October 15, 2019

I don't believe that a "Man walks out of San Francisco art gallery with Salvador Dali painting worth $20K."

But that's an NBC headline. I'm just going to guess that NBC doesn't know the difference between a painting a print. A Salvador Dali painting isn't going to cost so little. A Dali print might sell for that. Whether it's worth so much is open to question.

Here's ABC News: "Brazen thief caught on camera with stolen Salvador Dali etching 'Burning Giraffe' from San Francisco gallery." Key word: "etching." It's a print. How many copies of Dali's etching "Burning Giraffe" are there?

And, actually, that print seems to be called "Surrealistic Bullfight — Burning Giraffe."

Dali had a burning giraffe in a painting called "Burning Giraffe," and "Dalí first used the burning giraffe image in his 1930 film L'Âge d'Or (The Golden Age). It appears again in 1937 in the painting The Invention of Monsters. Dalí described this image as 'the masculine cosmic apocalyptic monster.' He believed it to be a premonition of war."

So let's not get too confused about the burning giraffe.

Here's the original (and incredibly dumb) appearance of Dali's burning giraffe in "L'Âge d'Or":



Here's a 1998 article from the NYT, "Putting Some Order To All the Dali Prints, Both Real and Fake":
''Le more confusion is more better,'' said Salvador Dali, charming his devotees and laying down a formidable challenge to posterity. His dizzying output of nearly 2,000 graphics, often executed with workshop artisans and widely faked by a flourishing counterfeiting industry, has left art dealers, collectors and law enforcement agents agonizing over what is an authentic Dali print....

For more than 40 years, [Albert] Field, a teacher, mountain climber, art scholar, singer, nudist and devoted Dalinian, has worked to reduce the confusion, cataloguing the thousands of authentic works and fakes...

He debunked accounts that the ailing Dali had undermined the integrity of his own work by signing thousands of blank sheets in the early 1980's. ''This is a lie spread by crooks,'' Mr. Field said. ''When he signed a blank, it was accounted for by his lawyers.''
Oh? Okaaaay. Lawyers. I get it. "Crooks" are lying, but he did sign blanks, but he had lawyers.
But he said unscrupulous associates and even Dali's wife, Gala, took advantage of his infirmities by signing dubious deals for unsupervised publication of his works, opening the way to widespread fakery.

It is Dali's great popularity and marketability that have made him irresistible to art forgers, Mr. Field said, especially since Dali often left it to artisans to make the printing plates for reproducing his work by lithography, relief, intaglio or seri graphy. Thus, he said, aside from paintings, not all Dalis can be called original.

Others are what Mr. Field calls ''cooperative prints,'' a phrase that makes some other experts cringe. But Mr. Field said that such a print could be ''genuine'' if not ''original'' if three conditions were met: the artist intended his original to be turned into a print, supervised the process and signed the result....

40 comments:

Narr said...

Special effects have come a long way!

FWIW Orwell loathed Dali.

Narr
SD and I share a birthday

Ignorance is Bliss said...

For more than 40 years, [Albert] Field, a... devoted Dalinian, has worked to reduce the confusion...

If he was such a devoted Dalinian, wouldn't he work to increase the confusion?

Ken B said...

Fake Dali is better Dali.

JMW Turner said...

Any art created after circa 1900 is conceptual bullshit.

tcrosse said...

Man walks out of San Francisco art gallery is almost as good a setup as Man walks into a bar.

Chris M said...

What an item sells for, determines its worth.

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

just giraffes? No Dali llamas?

Temujin said...

Good timing. My wife and I are taking Friday off to go to the Dali Museum in St. Pete. (FL). It houses the largest collection of Dali art outside of Europe. Which, reading through the few comments above, may not be a claim to anything good. I went there about 20 years ago when they had a small, unremarkable building. The current museum is beautiful, larger, and supposedly well done.

I noted on their website that they have a current exhibit to view Dali via AR. So people will be standing there, viewing Dali's art through an app on their phones, trying to gain a deeper meaning and, if possible, some animation, in those paintings.

Hell, in college we did that with posters of his art and a little orange pill.

Lucien said...

What’s wrong with the news media these days? I expect a complete lack of journalistic standards when President Trump is being denigrated, but has the rot spread to not knowing the difference between an etching and a painting? Is the lack of critical thinking gone so far that no one questions the idea of a$20,000 Dali painting?

This is all Trump’s fault, isn’t it?

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

They did say "print" in the video. because yeah - an original original would be worth a ton more.

Fernandistein said...

Interesting Dali sketches and drawings including the stolen one (about 20 to the right...)

Left Bank of the Charles said...

If there were thousands or even hundreds of blank prints or canvasses with Dali's signature, someone would be selling some on ebay. They aren't. If Dali signed blank prints before they were printed, the printer would have had every incentive at that time to print Dali's work on it, rather than a forgery. But let's say you did have a forged Dali with a real signature, might not that now be worth more than an original print?

Phidippus said...

I agree. What Dali painting is worth $20K?

They must think we're idiots, the stuff they print.

gilbar said...

Lucien said...
What’s wrong with the news media these days? I expect a complete lack of journalistic standards when President Trump is being denigrated, but has the rot spread to not knowing the difference between an etching and a painting? Is the lack of critical thinking gone so far that no one questions the idea of a$20,000 Dali painting?


I think the rot is So Deep; that most journalists don't know, and couldn't recognize, the difference between Adderall and Ritalin.

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

Admit it-- There's something humbling about walking out of a San Fran art gallery, masterpiece in hand, and slipping on a pile of excrement and needles.

JZ said...

Regarding George Orwell and S. Dali, I heard that Orwell said Dali probably had a lot of talent from the wrist down.

h said...

I'm not sure that the "big newspapers" understand the extent to which these minor inaccuracies feed the "fake news" meme. WaPo has a local columnist who usually publishes feel-good pieces about DC area history, and who recently ran an article headlined, "Ignorant, lazy or clueless: Annoying media errors that crop up again and again". The examples were similarly non-earth-shattering to this (it's not a painting it's a print). Being wrong on these minor issues does not prove that the newspapers are wrong on the important issues (say impeachment related). But being wrong on these minor issues erodes reader confidence about newspaper accuracy on the important issues.

Earnest Prole said...

You are right of course. Salvador Dali lithographs sell for around $20,000. Here are four Salvador Dali paintings — the first link that google spit out for me — that sold for between $7 million and $22 million.

Guildofcannonballs said...

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None of you child-killers ever meant so much.

Guildofcannonballs said...

Look, Mozart defines me.

That is the standard.

I fail always.

But, you know.

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Guildofcannonballs said...

Hey like I said, Drudge was dying years ago.

God bless Drudge's hey day.

Or hayday as he liked.

No problems,

No worries.

I gave the cunt a chance. I'll give him Jesus if he allows it. We all know he can't.

Guildofcannonballs said...

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You see/

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Guildofcannonballs said...

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Life taught Paul M. the wrong things.

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Guildofcannonballs said...

Guildofcannonballs said...
I'm roughly infinity better than you, 'cept 4 Hardinglyly.

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Guildofcannonballs said...

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Mark Steyn first in line, Althouse second, me third: PAY UP deep pockets.

I will funnel 30% to James O'Keefe. And 30% on top of that to the Salvation Army.

mockturtle said...

ICTA quips: just giraffes? No Dali llamas?

Good one.

Nichevo said...

Guildofcannonballs said...
My effort here lacks respect, but Stephen Cooper was one of the greatest things to ever happen to the Althouse blog, here


True, GoC, Coop has taken a powder. Is he under the ban, or did he decide to take it on the road? Perhaps the poor simp is ill? Welfare check time! No swatting!

Guildofcannonballs said...

Bill Buckley is still 1000 times better in every way conjured, than jealousy has ever been or could ever be.

Sorry.

Guildofcannonballs said...

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You fucks here don't give a shit.

But unfucks....

Guildofcannonballs said...

A lot of folks, having wathed amovie, the feel "I broke China" but they really never did.

But Trump broke China.

The cointry.

Guildofcannonballs said...

It is kinda a git deal.

Trump broke China.

Guildofcannonballs said...

We're not just allowing them to pervirtadly win, we are demanding it.

O gave.

We all know.

Time to get to work writin' beta.

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Guildofcannonballs said...

I see the thoughts processed.

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Guildofcannonballs said...

Trump won the culture.

I stomp and bash the dead-cultures dead culturing to my delight.

Guildofcannonballs said...

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alanc709 said...

Moderating isn't working, if Guildofcannonballs can still use the blog for his written Tourette's.

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

@Mock-T
thanks! And we applaud your discriminating taste!! ;-)