roger Stone will die in prison for obstruction.

Yet another person thrown under the Donald Trump bus.


Are there two Marks around here ? One stupid and one not?

Stone is a fool and joker that followed Trump around. He had no role at all.

Michael K said...

If it works on Althouse, it was probably effective. If it doesn't, the Dems blew their chance to get Trump, once again.

It seems to have worked on Chris Wallace who is emoting about her tragic fate.

What a pussy !

tim maguire said...

I have mixed feelings about the Roger Stone conviction. He's guilty. He's not a victim, he's not a good guy.

But we all know he wasn't convicted for his crimes, he was convicted for being associated with Donald Trump. Political operators are all guilty of these sorts of crimes. That's not ok, and it should be cleaned up. But if the only ones who pay the price are the ones associated with Trump or with Republicans, then the only effect will be that Republican presidents will not be able to attract the best talent. Which means this selective swamp draining will not help the country. Quite the opposite.

Shouting Thomas said...

I heartily approve of having a president who enjoys and patronizes world class tits!

Stop the impeachment! This is precisely what we need!

narciso said...

the sdny swamp rats are also going after guiliani, for the same reason, they are investigating privat in Delaware courts, fwiw,

narciso said...

I didn't recall that episode of tng, which is rare,

DavidUW97 said...

I went through my Ukrainian phase years ago.

They’re amazing

But not for long term use. Kind of like an Italian car. Beautiful, unreliable, with “quirks”

Original Mike said...

"And that’s a shame... many gems to be found."

I'll take your word for it. I find his purposeful opaqueness not worth my effort.

narciso said...

kingpin, john brennan, for those without the rosetta,


Your comments reflect the despicable nature of your character, hate & fear of our foreign service officers & desperation to protect your corrupt & criminal acts. Your efforts to intimidate will fail. May your downfall be swift, your penalty onerous, & your legacy condemned by all

narciso said...

abusing female representatives is only not for unpersons,


https://t.co/sMrzweKOVe

Lucid-Ideas said...

Maybe like a week ago or longer Ann had a post about Fight Club and a quote from a writer talking about "acrobatic sex and emotional neglect".

With Ukrainian girls boy howdy...the 'acrobaticness', not the emotional neglect I mean (but I'll get into that).

They're like Japanese Katanas. Flexible in all the right places to prevent breakage but razor sharp where they need to be. I have endeavored to fuck one in half and have failed numerous times. If they were a gun, they'd be a marriage of an AK47 and German G3, completely reliable with all the German engineering and just plain damn reliable.

Emotional neglect - they're not cuddlers/snugglers. They view that and spooning as 'unmasculine' so don't feel put out if it actually turns out they're 'emotionally neglecting' you (yes...we men have feelings from time to time), but don't worry it's not they don't love you, they just need rest before another acrobatic session.

Stuff of champions. Just remember, marry them and get 'emotional' and you run a risk of them turning 'babushka'. Maintain your male frame and let them maintain theirs. Do not so at your peril. Stuff of champions but stuff of predators as well.

narciso said...

in other news, a chechen based Islamic state warlord was arrested in the Kyiv oblast today.

Skylark said...

Roger Stone is going to prison for getting Mueller’s hopes up that they had Trump on "collusion.” He said they were colluding, but he was lying.

exhelodrvr1 said...

One thing that really jumps out from these hearings is the difference in overall quality between the Democratic representatives and the Republican representatives. Absolutely night and day.

Iman said...

“ But not for long term use. Kind of like an Italian car. Beautiful, unreliable, with “quirks”. “

As a happy owner of several Fiat and Abarth sports cars, I condemn that contention!

narciso said...

now why would a chechen warlord be hiding out in eastern Ukraine, well therein lies the tale, of how they were enlisted by the post maidan govt to fight the Russians, if that sounds like a plan that could go pearshaped, you win a prizw,

Bill, Republic of Texas said...

I love Ukranian women.

I hear ya brother. I worked over there for about 5 years and married a Ukrainian woman. Best thing I ever did.

narciso said...

Caleb Hull on Twitter:
"Adam Schiff tried his hardest to keep Elise Stefanik from saying this: "Obama's own State Department was so concerned about potential conflicts of interest from Hunter Biden's role at Burisma that they raised it themselves while prepping this wonderful ambassador nominee."

there is no (facts) allowed in the (hearing room)

Michael K said...

Roger Stone is going to prison for getting Mueller’s hopes up that they had Trump on "collusion.” He said they were colluding, but he was lying.

You don't mess around with Inspector Javert.

narciso said...

someone pointed out, that Stefanik, likely approved the visas for the delegation that showed up at trump tower in june of 2016, remember there was an aid licensed translator on staff,

Sheridan said...

Original Mike - I've often thought of Narciso as a Steven Hawking type, surgically patched into a mainframe IBM computer and thus capable of providing arcane details and examples in nano seconds to any topic under discussion. Narciso - no disrespect intended.

madAsHell said...

The latest talking points are pointing to Trump's twitter account, and how he's intimidating witnesses......to the impeachment inquiry which only follows rules of jurisprudence when convenient.

Kirk Parker said...

Lucid,

I will take your word for it as regards Ukrainian women, but *not* your geography. "Central Asia"?

(No disrespect meant to the women of Samarkand or Almaty; I'm sure they're cute, too.)

narciso said...

none taken, positronic circuitry is on line, now this issue is some what a personal interest to me, for one day, my place of birth will be free, although it feels like 'the little lie sometimes, and I would rather not have a bunch of ex communist apparatchiks in brioni suits, lording over it, but that seems to be the pattern,

Unknown said...

Telephone ringing it would not stop
It was President Trump calling me up
He said my friend Bob, what do we need to make the country grow?
I said my friend Don, Oleksandra Nikolayenko, Міс України, Yulia Linova

Kirk Parker said...

Sheridan, OMike,

Isn't it the case that English is not narciso's first language?

narciso, what say you?

narciso said...

no that's the first one I learned at home, but I do observe ee cummings rules on punctuation,

Ken B said...

Erdogan has insulted Trump by physically returning Trump's letter of warning. This is a humiliation for Trump and the USA.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/470559-turkish-media-paints-white-house-visit-as-erdogan-triumph-over-trump

How long before The Althouse Trumpkin Choir sing of joys of licking Turkish spittle?

Erdogan was starting to lose support internally, but Trump's Syrian screw ups have give him a huge boost in prestige.

narciso said...

the same Turkish media, that was khashoggi khashoggi all the time, up to the time Lindsay was in Ankara back in January, because Qatar in addition to buying their own arms industry, is buying half of south Carolina?

narciso said...


Ratcliffe just pressed Yovanovitch on Burisma/Hunter Biden. She tried to dodge the questions but admitted that the arrangement between the vice president's son and a corrupt Ukrainian company could pose a conflict of interest.

narciso said...

that was from Julie Kelly, one of the few practicing journalists, instead rizzotto tray bearers,

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

Is that illegal? Everything Trump does is illegal! Nobody is above the law!

narciso said...

Turkey is an enemy of Russia and Syria, an ally of Qatar and Iran, you can't look at one level of the board,

Robert Cook said...

"I love that Trump on these calls talks like he does at his rallies."

You love that he talks like a nitwit when he speaks to other world leaders?

Ken B said...

Shorter narcisco: mmmmm, Tastes good.

narciso said...

try not to act too stupid, I know you'll fail in the attempt, but try anyways,

https://www.nordicmonitor.com/2019/11/qatar-was-in-panic-over-turkish-base-during-failed-military-coup-in-turkey/

eric said...

Blogger Robert Cook said...
"I love that Trump on these calls talks like he does at his rallies."

You love that he talks like a nitwit when he speaks to other world leaders?

11/15/19, 1:41 PM


He speaks like he always does. He doesn't use one voice for them and another for us. He gives us the respect we deserve by treating everyone the same.

Yeah, you don't like him. So you don't like the way he talks. Either to us or to world leaders.

But many of us are tired of two faced politicians and it's a breath of fresh air to see that Trump is always Trump. Whether in public or private.

Iman said...

The bespectacled fatfuck over Yovanovich’s left shoulder looked concerned during Ratcliffe’s questioning.

Heck is angry 😡 about Yovanovich’s removal. A reminder: Obama fired each and every one of GWB’s ambassadors upon his election in 2008.

Iman said...

Teh soothing sounds of Kenny B...

Ralph L said...

One thing that really jumps out from these hearings is the difference in overall quality between the Democratic representatives and the Republican representatives

When they heard "Intelligence Committee", they assumed that that was where it was doled out.

When I worked for a Beltway Bandit in the 80's, the Dems officially controlled the HPSCI, but Cheney seemed to be the power behind the Chairman (Lee Hamilton).

Michael K said...

Cook prefers Alger Hiss doing all his contacts with foreign leaders, like Stalin.

narciso said...

Heh lman, or john kerry or fulton armstrong google them

Iman said...

Schiff is sure giving comedian Tom Shillue a wealth of material...

narciso said...

Yes cheney was a sharp one, of course hamilton was a lefty hack, hence the 9/11 commission, the iraq study group and the obama nsc (rhodes mcdonough et al)

Milwaukie guy said...

I used to go to gallery openings in Chicago's Ukie Village. Always Ukrainian and Russian artists in Chicago.

A lot of the guys looked like mobsters, Tony Soprano in expensive track suits. On their arm would invariably be a stunning blonde, in her heels often towering over her escort. Like all the time.

We figured the Ukies & Russians weren't letting babushka ladies emigrate.

Iman said...

Jordan gives Schiff a swift - and well deserved - kick in his raisins.

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

Robert Cook - Not talking like a nitwit all these decades really worked. *not! - why not try it?

Beats using Ukraine as an American tax money laundering scheme for Joe Biden's cokehead son.
Or hillary - she can money grub any nation willing to listen to Bill drone on.

narciso said...

Oh voya already has a go fund me page, buy the same people who set one up for christine ford.

Milwaukie guy said...

Mongol DNA? Another case of yellow fever.

Skeptical Voter said...

Wait until Adam Schiff reads a fantasy "script" for a Trump tweet--"Nice pair of gams you got there Doll. Would be a shame to have to break them."

Schiff has overdosed on 1930's gangster movies.

narciso said...


Heh:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2on4tmiIXTaLpJS0BvflatW75UBDMziz-ntb9jhibMOnps-qO3PpemUm0&v=TALXTseuqXI

JaimeRoberto said...

My wife is from Slovakia, another Slavic country. At our wedding in my wife's hometown, my sister remarked, "The women here are gorgeous, but what's up with the men? They look like a bunch of toads." Genetics work in strange ways.

Browndog said...

Blogger narciso said...

Oh voya already has a go fund me page, buy the same people who set one up for christine ford.


It looks like dems are using GoFundMe to launder payoffs.

Lucid-Ideas said...

@Milwaukee Guy

100% spot on. Total Jersey Shore. When I was in the region (there...not Chicago) I learned (and this might come of as offensive considering the broad generalization) that:

Russian Men - They essentially regard any woman that isn't their sister or mother as a whore (aka having a price). Very chauvinistic and patriarchal, but very sweet and caring once she's hitched to him. This actually included extra-marital relationships as in once you do the 'I do' you both are expected to stick to your vows (i.e. frowned upon). In the Russian 'Thieves World' family is considered a liability. Have your fun but don't get to attached to that piece of arm candy, you might not be around.

Russian Women - The ultimate job of a woman is to be a wife and mother. Anything less than this can be classified as 'unsuccessful'. What a woman must do to achieve this doesn't really matter, so long as it gets done. Giving herself a 'price' is considered unfortunate but a girls got to do what a girls got to do.

I've done a lot of travelling in ME too (KSA, UAE, Oman, Qatar, etc.) and you'd see a lot of these girls (Uki, Rus) running around. You know why they're there. Got into an interesting conversation with one in Dubai one night while I was attending IDEX and straight up asked her about it. I was actually shocked. She wasn't there to make money, she was there to find a husband! She'd resolved that if she was going to be a wife and mother she'd prefer her and her kids be kept as a member of some sheiks harem than growing up back home in Donetsk. I really didn't know what to say. She was shockingly beautiful and in the USA, Germany or UK she could've had any man she wanted and probably treated quite a bit better (arabs treat women like shit...duh).

She offered to go upstairs with me but I don't pay for sex. She was a also probably a honeypot. What a bummer.

PJ57 said...

I miss the days when the President of Ukraine was Yulia Tymoshenko. There is a president I could get behind.

Iman said...

Va-va-VOOM, PJ57!!!

BUMBLE BEE said...

Being a longtime fan of both Slip Mahoney and Norm Crosby, I find narciso quite understandable.

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

Did the D's bring Blasey-Ford into testify yet? I'm sure she was in on the phone call too.

buwaya said...

Narciso supplies the bulk of the open source intelligence and analysis to be had on Althouse. And thats the only way for us groundlings to even approach the general vicinity of some idea of whats going on, to try be an open-source foreign intelligence analyst.

All praise to narciso.

steve uhr said...

Drago your sounding more unhinged than usual. Relax .. have a drink .. go bowling .. it will all be over soon.

buwaya said...

You do have to have some background in the world view, to "get" the implications and the probable locations where each bit of the puzzle narciso gives us belongs.

buwaya said...

You know that media trope (that word properly used!) of the mad conspiracy theorist with a cork board full of newspaper clippings, and push pins connected with a network of colored strings?

Yes, they look mad and silly. And yet that is the only sane approach to a world full of secrets.

fleg9bo said...

The wife used to know a Russian mail-order bride from some volunteer work she did or a class or something. Hubby was older and affluent, natch. We ran into them at an airport one time and she did, indeed, sport those Slavic good looks. They seemed a happy couple.

Drago said...

steve uhr: "Drago your sounding more unhinged than usual."

Hoax collusion/hoax dossier/ hoax gang rape/ hoax quid pro quo/ hoax bribery moron sez wat?

Iman said...

"Relax .. have a drink..."

He would, but some asshole lost the infamous "Happy Hour" case...

Lucid-Ideas said...

@Buwaya

"...cork board full of newspaper clippings, and push pins connected with a network of colored strings?"

It's almost like religion. The 'mad consipiracy theorist' is the madman trying to figure everything out so he can preserve his life (and his sanity) except he's forgotten that his life doesn't matter and his sanity doesn't either so long as he can keep it while focusing on the prize in a world filled with crap. And sometimes the prize isn't all it's measured up to be, and it's a let-down, and you get demoralized.

They don't number many, but the world is filled with some very very intelligent evil people. I sound like Sherlock Holmes describing Moriarty. They exist. Psychologically intelligence doesn't provide the buffer (it's a good buffer fyi) people think it does. 99% of all humans on earth just want to live and have a bit of status within the networks that are important to them (which incidentally continue to grow in size which is worrisome) but some people aren't satisfied with such a compromise.

In a 'world full of secrets' the answer is self-evident, trust the nation and its objectives. The institutions can fall around you but as long as the underlying premise of why they were created (a la Chesterton's Fence) remain, they can be rebuilt albeit with the rot stopped and cleaned out. The USA wasn't anything before WWI and WWII, and then it got a giant bullseye painted on it by every jealous and powerful crazy on Earth. That was inevitable, despite all the help we gave them.

There are lots of stars on the wall at Langley. They sometimes looked mad and silly as a san approach to dealing with a world full of secrets, and died for it.

walter said...

87k a month probably made Hunter quite the bon vivant in Ukraine, assuming he spent any time there.

Unknown said...

It's 6PM.

Do you know where your IG report is?

Milwaukie guy said...

During the short time this old man was on Match, some 20-something emailed me from Russia. Curious, I emailed her back, where in Russia are you, can I have more pictures of you?

She told me she lived in Siberia. I told her that many American men have figured out the Russian bride scam, five years and half the house. Wouldn't she better off trolling German guys?

Milwaukie guy said...

In my design firm I had a very nationalist Ukrainian-American assistant account executive. At lunch we would talk world politics and such but always insisted, No Nukies for Ukies.

Michael K said...

Blogger steve uhr said...
Drago your sounding more unhinged than usual. Relax .. have a drink .. go bowling .. it will all be over soon.


Yes, there is considerable speculation on when Nancy pulls the plug.

narciso said...

two weeks, is the standard refrain, this ig report is like one of dr. doolittles mythical creatures, like the Puyallup, they say it exists but it's a conjuring of magic and rumor,

rhhardin said...

The strap broke on my Crocs just as the soles were about to wear through. That's hundred year surrey quality.

narciso said...

and thanks for the compliments, buwaya, it's rather striking that what passes for intelligence resembles wormold's bag of fake leads, which in turn were based on practices graham greene observed when he was stationed in Portugal,

Drago said...

Iman: "He would, but some asshole lost the infamous "Happy Hour" case..."

Indeed.

Steve Uhr also is very concerned othees might recall his many many previous failed conspiracy fever dreams.

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

Obama Fired All Bush Appointed Ambassadors In 2008

This is why I am disappointed in Trump.
He had all the time in the world to do this. He also should have perused Hillary to the hilt for her criminal acts. She was never brought to justice.

narciso said...

if snl was still interested in satire,


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/11/15/marie-yovanovitch-compares-herself-to-diplomats-killed-in-benghazi/

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

Now Hillary's Brennen deep state is chipping away.

narciso said...

because republican office members are presumed illegitimate, in the 80s there was a conflict over appointees like Robert white, who wanted the guerillas to win, because he had gone native, he was replaced by deane hinton, who the likes of joan Didion stared daggers over,

and you've seen how much caterwailling there was over the officials trump did ask to resign,

wholelottasplainin' said...

narciso said...
two weeks, is the standard refrain, this ig report is like one of dr. doolittles mythical creatures, like the Puyallup, they say it exists but it's a conjuring of magic and rumor,
*****************

It's rumored that Dr. Doolittle goes both ways with the Pushmi-Pullyu.

just sayen

Bay Area Guy said...

I had a Serbian girlfriend in college, not Ukranian. Does that count? Isn't Serbia in NATO and somewhat close to Ukraine? She was totally Americanized, really beautiful and really talented. Easily my favorite ex-girlfriend. She did not grow into an old fussbucket like Yovanovitch, that's for sure.

Bay Area Guy said...

From CBS:

Stewart: Do you have any information regarding the president of the United States accepting any bribes?
Yovanovitch: No.

Stewart: Do you any have information regarding any criminal activity that the president of the United States has been involved with at all?
Yovanovitch: No.

Game over.

narciso said...

just a coincidence, im sure,


https://twitter.com/BenKTallmadge/status/1195436543839571970?s=20

narciso said...

well what does he suggest alternatively,

https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/15/heres-how-impeachment-helps-democrats-even-if-they-fail/

narciso said...


well that's not suspicious at all:

https://twitter.com/GOP/status/1195433746029264896

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

steve uhr said...
Drago your sounding more unhinged than usual.


I too have become deeply concerned regarding Drago. Although never an especially coherent thinker, in recent months his responses have degenerated significantly, becoming more scattered and dependent on a steadily decreasing set of cliches. In an older person there would be an obvious medical explanation. In Drago's case I think he is experiencing increasing internal conflict as his beliefs diverge ever more starkly from objective facts. This diverts scarce cognitive resources from his communicative functions resulting in the mosaic of nonsense that he now regularly produces.

Michael K said...

She was totally Americanized, really beautiful and really talented..

So, no moustache I guess.

Michael K said...

the mosaic of nonsense that he now regularly produces.

Says the expert in nonsense. Do you plan to contribute to the Brennan defense fund ?

Michael K said...

This is why I am disappointed in Trump.
He had all the time in the world to do this.


The problem is that 90% of the FSOs are NeverTrumpers. Also Bush haters and Reagan haters etc,.

narciso said...

so this is a 'sound and fury, signifying nothing, told by an idiot' or what the Nazgul vomits up,

I wish the questions were more pointed, like what happened to the money lost that required privat bank to be nationalized,

Bay Area Guy said...

Our friend Drago is "garnering" concern trolls.

Perhaps "engendering" is the more apt word, but I don't want to be attacked by feminists.

No, Doc K she did not have a mustache which in general is and should be a deal breaker. If one's girlfriend looks like Leonid Brezhnev, that isn't good.

It's Friday night - time to get a few beers with the guys. No more blogging!

Drago said...

ARM: "I too have become deeply concerned regarding Drago."

Very very touching.

Obviously.

Of course, all my concern, and all of yours I'm sure, has got to be directed at the courageous former Ambassador Yovanovitch whose astonishing and incredible bravery includes those moments during Embassy parties where she has, at times, had to wait for up to 5 minutes (!!) for additional jumbo shrimp to arrive, and sometimes there wasn't enough cocktail sauce to go with those jumbo shrimp!!

My God.

MY GOD.

Thoughts and prayers as our delicate former Ambassador takes the memory of those fabulous state-funded cocktail parties with her as she matriculates thru her newest "dangerous" sinecure at Georgetown.

I'm sure everyone joins me in those good wishes.

Drago said...

And of course, for ARM's benefit: "The Walls Are Closing In!" and "You don't know what random non-witness "witnesses" know!!"

Hope that helps.

Drago said...

ARM, you must have seen some of the hearings today.

How did that make you feel? How did that make your family feel?

Is everyone ok?

Howard said...

Drago's fine. He's just matching the shrill pleadings of the TDS folks on the left. I only become concerned for Drago when he gets serious.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Drago said...
ARM, you must have seen some of the hearings today.


I didn't see any but have caught a bit since I got home. I think it went very well for the president.

narciso said...

Those bowls of stroganoff are dangerous dont you know.

Drago said...

I do give ARM credit for abandoning his amazingly tone-deaf "great awakening" ploy which, needless to say, was going over about as well the typical HoaxPPT economic comment or Howard going Full Norm Crosby.

ARM's willingness to move off an obviously dumb lefty narrative puts him at the head of the Dem Dummy Class.

So he has that going for him...which is nice.

Drago said...

ARM: "I think it went very well for the president."

Uh, ya think?

Question: Ambassador Yovanovitch, were you a party to anything that happened that is under review?

Ans: No, but I was sad about being let go.

Question: Isnt it true Hunter Bidens role at Burisma was of concern to the obama admin?

Ans: Yes

Question: When Ukrainian officials were colluding with the democrats to influence the 2016 election did you say anything to anyone about how that might be inappropriate?

Ans: Nope!

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan said...

Norm Crosby said...
When you go into court you are putting your fate into the hands of twelve people who weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty.


Looking forward to the trial in the Senate.

Drago said...

ARM: "Looking forward to the trial in the Senate."

LOL

Sure you are. Sure you are.

Drago said...

Uh oh lefties.....

Trump is surging with suburban women!

Better utilize the "In Case Of Increased Suburban Women Support For Trump-Break Glass" tactic.

STAT!

Michael K said...

I'm just waiting for all that evidence that Schiff was holding back.

It's getting time for that dump of all that evidence. Right ARM ?

Drago said...

"Top Democrats privately concede major shift in public opinion on impeachment is unlikely"
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/11/14/politics/democratic-impeachment-strategy/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fpjmedia.com%2Ftrending%2Ftop-democrats-concede-theyre-losing-the-impeachment-battle%2F

Cue Sad Trombone


Drago said...

Cant the dems come up with a new and improved, focus group tested, fake crime that can capture the attention of Americans?

Spoiler: No