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174 comments:
Another nothing burger. The attorney is a Hillary/Schumer buddy.
Hearsay.
Demonstrably wrong on what might otherwise be salient issues.
#impeach
Biden isn't a political rival, in that no help would be needed or even desireable.
Trump apparently was trying to untangle what happened with the whole russia mess before the election. The idea being, presumably, putting the miscreants in jail for it, if jail was called for.
The anonymous whistle blower, quoting multiple unnamed Whitehouse persons. All accusing the President of asking for foreign powers to help in the 2020 election. A charge that has been investigated and dismissed.
Literally, nothing here.
The IG is the most politically corrupt person in this mish mash. This is NOT IG jurisdiction. The IG is violating the law he operates under
So the Whistle blower didn't hear or see anything, but "some people" told him or her. Okay then. What a crock.
Heeeee: via insty:
...Mitt Romney’s national security advisor in his 2012 campaign -- a career CIA spook who rose to its top levels -- sits on the board of directors of Burisma, the Ukrainian gas company that formerly paid Hunter Biden $50k a month despite his complete lack of credentials or qualifications.
And it also an odd coincidence that Mitt has as CNN puts it “been a lone Republican voice expressing concern about President Donald Trump's July phone call with Volodymyr Zelensky in which Trump asked Ukraine's President to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his family.”...
I think this summary is accurate: I heard some people say some stuff that, if given the worst possible interpretation, shows behavior by Trump that is arguably an abuse of power.
wendybar,
I believe they were "beach friends".
iowan2 said...All accusing the President of asking for foreign powers to help in the 2020 election.
It's worse than that. At no point does this "whistleblower" accuse Trump of asking for help in the 2020 election. He accuses Trump of asking for things that the whistleblower interprets as being motivated by a desire to be helped in the 2020 election.
Oh, now I understand. Some whistle blowers told The Whistle Blower some stuff.
Trump didn't have to force the Ukrainian president to investigate Hunter and Joe Biden. They hate the Bidens. It's not just politics for the Ukrainians...
Can anyone read it at Vox? On my phone I just see a blank space.
Wow. There's even less to it than I thought.
And of course, not a "whistleblower" in spite of what Dems say. It's just the deep state staying on the attack, with MSM help.
At what point will the Althouses of America express their disgust and tell the Dems to eff off?
Attack the messenger is the method today it seems.
When you cannot address the charges, you need something I guess.
The heart of the whistleblower complaint, which is far more salaciously written then you'd expect from the call transcript itself, is this...
Does the President have the executive power to order and direct federal government officials and personal aides to assist a foreign government in investigating corruption against an opposition party member and former Vice President's family when the charges of corruption come from another country's Prosecutor General and with supporting evidence present (i.e. the former VP publicly claimed to get the former prosecutor general fired, the former VP's son was involved in an in-country scandal, etc.
If the President has that power, which I would argue he does, then this is a non-issue.
If we are claiming the President does not have the power to encourage foreign country corruption investigations if the subject of the investigation involves an opposition party leader, then what exactly is our executive's role in pursuing the elimination of corruption?
The real game is Hillary 2020. This is the only way she can run again.
Ukraine is an irresistible twofer, Biden is sidelined and Trump is impeached.
What will happen when Warren peaks, impeachment fails in the Senate, and Trump looks likely to win?
Hillary will come of retirement. The popular vote winner gets another shot.
Whistle blower wants to remain anonymous. Why? What makes this person so special?
WE can impeach a president over hearsay.
Where is the FBI investigation into Hunter Biden?
Oh right - the FBI and CIA and the democrat party and the media are all corrupt.
Schitt is promising to "protect this courageous whistle blower".
In other words, they don't want you to know the name of the partisan hack who filed the complaint or whose camp ze is in, be it Warren, Bernie, or (fill in the blank).
yeah - but we need Adam Schitt - who has tons of credibility on the Russian Probe - to continue the witch hunt. oh behalf of Debra Messing.
So, the fate of the Republic is allowed to stand or fall by the hand of some anonymous (but partisan) whistleblower? I think not.
This is the great news out of the great newspapers, AA? This is what you're going to vote for in 2020? These people? These actions? This to you is law and justice? Or maybe you don't equate law with justice?
Frank Bruni writes: "A pundit making confident predictions about the political fallout from the impeachment of Trump is a pundit far out on a slender limb. Any scenario is possible, including one in which impeachment redounds to Trump’s benefit and increases the chances of his re-election, because he paints himself a martyr, eludes conviction in the Senate, frames that as exoneration and watches his fans mobilize and turn out as never before. And a second Trump term wouldn’t just be the sadly suboptimal byproduct of a noble stand; it would be disastrous."
Another day of desperate spin and obfuscation. I genuinely do not understand why Republican voters here invest so heavily in running interference for Trump. It's not simply that Trump wouldn't piss on you if you were of fire - that's a given. What I don't understand is that it is Trump's sheer indefensibility that allows him to survive. He operates outside our normal political system.
Before his election, Trump’s position in society was roughly equivalent to that of an Earl in feudal England. Back in the day, no reasonable person expected the Earl not to fuck the help or local whores. No reasonable person expected the Earl to know the fuck about anything other than his own property. No reasonable person expected the Earl’s court to be filled with anything other than low-life back-stabbing reprobates and sycophants. No reasonable person expected the Earl to be anything other than an appalling pig. And no one expected the Earl to ever be held to account for his behavior.
Trump will be fine, some of the little people will get it in the neck but the Earl doesn't pay. You don't care about those people any more than Trump does, so why invest so much energy here?
This looks like a king size Trump Trap. I mean proof? It turns out we have a treaty with the Ukraine to coordinate prosecution of criminals!!! So Trump was doing just what he is supposed to do. If US/Ukrainian laws were broke there has to be investigations. I bet over the next 10 months.. nearing election time, Trump will leak facts about what all wrongdoing Biden and son were doing... kind of like the way Hillary was destroyed, or at least awfully damaged, by all the leaks of her sleazy doings.
Question is... do the Democrats care at all for Biden or will the do their best to destroy him and his son trying to somehow 'get' Trump? I bet they don't give a hoot!
CBF must have a new job in DC.
Here's a less risible source for the complaint. After all, VOX was earlier this week trying to claim Trump's comments about Biden pressuring the Ukraine were a hoax.
I thought RussiaRussiaRussua was weak, and this is even thinner.
I thought emoluments emoting was silly, and this is stupider.
A “whistleblower” with no first-hand knowledge, who worked for Hillary’s lawyer and just donated to Biden, alleges a dozen things that the DOJ finds don’t exist and the Donkeychompers party goes all impeachy over another Nothing-burger. This is not a serious political party. It’s a rabid mob.
It's written in a similar truthy manner as the Steele Dossier. There, the failed spy is using all his spy jargon lingo to make it sound exotic and important, when it was merely a narrative of lies. Here, it's lawyerly truthiness. Sounds like a team of Leftwing lawyers wrote this mishmash of breathless hearsay. It'd be good to know who these fuckups are.
Hillary's revenge is eternal.
Does any of this even matter at this point? The dems want to impeach. They wanted to impeach even before he was elected. This has always been just a criminal investigation in search of a crime to investigate. If this route doesn't work, they'll just make something else up and go with it.
With all these unnamed sources and handwaving allegations, the "whistleblower" must be angling for a job at the New York Times or Washington Post.
Wow. The whistleblower heard all kinds of awful things from others. We now know that the things he heard were not true.
Perfect for Trump, right? The more awful it sounds from the whistleblower, the better off he is now that he released the transcript, and the more it sounds like a bunch of his deep state "employees" are nuts.
Trump is toast this time!
Whistleblower, whistleblower, don't cry or complain, a
Fox 40 Classic Cushioned Mouth Grip Official Whistle
will stop your pain.
++
I read a TDS website* (Did you know? Trump really is toast this time!) - and it's funny how the phone call transcripts and this whistleblowhard nonsense are like Rorschach inkblots (but without the dirty pictures); people see what they want to see.
*For reasons other than the politics, e.g.
"You know how to blow don't you Adam? You just put your lips together and whistle."
Hey Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan, it's because they want to tear down the republic because they don't like the results of an election. We're running interference for the country, not Trump.
What I get out of the complaint is that someone thinks anything the President does that might help his chances at getting elected is an official abuse of power. This is stupid. Everything the President does is intended to build support that could help with re-election.
But if these are the new rules Democrats want to play by; then I hope Republicans will make good use of these rules. McConnell certainly has learned how to use the rules Democrats make up.
Its sue gordon, she felted herself, as jason beale explained no first hand knowledge
Well well well, what a "coincidence"....
"It just so happens Mitt Romney’s national security advisor in his 2012 campaign -- a career CIA spook who rose to its top levels -- sits on the board of directors of Burisma, the Ukrainian gas company that formerly paid Hunter Biden $50k a month despite his complete lack of credentials or qualifications."
Josef Cofer Black.
Isn't that interesting?
Oh, it gets even better than that...
"And in yet another amazing coincidence, Black was succeeded in his job as Director of the National Counterterrorism Center by John Brennan."
It's the same old deep staters/FusionGPS/Lawfare Groupers/GOPe-ers/dems/left/LLR-left again...and again...and again.
With the same results every time.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/09/mitt_romney_adviser_sits_on_burisma_board_of_directors.html
I am so sick and tired of eating all of this popcorn. The Democrats are going down, and it is delightful to watch them on their sinking ship!!! I wonder if there is enough room in Gitmo for all of these idiots who lied to the American people???
Another day of desperate spin and obfuscation. I genuinely do not understand why Republican voters here invest so heavily in running interference for Trump.
Proof that some people are devoted to lies that, if a fact bit them in the ass, they would not notice.
ARM, you are a hopeless partisan. Your opinions are just opinions unleavened by facts,
A couple notes are in order here.
The ICIG, who accepted this complaint, despite a legal opinion that the President is not subject to ICIG oversight, was previously senior counsel to John Carlin and Mary McCord who were the former heads of the DOJ-NSD in 2016 when the stop Trump operation was underway. Carlin famously resigned at the time that the first Carter Page FISA applications was filed with the FISC - after having approved the underlying paperwork for the application that heavily depended upon the then uncorroborated (now discredited) Steele Dossier. Remember - the defense that Comey is going to use for his verifying the FISA applications he signed was that the paperwork was in order. The people at the top of the stack verifying that the paperwork was in order and accurate were the heads of the DoJ-NSD - Caron and McCord. Their senior attorney was Michael K Atkinson, who is now the ICIG. The DOJ-NSD was also the DoJ side of Crossfire Hurricane (run on the FBI side by Peter Strzok, and somewhat supervised by his boss, Bill Priestap).
The acceptance of the whistleblower complaint was contrary to a DoJ OLC opinion. The ICIG has jurisdiction over the intelligence community (IC). President Trump is not part of the IC, and, thus, the ICIG has no jurisdiction. (The only IC involvement here is supplying the four or five people who transcribe the conversation, and possible illegal recording of it).
This is a major power grab of the deep state, to extend ICIG oversight to include Presidential communications. It should surprise no one that the Lawfare people are involved in it up to their eyeballs.
Has anybody heard about any ethic complaints filed against Senators Leahy and Durbin. They clearly threatened Ukraine to withhold funds if they investigated the Bidens.
I'm so sick and tired of the double standards. Clinton sent a staffer to the Ukrainian embassy to dig up dirt on the Trump campaign. Hillary and the DNC paid Russians for lies and fake information against Trump.
Hillary hide her campaign financing of the Steele dossier.
The only way to stop this crap is to "punch back twice as hard."
narciso said...Its sue gordon, she felted herself, as jason beale explained no first hand knowledge
That would explain the Woodstein bravado of WaPo.
I'm trying reallly hard to understand how this can be an abuse considering the Russia investigation was started during Trump's campaign on risibly thin pretexts, whereas Biden almost certainly engaged in some self-dealing with regards to his son.
Thank you, Simone...
https://youtu.be/swBtLPWeKbU
So it would appear that this is a bit bigger than just getting Biden out of the way. This looks more like battlespace prep for the IG/Durham stuff coming down the pike, with Biden merely collateral damage.
The abuse is showing the card, from the deck.
This hearing has devolved into parsing the Whistleblower Protection Act.
This train has gone completely off the rails.
I'm in the position now where I think impeachment based on this accusation is ridiculous and I will be very upset if I don't get to have say on who I get to vote for in 2020. Maybe I'll vote for Trump maybe I'll vote for Warren but I want that choice and impeachment robs me of that.
Democrats need to be very careful here.
I got to the point where s/he said "I didn't actually witness any of this ish" and quit. Fuck that noise. Bring me something substantive or leave me alone.
Trump's failure to fire all the Deep State moles on Day One of his term continues to dog him.
Note to all future Republican presidents: you MUST fire the top three layers (at least) of the bureaucracy on your first day in office. Get your own people in or prepare for four years of backstabbing. Better to leave the offices vacant than to keep the holdovers or accept recommendations of long time Washington hands.
BleachBit-and-Hammers said...
Whistle blower wants to remain anonymous. Why? What makes this person so special?
***********
Right....none of that "right to confront your accusers" crap.
None of that examination of motives, conflicts of interest, contradictory or false statements stuff, either. This person, we mush assume, is a Straight Arrow.
Snort.
Summarizing the complaint:
Some people said something.
Bruce Hayden: "A couple notes are in order here.
The ICIG, who accepted this complaint, despite a legal opinion that the President is not subject to ICIG oversight, was previously senior counsel to John Carlin and Mary McCord who were the former heads of the DOJ-NSD in 2016 when the stop Trump operation was underway. Carlin famously resigned at the time that the first Carter Page FISA applications was filed with the FISC - after having approved the underlying paperwork for the application that heavily depended upon the then uncorroborated (now discredited) Steele Dossier."
Yep.
As noted, its the same crew with the same BS following the same script with the MSM following the same disinformation tactics/lying tactics.
Unlike ARM, I prefer facts to base opinions on.
[…] Mr. Atkinson, a Trump appointee, nevertheless concluded that the allegations appeared to be credible and identified two layers of concern.
The first involved a possible violation of criminal law. Mr. Trump’s comments to Mr. Zelensky “could be viewed as soliciting a foreign campaign contribution in violation of the campaign-finance laws,” Mr. Atkinson wrote, according to the Justice Department memo. (read more)
Does the “foreign campaign contribution” angle sound familiar? It should, because that argument was used in the narrative around the Trump Tower meeting with the Russian Lobbyist Natalia Veselnitskaya. More specifically, just like FARA violations the overused “campaign contribution” narrative belongs to a specific network of characters, Lawfare.
The center of the Lawfare Alliance influence was/is the Department of Justice National Security Division, DOJ-NSD. It was the DOJ-NSD running the Main Justice side of the 2016 operations to support Operation Crossfire Hurricane and FBI agent Peter Strzok. It was also the DOJ-NSD where the sketchy legal theories around FARA violations (Sec. 901) originated.
The Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) is Michael K Atkinson. ICIG Atkinson is the official who accepted the ridiculous premise of a hearsay ‘whistle-blower‘ complaint; an intelligence whistleblower who was “blowing-the-whistle” based on second hand information of a phone call without any direct personal knowledge, ie ‘hearsay‘.
As usual, the rest is worth reading.
They burrow into the bureaucracy, like the stay vehind units
So it would appear that this is a bit bigger than just getting Biden out of the way. This looks more like battlespace prep for the IG/Durham stuff coming down the pike, with Biden merely collateral damage.
Yes. This is a desperate attempt to muddy the waters that the compliant Media/DNC propaganda machine will flog without the least sense of embarrassment.
An interesting future note will be if any mainstream media reporters stand up for truth. In a similar vein, I wonder how many loyal Democrats will rethink their allegiance. ARM, Freder and their compatriots are hopeless, delusional partisans but somer people may see the light.
DarkHelmet: "Trump's failure to fire all the Deep State moles on Day One of his term continues to dog him."
2 issues:
1) Trump accepted the recommendations for many jobs from the GOPe and those guys were perfectly happy to place dem-leaning "Lifelong republicans" in key roles and who ended up supporting the dem removal efforts. There was no way Trump could personally analyze who all these people were. He won the White House with a trusted team of about 10 people only and all were outsiders.
2) The Lawfare crew (including Weissman et al) had already pre-constructed the scenario where every legal action taken by Trump would be melded into their end objective: an obstruction case. The obstruction case was required since all the dems knew from day 1 that the Russian collusion BS was just a pretext.
The dems needed obstruction. For obstruction they needed a "crime" to investigate. To get to a crime without having to follow real procedures and to keep from being stopped and to hide all the nefarious dem activity they needed a "counter-intelligence" "investigation" targeting Trump. To get to Trump they needed a series of other pretexts: hence the laughable Logan Act "concerns" over Flynn and subsequent setup, the BS FISA warrants against Page and the drill down into Manafort/Cohen, etc driven by the hoax dossier which the dems/Ohr/FusionGPS/CIA/DOJ-NSD created out of thin air created out of thin air and supported by Brennan's many spies and provacateurs launched into the Trump campaign (Crossfire Hurricane)
Since all of that failed, this is the exact same script being rolled out with the fake "whistleblower" "report" being used as the hoax dossier replacement.
TexMex: "Democrats need to be very careful here."
LOL
Too late. Far, far too late.
I read the entire complaint. The core of the issue discussed is Lutsenko (the Ukrainian Attorney General equivalent) was a part of the Poroshenko government- a government basically installed after the US-EU encouraged coup against the elected government of Yanukovych.
You have to know the history here- Yanukovych was elected by winning overwhelming margins in the majority ethnic Russian states in the east of Ukraine (the Donbass and Crimea) and just enough of the rest of Ukraine. After the coup, Poroshenko was installed as the president and the eastern regions broke away in revolt with the full encouragement of Putin- Crimea even had a referendum that voted overwhelmingly to join Russia outright (they were already 75+% Russian beforehand, so such an outcome on a open vote was a sure thing). Lutsenko was Poroshenko's AG, and Poroshenko and his government actively curried favor with their benefactors, the Obama Administration.
Even before Lutsenko's comments this past Spring about the 2016 campaign, which are contained in the Whistleblower complaint, there was abundant evidence that the Poroshenko government was actively aiding the Obama Administration's efforts to investigate Paul Manafort- efforts that started almost to the day Manafort joined Trump's campaign as, first an advisor and then later as campaign chairman. After the election, though, the Ukrainian government has been trying to make nice with the president whose campaign they actively worked against. It is entirely possible that Lutsenko's comments about the evidence he has that the previous government was actively interfering in the 2016 election is just made up as an effort to save his job, but the other evidence available suggests that the evidence is probably valid, and Lutsenko is only now willing to share it because Obama is gone along with Poroshenko.
If Lutsenko's evidence is real, it will probably show that the Obama Administration worked actively with the Ukranian government to interfere with the 2016 election. Poroshenko wanted a continuation of the Obama Administration and was quite willing to help get Hillary Clinton elected. It is this interference that is mentioned as the top line investigation item in the July 25 phone call- this is being investigated by USA Durham at the request of AG William Barr, and this can only be done with the aid of the Ukrainian government- this is why Trump pressed it, and he did so entirely appropriately.
Continued in next comment
Continued from previous comment:
As for Biden, he is on video bragging about getting a Ukrainian prosecutor fired and using US aid as the quid pro quo. Sure, after the fact, the Biden supporters are trying to claim it had nothing to do with his son's employment (for at least 1.5 million dollars over an 18 month period that we know of) by a Ukrainian oligarch, but the prosecutor who was fired has contradicted this directly. Lutsenko claims to have a list of people who could not be investigated as issued by representatives of the Obama Administration, and Joe Biden was Obama's chosen head of the Ukrainian outreach. Biden has already lied about not knowing about his son's connections to Burisma- his own son outed this lie unintentionally. It is entirely appropriate to ask the new Ukrainian president to look into the past example of the US government coercing the Ukrainian government on internal justice issues- indeed, it would be corrupt to simply overlook it. That Biden might be the Democrat nominee is irrelevant- he isn't the nominee yet, and having this stuff brought up now will benefit the Democrats going forward since they can just not choose him as a candidate. What is good for Joe Biden logically what is good for the Democratic Party- a lesson the Democrats should have learned in 2016, but maybe haven't.
Finally, to Giuliani- Giuliani hasn't hidden anything- everything he has done has been open and above board- indeed, the complaint makes this point indirectly since all it does is quote Giuliani's own public statements.
I can see why the DoJ simply referred this back to the IG- there is nothing illegal here, and really nothing improper either.
The laughable Frank Bruni: "And a second Trump term wouldn’t just be the sadly suboptimal byproduct of a noble stand; it would be disastrous."
Why, I'll bet the stock market would NEVER recover!!
You ask why the declassify takes so long, because atkinson is part of the trip wire, as i call it around the deep state.
Did Maguire threaten to resign? “No”
Was there pressure or an effort to identify the whistleblower? “No”
The Fake News media and Ukraine Clown Posse should just go away.
ARM - waiting for your reasonable analysis on Hunter Biden and Hillary Clinton.
*crickets* but Trump!
Bruce H @ 9:10
That will never sink into anyone on the loyal left.
In other news:
Coal industry continues sharp decline despite Trump's promised revival.
Another thing Earls don't know much about is market forces.
Trump asked a foreign leader to investigate Trump's chief political rival.
Can we all agree that the above is true?
"If this route doesn't work, they'll just make something else up and go with it." What Kevin said.As this bullshit fades they will dig up some other spurious charge, their hand maidens in the media will dutifully amplify it and once that fails they will try some more bullshit. So predictable and so tiresome at this point.
Now to Crowdstrike:
It wasn't clear from the phone call as to what Trump was referring. At first, I thought Trump was referring to a server that Crowdstrike claimed was involved in hacking the DNC server which was clearly US based. Remember, Crowdstrike claimed the DNC server was hacked from overseas by people connected to Russian intelligence, but the DNC never turned the server over to the FBI or the special counsel, Mueller. Mueller just took Crowdstrike's word for it- if you don't believe me, just see Mueller's reply to Roger Stone's request for the evidence that the Russians hacked the DNC- Mueller's team admitted that they didn't have any to turn over and that they hadn't even seen the full Crowdstrike report.
However, the whistleblower claims that Trump was talking about the DNC server itself, or possibly the mirror of the server as obtained by Crowdstrike. Now Crowdstrike was apparently founded by a Ukrainian by the name of Alperovych, so it is possible that it is the DNC server or its mirror. Getting this evidence should have been a priority for Robert Mueller, but he doesn't appear to have even tried by his own admissions in court documents. That Trump has asked for it is a good thing- it can show definitively that the Russians were responsible for the hack, or disprove it conclusively (what I think it would show). Of course, the whistleblower wants you to think Trump wants it for the DNC material, but this is clearly wrong- the server could put the stake through the Russia Hoax once and for all time by proving the DNC e-mails were an internal leak to Wikileaks- what all the metadata evidence suggested all along.
Impeachment was picking up steam and then unexpectedly...
Context:
https://mobile.twitter.com/FredFleitz/status/1177206661603348480
Next, it would be interesting to inquire into the Romney staffer on the Ukraine board. Does Sasse have one, too ?
Let's buy the Dems some shiny new shovels so they can dig themselves even deeper.
Don't bother. All you have to know is that the "whistleblower" is a Democrat operative.
Fox News reported yesterday that the Intel IG found the whistleblower had "political bias" in favor of "a rival candidate".
This is the same IG (Michael Atkinson) that originally decided the whistleblower complaint appeared credible, and referred it to the DNI and DOJ.
Yep:
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/26/complaint-from-so-called-whistleblower-is-riddled-with-gossip-blatant-falsehoods/
A p[retty =good explanation of why this is a big deal.
The Ukraine is one of the poorest countries in the region. Its per capita income is miserable. Its life expectancy is slightly higher than that of Syria. Its real prize is a complex energy sector interwoven with those of Russia and the European Union. Every reason why Ukraine has been in the news comes back to that energy sector and its role in the power balance between Russia, Europe and the United States.
Without that energy sector, the Ukraine would have wallowed quietly in a morass of corruption. Instead its scandals touch off explosions in Moscow, Brussels and Washington D.C. because they originate there.
That’s why the origin of the latest Ukraine scandal begins, unsurprisingly, with an energy company.
Burisma Holdings, the energy company, paid Hunter Biden, Joe’s son, $50,000 a month to sit on its board. That’s not a commonplace arrangement. But energy companies in that part of the world are never just private companies. They’re closely linked to political interests and political leaders.
Worth reading all of it. As NY Times and WaPoo descend into useless scandal sheets, this site becomes a better news source.
Known:
Whistleblower has help writing this.
As mentioned sounds like Steele Dossier in tone / wording.
Lawyer worked for Schumer and was in the intel community.
And somehow Schiff had a 9 am hearing schedule on this, today.
Hypotheses:
1. Same people, lawfare group, worked on the complaint.
2. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI) was in on this. They requested a closed door meeting. Seems to be part of the opposition to Trump and allied with the deepstate.
3. Adam Schiff has advance notice of the whistle blower complaint.
4. This is more lawfare against Trump, looking for obstruction charges.
Hat tip to conservative treehouse
Daniel Greenfield has an A+ article:
How the Ukraine Ended Up at the Center of American Politics
Bruce Hayden said...
A couple notes are in order here.
Thanks, Bruce, I had asked narciso to dig into ICIG Atkinson on another thread, and here you are.
Lefties, if you want a rightist critique of President Trump, he has really not helped himself with his political appointments. Traitors (colloq.) right and left. How I wish he had gotten better advice earlier.
Trump hasn't been this doomed since the last time he was doomed.
Not just hearsay, but the complaint is transparently politically motivated calumny, perceptible to anyone who reads it alongside the transcription of the actual conversation. They are convinced that we are enough of us so stupid and poorly informed that manipulation need not even be concealed by a veneer of legitimate cause. Schiff was already an obviously partisan hatchet man who’d say anything to advance his cause. The candidates like Booker and Warren who have proclaimed indignantly on Trump’s culpability here have revealed themselves to be no better, only more personally ambitious, and with a similarly dim view of our intelligence. It’s amazing we thrive with such a leadership class, and it must be because these people and their jobs and the institutions they lead are just not that important. For most of them this nothing more than mere office politics. We must slash the government because as long as there is such a tempting gravy train the pigs will swarm.
Blogger steve uhr said...
Trump asked a foreign leader to investigate Trump's chief political rival.
Can we all agree that the above is true?
Can you agree that three Democrat Senators asked and demanded that Ukraine investigate Trump and the Russia hoax allegations ?
"Read it at Vox"
I'm and XY male who identifies as an XY male and I'd rather have a hysterectomy than click on Vox
steve uhr,
No. In fact Fauxcahontas Warren was not mentioned at all.
Lance
Different standards apply before and after investigation. A complaint is made, and the IG,or a minion, decided it was plausible enough to warrant looking into. It was looked into and the bias and shortcomings were revealed. Nothing wrong with this sequence of events.
I'm still trying to figure out how some low level bureaucrat gets to eavesdrop on the POTUS classified phone calls with a foreign leader, then 2nd guess his words and decisions and then conclude he "Broke the law", and then get taken seriously by the entire country.
Why were these "other officials familiar with the situation" babbling to this whistleblower who had no direct connection with the situation? Why do these people somehow get to decide what the President can and cannot say?
Its insane! Now, we learn the DNI handed the complaint over to DoJ and the FBI, IOW we have the DNI head asking the FBI/DOJ to INVESTIGATE THE PRESIDENT based on a whistleblower! Fortunatley, some low level DOJ/FBI decided THIS TIME not to investigate. How ever heard of such a thing with Reagan/Clinton/Bush/Obama? ONLY TRUMP.
“However, the whistleblower claims that Trump was talking about the DNC server itself, or possibly the mirror of the server as obtained by Crowdstrike. Now Crowdstrike was apparently founded by a Ukrainian by the name of Alperovych, so it is possible that it is the DNC server or its mirror. Getting this evidence should have been a priority for Robert Mueller, but he doesn't appear to have even tried by his own admissions in court documents. That Trump has asked for it is a good thing- it can show definitively that the Russians were responsible for the hack, or disprove it conclusively (what I think it would show). Of course, the whistleblower wants you to think Trump wants it for the DNC material, but this is clearly wrong- the server could put the stake through the Russia Hoax once and for all time by proving the DNC e-mails were an internal leak to Wikileaks- what all the metadata evidence suggested all along.”
CrowdStrike wouldn’t have had the server itself. That isn’t the way it is done. Rather, the disk, or virtual disk, containing the email hive would likely have been imaged, and the image (or “mirror”) worked on. And, as standard practice, probably duplicated by CrowdStrike before they began. The question then would be whether the original image sent to CrowdStrike, or one of the copies, survives. If I had been their attorney, I would have said “hell no”, and made sure that normal document retention policies were followed, resulting in their destruction. (And, yes, I have been the ogre setting out, and enforcing such policies).
Perhaps Trump's best strategy now is to more explicitly assert his divine right to rule. Half the Dems would have apoplectic seizures, thus denying them the numbers for impeachment. And, Republicans are already on board.
I've notice Democrats and anti-Trump Republicans playing Abortionist's advocate.
Hillary's revenge is eternal.
The Chamber has no fury like a feminist scorn... by Obama? Trump may be a more accessible fruit.
Burisma Holdings, the energy company, paid Hunter Biden, Joe’s son, $50,000 a month to sit on its board.
Hunter Biden is so dumb, he thought he was getting a job as a highly-paid Barista.
The only point that counts is that if Biden is clean then there is no political dirt so any request is meaningless. If Biden is dirty then it is better we know before the election. This is all about Biden; Trump is irrelevant.
Whenever the accusation is against Trump, it’s simple and declarative, whenever it references illegalities by Biden or the DNC on behalf of Hillary, it’s “purportedly.”
Anybody who buys this line of thought has to believe that Obama should be. retroactively impeached and the Hillary and Biden, and Bernie Sanders too, due to his letter pressuring the Ukrainians, should be imprisoned, I guess Weld would say hanged, or at a minimum barred from public office.
I really think the "Democrat" Party needs to change its name to the "Delusional Leftwing Fuckhead" Party.
It is more apt.
ARM’s job is to changed the subject, just like the famous “Fifty Center” trolls the Chicoms use, who supposedly get fifty cents every time they take a thread off track. If he is trying to change the subject, that’s just a sign he knows their position is a loser, otherwise he would be pounding the facts like tent stakes at the circus and demonstrating to us, with ease and solid sources why it doesn’t matter that Biden openly did what they accuse Trump of doing, or that the DNC was pressuring the Ukrainians for dirt on Trump and Manafort from their intelligence files, or why it was fine for Obama to ask Putin to lay off of the pressure until after he was personally safely re-elected when he would be able to compromise our defense positions in Putin’s favor.
"Burisma Holdings, the energy company, paid Hunter Biden, Joe’s son, $50,000 a month to sit on its board.”
Why shouldn’t the Bidens benefit from Ukrainian natural resources, otherwise the money would probably just go to some Ukrainian peasant who was lucky enough to have survived the famine that Stalin engineerred there.
ARM: "In other news:
Coal industry continues sharp decline despite Trump's promised revival.
Another thing Earls don't know much about is market forces."
LOL
Apparently our Market Watch "expert" ARM missed the oil and gas fracking revolution which turned the US into an energy exporting nation and thus also impacts energy mix competition.
To ARMs credit, he has abandoned his We Are All Economically Doomed pitch as well as his even more laughable Obama Did It nonsense.
So theres that!
Joe Biden is not Trump's "chief political rival;" NYT/WaPo is.
By definition there is no whistleblower. There is just a partisan somewhere doing what other corrupt partisans told them to do, while hiding their identity.
I can't believe the depths the Democrats have sunk to, or why our people allows it when the corruption is so obvious. Biden and those three Dem senators can be demonstrably proven in their own words to have done what they are accusing Trump of with no evidence. Where are the people with values? Where are the true liberals? I only see corrupt hacks, fools, and facilitators. You people who stand by pretending to be above it all are the worst. You are below it all, and worthless spectators like the kids who recently stood by and watched a kid be murdered while they all held up their phones to record it. The rule of law is being murdered.
So...is this the real reason Bolton was fired?
So...is this the real reason Bolton was fired?
steve uhr, Trump asked them to investigate Hunter Biden.
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After Biden coerced them not to. Can you admit that? I doubt it.
"some people may see the light"
Possibly. Hearing rumblings of discontent among Dem friends. "This is crazy." "Why don't they govern and legislate?" Small sample, though. Is Althouse still "neutral"?
A video of Biden himself describing his own actions is “purported” but knowledge of Trump’s motives, however disconnected from the realities we all see, is certain.
I know there is a Blazing Saddles reference here to describe how the Democrats are fighting to protect their gravy train not just in the Ukraine, but in China as well and only God knows how many othter countries.
This passed for “purported”
In written answers to questions, Ambassador Valeriy Chaly's office says DNC contractor Alexandra Chalupa sought information from the Ukrainian government on Paul Manafort’s dealings inside the country in hopes of forcing the issue before Congress.
Chalupa later tried to arrange for Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to comment on Manafort’s Russian ties on a U.S. visit during the 2016 campaign, the ambassador said.
Chaly says that, at the time of the contacts in 2016, the embassy knew Chalupa primarily as a Ukrainian American activist and learned only later of her ties to the DNC. He says the embassy considered her requests an inappropriate solicitation of interference in the U.S. election.
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/441892-ukrainian-embassy-confirms-dnc-contractor-solicited-trump-dirt-in-2016
And yet the dirt on Manafort came in.
Trump trolled the dims, letting them think they might have something, long enough for them to produce enough rope to hang themselves. Nice job.
I'm gonna name the whistleblower. It's Inga. She heard it through the grapevine..
And, Tom Arnold gonna release the tape .
And, Schiff has plenty of evidence of collusion.
Apparently our Market Watch "expert" ARM missed the oil and gas fracking revolution which turned the US into an energy exporting nation and thus also impacts energy mix competition.
"We can't drill our way out of that" Obama
Looks as though the focus on Crowdstrike as well as the US getting Ukraine assistance for the 2016 "hacking" investigation has flipped the dems/deep staters out of their gourds......
....hmmmmmmmmm
If the Democrats want to keep going down this road, the whistleblower will have to come forward and testify and be cross-examined. This is especially true given the nature of the complaint itself whose main allegations are all hearsay followed by conjecture to intent. The whistleblower will have to come forward and name names if this is going to be used in impeachment- there is no alternative. I find it interesting that no one has leaked the name, which suggests to me that the identity is damning for the Democrats. I mean, this would be prime material for the NYTimes and WaPo- give a face to the accusations against Trump- by keeping it all anonymous undercuts the narrative with most normal human beings.
I had missed this point of the story. Read the transcript: the "favor" he asked for was helping the US people track down what Crowdstrike and Ukraine had done to trigger the Mueller investigation. Biden is mentioned much later, just thrown in.
Now which of those two would really concern people from the "deep state", if it exists? Saying that it's about Biden is trying to hide the ball.
Conspiracy theory? Yeah, but this actually makes sense to me. Now is there anything wrong with asking for Ukraine’s help on this, since it is a very powerful political tool? What is the alternative, the president can’t ever investigate his opponents, when they deserve it?
Phil -- I don't know if that is true. What is the evidence?
My understanding -- which may be wrong -- is that Biden Sr. wanted the prosecutor removed because he was not investigating corruption cases enough. It is also my understanding that there was no ongoing investigation of Burisma at the time the prosecutor was fired. It is also my understanding that there is no evidence that Hunter did anything wrong. He was not a government employee, he could take a position on the board if he wanted to. He didn't need anyone's consent. If he was picked to be on the board because they thought he would have influence, so what? And of course the fact that the company did something illegal (what did they do that was illegal?) doesn't mean that every board member had knowledge. As for whether Hunter had knowledge about the business, often outside directors are not experienced in that industry. And, as I said, if he was hired as a means of gaining influence with the administration, that is not Hunter's fault, assuming he made no claims that he had such influence (even if he did, I don't know if that was illegal - prob not)
The question is whether Joe took any action as VP with the intent to profit his son. I haven't seen evidence of that. Give me a cite.
If the Bidens did do something wrong, shouldn't that be something that our DOJ would investigate? And if they had an investigation -- which they opened for nonpartisan reasons -- and formally asked Ukraine to assist in such investigation, that's okay too in my opinion.
But of course the topic today is whether it was appropriate for Trump to ask for the "favor" right after Z raised the issue of military aid and right after Trump said that Ukraine had not "reciprocated" sufficiently in response to US aid. What is it that Ukraine was expected to do? Whatever it was (apart from investigating Biden), trump didn't mention it during the conversation. why not ...
"explicitly assert his divine right to rule”
Once again the left accuses the right of doing what it is already doing. Trump had the gall to usurp the Dowager Empress’s throne! Democrats are out natural rulers! They know best on everything! To disagree is to lie!
Liberals have zero sense of irony due to their complete lack of self awareness.
"Can we all agree that the above is true?”
Since we are soliciting agreement here, can you agree that the DNC was soliciting dirt on Trump and Manafort, dirt on Manafort was produced, from the Ukrainian intelligence files?
If not, we have nothing to talk about, because you are not interested in the whole truth.
Can we all agree that nobody gave a flying fig when Biden bragged about the stuff Trump purportedly did?
Can we all agree that this is because the outrage is all fake?
"It is also my understanding that there was no ongoing investigation of Burisma at the time the prosecutor was fired.”
You are making a fool out of yourself. I Have posted evidence that this is not true over and over and over and you simply can not see it.
U.S. banking records show Hunter Biden’s American-based firm, Rosemont Seneca Partners LLC, received regular transfers into one of its accounts — usually more than $166,000 a month — from Burisma from spring 2014 through fall 2015, during a period when Vice President Biden was the main U.S. official dealing with Ukraine and its tense relations with Russia.
The general prosecutor’s official file for the Burisma probe — shared with me by senior Ukrainian officials — shows prosecutors identified Hunter Biden, business partner Devon Archer and their firm, Rosemont Seneca, as potential recipients of money.
And then:
Shokin told me in written answers to questions that, before he was fired as general prosecutor, he had made “specific plans” for the investigation that “included interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden.”
He added: “I would like to emphasize the fact that presumption of innocence is a principle in Ukraine” and that he couldn’t describe the evidence further.
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/441892-ukrainian-embassy-confirms-dnc-contractor-solicited-trump-dirt-in-2016
Steve Uhr wrote:
"It is also my understanding that there was no ongoing investigation of Burisma at the time the prosecutor was fired."
There have been multiple links in the past few days' threads demonstrating there is no reason to believe this defense offered by Biden's people. The prosecutor who got fired has contradicted this, as has several other Ukrainians in the position to know.
What isn't proven is that this is the reason that Biden coerced the Ukrainians, but then Biden also lied about not knowing his son worked for Burisma at the time, but Hunter Biden himself contradicted that claim in a news story directly quoting him, and published by journalists otherwise quite friendly to Democrats.
All in all, Joe Biden probably should have been formally investigated for tawdry bribery and influence peddling- at the very least, the public voting in the Democrat primaries deserve more information from the media they consume. You really don't want to nominate this guy with this hanging over his head, unless you are quite content to repeat the 2016 election. Knowing now benefits the Democrats- they can choose to not nominate the guy- what is good for Joe Biden isn't synonymous with what is good for the Democratic Party- he needs to be cut loose, not protected.
If Joe Biden had the prosecutor fired to protect his son, seems odd that he would brag about it in public.
Steve Uhr: "My understanding -- which may be wrong -- is that Biden Sr. wanted the prosecutor removed because he was not investigating corruption cases enough."
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Yeah, we're done here.
The scandal here is what was done in 2016 by the Obama Administration in aiding the Clinton Campaign. The main thrust of the phone conversation was in getting the Ukraine's cooperation with that investigation, which is a real investigation being run by the Department of Justice- this is the reason Trump mentions the Attorney General again and again- they are running an investigation, and it probably does include looking at graft and influence peddling by people like Hunter and Joe Biden- it has to given that Biden video and his lie about not knowing his son was getting $600,000+ per year from a Ukrainian oligarch who had ties to the Yanukovych government and was being investigated by the Obama backed Poroshenko government. It looks corrupt that such a Yanukovych ally could have transitioned so easily into being a Poroshenko ally, all soon after hiring Hunter Biden for a couple of million dollars over 2 years- sure there is nothing corrupt there at all.
“My understanding -- which may be wrong -- is that Biden Sr. wanted the prosecutor removed because he was not investigating corruption cases enough. ”
I don’t see where you got that nonsense. I think that it is fairly clear that he was offering US aid money I exchange for not investigating his son.
Here's Joe Biden bragging about his Ukraine adventure:
“I looked at them and said: ‘I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,’” Biden said during a meeting of the US Council on Foreign Relations. He was referring to Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko and former Ukrainian prime minister Arseny Yatsenyuk. Biden added that the prosecutor was then fired.
Can we agree that's a quid pro quo? (You fire the Prosecutor, I release $1 Billion in aid to you).
Steve needs a source to confirm that cokehead felon Biden was not a $50k a month valuable addition to the Board.
Got it. I assume you also worship at the shrine of St Greta.
Fired DNI Dan Coats or his defenestrated deputy Sue Gordon are the likely whistleblowers. Even the Kossacks agree.
@Yancey - some have suggested that the whistleblower complaint appears to have been written by attorneys. Which,I think would fit into my theory about this coming from the Lawfare crowd.
If the Bidens did do something wrong, shouldn't that be something that our DOJ would investigate? And if they had an investigation -- which they opened for nonpartisan reasons -- and formally asked Ukraine to assist in such investigation, that's okay too in my opinion.
Good News! The Attorney General, who runs the DOJ, is investigating, and Trump formally asked Ukraine to assist in such investigation. I'm glad you are ok.
Hearsay evidence and confirmation bias are two things that come to mind when I read the Whistleblower's report.
Attack the messenger is the method today it seems.
When you cannot address the charges, you need something I guess.
If you view this in a vacuum, perhaps. But if you remember, say, Jill Stein suing to overturn election results; If you remember Hollywood pleading for electors to toss away their vote for Trump; if you remember House members voting to impeach Trump after he was in office for 60 days; if you remember the media pushing the 25th Amendment clause on Trump; if you remember emoluments; if you remember Stormy Daniels; if you remember Russian Collusion and Robert Mueller; if you remember all the effort to release Trump's tax returns: then you see this as one more link in a chain that is winding around an anchor attached to the Democratic Party chances next year, and that anchor has been pushed off the deck of the USS Trump.
Forgive the metaphor.
Can we all agree that even if Burisma wasn’t under investigation, it was very likely because the American VP’s son was sitting on the board, and this kind of protection is exactly why he was worth the 166K a month that his firm of Kerry, Biden, and Bulger was collecting.
Two things that Whitey Bulger knew a LOT about, FBI corruption and protection money. No wonder his nephew was drawn to this business and hooked up with Biden and Kerry’s stepson.
Firstly: Hearsay.
Secondly (because of firstly): Case Dismissed.
But then, congress doesn't abide by the law, anyway.
The Washington Examiner has a live stream of Acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire testifying before the House Intelligence Committee. (Usefully, one can go back to the beginning of same.)
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/watch-live-acting-director-of-national-intelligence-testifies-to-congress
The video begins with Schiff's opening remarks, followed by Nunes (a terrific take-down) followed by Maguire.
Although I couldn't bear listening to everything Maguire said in his opening, I was struck by the way he bragged about his life's experience. He's retired Navy lifer. In the Army, we also called them "treds" (evoking a re-treded tire).
An old guy who's vain might want a toupee to cover his baldness. By my eye, Maguire appears to wear one.
Then there's the Peter Principal:
The Peter principle is a concept in management developed by Laurence J. Peter, which observes that people in a hierarchy tend to rise to their "level of incompetence". In other words, an employee is promoted based on their success in previous jobs until they reach a level at which they are no longer competent, as skills in one job do not necessarily translate to another.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle
The overly-earnest Maguire seems to fit the bill.
steve uhr said...
My understanding -- which may be wrong -- is that Biden Sr. wanted the prosecutor removed because he was not investigating corruption cases enough.
It's revealing left wingers "understand" exactly what Dem politicians say. There's no search for hidden motives or evaluation of conflicts of interest. They make no evaluations of any kind. Whatever is said is simply restated as truth or "understanding".
Meanwhile they take the complete opposite position for anyone they disagree with. Everything is challenged even to absurd levels. This proves they know people's own statements shouldn't be accepted at face value. But their partisanship blinds them.
More from our very stable genius:
"Basically, that person never saw the report, never saw the call, he never saw the call — heard something and decided that he or she or whoever the hell they saw — they're almost a spy. I want to know who's the person, who's the person who gave the whistleblower the information? Because that's close to a spy. You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? The spies and TREASON, we used to handle it a little differently than we do now."
When Weld used the Treason charge and how it was handled, there was a lot of comment here. Any thoughts on this statement (par for the course for our POTUS)?
Steve urh said... My understanding -- which may be wrong -- is that Biden Sr. wanted the prosecutor removed because he was not investigating corruption cases enough.
Why is it ok for Biden to threaten to withhold US funds if the Ukraine doesn't find someone to investigate corruption cases, but it is impeachable if Trump does it?
steve uhr cannot admit Donald J Trump is the Chief Executive of the United States.
Xim demands the President is subordinate to Democratics in the bureaucracy.
Tough shit, dumb ass.
steve uhr said...
Trump asked a foreign leader to investigate Trump's chief political rival.
Why are left wingers pretending they think this is a problem? The Obama administration launched an investigation into Obama's chief political rival based on obvious fabrications produced by a foreign country they admit was trying to interfere with our elections. None of the left wingers pretending to be outraged over Trump criticized the Obama administration.
“If Joe Biden had the prosecutor fired to protect his son, seems odd that he would brag about it in public.”
OK, I’ll bite. Now apply that logic to Trump releasing the transcript.
Is anybody else wondering what the Resistance IC is up to, that they will take these unprecedented actions against the sitting president? What did Brennan have the IC doing? I get it that some may be Democrats, but this seems beyond politics. This seems like something big is on the line for some people.
I want to know who's the person, who's the person who gave the whistleblower the information? Because that's close to a spy.
Fair enough unless he just made it up. I'm sure we will learn the Democrat connection of the"whistelblower" once his identity is leaked.
We know the ICIG who leaked it was a Schumer staffer.
Hunter Biden has NO experience in natural gas. He has NO experience in Ukraine; Russia; or eurasian affairs in general. He's a cokehead who used his daddy's influence to get an exemption to get a naval commission, and then was thrown out of the Navy for using coke. In short, he's just supremely fucking stupid. No company puts a tool like that on the board for any reason except to attempt to purchase influence. Biden put a stop to it "in six hours", and bragged about it. You can spin it any way you want.
Shorter ‘whistleblower report’: “He’s on to us!"
"If Joe Biden had the prosecutor fired to protect his son, seems odd that he would brag about it in public."
Biden has a long history of reworking events in his head, then talking about them as if he were the hero at the center. You don't have to consider any motive connected to a scheme - it's just something he does.
Mitt Romney’s national security advisor in his 2012 campaign — a career CIA spook who rose to its top levels — sits on the board of directors of Burisma, the Ukrainian gas company that formerly paid Hunter Biden $50k a month despite his complete lack of credentials or qualifications.
And it also an odd coincidence that Mitt has as CNN puts it “been a lone Republican voice expressing concern about President Donald Trump’s July phone call with Volodymyr Zelensky in which Trump asked Ukraine’s President to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his family.”
Still more oddly coincidental is the background of Mitt’s adviser deep in the CIA, part of the intelligence community that has “six ways from Sunday” in foiling a mere president who might oppose them, according to Chuck Schumer.
Isn’t it also true that the whistleblower’s attorney work for Chuck “Six Ways from Sunday” Schumer?
readering,
When John Solomon makes the documents available tomorrow, will you coordinate with the other trolls so only one of you has to concede?
NYT
Whistle-Blower Is a C.I.A. Officer Who Was Detailed to the White House
"WASHINGTON — The whistle-blower who revealed that President Trump sought foreign help for his re-election and that the White House sought to cover it up is a C.I.A. officer who was detailed to work at the White House at one point, according to three people familiar with his identity.
The man has since returned to the C.I.A., the people said. Little else is known about him. His complaint made public Thursday suggested he was an analyst by training and made clear he was steeped in details of American foreign policy toward Europe, demonstrating a sophisticated understanding of Ukrainian politics and at least some knowledge of the law...."
"...Dean Baquet, the executive editor of The New York Times, said The Times was right to publish information about the whistle-blower. “The role of the whistle-blower, including his credibility and his place in the government, is essential to understanding one of the most important issues facing the country — whether the president of the United States abused power and whether the White House covered it up.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/whistle-blower-is-a-cia-officer-who-was-detailed-to-the-white-house/ar-AAHToDz
Got to give Baquet credit for letting us know that this guy was a CIA analyst who evidently recently returned to the CIA after his gig in the White House. Since there probably aren't that many people who fit that description, his name will likely become known...sooner rather than later. Along with his Leftist political affiliations.
And that's OK, because CIA analysts (unless assigned to the Operations side of the business) usually don't work under cover.
I don't trust Vox.
Trump is now wisely taking my advice. He is in full regal mode, "Off with the traitor's head".
steve uhr said...
Phil -- I don't know if that is true. What is the evidence?
My understanding -- which may be wrong -- is that Biden Sr. wanted the prosecutor removed because he was not investigating corruption cases enough.
It is clearly wrong. There is video of Biden himself admitting it. The prosecutor's own words prove it wrong.
There is no point talking to these people if they refuse to accept the truth and the mountain of evidence out there.
They are making a conscious decision to create an alternate reality.
They are enemies of freedom and enemies of the republic.
You don't care about those people any more than Trump does, so why invest so much energy here? - ARM
Because you assholes are worse. That's why.
readering said...
When Weld used the Treason charge and how it was handled, there was a lot of comment here. Any thoughts on this statement (par for the course for our POTUS)?
Biden is a traitor. He sold the US out to China and Ukrainian oligarchs.
Obama is a traitor. He made backroom deals with Russia and was caught on video doing it. He also worked with at least 5 foreign intelligence agencies to spy on Trump.
Clinton and Clinton are traitors. They became billionaires selling influence to foreign leaders.
Anyone who supports these people is supporting sedition.
Steve Uhr said... If Joe Biden had the prosecutor fired to protect his son, seems odd that he would brag about it in public.
Not odd if he thought he was entitled to do it. Bad judgment to brag about it? Yes. But this is a guy who groped the wives and daughters of public officials at public ceremonies without thinking twice. He seems to think he's untouchable (ironic, for a guy known for being handsy).
Shitt is in this up to his eyeballs.
He needs to be impeached and removed from office.
More at Insty:
Adam Schiff was tweeting out allegations from the rumor-mongering anti-Trump leaker's complaint while claiming that he didn't have access to the complaint.
The complaint was addressed to Schiff on August 12, 2019. This tweet is from August 28, 2019.
Quote Tweet
Adam Schiff
@RepAdamSchiff
· Aug 28
Trump is withholding vital military aid to Ukraine, while his personal lawyer seeks help from the Ukraine government to investigate his political oPponents.
Two things that Whitey Bulger knew a LOT about, FBI corruption and protection money. No wonder his nephew was drawn to this business and hooked up with Biden and Kerry’s stepson.
Based on personal experience and common sense,being related to gangsters or criminals does not make one a gangster or criminal. Being related to a politician generally seems more commonly beneficial
I would say Whitey has less to do with this situation than his brother William, a former Democrat State senator in Massachusetts.
James Bulger’s father, Whitey’s younger brother, Billy Bulger, serves on the board of directors of the Thornton Group. He was the longtime leader of the Massachusetts state Senate and, with their long overlap by state and by party, a political ally of Massachusetts Senator John Kerry.
John Solomon reporting tonight he has 400+ pages of docs that will prove the Ukrainian probe into Hunter Biden was ongoing when Joe Biden called for the firing of Shokin and that the new prosecutor disputed his predecessor was somehow corrupt. Below, Solomon talks about this cache of documents. He says the media is easily spun by Biden's people on this issue because they, get this, haven't bothered doing the most minimal work of actually reading the primary documents available to them.
“Hearsay evidence and confirmation bias are two things that come to mind when I read the Whistleblower's report”
"Basically, that person never saw the report, never saw the call, he never saw the call — heard something and decided that he or she or whoever the hell they saw — they're almost a spy. I want to know who's the person, who's the person who gave the whistleblower the information? Because that's close to a spy. You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? The spies and TREASON, we used to handle it a little differently than we do now."
This all are indications that te whole thing is a (very Likely Lawfare) setup.
Keep this in mind:
- The ICIG has no legal jurisdiction to have accepted the whistle blower complaint in the first place. He has authority over the IC. And that does not include the President, or likely anyone in the White House who wasn’t seconded over there by an IC agency (such as the people transcribing the conversation).
- Congress could not have made the President subject to an IG, if they had wanted to. He is the chief executive, and all Executive power is delegated from his Executive power under the Constitution. Separation of Powers prevents Congress from putting anyone above or second guessing the President. That is why the letter of the relevant statutes do not claim to cover the President.
- This has been confirmed by the DoJ’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC).
- Even if the ICIG could oversee Presidential communications (he legally can’t, of course), second and third hand hearsay, as here, is insufficient to justify opening an IC investigation. Congress can, of course, listen to anything they want, but the IC tasked with policing lawbreaking in the various departments and agencies, cannot, because the evidence is inadmissible in courts.
- The ICIG has close ties, and worked directly for, as their chief counsel, two people who ran the DOJ NSD, which generated the paperwork used by the acting AG to certify the four Carter Page FISA warrant applications, despite presumed knowledge of the lack of provenance of the Steele Dossier that the warrants depended upon. One of them was John Carlin, who famously retired immediately after apparently approving the paperwork used by DAG Yates to legally justify signing the first FISA warrant application.
This is why I think that Lawfare is involved up to their eyeballs. Someone, outside the DOJ OLC, intentionally misinterpreted the statutes enabling the IC IG, and then intentionally ignored the OLC rulings that the President was not covered by those statutes, and was not subject to IC IG oversight. This smells to me just like the creative lawyering that we saw with the Mueller prosecutors reinterpreting the Obstruction statutes to change them from requiring specific intent, to requiring mere general intent. Which, of course, also ran afoul of OLC statutory interpretations.
I knew this guy would be outed, sooner than later. Didn't figure there would also be a bounty:
Two Trump supporters are offering a $50,000 reward for information about the national security whistleblower at the center of the Ukraine phone affair.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/50-000-reward-offered-to-out-trump-whistleblower
ARM Van Winkle just woke up from a 3+ year slumber to find Trump's use of the word "traitor" very distasteful.
"Trump is now wisely taking my advice. He is in full regal mode, 'Off with the traitor's head.’"
You should try to keep up. William Weld, candidate of the Romney rump of the Republican Party, suggested that Trump should be executed several days ago. Except he was in earnest.
StephenFearby: "NYT
Whistle-Blower Is a C.I.A. Officer Who Was Detailed to the White House"
Yep. One of Brennan's pals inserted into the White House to undermine Trump and help set up obstruction and impeachment.
Crossfire Hurricane/FusionGPS+Russian Hoax Dossier 2.0
Billy Bulger sure rose quickly in the Mass legislature. Couldn’t have had anything to do with the fact that his brother was a well known murderous maniac. He lost his pension, I think, when it was discovered that he was remaining in contact with his brother, the FBI corrupter, Whitey Bulger.
I love how they are ginning up charges of a coverup here, when Trump has already released the information that he is said to be hiding. Most likely, they knew the “whistleblower” was going off the rails and cut off his personal access to information he clearly was going to leak. I don’t know how keeping a renegade spy in the dark is a “coverup.” The world these guys live in. But still the word “coverup” is splashed across the media, as another baseless smear to imply guilt.
This is such a grevious violation of trust between the IC and the White House that it would not surprise me if IC officers are barred from all access to POTUS phone calls with foreign officials.
Why not just shut down the CIA ? 90% of the "officers" spend their days reading foreign language newspapers. The rest plot how to keep Republicans out of power.
this guy was a CIA analyst who evidently recently returned to the CIA after his gig in the White House.
The rumors include the fact that he is a protege of Brennan, probably a plant to do what he did.
If today’s Democrats were running The United Fruit Company, ARM would be defending it. How is raping the resources of Ukraine any different?
I think Trump would be perfectly justified in ending the practice of CIA transcriptions of his phone calls with foreign leaders. They have to be asking themselves overseas what kind of crazy the US is going through now with spies thinking that they are the arbiters of what can and cannot be said, and newspapers deliberately distorting conversations that could easily be leaked.
And Sen. Cotton this A.M. pointed out our hero Hunter Biden is dodging process servers trying to obtain DNA for a paternity suit. Been doin it "hiding for months". Whats that about the fruit and the tree?
It was sure a short step from Democrat Party to Kleptocrat Party.
Edward “Ned” Price is his name and blowing whistles is his game.
Maybe its this guy:
https://www.redstate.com/stu-in-sd/2019/09/26/guy-ukraine-phone-call-whistleblower/
Is it time to abolish the CIA and start over again?
I think Trump would be perfectly justified in ending the CIA
FIFY
What has it done that is successful? Iran and China networks rolled up and agents executed because they fucked up security.
Let me put it a different way, if the United Fruit Company were up and running today, they would, quite rationally, cut the Democrat Party in on graft, just for the protection of the press.
Michael K... Spot on. My understanding of the "Flynn railroad" was because of his relationship with CIA who were mucking up the operations. Lots of hard feelings there.
So interesting dear "blog author." I posted a comment yesterday, and it is not here. Maybe I missed it; I looked twice. It was a reasonable post, not really attacking any other poster personally, like some posts that I've seen here. Maybe I didn't say "fuck" enough or "whore" in my post, like Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan did in his...
Found it...
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