"... questioned if Epstein might be using it as a way to get a transfer. A fourth source said an assault has not been ruled out, and that another inmate was questioned. The inmate who investigators have talked to in Lower Manhattan facility has been identified as Nicholas Tartaglione, according to two sources. Tartaglione is a former police officer in Westchester County who was arrested in December 2016 and accused of killing four men.... The attorney for Tartaglione denied all the claims that his client attacked the financier, saying his client and Epstein get along well.... 'They are in the same unit and doing well,' said Bruce Barket, an attorney for Tartaglione. He said any claim that Tartaglione might have assaulted Epstein 'is absolutely not true.' Barket said Tartaglione and Epstein have been complaining about conditions inside the MCC including flooding, rodents and bad food."
From "Jeffrey Epstein Found Injured in NYC Jail Cell After Possible Suicide Attempt: Sources/Epstein was found semi-conscious with marks on his neck, sources said and investigators are trying to piece together exactly what happened" (NBC New York).
Add it all together and the most plausible theory seems to be that Epstein, wanting a transfer to a nicer jail (or release on bail), got his new friend Tartaglione to strangle him enough to make it look like a suicide attempt.
July 25, 2019
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A pimp who sells children may not last long.
And the people he could implicate probably wouldn't mind Epstein's expiration.
I would sell Epstein short.
Epstein probably paid the guy.
Vegas has set the over under for comments on this post at 12.
An outing to Fort Marcy Park would seem to be on the short-to-medium term schedule.
Suicide is probably unlikely. More like self-inflicted injuries to get a transfer to a medical unit. I've seen that ploy pulled dozens and dozens of times.
Tartaglione could snap his neck without a second thought, did you look at the link I provided last night?
Child molesters are said to be at the very bottom in the prison hierarchy. Even vicious criminals hate and despise them.
Plus, there are a lot of people still on the outside who may be very afraid of what Epstein might do to them.
Lot of plausible theories.
It was probably just a hickey.
Vegas is going to suffer a brutal beating.
Worse than Epstein, even.
When does Bil Clinton get indicted?
got his new friend Tartaglione to strangle him enough to make it look like a suicide attempt.
What? How could a strangling look like a suicide? If that's even possible Althouse has found the perfect murder plan.
Jussie Smollett comes in all shades.
wasn't this Tartaglione character wearing a MAGA hat? and wasn't bleach involved ?
Epstein seems addicted to his cushy (and highly illegal) globetrotting life. An attempt at a better prison once any and all legal (dare we add failed attempts at bribes?) avenues failed him. I agree with our host on this one, the old "safety" ploy.
"What? How could a strangling look like a suicide? If that's even possible Althouse has found the perfect murder plan."
Maybe if you were a former cop -- like Tartaglione -- you'd know how to stage it. I would think you'd use a rolled up sheet and make it seem as though it had fallen to the floor.
The article says Epstein "was found semi-conscious with marks on his neck." I assume that means he was found lying on the floor. Just get "marks on his neck." Obviously, you don't want anything looking like finger marks. Use whatever an actual suicide would use.
The "semi-conscious" part could be acting by the fake victim. All you need is marks on the neck.
And don't try that at home.
Auto-erotica gone a smidgen too far?
Blogger Ann Althouse said...
And don't try that at home.
David Carradine couldn't be reached for comment.
Yeah, I'm putting my money on autoerotic asphyxiation. Seems right in his wheelhouse.
Cop from Westchester County... who else do we know from Westchester County who might want to suicide Epstein?
Comey live up that way,
Btw, Ann, medical folks know how to tell if someone is faking unconsciousness - they run their thumb up the bottom of their foot. There’s an involuntary response to become alert unless there’s a medical condition. My dad, a fire fighter, used it on me a couple times when I was pretending to be asleep as a kid.
Been there, done that.
"...it's got to hold the weight of a pig."
- Tuco
Epstein comes off like a degenerate sleezebag. He is already a convicted felon.
But I do hope he isn't killed in prison. it would be better to get to the bottom of what he did and how he operated.
"Due process" even for sleazebags is a better route.
Bay Area Guy:
PRO TIP: Never use the phrase "get to the bottom" when discussing a pimp who dealt in children. Or really any pimp.
Considering the number of rich and powerful that presumably Epstein has dirt on, this could be the work of a committee, as in Murder on the Orient Express.
Blogger EDH said...
Been there, done that.
"...it's got to hold the weight of a pig."
- Tuco
Bravo! How long did you have to wait to finally be able to play that card.
Inclined to believe hoax. Probably to get better incarceration conditions. Epstein has lived a life of ease; what he finds himself in now is so discombobulating that he's become desperate.
Tuco
Those Tucos are giving the name Tuco a bad name.
jaydub: I would like to cancel my subscription to your tout sheet.
Speculation on TheDonald (reddit) is he got “Arkancided.”
Banging 16 year-olds probably doesn’t put you in the prison Short Eyes category. More like high-fives all around. He knows too much about some powerful people. There’s nothing wildly conspiratorial about thinking they want him gone.
I actually very much doubt Epstein survives 2019.
He's got megadirt on waaay too many people, and some of them managed to get the word "Arkancide" added to the language.
My favorite was the close Clinton associate who was found beheaded. Literally beheaded. And his death was ruled as "natural causes".
Epstein is a master manipulator. I don't think he will find the prison system an insurmountable challenge. Madoff apparently doesn't....That said, there are quite a few people equally adept at manipulating the system who sincerely hope for his early demise. We'll see how it plays out, and, however it does, I wouldn't give odds on justice being the clear winner.
Over/under on Epstein’s number of days remaining on this Earth?
I’m going with 39.
Tick, tock ...
The Man Who Knew Too Much was a 1934 British film featuring Peter Lorre and directed by Alfred Hitchcock. In 1956 Hitchcock remade it in the U.S., this time with James Stewart and Doris Day...
He exploited children for pleasure and progress. This is one social boundary that most people will not go along to get along. He has a twilight future under Planned Pedophile.
I'm not trying to defend Epstein, he's a degenerate, but I do think it's important to let the justice system run its course, and make a proper course correction from that sweetheart deal he got.
For example, Epstein likely blackmailed people and had some important confederates. I'd like him to sing to get those folks too.
I read this cop in the cell block was found with an illegal cell phone 2 days ago.
I think Bill & Hillary paid a guard off to get the cop the phone.
Got the cop to relay a message to Epstein you behave, keep your mouth shut or said cop will "take care of you"!
This so-called suicide was the first message of many to come!
Epstein should be in solitary confinement for his own protection. People inconvenient to Bill and Hillary have a habit of being found dead, and Epstein has information on even more powerful people than them.
Did he say, "Choke me, Daddy!" first?
THEOLDMAN
He's just trying to get out of jail. This is standard stuff for Wealthy Crooks. Quit being naive.
If you help someone do that, what is the crime: attempted murder, attempted suicide, battery, obstruction of justice, or like Trump's assumed crime: obstruction of injustice?
I think we can assume that especially someone like Epstein will do whatever is possible to get out of this. Someone is digging a tunnel from the nearest house right now.
So his cellmate saw nothing?
LOL - somebody, in Epstein's book, does not want their name to be disclosed publicly.
"Btw, Ann, medical folks know how to tell if someone is faking unconsciousness - they run their thumb up the bottom of their foot. There’s an involuntary response to become alert unless there’s a medical condition. My dad, a fire fighter, used it on me a couple times when I was pretending to be asleep as a kid."
What about faking semi-consciousness?
"He's got megadirt on waaay too many people, and some of them managed to get the word "Arkancide" added to the language."
"Arkancide" has been in Urban Dictionary since 2008.
What about faking semi-consciousness?
We had a goofy guy come in the ER one time when I was a medical student. He was seizing, or looked like he was.
A resident who had seen him there before, started to intubate him. He jumped up and ran out of the ER.
That works every time. There are some weird Munchausen cases out there. I've seen a few.
Banging 16 year-olds probably doesn’t put you in the prison Short Eyes category. More like high-fives all around.
Age of consent by state
Whoa!
"However, in the United States in 1875, each state determined its own criminal law and the age of consent ranged from 10 to 12 years of age. It would not be until after the 1930s that the term “jail bait” came into use in America as the age of consent laws changed."
For example, Epstein likely blackmailed people and had some important confederates. I'd like him to sing to get those folks too.
Here is a question for everyone - why was Epstein arrested now, instead of sometime over the last decade, and by the Feds, nonetheless? Part of it was the result of some very good, dogged investigative reporting, but...
Yesterday, I think, I read about the falling out between Epstein and Trump. Apparently, a bit over a decade ago, when Trump was yugely underwater financially, Epstein apparently went to Trump with a deal that he was interested in. He wanted to flip this Florida mansion, and thought that Trump was safe to ask advice from, because he owed so much money. Nope. Trump went to the big German bank and borrowed that much from them, plus another $5 million, that he used to top Epstein’s bid. Then, a year later, after some work, Trump sold it for more than twice what he had in it. In retaliation, Epstein appears to have gone to the police alleging that Trump had engaged in financial irregularities. And Trump May have been the one to then drop the dime on Epstein for his sexual adventures. And hence maybe Epstein’s arrest, prison time, and level III sex offender status.
Which brings up the question of why, now, was Epstein arrested? And the answer may be that Epstein is close to, and almost assuredly has blackmail material on a number of powerful people led by former President Bill Clinton, husband of Crooked Hillary, who hired Fusion GPS to attack Trump, and their (fake) information formed the basis for the two year Mueller investigation. The Clintons more than likely had some sort of hold over Obama to get her the Sec of State gig, then let her skate on her use of her illegal private email server while Obama was in office (the orders to not prosecute her seem to have come directly from Obama himself). But with the Dems now out of power, why not indict Epstein earlier? I think they may have been blackmailing AG Sessions a bit. Or, maybe it is all coincidental. The motivation may be that the Clintons just cost Trump two years of his Presidency, with the Mueller investigation at least partially based on the Clinton funded Steele Dossier. Could this be the beginning of payback?
CDC: People With Dirt On Clintons Have 843% Greater Risk Of Suicide
Bruce, maybe the final eclipse of the Clintons removed the last toehold Epstein had on them. Nobody cares anymore if Bill goes down hard. They are not worth it anymore and Epstein loses his last grasp on immunity.
Despite appearing on the poster, Lorre is only a supporting actor in the 1934 version of The Man Who Knew Too Much; Leslie Banks was the star, in the Jimmy Stewart role (or vice versa). Lorre was the heavy.
The 1956 color version is superior in almost every way, except that there's an absolutely wonderful chair-throwing fight in the 1934 version...
A resident who had seen him there before, started to intubate him. He jumped up and ran out of the ER.
I understand urethral catheterization can induce the same kind of behavior from fakers.
Arkancide—failed attempt.
I think a double-tap to the back of the head is the surest way to commit Arkancide.
I understand urethral catheterization can induce the same kind of behavior from fakers.
I haven't tried it but you re probably correct, I do know from sad experience as an intern that passing an Ewald tube (a nose to stomach tube the size of the thumb) will not cause an overdose to wake up. Some however will fight and vomit on the hapless intern.
FullMoon,
I'm trying to understand the point of your 11:31 AM comment. Surely you aren't asserting that the prison population is such a stickler for malum prohibitum law that, even though 32 states set the age of consent at 16, if they find you did it with a 16yo in a state where the age is 17 they will Dahmer you???
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