August 17, 2019

"The Palestinian Group That Arranged Tlaib And Omar’s West Bank Trip Once Claimed Jews Put Christian Blood In Matzah."

The Forward reports.
Miftah, a not-for-profit run by longtime Palestinian peace negotiator Hanan Ashrawi, was forced to apologize in 2013 after publishing an article on its website criticizing then-President Barack Obama for hosting a Passover Seder at the White House, JTA reported at the time.

“Does Obama in fact know the relationship, for example, between ‘Passover’ and ‘Christian blood’..?! Or ‘Passover’ and ‘Jewish blood rituals?!’” read the post. “Much of the chatter and gossip about historical Jewish blood rituals in Europe are real and not fake as they claim; the Jews used the blood of Christians in the Jewish Passover.”

Accusations that Jews killed Christian children and used their blood to bake matzah was used for centuries to justify pogroms and other anti-Semitic acts....

107 comments:

gilbar said...

Same as it ever was, Same as it EVER was

gilbar said...

here's a fun train of thought

Jews won't eat unclean animals
Jews won't eat the blood even of clean animals
Jews eat Matzah
People are unclean
Non Jewish people are PARTICULARLY UNCLEANS
THEREFORE, Jews MUST be putting the blood of Christians into the Matzah they eat?

EdwdLny said...

These vile assertions are rampant in anti semite organizations. So why would any allegedly intelligent individual pay the slightest attention to them, let alone actively promote and support them ? Those who do should be recognized as intellectually deficient and exposed as such....publicly. That two U.S. Congress members do is abhorrent. That the majority of the media support them and their utterances is despicable.

Rory said...

The only way to get out of this is to abandon all the grievance myths.

J. Farmer said...

Same as it ever was, Same as it EVER was

My favorite Talking Heads’ song.

n.n said...

Allegations of diversity, political phobias, aborting grandma, Christian blood in matzah... Another clause under Godwin's law. There has been great progress.

Howard said...

Blogger J. Farmer said... Same as it ever was, Same as it EVER was My favorite Talking Heads’ song.

Same here because it's the only song I am aware of about hydrogeology. That plus living in a shotgun shack behind the wheel of a large automobile with a beautiful wife

Lyle said...

Minnesota and Michigan are anti-semitic states now. Disinvest from them, don't buy their products, and don't travel there until they run these ladies out of office.

Lol!

gilbar said...

i was going to try to make a link, but i wanted to be 1st post!
Once in a lifetime (same as it ever was)

traditionalguy said...

That is the "Blood Libel" accusation that Catholic politicians used regularly for a thousand years to whip up nationwide mobs to murder European Jews kept in pockets where they were being allowed to live the between attacks. You could say that is exactly why Zionism arose 120 years ago and reclaimed Judea and Samaria as a Jewish State with the right of self defense.

But the war on Jews continues with few real Jew allies outside the Southern Baptists who actually believe the Bible.

Anthony said...

Let’s just call them what they are: Muslim Supremacists

Heartless Aztec said...

@Anthony - concur.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

What ever did Jews make matzah of before Christ, anyway? It's not as though Passover didn't exist B.C.; there was, for example, that whole "Last Supper" thing ...

rhhardin said...

You have to make allowances for people who put it out but actually believe it. The derangement syndrome genus.

Hagar said...

Judaism is the one religion that has an explicit prohibition against human sacrifice, i.e., the story of Abraham and Jacob.

I speculate that this "blood libel" thing arose from the Romans conflating Jews and Phoenicians (esp. Carthage being a Phoenician colony), considering both to be Levantine troublemakers, and the early Roman Christians being anxious to distinguish themselves from the Jews.

gilbar said...

Anthony said... Let’s just call them what they are: Muslim Supremacists

Oh COME ON!
IF they thought they were Supremacists, wouldn't they be installing loudspeakers and BLARING their 'call to worship' 5 times a day?

IF they thought they were Supremacists, Wouldn't they be screaming "Allah is Greatest" all the time?

cf said...

Darnit, you guyz! You have planted that rousing chorus in my head, and its not even dawn.

i'll be boppin around with this hearty beat all day long.

(who knew muslim supremacist chatting would cheer my day so?)

rhhardin said...

The protocols of the elders of zion is basically Trump derangement syndrome.

Bob Boyd said...

It's really great that we can add centuries old, intractable, middle-eastern hatreds to the menu here in the United States.
Since our own history as a nation is relatively short, we should seize the opportunity to import more diversity in terms of bitter grudge holding over the differences of long dead ancestors.

tommyesq said...

"Peace negotiator" - unusual way to seek peace...

stevew said...

Well... how did I get here?

It is difficult to explain the innovative freshness of Talking Heads music absent the context of the time in which it was released.

The long used Jewish Blood Libel, lovely people these that use and, I guess, believe it. I wonder what Tlaib's district constituents think of her work and advocacy for the Palestinians? Is that part of what they voted her in to do?

Owen said...

Bob Boyd: what you said.

Sebastian said...

"The Palestinian Group That Arranged Tlaib And Omar’s West Bank Trip Once Claimed Jews Put Christian Blood In Matzah."

Are there any Muslims who don't believe that?

American MSM conveniently ignore what the Palis et al. actually say, but blood in matzah is the least of it.

stevew said...

Was Tina Weymouth the first famous female bassist? Her work in that song is amazingly simple and effective.

Virgil Hilts said...

I was thinking of posting the old comparison of the accomplishments of Jews versus Muslims. I type - accomplishments of jews versus those of muslims - into Google. Hmm that's strange. Then I put the same words into duckduckgo. And same thing with Yahoo. OK, I'm not confused; Google is just manipulating things again.

Bob Boyd said...

In Minnesota people tend to keep forgetting they're mad at someone who didn't return a cassarole dish.
Hopefully Ms. Tlaib will help spice things up a bit for those folks.

Fernandistein said...

Um, I think Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln would beg to agree with the Arabs.

But this is the bad part:
"Miftah receives government funding from countries including Switzerland, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, Italy, Austria, Germany, Ireland, and Norway, and from US-funded NGOs that receive government funding, NGO Monitor reported."

TheThinMan said...

Israel to the two stooges: “This ain’t no party, this ain’t no disco, this ain’t no foolin’ around.”

Matt Sablan said...

Would this be like the KKK trying to send people somewhere?

narciso said...

No shes katherine grahams hippy daughter.

Bill, Republic of Texas said...

Miftah, a not-for-profit run by longtime Palestinian peace negotiator Hanan Ashrawi, was forced to apologize in 2013 after publishing an article on its website criticizing then-President Barack Obama for hosting a Passover Seder at the White House,

Ponder that.

Bob Boyd said...

Would this be like the KKK trying to send people somewhere?

I'm picturing a guy in a white hood starting to complain that he can't go to Israel to hug his grandma, then going, "Oh...I...uh...shit."

Howard said...

Wrecking Crew Chick on Bass

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Kaye

Matt Sablan said...

Also: I think it is BS that she decided: "Well, if I can't go and make a scene, sorry grandma, you're just not that important that I can't keep my mouth shut for a few days to enjoy time with you."

You can just FEEL THE LOVE.

Ralph L said...

Let's have some DNA testing.

Darrell said...

When did they stop grinding Pali bones to make their bread?

stevew said...

Thanks Howard, had not heard of her.

Fernandistein said...
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exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

Hagar wrote:

I speculate that this "blood libel" thing arose from the Romans conflating Jews and Phoenicians (esp. Carthage being a Phoenician colony), considering both to be Levantine troublemakers, and the early Roman Christians being anxious to distinguish themselves from the Jews.

8/17/19, 7:30 AM

Antisemitism truly is the world's oldest hatred. It predates Christianity, although the Church certainly intensified it by labeling the Jews Christ-killers.

Kosher laws prohibited Jews from dining with non-Jews and that made both the Greeks and Romans suspicious. So did the Jewish refusal to accept other people's gods. Polytheists considered monotheism intolerant. The Jews took a dim view of brutal Roman games and public baths. The pagans took a dim view of circumcision. The Romans thought Judea was filled with odd, fanatical prudes and troublemakers.

But the Jews also had their admirers. By the time of Christ, there was already a large Jewish diaspora, with well-established Jewish communities in cities like Alexandria and Rome itself. Those communities tended to be more cosmopolitan and more lax about Jewish observance and they mingled more with the native populations. They even intermarried and attracted converts. It was those communities St. Paul (himself a diaspora Jew) targeted as he traveled throughout the Near East seeking converts to Christianity.

In the 19th century, sophisticated German Jews were embarrassed by the Orthodox Jews from Eastern Europe and wished to disassociate themselves from those they viewed as uncouth primitives. But the rift between assimilated diaspora Jews and the strictly Orthodox has existed for a very long time.





Ken B said...

Now, defend your snopes related implication that Omar is not an anti Semite.

gilbar said...

stevew said...
Was Tina Weymouth the first famous female bassist? Her work in that song is amazingly simple and effective.

i guess it depends on how you define 'famous'
i think that'd be Suzi Quatro (she started back in '64, with her sisters),
{She reached no. 1 in the UK and other European countries and Australia with her singles "Can the Can" (1973) and "Devil Gate Drive" (1974).}
but most people hadn't heard of her until she became Leather Tuscadero

Mark said...

And predictably here comes tradguy to counter anti-Semitic libel with his own hateful anti-Catholic bigoted libel.

Ambrose said...

A culture that has stolen everything it has from other cultures cannot even make up its own libels.

Drago said...

Mark: "And predictably here comes tradguy to counter anti-Semitic libel with his own hateful anti-Catholic bigoted libel."

I am afraid tradguy's observation is historical fact so, sorry.

Narayanan said...

...longtime Palestinian peace negotiator Hanan Ashrawi,..

Also honey trapped Peter Jennings reporting from Middle East.

Narayanan said...

She's Christian not Muslim.

Bob Boyd said...
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Birkel said...

They seem nice.
/sarc

William said...

Can we all agree that passing along the thought that Jews prepare their matzohs with the blood of Christian victims is an anti-Semitic act? Or is that something that's only wrong if Nazis do it?....If you drew a Venn Diagram of anti-Semitic thoughts and thoughts expressed by Tlaib, I think you'd find a considerable overlap. Palestinians use a lot of third world. wretched of the earth, rhetoric, but there is also an unmistable tinge of anti-Semitism in their talk.

gilbar said...

when you've lost Bill Maher, you've lost america!

The HBO star quoted BDS movement founder Omar Barghouti, who said, "No Palestinian -- rational Palestinian, not a sellout Palestinian -- will ever accept a Jewish state in Palestine."

Amadeus 48 said...

So, is this story from the Onion or the Babylon Bee? I'm confused about what I am supposed to think per the next post. Or is it from The Forward? Am I supposed to believe it or laugh at it?

Well, I believe it because a lot of radical Islamists are crazy. But I still think the substance is laughable, except that IT'S NOT FUNNY.

Drago said...

William: "Can we all agree that passing along the thought that Jews prepare their matzohs with the blood of Christian victims is an anti-Semitic act?"

I will have to wait for J Farmer to rule on that as his threshold for establishing anti-semitism on the part of an individual is amazingly high.

I suspect Farmer's Magic Anti-semitism Detector 8-Ball would categorize Louis Farrakhan as "Ask Again Later".

Drago said...

William: "Palestinians use a lot of third world. wretched of the earth, rhetoric, but there is also an unmistable tinge of anti-Semitism in their talk."

"Tinge"??!!

How about a friggin torrent?

Amadeus 48 said...

J Farmer sincerely argues a lot of crazy things, but he will tell you that he is not anti-semitic and that he doesn't care about Israel.

Others may differ.

Michael K said...

Islam is a Jewish heresy. Muhammed thought it up (with the help of Allah. Was LSD available in 600 ?) as an improvement and was pissed that the Jews of Arabia did not adopt it. The similarities in diet and monotheism are obvious.

gilbar said...

Other issues with Rep Tlaib:

Democratic party: Tlaib, a member of the Democratic Socialists of America, aligns politically with the left wing of the Democratic Party.
Domestic policy: She supports domestic reforms, including "Medicare For All" (single-payer healthcare) and a $18 to $20 hourly minimum wage.
Immigration: Tlaib was an early supporter of the movement to abolish the Immigration Customs Enforcement agency.


a TWENTY dollar an hour MINIMUM wage, AND Medicare for ALL (including illegals?)
And! get rid of ICE! No Borders! No Wall!! No USA at ALL!!!

chickelit said...

This issue is gonna unseat Tlaib in Congress. That news is gonna unhinge her and make her strap one on (a bomb).

n.n said...

"Medicare For All" (single-payer healthcare) and a $18 to $20 hourly minimum wage

Unless we get our finances in order, mitigate progressive prices, clear the Green blight from our environment, and effect emigration reform, this will have popular support.

abolish the Immigration Customs Enforcement agency

Probably not. Americans value their civil rights too much to conflate Constitution, statutes, asylum, and special and peculiar interests, foreign and domestic.

narciso said...

Safar al hawali, a leading ikwan scholar, noted the similarities, of course he thought judaism was the heresy.

Francisco D said...

The similarities in diet and monotheism are obvious.

The similar dietary restrictions of Kosher and Halal may be due with heat and the lack of sanitary condition in the Middle East centuries ago. Religious leaders of both faiths saw the importance of stressing health to their people. Also, the two cultures probably consume less alcohol than other cultures.

As to your point about Jewish heresy, isn't that true of Christianity? Much of the modern world springs from the well of Judaism.

Beasts of England said...

’Thanks Howard, had not heard of her.’

If you have an interest in studio musicians from her era, you need to watch ‘The Wrecking Crew’. Highly recommended.

narciso said...

No because christianity tried to strive away fron the legalism that characterized the other faiths.

Marc said...

"And predictably here comes tradguy to counter anti-Semitic libel with his own hateful anti-Catholic bigoted libel."

The gentleman has his facts and he knows them and they are facts, facts, I tell you. It doesn't serve any useful purpose to argue with him-- accept that he is one of the commenters here of fairly long standing and move on.

J. Farmer said...

@Amadeus 48:

J Farmer sincerely argues a lot of crazy things, but he will tell you that he is not anti-semitic and that he doesn't care about Israel.

Others may differ.


Damn, you uncovered my nefarious plot to lie about my opinions in order to fool a bunch of anonymous Internet commenters.

traditionalguy said...

NB: I am not anti Catholic any more than I am anti Episcopalian and or anti Methodist or anti Presbyterian. But the history of anti semitism in those Churches is what it is. Until WWII and the shame of the Holocaust it was tacitly always there under the surface. Why it was there is a discussion, but covering up its history no longer works.

Otto said...

"the Southern Baptists who actually believe the Bible." Gee you could have fooled the people in my church.
Seriously that is an ignorant statement to make . There are many other Protestant and Catholics who believe the Bible.

Qwinn said...

Farmer, I think it's a fair question. I've never seen you be anything other than completely dismissive of any charge of anti-semitism. Per you, anyone who believes it exists is an SJW.

No one is more contemptuous of SJW's than I am, but that's because they abuse the charge of racism to insane levels, not because racism doesn't or can't exist. (In fact, it is SJWs themselves that evince the most racist behavior).

So, please, tell us what your threshold for who is a *legitimate* anti-Semite. Doee anyone alive at all fit the bill? Farrakhan? Tlaib? Anyone? Or is it literally impossible to actually deserve the charge of anti-Semitism?

Michael K said...

The similar dietary restrictions of Kosher and Halal may be due with heat and the lack of sanitary condition in the Middle East centuries ago.

I agree and also agree that pork, improperly cooked, is a health hazard.

I also agree that Christianity is a derived religion from Judaism but it acknowledges as much. There was a good deal of anti-Jewish prejudice, probably as much from the refusal to adopt the "new version" as with Islam but Islam stopped evolving and Christianity did not.

Islam is stuck in the middle ages and seems unable to progress. Tom Holland's histories suggest why,. Rodney Stark also has some suggestions about why Christianity has progressed so well.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

But the history of anti semitism in those Churches is what it is. Until WWII and the shame of the Holocaust it was tacitly always there under the surface. Why it was there is a discussion, but covering up its history no longer works.

8/17/19, 11:04 AM

I am Catholic and I agree with this. While Nazi Jew hatred was mainly based on pseudo-scientific nonsense, a long tradition of Catholic and Christian persecution of Jews provided the foundation of European antisemitism. As I noted earlier, the Church didn't invent antisemitism, but it certainly strengthened and reinforced it.

J. Farmer said...

@Qwinn:

If a racist person says blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crime, that’s a true statement. The fact that a racist says it doesn’t have any bearing on whether or not the statement is true or not. If someone says Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world, that’s a false statement. It’s the argument that matters, not why someone makes the argument. Also, it’s a basic principle that you judge people by their individual character and not by their group affiliation. Judging someone negatively simply because they are Jewish would be an example of anti-Semitism. If someone makes a criticism of Israeli policy, all that matters is whether or not the critique is true or false. Why the person makes the critique is irrelevant in evaluating the critique. That’s my point of view in a nutshell.

Mark said...

I am not anti Catholic any more than I am anti Episcopalian and or anti Methodist or anti Presbyterian

I don't know about the others. I've never seen you comment about the others. But you have a LONG and ugly history of anti-Catholic bigoted statements.

And since you left out Lutherans, check out what Luther had to say about Jews.

Seeing Red said...

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s. Render unto God what is God’s?

Otto said...

For God so loved the WORLD, He GAVE his only begotten Son, that whosever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. Jn 3:16
He wasn't murdered. Stating such is making a mockery of the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

“Why the person makes the critique is irrelevant in evaluating the critique.”

True and incredibly naive at once. Maybe Biden was right!

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

For myself, I don’t know whether to be enraged or wildly amused that the Democrat Party now has a David Duke wing. Distinct from their Jefferson Davis, George Wallace, and Robert Byrd wings, natch.

Birkel said...

Why the person made the statement is usually a roadmap to what was left unsaid.
Smug don't care.

J. Farmer said...

@Cracker:

How so?

Sebastian said...

"If someone makes a criticism of Israeli policy, all that matters is whether or not the critique is true or false."

No, that is not all that matters.

If someone makes a criticism of Israel that s/he never makes about any other country that might have engaged in similar or worse conduct, and if in developing the critique the critic invokes standards never applied to anyone else, and if the critic infers from the criticism that the country criticized, uniquely among all countries, has no right to exist, then, even if the critique contains kernels of "truth," we will judge the critic as well as the criticism. What matters also, in such cases, is that the critics are nasty antisemites and that they are willing to do great harm to the Jews.

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...


“@Cracker:

How so?”

Sebastian, God bless him, just eloquently and succinctly answered that question, sparing me a half hour of trying to compose a coherent answer.

J. Farmer said...

@Sebastian:

Those are all examples of how to criticize an argument. Criticizing why the person does it is irrelevant.

Qwinn said...

Farmer,

I agree with Sebastian. Your position that a given statement is true is all that matters disregards the concepts of disparate standards and ignoring relevant context.

That whites practiced slavery is a true statement. That every other race also did, and that whites were the first to end it, and spent a tremendous amount of blood and treasure to do so, is also true. SJW's will stress the first statement and ignore the context of the rest.

Plenty of criticisms of Israeli policy are technically true but likewise hide or ignore similar relevant context, and apply standards not applied to anyone else.

Is there anyone alive that you feel is unfair in their "true" criticisms of Israel as a result of double standards and ignored context, in the same manner as is frequently applied to whites?

narciso said...

David duke is no longer relevant, thats why he cites omar and tlaib to make him so.

J. Farmer said...

@Qwinn;

Then make the argument pointing out the double standards and the context. Calling someone an antisemite does neither of that.

Bob Boyd said...

Criticizing why the person does it is irrelevant.

Criticizing why the person does it puts a nice nut sauce on your nutshell.

J. Farmer said...

@Bob

Haha. Touché.

Qwinn said...

Farmer,

It's a matter of credibility and animus. If a person or group is repeatedly guilty of hiding context and applying double standards suddenly comes up with a new accusation for which there is no current available context, their credibility and past behavior is relevant in whether to require additional information before acknowedging guilt.

I think you recognize this in the context of whites. The SPLC, as an example, constantly evinces anti-white animus, and can be relied upon to be consistently unfair in its standards. Do you really believe that their obvious aggression is irrelevant, and we must treat every charge they make against a white person on its own merits as if it came from a totally unknown source?

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

“Those are all examples of how to criticize an argument. Criticizing why the person does it is irrelevant.”

Because arguments, especially political ones, are made in a vacuum.

I know what you’re saying, Farmer, but trying to apply some dry Scientific Method standard to politically loaded statements is nonsense. You know this, of course, which is probably why you draw accusations of smugness or disingenuousness, depending on the charity of the accuser.

William said...

In the wretched of the earth sweepstakes, the Syrians have far surpassed any suffering that the Palestinians have undergone. Compounding their tragedy is the fact that none of it can be blamed on the Israelis or the Americans. That's a definite problem when it comes to raising money. The Palestinians, as victims of Israeli oppression, have a pretty sweet deal. The subsidies make for a nice living. Much higher than their far more miserable neighbors in Libya, Syria, and Yemen. The leaders of the Palestinians have a considerable gift for corruption and oppression but anything they inflict on their people is nothing compared to the injustice of an Israeli checkpoint. I wonder who will tire of the Palestinians first: the Arabs or the western left?

Drago said...

Apparently, finding an anti-semite is harder than finding a 4-leaf clover!!

Birkel said...

Guilty, The Cracker Emcee Refulgent.
I am neither indulgent nor charitable (online).

Smug won't be other than Smug.
He knows his arguments about the nature of the speaker are flabby deflections.
Multiple people above wrote to explain why.
Me less eloquently but no less accurately than others because I have so little time for Smug.

Smug will continue to Smugly Smug the Smug long day.
(I imagine J Farmer as Smug Smurf.)

Char Char Binks said...

Snopes declares this "Mostly False", because terms like "blood", "Christian" and "matzah" [sic] are open to interpretation.*

Politifact gives it "Four Pinocchios" and warns against using this as a blood libel against Palestinians.**



*Not really, but imagine if it did.

** My pants are LITERALLY on fire!

William said...

True anti-Semitism is best defined by those who make fun of Nadler's weight. That's real Third Reich stuff. Anything Tlaib has ever said pales in comparison with that vile shit. Say what you want about Tlaib, she has never made fun of Nadler's weight like some of the bigots here.

Alex said...

The Squads's pants are on fire!

Alex said...

chickelit said...
This issue is gonna unseat Tlaib in Congress. That news is gonna unhinge her and make her strap one on (a bomb).

8/17/19, 9:44 AM


Uh no, that district in Michigan is a super safe seat for her. Just like AOC's Bronx seat, majority-minority and all that. I think it's great having The Squad(TM) in Congress, it focuses the American people on how crazy the Democrats are and will help re-elect The Don in 2020!

Daniel Jackson said...

Alas, the generation of Survivors and Liberators of the Camps are rapidly disappearing resulting in the reappearance of an age old virus that has been in its latency phase for a few generations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus_latency

I used to disagree with my rabbis who warned that this virus would return. Even here.

I regret to say they were correct.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

"The Palestinians, as victims of Israeli oppression, have a pretty sweet deal. The subsidies make for a nice living. Much higher than their far more miserable neighbors in Libya, Syria, and Yemen."

Yep. Having the Jews as their enemies means they get awarded extra victim brownie points by antisemites on the left and right. Just as black lives only seem to matter when white cops shoot them, "anti-Zionists" don't give a damn when Muslims kill Muslims.

You notice they don't seem to use those subsidies to improve their surroundings. If you're going to hunker down in refugee camps for decades, you'd think you'd use that money to clean up those shitholes. I know that they all think that the camps are temporary and one day the Jews will be thrown into the sea and they will reclaim their land in Israel. But hell, when I lived in an apartment, I fixed it up nicely even though I knew I wasn't going to live there forever. However, tidying the place up would mean less money for Hamas. And a big loss of victim brownie points. We all know the Left doesn't like to see "oppressed" people actually taking non-violent actions to improve their lives.



gilbar said...

i seldom agree with much of what J Farmer says; but i listen to his arguments, and (because!), i never seen him fall into potty mouth (unlike some). Makes you think that others could draw from that.

narciso said...


https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/08/may-god-ruin-trump-says-rep-rashida-tlaibs-grandmother/

bagoh20 said...

" longtime Palestinian peace negotiator"

Now THAT'S a career with job security.

J. Farmer said...

@Qwinn:

Do you really believe that their obvious aggression is irrelevant, and we must treat every charge they make against a white person on its own merits as if it came from a totally unknown source?

In the merit of any of their arguments, their "obvious aggression" is totally irrelevant. I don't pay any attention to what the SPLC says (just as I pay no attention to 9/11 conspiracists), but if someone were to parrot an SPLC argument, I would explain why that argument was wrong. Even an anti-white person can make a valid argument.

J. Farmer said...

@The Cracker Emcee Refulgent:

I know what you’re saying, Farmer, but trying to apply some dry Scientific Method standard to politically loaded statements is nonsense. You know this, of course, which is probably why you draw accusations of smugness or disingenuousness, depending on the charity of the accuser.

If by "dry scientific method" you mean elementary logic, I'm afraid I'm guilty as charged. And as far as "accusations of smugness or disingenuousness," whatever. I'll grant you whatever critiques of my personality you wish to make. Call me smug, call me disingenuous, call me whatever. It takes a lot to make me cry. But as I've tried to point out a million times before, being smug or disingenuous doesn't make you wrong.

J. Farmer said...

@Drago:

Apparently, finding an anti-semite is harder than finding a 4-leaf clover!!

Except I've already given multiple examples of what I consider anti-semitism. If you want to keep attacking some strawman who claims that anti-Semitism doesn't exist, feel free. But it has nothing to do with anything I've said.

J. Farmer said...

@Birkel:

Me less eloquently but no less accurately than others because I have so little time for Smug.

Yes yes, I know. This is about the 50th time you've told me that. You remind me of Michael K who has told me over and over that he doesn't bother reading what I write and that I'm not worth arguing with, as he quotes what I write and argues with me.

(I imagine J Farmer as Smug Smurf.)

I prefer Smug the Magnificent.

Drago said...

J Farmer: "If you want to keep attacking some strawman who claims that anti-Semitism doesn't exist, feel free. But it has nothing to do with anything I've said."

Did I say I was referring to you?

Do you have contemporaneous witnesses that will testify I was speaking to you?

Is there an objective linguistic standard that proves I was speaking to you?

I'm afraid I am going to have to insist that I be afforded the very same presumptions and rules of "evidence" that you afford to the undeniably anti-semitic hacks Tlaib and Omar.

Pookie Number 2 said...

Slightly off-topic, but Sabbath rules kept me from responding to Farmer’s point that Omar referred to Israel, rather than Jews, as those “hypnotizing” the world. He’s correct, of course, which was my point. Criticizing Israel for its wrongdoings is fair game. Criticizing Israel using the exact same ludicrous accusations that Jew-haters have always flung at Jews is anti-Semitic.

J. Farmer said...

@Drago:

I'm afraid I am going to have to insist that I be afforded the very same presumptions and rules of "evidence" that you afford to the undeniably anti-semitic hacks Tlaib and Omar.

Okay, here's my evidence you were referring to me:

In the previous post on this topic you wrote, "On the contrary, its absolutely the best approach imaginable if your objective is to make it impossible to categorize anyone as an anti-semite." And you wrote: "Thats quite a hypothetical considering its apparently impossible to identify any anti-semitic people anywhere."

And in this thread you wrote: "I will have to wait for J Farmer to rule on that as his threshold for establishing anti-semitism on the part of an individual is amazingly high." And then directly after my back-and-forth you wrote, "Apparently, finding an anti-semite is harder than finding a 4-leaf clover!!"

So now please reciprocate and provide me the evidence that Omar and Tlaib are anti-Semitic? I've asked for this, and the only thing people have brought up was a tweet saying that Israel had hypnotized the world from seven years ago.

But I get that evidence isn't really your thing, since you can say things like, "My comment directed at your comments was to call out your wording that implies the jews in that area before WW2 were transients who moved in. A significant % were descendents from that area for millennia." Like many Americans, you have strong opinions on the Israel-Palestine conflict without being minimally acquainted with the basic facts of the conflict. Of course, it's not what you don't know about the conflict that's the problem, it's what you do know that ain't so.

J. Farmer said...

@Pookie Number 2:

Criticizing Israel for its wrongdoings is fair game. Criticizing Israel using the exact same ludicrous accusations that Jew-haters have always flung at Jews is anti-Semitic.

So the sum total of the evidence for her anti-Semitism is that she she wrote a tweet seven years ago in which she criticized Israel using a trope that other people who hate Jews have used. I think that's pretty weak sauce. But I will grant that's the best evidence that's put forth yet. I just don't think it amounts to much.

And of course I should reiterate that I have no particular reason to be charitable to the Congresswomen. I don't share their politics, and if my preferred policies were followed, they wouldn't even be in the country. But dispositionally I am typically against by responding to people's arguments or beliefs by accusing them of such ism or phobia (racism, sexism, homophobia, Islamophobia, xenophobia, etc.). I do not carve out a special excpetion for anti-Semitism.