August 28, 2019

"A Madison School Board member’s comparison of police to Nazis and of Dane County’s juvenile jail to concentration camps is drawing the ire of local law enforcement."

"In a Facebook post Saturday highlighting the plight of youth detained at the Dane County Juvenile Detention Center, Ali Muldrow said: 'I think that (it’s) important to talk about what it is like for the students who are arrested at school and end up in the Dane County Jail. We would not talk about the role of the Nazis and act as if the experiences people had in concentration camps is a separate issue.'... Muldrow didn’t back off her comparison Monday afternoon, saying in a Facebook message to the State Journal that 'the rounding up a specific demographics of people including LGBTQ folks and folks with disabilities, than institutionalizing them in locked facilities, is being done now in a variety of ways and was also done in Nazi Germany.'... One of the reasons using Jewish people as an example is important is because no one would ever dare say the Jewish community deserved to be detained during the Holocaust.... However, when black communities are targeted for incarceration the argument is often about their actions, not the state’s.'"

The Wisconsin State Journal reports.

54 comments:

Seeing Red said...

Chaos in the classroom.

How can one learn?

No safe spaces.

Gahrie said...

The difference is, the Jews were incarcerated because they were Jews. Black males are incarcerated because they are criminals. In other words, the Jews were persecuted for who they were. Black males are prosecuted for what they do.

henry said...

need scare quotes on "schools" in Madison.

Angle-Dyne, Servant of Ugliness said...

It's always a good sign when your school board is stocked with people who can't think or express themselves coherently.

Mike Sylwester said...

when black communities are targeted for incarceration, the argument is ...

How many people accept that premise of her argument?

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

We're all racist Nazi white supremacists now. I saw it last night on CNN.

Mike Sylwester said...

Like most people, I never vote in school-board elections.

That's how dopes like Ali Muldrow get elected.

Hagar said...

These people have absolutely no idea of the horrors of the World Wars.

Michael K said...

Left wingers gotta left whinge.

Karen of Texas said...

...However, when black communities are targeted for incarceration the argument is often about their actions, not the state’s.'"

There is something profoundly skewed in the emotional development of anyone who makes a claim like this. This is someone who always wants to excuse the actions of the individual - it isn't their fault! - and place the responsibility on others. Victimhood 101... I am so glad I don't go through life bkaming everyone else for my $hit sandwiches. It must be exhausting.

Lucien said...

I think Biden has found his Veep candidate.

Fernandistein said...

Ali Muldrow

She crazy black chick.

Bob Boyd said...

The solution is simple.
Every time you arrest a black male you also arrest a white female.
Problem solved. You're welcome.

Karen of Texas said...

People who think like Ali Muldrow are one of the reasons why you end up with a large, incarcerated population of male black youths.

tim maguire said...

Mike Sylwester said...
when black communities are targeted for incarceration, the argument is ...

How many people accept that premise of her argument?


I bet a large portion of the black community does.

traditionalguy said...

Law and order is the eternal enemy of the lawless, and no matter how many laws young idealists repeal or decide not to enforce anymore, the lawless will spy out another example of oppression to scream about the evils of Law Enforcement. They are seeking to legitimize ANTIFA thugocracy.

CWJ said...

"One of the reasons using Jewish people as an example is important is because no one would ever dare say the Jewish community deserved to be detained during the Holocaust.... However, when black communities are targeted for incarceration the argument is often about their actions, not the state’s."

detained during the Holocaust!?!
targeted for incarceration!?!

The argument SHOULD be about their actions. Do their actions warrant arrest, yes or no.

Does she sincerely believe what she says? I don't know whether this person is stupid, or just rabble rousing. Maybe both.

Gusty Winds said...

Let them all out to run loose through Madison. That will solve everything, and all liberal Madison residents will fell great about it.

Phidippus said...

I'd love to see these lefty assholes locked in a ghetto for a few weeks with no police available.

It might give them a new insight to the painful choices adults have to make when confronted by reality.

On the other hand, nah, it probably wouldn't.

gspencer said...

"However, when black communities are targeted for incarceration the argument is often about their actions, not the state’s"

Wow, there's stupid, and there's really stupid.

Dave Begley said...

When will people learn? Never, ever use the Hitler analogy. He was the worst! Over 7 million killed.

exiledonmainstreet, green-eyed devil said...

I wish every idiot leftist who screams about Nazis and concentration camps could be time-traveled back to Auschwitz in 1944 for just 5 minutes.

buwaya said...

Well, there's a (minor) expression of tribalism for you.
It is a weak tribe though, and they mainly manage to hurt themselves.

AllenS said...

She has since apologized --

LINK TEXT

Phil 314 said...

If my 23 and me profile has 0.02% genetic makeup from Africa can I join in the fun too!

Surely Hitler would hate me too!

Beasts of England said...

’...no one would ever dare say the Jewish community deserved to be detained during the Holocaust.’

I don’t think detention was the worst aspect of the Holocaust, but I’ve never been elected to a school board.

Char Char Binks said...

A broken-windows policy is unpopular with the window-breaking community.

Bobb said...

The people of Wisconsin vote for progressives, then act surprised that they have irrational bigots in office.

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

Mein Campus

Balfegor said...

To a first approximation, all Jews were rounded up and put in concentration camps. According to the NAACP, there were 2.3 million African Americans in prison in 2014. There's about 37 million African Americans in the US. So only about 6% of the African American population is in prison.

If the justice system is trying to target African Americans for incarceration because they are African American, it is not doing so effectively.

joshbraid said...

The Lord of the Flies was not a user manual. Is Madison becoming more like Sweden?

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/lord-of-the-flies-letter-from-sweden/

tommyesq said...

The difference is, the Jews were incarcerated because they were Jews. Black males are incarcerated because they are criminals. In other words, the Jews were persecuted for who they were. Black males are prosecuted for what they do.

Ideally this is the case. I suspect, in the real world, that there is a little of both this and targeting, human nature being what it is and all.

SeanF said...

Mike Sylwester: Like most people, I never vote in school-board elections.

That's how dopes like Ali Muldrow get elected.


There's two ways to parse this, and I honestly can't tell which one you intended.

MadTownGuy said...

Ali Muldrow's non-apology.

Also, where's your Blaska tag?

J. Farmer said...

Michelle Alexander wrote an entire book on black incarceration called The New Jim Crow that doesn't once mention the word "crime."

Static Ping said...

I am starting to get the impression that some of our "elites" do not understand how civilization works and simply assume it is the natural order of things that will persist and thrive regardless of whatever stupid ideas they champion this week. They also seem incapable of thinking other than repeating intersectionality platitudes like it is holy scripture, which is most odd since it is a secular religion with hell but no heaven.

These people are doomed. It is simply a matter if they are going to take everyone else with them.

n.n said...

Diversity and abortion chambers? No, but rather incarceration of individuals after commission of crimes against the community and people. Transgenders were never affected, but thrown in for the sake of social justice and to secure the empathy vote (homophobia or generally transphobia). However, that changed with the institution of transgender therapy and "woke" people that progressed indoctrination and medical corruption of adolescent and prepubescent children into transversal mental and/or physical states. So, only two straw clowns, this time.

n.n said...

We're all racist Nazi white supremacists now

While diversity, notably rabid, was a peculiar feature of the regime, they are conflating national socialism, color supremacy, and abortion chambers, too.

hstad said...

Just another 'Elite" race hustler trying to stay relevant.

Booker T. Washington said it best:
"There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public."

Known Unknown said...

I just find it funny that this is happening in the super-tolerant progressive universe of Madison, Wisconsin.

Tomcc said...

I'm one of those people who find it difficult to work productively in a chaotic environment. Not impossible, but really difficult. Is it the case that people who grow up in chaotic environments wish to propagate that experience? What is the logical conclusion of that policy?

rhhardin said...

A concentration camp would be a perfect place to think, you'd imagine.

rhhardin said...

These studies begun before the war were continued and written down for the most part in captivity. The stalag is evoked here not as a guarantee of profundity nor as a claim to indulgence, but as an explanation for the absence of any consideration of those philosophical works published, with so much impact, between 1940 and 1945.

- Emmanuel Levinas _Existence and Existents_ preface end

policraticus said...

The most compelling argument against Ali Muldrow's contention is that he is allowed to make a case that the police are Nazis and the jails are concentration camps without ending up in a concentration camp himself or hanging from a meat hook somewhere.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Holy shit, so now any school or law enforcement personnel daring to enforce rules or the law against black or LGBTQ offenders are equivalent to Nazis.

I hope you nice centrist people are happy with what you've normalized, Professor. I know it's not really your problem--people of your sociopolitical status will probably send their kids to private schools where "problem" students are simply kept out--but the actual, real world effect of this kind of insanity is that the non-problem children in struggling public schools have to endure hell because no one in authority will punish or remove misbehaving or dangerous students.

But hey, at least when those parents finally have enough and move to different, likely less-diverse suburbs you get to have a good time sneering at their "white flight" and calling them racists!

Thanks!

Rick said...
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Rick said...

'the rounding up a specific demographics of people including LGBTQ folks and folks with disabilities, than institutionalizing them in locked facilities

Her comments have many problems including that this isn't actually happening.

But consider the decision trees activists are trying to enforce. When schools use their own disciplinary system activists challenge anything which forces schools to manage conduct as criminal. This forces schools to engage the criminal justice system because it can't replicate the legal protections. Then activists argue against the only option they've left the school with as if the law doesn't matter if the crime happens at school. As a result activists have blocked all avenues for discipline. Remember they are concurrently complaining schools are racistly ineffective as if actions and consequences are unrelated.

RichardJohnson said...

J. Farmer @ 9:46 a.m.

Michelle Alexander wrote an entire book on black incarceration called The New Jim Crow that doesn't once mention the word "crime."

Not so. In her book, there are 366 instances of the root word "crime." This would include the words "crime" and "anticrime," for example. There are 437 examples of "criminal." (Convert to PDF, which does the counting for you.)


The New Jim Crow.

RichardJohnson said...

Has School Board member Ali Muldrow ever taught in a classroom? I very much doubt it.

gerry said...

Are LGBTQ people in Madison's school system forced to wear some sort of I.D. so police can pick them out of a crowd of students?

JAORE said...

If the justice system is trying to target African Americans for incarceration because they are African American, it is not doing so effectively.

They are doing better, percentage wise, than the cops that are actively hunting down black youth for being black.

Robert Marshall said...

People complaining about a group being incarcerated "disproportionately" need to explicitly complete the thought: disproportionate to WHAT? "Disproportion" means nothing without knowing what it refers to.

If they mean disproportionately to their sanctionable conduct, that's a valid argument. But usually what they mean is "disproportionately to their share of the population." Since they are being incarcerated for their conduct, their proportion of the population is of no relevance. Argue the conduct; if they aren't violating the law, say so!

n.n said...

But usually what they mean is "disproportionately to their share of the population."

Disproportionate to their color class. This is the article of faith, and political myth, that underlies diversity doctrine or color judgment, which grants liberal license to assess the value of human life by color (i.e. low information) attributes, not limited to race, and socially justifies progressive policies including affirmative discrimination.

wildswan said...

Jews were imprisoned for what their grandparents were - Jewish.

Blacks are being imprisoned for being the person who committed a crime of violence against another person.

The disproportion is how many blacks are poor, not how many, being poor, commit crimes. And there is no way forward to end disproportionate poverty except a good education in a free public school. And that requires discipline in the classrooms. And the Progs are refusing to enforce classroom discipline and thus making a good education in the free public schools impossible for those who need it most, who will never be able to afford an education any other way.