This Epstein case is horrific and the young women deserve justice. It is quite likely that some of our faves are implicated but we must follow the facts and let the chips fall where they may - whether on Republicans or Democrats. #WeSaidEnough #MeToo https://t.co/2mvskwQwW1
— Christine Pelosi (@sfpelosi) July 7, 2019
July 8, 2019
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In a 2006 court filing, Palm Beach police noted that a search of Epstein’s home uncovered two hidden cameras. The Mirror reported that in 2015, a 6-year-old civil lawsuit filed by “Jane Doe No. 3,” believed to be the now-married Giuffre, alleged that Epstein wired his mansion with hidden cameras, secretly recording orgies involving his prominent friends and underage girls. The ultimate purpose: blackmail, according to court papers.
“Jane Doe No. 3” also alleged that she had been forced to have sex with “numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, a well-known prime minister, and other world leaders.”
It didn't just happen on the island. Happened in NYC, in Florida, for some reason in Ohio. As young as 12. A CD labeled "misc. young" full of kiddie porn.
Some commenters are pretending these was a situation of a 19 yr old boyfriend and his 17 year old girlfriend. No. Hundreds of child victims of 60 year old very wealthy men. Molesting and raping 12-17 yr old girls, photos of porn, keeping it, "handing" the girls to friends as gifts, arguing about who got to take virginity, tying up to a bed. He targeted underage girls.
WATCH: Donald Trump Predicts Justice for Jeffrey Epstein at CPAC 2015
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/watch-donald-trump-predicts-justice-for-jeffrey-epstein-at-cpac-2015/
why would Trump draw attention to this if it would hurt him?
Trump Was 'Only One' To Help Prosecutor In 2009 Epstein Case
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-07/trump-was-only-one-help-prosecutor-2009-epstein-case
why would Trump help out if it risked exposing his own 'guilt'?
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SCOOP: Epstein's lawyer has already made a proffer to SDNY. Epstein will agree to cooperate with the investigation, including giving up the names of individuals that paid for activities with underage girls in exchange for a maximum sentence not to exceed 5 years - @OANN
There should be no deals cuts with this scumbag Epstein. What about individuals who didn't pay, but still had sex with underage girls at his residences?
www is shocked, shocked that politically connected establishment types who have known about Epstein for decades worked to protect him, including corrupt FBI Director Bob Mueller.
Not to worry lefties, the establishment types have manuevered James Comey's daughter into the prosecution "drivers seat" so all the truly 'inside players" will be protected.
bubba trying to get in front of this
Bill Clinton issues statement on Jeffrey Epstein
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jul/8/bill-clinton-issues-jeffrey-epstein-statement/
ray(chel) chandler and bill clinton pics?
bubba gonna have 'health issues' soon?
our money is on bubba and/or kevin spacey next
why would Trump draw attention to this if it would hurt him?
7/8/19, 6:31 PM
According to the Althouse Village Idiot Inga, Trump drew attention to Billy Jeff's Island Adventures to deflect attention from himself.
Yeah, that's a brilliant strategy. Logic dictates that a guilty man, especially a man who is already in the media's crosshairs, would keep his mouth shut about Epstein.
But logic has never once made an appearance in what passes for Inga's mind.
epstein and clinton foundation
Les wexner, kit laybourne
have fun, kiddies!
www is shocked
You bet I'm shocked.
(1) I'm shocked at the depraved behaviour of Epstein.
(2) I'm shocked that many prominent, famous and wealthy men (allegedly) got involved in a child trafficking ring.
(3) I'm shocked and horrified at the child rape.
(4) As young as 12. He kept the kiddie porn in his safe. He catalogued the kiddie porn. Normal people tend to be shocked by that sort of criminal behaviour.
The four hundred blows. The girls undoubtedly had negative experiences on the island, but they probably were not the most catastrophic or painful of their young lives. The mere fact that they ended up on that island demonstrates that they had already received a considerable number of their four hundred blows......This is not offered as any kind of defense of Epstein. He deserves considerably more punishment than he received, but, from what I've read, most of the girls got married, had kids, and moved on with their lives. He was a monster, but not of the caliber of John Wayne Gacy.
"Not to worry lefties, the establishment types have manuevered James Comey's daughter into the prosecution "drivers seat" so all the truly 'inside players" will be protected."
Indeed. The story was going to come out so the Dems have to make sure they own the investigation so as to control it. In the end there will probably be little, if any, justice. Not with Dem insiders running a show that implicates their "faves".
I'm sure many leftists are certain this is the big one that finally gets Trump, but I suspect they will be disappointed. Again. As others have said, we would've known about it already if Trump was guilty of gang-raping minors with his buddy Epstein. But that doesn't mean that the lunatics on the fake-news cable shows won't try to wish it and make it so.
And the narrative they are serving is red meat for the drooling Trump-haters who will it eat it up and be satisfied for a while. While the rest of us just sigh and wonder if sanity will return any time soon.
other than offering a taboo 'romp in the hay', would there be any benefits to getting heavy-hitters involved?
Cui bono?
wwww: "Normal people tend to be shocked by that sort of criminal behaviour."
My comment went to establishment types protecting each other.
You knew that.
But you took in another direction because after your horrific performance advancing obvious lies and smears during the Kavanaugh hearing you probably thought you had to do something to recover your lost moral highground.
Btw wwww, all the folks you aligned with in smearing Kavanaugh and now Trump (again!) are the SAME ones who covered up for Epstein for decades.
Because OF COURSE they are.
Leave the obvious smearing to LLR-leftist Chuck. Thats his rice bowl.
Night Owl: "And the narrative they are serving is red meat for the drooling Trump-haters who will it eat it up and be satisfied for a while."
And wwww fits that bill perfectly based on her Kavanaugh performance.
Associated Press:
"Epstein was also an associate of Clinton’s, repeatedly lending the former president his jet to travel overseas. Flight logs obtained by Fox News showed the former president took at least 26 trips aboard Epstein’s Boeing 727, nicknamed the “Lolita Express,” from 2001 to 2003. That “included extended junkets around the world with Epstein and fellow passengers identified on manifests by their initials or first names, including ‘Tatiana,’” the outlet found."
Faves! Lolita! Tatiana!
This could be fun.
“While the rest of us just sigh and wonder if sanity will return any time soon.”
There will be no “sanity” while Trump is POTUS. If you by now don’t see the writing on the wall regarding his corruption and worse, I wonder about the sanity of Trump supporters.
Harvey Weinstein is too notable to be disposed via the memory hole, but you never see his name connected to his Democratic Party friends and activities. "Harvey Weinstein, the noted Clinton friend and fundraiser, appeared in court today." That's how I would introduce him in my news articles, but that part of his record has disappeared down the memory hole...Can anyone name the two women who accused Fairfax of rape. Can anyone not name the accuser of Kavanaugh?....I don't think this scandal implicates Trump, but they'll find ways.....If I were a billionaire, I like to think I'd have a better love life, but I wouldn't put everything at risk with complicated schemes involving underaged girls. I'd probably skip strip mall massage parlors too. Porn stars and Playboy centerfolds I would not rule out, however. Trump is a bit of a horndog, but it's within normal limits.
Your “sanity” is more like sycophancy.
“Trump is a bit of a horndog, but it's within normal limits.”
Cheating on every one of his three wives and making creepy comments about his own daughter is not within normal limits. What is wrong with you people?
Ahahahahaha, hey it’s just another day on an Althouse comments section. Don’t take everything to heart. Don’t try to control the discussion. People will say what they feel they must say or want to say. Honestly, most people don’t care what you are sick about. Express your opinion and don’t try to direct others opinions to conform with yours.
“There will be no “sanity” while Trump is POTUS.”
Clearly.
Now we know Inga’s refractory period after a bitter disappointment.
We have seen this movie before. Democrat insider prosecutor PELOSI will make sure that Epstein only fingers people that Democrats want fingered.
“Staff, supporters of the foundation, and his Secret Service detail traveled on every leg of every trip.. - Clinton’s lawyers
Somebody is lying. Why weren’t they on the manifest?
On a related note; Kevin Spacey's accuser plead the 5th on the stand. Looks like the cards are remaining in house form.
“Somebody is lying. Why weren’t they on the manifest?”
I saw one in which it listed four Secret Service people in the same slot that Bill Clinton’s name was written.
I saw one in which it listed four Secret Service people in the same slot that Bill Clinton’s name was written.
What about the other 26?
“What about the other 26?”
Feel free to go find them and copy and paste them here.
I am sure PELOSI will get to the bottom of it in a non partisan manner. Clinton won’t be protected at all, he’s clearly innocent and Trump is clearly guilty. *Clearly*
There was "little occasion to prove witchcraft, it being evident and notorious to all beholders”. - Cotton Mather.
There are five without the Secret Service, Inga.
Are you here defending forcible rapist Bill Clinton again?
"Honestly, most people don’t care what you are sick about."
You're right -- I agree. & there was that complaint by a 13 year old that was withdrawn. She was threatened by an anonymous phone call and withdrew the complaint. That was at Epstein's place in Florida.
coincidence??
Kevin Spacey has been questioned by Scotland Yard detectives about sex assault allegations.
6 Jul 2019, 17:57Updated: 6 Jul 2019, 17:58
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9451998/kevin-spacey-more-sex-assault-claims-questioned/
“Are you here defending forcible rapist Bill Clinton again?”
No, nor have I ever defended Clinton. He will get what he deserves, hopefully.
“there was that complaint by a 13 year old that was withdrawn. She was threatened by an anonymous phone call and withdrew the complaint.”
Investigate it. But I am sure it is much more useful as a smear that never needs be proven.
“No, nor have I ever defended Clinton.”
That’s a lie.
According to Joseph Recarey, the lead Palm Beach detective on the case, Epstein was essentially operating a “sexual pyramid scheme.” Brown identified about 80 women who say they were molested or otherwise sexually abused by Epstein, and some accounts suggest the total number may be much higher.
“He told me he wanted them as young as I could find them,’’ Courtney Wild, who says she recruited 70 or 80 girls for Epstein, told Brown. “He wanted as many girls as I could get him. It was never enough.’’
“there was that complaint by a 13 year old that was withdrawn. She was threatened by an anonymous phone call and withdrew the complaint.”
Hopefully she’ll feel safer now and come forward again.
“You can’t ever stop your thoughts,” Jen-Lisa Jones, who says Epstein molested her when she was 14, told Brown. “A word can trigger something. For me, it is the word ‘pure’ because he called me ‘pure’ in that room and then I remember what he did to me in that room.’’
"Daily Beast says earlier Epstein deal was "the product of some serious gamesmanship by a cabal of other powerful white men, including Alex Acosta." a) What does "white" have to do with it? b) Acosta is Hispanic.” - Mickey Kaus
Another white Hispanic.
“Hopefully she’ll feel safer now and come forward again.”
I hope she does. This should be investigated thoroughly.
Sorry Tim from Vermont/ Puck not interested. Go fly a kite.
Hopefully she’ll feel safer now and come forward again.
It's hard to get victims to come forward. In this instance she would get millions of people after her. She'll get death threats. & she'd have to relive the trauma.
So where were the kids' parents in all this?
These girls who grew up carry the baggage of what happened to them at the hands of the rich and powerful. Then they were called prostitutes by those who should’ve been seeking justice for them. It’s unlikely they live normal lives and just put this behind them with no lasting harm to their psyche.
So where were the kids' parents in all this?
A parent complained her daughter was molested. That's why they investigated in Florida, he got charged, and then got that crazy easy deal.
& of course many of the girls were troubled.
Remember, rapists who get away with it know how to choose their victims. Molesters and rapists are more likely to avoid girls who have attentive, protective parents. Rapists don't want to get caught.
“ In this instance she would get millions of people after her. She'll get death threats. & she'd have to relive the trauma.”
It might be worth it to some of them to regain their own power. Who knows. Can’t blame them if they don’t.
Bradley Edwards, a lawyer who represented Jefferey Epstein’s victims, stated in court documents that Trump had barred Epstein from his Mar-A-Lago estate “because Epstein sexually assaulted an underage girl at the club.”Neither Trump nor Mar-A-Lago have confirmed that Epstein had been banned from the club. During the 2016 election Trump alleged Bill Clinton’s might have a strong connection to Epstein, Clinton is reported to have traveled on Epstein’s plane dozens of times. Referring to Clinton, Trump stated, “Nice guy — uh, got a lot of problems coming up, in my opinion, with the famous island, with Jeffrey Epstein. A lot of problems.”
I guess that makes Trump guilty too.
"These girls who grew up carry the baggage of what happened to them at the hands of the rich and powerful. Then they were called prostitutes by those who should’ve been seeking justice for them. It’s unlikely they live normal lives and just put this behind them with no lasting harm to their psyche."
I am disgusted by the people who called them child prostitutes. Did you see what his lawyers argued about sex with minors today?
"It might be worth it to some of them to regain their own power. Who knows. Can’t blame them if they don’t."
Honestly it was brave of each of the 80 women who talked to the investigative reporter. Many felt betrayed by the prosecution deal. But they came forward again.
2 were at the bail hearing. I'm glad the victims will get to see him in court.
”The women who went to Jeffrey Epstein’s mansion as girls tend to divide their lives into two parts,” Brown writes: “life before Jeffrey and life after Jeffrey.”
Wild was a 14-year-old middle school student and cheerleading captain when she met Epstein, Brown writes. She later became addicted to drugs and served three years in prison on drug charges.
One woman who said Epstein molested her was found dead of a heroin overdose last year, leaving behind a young son.
"The FBI had prepared a 53-page sex crimes indictment for Epstein in 2007 that could have sent him to prison for life, according to the Herald. Instead, he cut a deal with Alexander Acosta, then the US attorney in Miami, which allowed him to serve just 13 months — not in federal or state prison, but in a private wing of a Palm Beach county jail.
He was granted work release to go to a “comfortable office” for 12 hours a day, six days a week, despite the fact that the Palm Beach Sheriff’s Department prohibited work release for sex offenders."
quotes from this article: https://www.vox.com/2018/12/3/18116351/jeffrey-epstein-indictment-arrested-trump-clinton-acosta
“Did you see what his lawyers argued about sex with minors today?”
No I didn’t. His lawyers tried to whitewash it somehow?
"Then in February, federal Judge Kenneth A. Marra ruled that prosecutors under Acosta had violated the Crime Victims’ Rights Act by hiding the non-prosecution agreement from more than 30 girls who said Epstein abused them. But in June, federal prosecutors said there was still no legal basis for invalidating the agreement.
New charges could be another chance for prosecutors to hold Epstein accountable
The latest development in Epstein’s case came on Saturday, when he was arrested at a New Jersey airport upon his return from a trip to France. In an indictment unsealed on Monday in federal court in New York, he was charged with sex trafficking and sex trafficking conspiracy. If convicted, he could face up to 45 years in prison, along with the forfeiture of his Manhattan townhouse, according to the New York Times."
I'll see if I can find it. They tried to excuse sex with minors as not a real crime.
The judge was, "were they not underage?"
“I'll see if I can find it. They tried to excuse sex with minors as not a real crime.
The judge was, "were they not underage?"”
Wow.
“Oh my God,” Michelle Licata, one of Epstein’s accusers, told the Miami Herald upon hearing about the new indictment. “Finally, finally, finally! Justice!”
A federal lawsuit filed in New York accuses Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump of repeatedly raping a 13-year-old girl more than 20 years ago, at several Upper East Side parties hosted by convicted sex offender and notorious billionaire investor Jeffrey Epstein.
The suit, first reported by the Real Deal, accuses Trump and Epstein of luring the anonymous plaintiff and other young women to four parties at Epstein’s so-called Wexner Mansion at 9 East 71st Street. Epstein allegedly lured the plaintiff, identified in the suit only as Jane Doe, with promises of a modeling career and cash.
Another anonymous woman, identified in additional testimony as Tiffany Doe, corroborates Jane’s allegations, testifying that she met Epstein at Port Authority, where he hired her to recruit other young girls for his parties. Trump had known Epstein for seven years in 1994 when he attended the parties at Wexner, according to the suit. He also allegedly knew that the plaintiff was 13 years old.
A lot for investigators to work with there. Lots of potential witnesses.
“Oh my God,” Michelle Licata, one of Epstein’s accusers, told the Miami Herald upon hearing about the new indictment. “Finally, finally, finally! Justice!””
I sure hope so.
Lefties masturbating. Good luck.
“Lefties masturbating. Good luck.”
Nice choice of words there doc, considering the subject matter of this blogpost. Don’t you really know better?
Wow. Just Wow.
Why are you commenters ok with Epstein's behaviour? They found a pile of kiddie porn in his safe. It's catalogued by name. Why are you comfortable with rape and child molestation?
I don't get it.
Inga,
Why are they ok with child porn?
Do they not understand what this guy did? Or are they really ok with it?
Honestly, I want to understand why this doesn't bother some of you. What Epstein did.
Do you not know what he did? Or do you not care?
Do you convince yourself they weren't 14? Or do you think it's OK to photograph and have sex with 14 year old girls?
Is 12 ok? Is 13? Where's the cut off for you?
What age do you find it morally acceptable?
Do you think it's ok to threaten a 14 year old to have sex with your 55 year old friend?
Do you think it's ok to give a 14 year old drugs?
Do you think it's ok to photograph a naked 13 or 14 year old?
Do you think this behaviour should be decriminalized? So 55 year old billionaires can hurt and exploit 15 year old cheerleaders?
wwww: "It's hard to get victims to come forward"
LOL
We are literally only months removed from all 5000 of Kavanaugh's "victims" coming forward with the lead "victim" being praised around the clock as well as paid very handsomely for her lies which BOTH Inga and wwww advanced without thinking.
This is what you are supporting:
“I don’t think anyone has been told the truth about what Jeffrey Epstein did,’’ said one of Epstein’s victims, Michelle Licata, now 30. “He ruined my life and a lot of girls’ lives. People need to know what he did and why he wasn’t prosecuted so it never happens again.”
“This was not a ‘he said, she said’ situation. This was 50-something ‘shes’ and one ‘he’ — and the ‘shes’ all basically told the same story,’’ said retired Palm Beach Police Chief Michael Reiter, who supervised the police probe.
Before she met Epstein, Courtney Wild was captain of the cheerleading squad, first trumpet in the band and an A-student at Lake Worth Middle School.
After she met Epstein, she was a stripper, a drug addict and an inmate at Gadsden Correctional Institution in Florida’s Panhandle.
Wild still had braces on her teeth when she was introduced to him in 2002 at the age of 14.
“Jeffrey preyed on girls who were in a bad way, girls who were basically homeless. He went after girls who he thought no one would listen to and he was right,’’ said Courtney Wild, who was 14 when she met Epstein.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html
Drago,
How can you justify Epstein's behaviour?
You watch Daniel Tiger's neighbourhood. You seem like a good guy. How can you support his behaviour towards girls? They were kids.
Boof yeah. Kavanaugh's prolific forced Dutch ovening was like a "concentration camp".
"said Epstein preferred girls who were white, appeared prepubescent and those who were easy to manipulate into going further each time.
“By the time I was 16, I had probably brought him 70 to 80 girls who were all 14 and 15 years old. He was involved in my life for years,” said Wild, who was released from prison in October after serving three years on drug charges.
The girls — mostly 13 to 16 — were lured to his pink waterfront mansion by Wild and other girls, who went to malls, house parties and other places where girls congregated, and told recruits that they could earn $200 to $300 to give a man — Epstein — a massage, according to an unredacted copy of the Palm Beach police investigation obtained by the Herald"
We are also now fully aware of an entire Hollywood/dem/lefty nexus of child abuse and sexual predators which was protected by every lefty Hollywood A-lister in sight.
And these same lefties gave a standing ovation to a convicted child sodomizer who drugged his victim and this army of "woke" lefties did it live on tv before a global audience.
But wait, theres so much more: Weinstein and crew used the most powerful democrat law firm (Perkins Coie) to harrass victims into silence thru the services of hired gun former intelligence agents.
One wonders just where the hell Inga and wwww have been as all this was going in and Bob Mueller was FBI director.
Oh, thats right.
Ings and wwww were busy lodging false gang rape accusations against Kavanaugh.
wwww and the rest of the lefties are in full spin mode to try and pin the Epstein corruption on conservatives, precisely as predicted.
Who didnt see that coming?
13 YEAR OLD KIDS. LOTS OF THEM.
he molested and raped 13 year old kids. he took pictures of them.
he raped and molested lots of them. Why are you ok with this? honestly, why are you avoiding the subject? This thread is about Epstein. Why are you supporting him?
Am i misunderstanding something? Do you not actually support him? What's the deal with this thread?
“Inga,
Why are they ok with child porn?
Do they not understand what this guy did? Or are they really ok with it?”
Oh they know, but they don’t care. They are preemptively finding ways to exonerate Trump. Sorry to bring him up again, but I suspect that is behind Drago’s posturing.
DRAGO,
ANSWER THE QUESTION. WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH YOUR COMMENTS IN THIS THREAD. ARE YOU SUPPORTING EPSTEIN'S BEHAVIOUR OR NOT?
HELP ME OUT HERE. WHAT AM I NOT GETTING?
I KNEW that soon Drago would be siding with Epstein. I’m not surprised.
wwww: Do you think it's ok to give a 14 year old drugs?"
All of lefty Hollywood does.
But only all of them.
“WHAT AM I NOT GETTING?”
You’re looking at a person in Drago, that has no morals or scruples or principles when it comes to his cult leader. It’s not normal, but it’s what cultists do.
Yeah, yeah, yeah..Drago supports the pedo.
Be 14 (or 12..) forever.
The stories about Epstein and his dem/lefty pals that will be coming out soon must be more devastating than I first thought to have all the lefties spinning this furiously this fast.
Looks like Comey's daughter wont be able to protect them all.
Lets see just how many little lefty sickos get thrown to the wolves to save the bigger lefty sickos.
Looks like time may be up for Billy boy.
But Trump is not involved, and, honestly, not likely to be involved.
And Epstein's pleaded guilty.
And there are so many women who talked to the police. It wasn't one or two or three. It was dozens. And they were kids. And now they've found CDs and photos of underage girls (allegedly.)
Are they really ok with this? Have they lost their minds? Were they always ok with child rape/ pornography? Or is this new? Or are they not looking at the evidence and ignoring it?
And why would they defend Epstein anyways? He's not running for office. They don't need to compromise their values to support him. It's not a pragmatic deal for justices. I don't get it. What do they get out of supporting a child rapist who has a stash of kiddie porn?
The comments on this thread surprised me.
Drago sweetie, no one who was involved in Epstein’s pedo ring are safe now, not those on the left, nor those on the right. It’ll be bipartisan carnage.
Hopefully.
Ruh roh, Drago..
Inga's slinging the "sweetie" label.
Take that you pedo supporter!
“Are they really ok with this? Have they lost their minds? Were they always ok with child rape/ pornography? Or is this new? Or are they not looking at the evidence and ignoring it?”
They will ignore any evidence if it doesn’t conform to what they believe. I doubt they are ok with child rape, etc.
Its fun watching Inga and wwww pinging off each other in this way.
This us a lefty/dem scandal from top to bottom that every lefty knew about for 30 years so what can the lefties do?
Change the subject.
Hence tonights blog festivities.
Again, the word must have gone out to shift culpability to the conservatives.
Literally every hero of the left is seemingly involved so suddenly its my fault!!
Again, we have to ask this question: Is it helpful or hurtful over the long term for the democrats to have such mindless drone cultists like Inga and wwww on Team Dem?
I would guess that in some circumstances in the short term it might help but over the long term its more detrimental than helpful.
Drago thinks only lefties will go down for this, hahahahahaha, naive little boy.
Inga: "Drago sweetie, no one who was involved in Epstein’s pedo ring are safe now, not those on the left, nor those on the right. It’ll be bipartisan carnage."
And right on cue there it is!!
LOL
All democrat scandals are labeled "bipartisan".
Sorry Inga. This will all be dem/lefty with a few establishment types tossed in.
“Sorry Inga. This will all be dem/lefty with a few establishment types tossed in.”
Drago, if you think no Republicans or those on the right with be exposed, you are really being silly. Are you sure you don’t want to delete your comment? Because you know I’ll bring it up and throw it in your face.
WWWWWWWWW doesn't see the broader characterizations already in play.
Sad!
Can Comey's daughter wear a pussyhat with her ensemble?
Well the next few days and weeks will be more and more interesting. Let the chips fall where they may, despite Drago’s cute belief that no one on the right is involved. That is so precious.
wwww is losing its shit, again.
I particularly like the idea anybody is supporting Epstein.
All of us - all the people - are glad Epstein may finally get punished for his behavior.
I'd personally be happy to beat him within half an inch of his life... a few times.
BUT!
Some of us are interested in uncovering the criminal conspiracy that allowed Epstein to operate with seeming impunity for so many years.
We want to see the powerful protectors Epstein has/had revealed publicly.
We want the johns busted, not just the pimp.
We want Menendez and Clinton and ALL the rest brought to justice.
Now quit the hysterical screeching.
Read: "This will all be dem/lefty with a few establishment types tossed in."
7/8/19, 9:32 PM
Inga,
It looks like they will get justice for Epstein's crimes.
Drago,
you have successfully trolled me.
My husband: "Have you been successfully trolled"
Me: "haha yes."
re "Drago’s cute belief that no one on the right is involved."
I called upthread, many hours ago, that some NeverTrumpers would be involved.
I am hoping Trump gets another SCt nominee out of this.
Sure..being "lured" into expressing one's opinion is being "trolled".
It's an exit of sorts, I guess.
NAMBLA exists almost completely on the political Left.
Just FYI
"LOL"
Probably some Republicans are involved note the pressure from DC down to acosta to make this deal.
Inga: "Drago, if you think no Republicans or those on the right with be exposed,..."
As already stated several times, I dont believe anyone on the right could get away with this sort of thing.
Nin-right republicans might very well be involved.
I'm looking at you Mueller and Comey.
"Again, we have to ask this question: Is it helpful or hurtful over the long term for the democrats to have such mindless drone cultists like Inga and wwww on Team Dem?"
I know this is a trolling political question. But i will answer it straight.
1) Polling doesn't mean anything right now because most people haven't heard of most of the candidates.
2) Watch the polling close to the election.
3) Watch the independents
4) Watch suburban women
5) Watch suburban midwestern women
6) Watch the percentage of women who decide to vote D vs. 3rd party.
A credible 3rd party run would draw people, especially women, who cannot vote for Trump. If there is no credible 3rd party candidate, those suburban women may vote D even if they lean R. The Trump show is quite the show.
Inga matters because she lives in Wisconsin. If she votes D rather then 3rd party that's a sign. Watch voters who voted 3rd party. They voted 3rd party 5 times higher then normal in 2016 in Wisconsin.
By the way, I believe Epstein deserves due process.
If the police got warrants based on lies, any evidence uncovered in unlawful raids should be excluded.
Anybody disagree?
IOW, show your hands if you're fascists.
Birkel: "I called upthread, many hours ago, that some NeverTrumpers would be involved.
I am hoping Trump gets another SCt nominee out of this."
Correct. And potentially more than we think.
However, compared to the tsunami of dems/lefties/UN types/Euro-elites etc, a drop in the bucket.
Remember, these are the Euro-elites that covered up decades of muslim mass rape grooming gang activities, UN entities that raped so many children in the 3rd world that parents hide their kids when the blue helmets are around.
Even our newest lefty Pope is hiding the true extent of the gay pedophile priests.
Hollywood/Weinstein/Polanski, etc.
The lefty list is endless.
Thats why Inga is spinning so hard. A million lefty abuse cases needs only 1 "republican" involved to make this a "pox in both houses" scandal.
The weakest tea attack is trying to rope Trump in on this.
Thats just sad and pathetic and LLR-lefty Chuck level.
narciso: "Probably some Republicans are involved note the pressure from DC down to acosta to make this deal."
No doubt. But Im betting no conservatives.
wwwwwwwww,
How do you distinguish between honest perspective and "trolling"?
"I am hoping Trump gets another SCt nominee out of this."
Amy Coney Barrett is waiting in the wings.
There is no credible proof Inga voted for a third party candidate.
None.
The pipe dreams of a credible Lefty candidate are noted.
“Inga matters because she lives in Wisconsin. If she votes D rather then 3rd party that's a sign. Watch voters who voted 3rd party. They voted 3rd party 5 times higher then normal in 2016 in Wisconsin.”
I voted third party in 2016. Never again. I’ll vote Democrat. There are a number of good candidates.
Drago,
She will do for Ginsburg's seat.
Breyer strikes me as a candidate involved with Epstein.
Maybe Roberts.
I would trade those three for three Trump picks.
Plus a player to be named later.
Who is taking bets on Bob Menendez being involved?
Not to worry. Everyone already knows he is but he'll keep getting reelected as a dem.
“No doubt. But Im betting no conservatives.”
Hahahahaha, backtracking already.
Birkel, I actually disagree. I think disregarding inappropriately gathered evidence has terrible effects and lets many very evil people off the hook. The solution is to hold those who issued the bad warrant responsible as a completely separate matter, and that punishment needs to have teeth.
Well, Birkel..that would certainly reframe the "justice served" bit.
Inga: "I voted third party in 2016. Never again. I’ll vote Democrat. There are a number of good candidates."
100% of the dem candidates are for:
- Open Borders (yeah MS13!)
- Free health care for illegals
- social security for illegals
- literal infanticide
- socialism
- raising taxes on the middle class
Can't wait for the general.
Inga: "Hahahahaha, backtracking already."
Perfectly consistent.
What do I have to do, write it in a dossier for you?
LOL
Blogger Inga...Allie Oop said...
“No doubt. But Im betting no conservatives.”
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Hahahahaha, backtracking already.
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Idiot!
walter: "Well, Birkel..that would certainly reframe the "justice served" bit."
Hiiiiiyooooooo!! (...and Johnny's Guest Host tonite is Maclean Stevenson!)
walter, shhhhhh.
Just let her keep going. As with LLR-lefty Chuck, it just gets funnier and funnier as the night goes on.
I am still confused. The thread is about Epstein.
1) You're upset about Comey's daughter being on the case. Does that mean you do not want Epstein charged? Do you want Comey's daughter to be off the case? Do you want them to drop charges on Epstein? Why are you upset about Epstein being charged? Or are you ok with it? (I'm getting the strong impression you are upset with the charges against Epstein.
2) If you want them to drop charges, why? They found kiddie porn in his safe.
3) I'm not following at all why you think Muller is involved. This is based out of New York and the other case was based in Florida. I don't know why you think Comey's daughter is doing something wrong or political by working on this case. (Alleged child porn. Seems like a good idea to prosecute.) I don't get why you think the prosecutors in NY are doing something wrong in charging him.
4) It was the Miami Herald that got the case going. The investigative reporter talked to 80 women who were underage. It's not some sort of Democratic conspiracy. The reporting of all of the exploited kids and the weird deal -- that's what got the case reopened.
5) I don't get why men came on this thread and yelled at me for my comments about Epstein's (alleged) crimes. If you support the charges against Epstein, why are you all harassing me? I don't get it.
You all are upset that I commented about Epstein. If you don't support his behaviour, what's that about? I don't get it.
wwww: "I am still confused. The thread is about Epstein."
No its not.
You and Inga made it about Trump and republicans and even me!!
LOL
Anybody EXCEPT those involved...the dems.
Which explains everything really.
wwww said...
I am still confused. The thread is about Epstein.
1) You're upset about Comey's daughter being on the case. Does that mean you do not want Epstein charged? Do you want Comey's daughter to be off the case? Do you want them to drop charges on Epstein? Why are you upset about Epstein being charged? Or are you ok with it? (I'm getting the strong impression you are upset with the charges against Epstein.
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I am concerned your husband is a poor advisor...or..
Qwinn,
In that case the police would hide the decision making authority, avoid prosecution themselves, and the Fourth Amendment would be a dead letter.
Hard pass!
The powers that be already have too much power.
The FISA Court should be withdrawn until your proposed "teeth" materialize.
Its not going to work wwww.
Might as well pack it in for the night.
wwww,
Your impressions are stupid.
You are stupid.
Was that helpful?
"I voted third party in 2016. Never again. I’ll vote Democrat. There are a number of good candidates."
People like you are going to be the deciding factor. People who voted 3rd party in 2016. The election is going to be HUGE turn out all over the country. Rs will turn out HUGE. Ds will turn out HUGE. It's gonna come down to the independent vote and suburban women.
It's gonna be close and Wisconsin will be the state that decides it. In fact, I think it's the WOW counties about Wisconsin that will decide it.
Remember my prediction on election night!* I am not going to be around these bloggy parts when it closer to the election. Too much drama. :)
It was Mike Cernovich who got this case going.
The Miami Herald was a johnny-come-lately.
“You and Inga made it about Trump and republicans and even me!!”
No she didn’t, I did. And Drago why are you worried about Comey’s daughter? What concerns you?
wwww,
Your election predictions can be understood through the lenses of my 10:19PM comment.
"why are you worried about Comey’s daughter?"
No reason! All good!
"I am concerned your husband is a poor advisor...or.."
He's laughing at me. He thinks this is hilarious that you all have trolled me. He also knows I'm curious about people and like a dog with a bone when I'm curious about something. He is an indulgent husband.
You all don't get me at all. I think you think I'm trying to convince you. Or you think I'm running a political action group on this blog or something? But I don't care about such things. I'm intensely curious about people. I don't get it and I'm trying to understand you.
"Its not going to work wwww."
But what's not going to work? What do you think my motives are.
Birkel can you try for once not to be a weirdo?
Hard to believe campaigns aren't beating a hasty path to wwww's door to capture the "genius" of her Received Conventional "Wisdom".
Astonishing really.
How is it she hasnt been able to monetize these insights?
Its a crime I tellya.
History lesson:
Comey and Mueller were the brain trust who negotiated the previous sweetheart Epstein deal that left Epstein on the streets to abuse children for another 15 years.
That their kids are now involved in a case involving family interest (RE: protecting dear old daddy) represents a classic conflict of interest.
Leftist Collectivists are delightfully willfully ignorant.
"why are you worried about Comey’s daughter?"
“No reason! All good!”
Well budinsky, if Trump isn’t involved in this, why are you afraid of Comey’s daughter?
Hmmmm?
Inga,
The first time you are right about something controversial...
"if Trump isn’t involved in this, why are you afraid of Comey’s daughter?
Hmmmm?"
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Idiot!
Classic pearls before swine situation...
Birkel: "It was Mike Cernovich who got this case going.
The Miami Herald was a johnny-come-lately."
Correct.
Conservatives cranked this up because of course they did.
The entirety of the rest of the lefty media buried this story (Helloooo Carter Graydon).
Just like they did with Weinstein for 20 friggin years because Harvey is a huge lefty/dem.
(if you haven't seen investi-gators and legal beagles distorting everything within reach toward a clear goal, can't help ya)
"No she didn’t, I did."
I never made it about Drago. Except for when I got curious why he was yelling at me. A bunch of you guys came in outta nowhere and started yelling at us.
"And Drago why are you worried about Comey’s daughter? What concerns you?"
Yeah I don't get this either.
Birkel: "Classic pearls before swine situation..."
Quite so, quite so.
With zero probability of a Damascas Rd moment.
(if you haven't seen investi-gators and legal beagles distorting everything within reach toward a clear goal, can't help ya)
Epstein flight logs:
https://archive.org/details/EpsteinFlightLogsLolitaExpress
wwww: "Except for when I got curious why he was yelling at me."
LOL
Its unbelievable and hilarious and pathetic all at the same time.
I explain conflict of interest.
Inga and wwww remain confused.
Willfully.
Hilariously.
You idiots throw your conspiracy theories out there and then argue your point as if everyone believes as you do.
Sorry, I don’t believe Acosta had his arm twisted by Comey or Mueller. That is what you want to believe. Every thing is a big conspiracy in your twisted world.
Hoax Dossiet/hoax Collusion Cultist Inga: "You idiots throw your conspiracy theories out there and then argue your point as if everyone believes as you do."
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
How is it she hasnt been able to monetize these insights?
LOL I'll never get involved in politics. Anyways remember this discussion in November 2020 and then tell me if i'm wrong. :) I predicted the great recession & moved our $$ before it. I predicted the price of oil and fracking. I'm a super predictor.
Watch the suburbs. Watch 3rd party voters of 2016. Watch Wisconsin.
Its like someone hacked Inga's account to make her look even more ridiculous!!
Sometimes one simply has to sit back and truly savor the moment.
wwww: "LOL I'll never get involved in politics."
Yikes! Our loss I guess. We will try to muddle on regardless...
Flop sweat Drago!
Well, Royal ass Inga, contemporaneous news stories reflected DC DOJ/FBI involvement.
The Bush Administration, in which Mueller was FBI Director, received negative press for its involvement.
So 16 years ago the story was bad for eGOP Republicans so it was reported.
Now that presents a logical hurdle for sentient beings.
You suffer no impediment.
Inga: "Flop sweat Drago!"
Looks like Inga has once again run out of other peoples words to post.
This is a typical outcome.
I think I will go back and review all the flop sweat moments of Nov 2016, Mueller's "report", and Kavanaughs confirmation.
wwww,
There is no proof for your predictive powers.
Also, Royal ass Inga has no proof of her voting history.
I predict (insert unprovable thing here).
“Its unbelievable and hilarious and pathetic all at the same time.”
Yes you are.
Drago sez...
“Sorry Inga. This will all be dem/lefty with a few establishment types tossed in.”
hahahahahaahha!!
I explain conflict of interest.
yeah I'm not following. She's a daughter. I know the daughters of senators. Doesn't mean she's doing what her Dad wants in her job. Doesn't mean she can't be her own person and be a professional.
Do you want her off the case? Do you want the case dropped? What do you want?
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Also,
Why are you arguing with us about Epstein? We are happy he's charged. You are happy he's charged. We all agree that any child molesters, rapists and pornographers should be charged, regardless of political party. We all agree.
I don't see the point of disagreement.
Who could possibly have predicted the US could drill its way out of its energy woes?....besides every single energy company and conservative politician for the last 30 years, that is.
Remember how the wwww's of the world laughed and laughed at Sarah Palin's "Drill Baby Drill" campaign slogan?
Oh how all the "smart set" laughed and laughed...
I guess Trump found the Energy Magic Wand too!!
Inga: "Drago sez...
“Sorry Inga. This will all be dem/lefty with a few establishment types tossed in.”
hahahahahaahha!!"
Inga thinks "establishment types" EXCLUDES republicans!!
LOLOLOLOL
It just keeps getting better and better!
Birkel: "Well, Royal ass Inga, contemporaneous news stories reflected DC DOJ/FBI involvement."
Not just involvement, but direction.
wwww,
The point of the conflict of interest (protecting close family members) is beyond your capacity to understand?
I believe you.
Inga always gets in more rhetorical trouble fastest when she abandons mass cut and pastes and instead tries to go it alone using only her own "thoughts".
Hilarity always ensues.
But only always.
Try this wwww:
Would you let a spouse prosecute a spouse?
A parent prosecute a child?
Show me how your synapses work...
Drago,
To be fair to Royal ass Inga, she's painfully stupid.
Birkel: "wwww,The point of the conflict of interest (protecting close family members) is beyond your capacity to understand?
I believe you."
Not just close family members, but potentially any number of close family personal friends.
You know its not like the Comeys have demonstrated any predilection for manipulating a high profile investigation or anything.....
LOL
Inga, now that Trump has found both the Energy Magic Wand AND the Economy Magic Wand, what other previously undiscovered Magic Wands are still out there for Trump to find?
LOL
Epstein et al's proceedings must come down to "intent".
Drago,
You gotta stop projecting. It's kind of hilarious why you're so wrong. But I can't say why.
To all,
I am genuinely happy you want E. charged and prosecuted. It was distressing when I thought you were ok with his behaviour. There is one commenter who seemed to excuse it. Very disturbing.
Anyways I am slightly proud of us all for having a (relatively for this blog) civil discussion. I am not proud of us all for wasting time commenting when we could have been doing something more productive or more fun. Really we're a bunch of weirdos for commenting at all.
My husband thinks we all need hobbies. He suggests video games. Good night all and Ciao!
Look, guys!
It was distressing when 4-dumb was fantasizing about an opinion that existed nowhere but inside 4-dumb's head.
Ain't that something?
wwww: "Drago,
You gotta stop projecting. It's kind of hilarious why you're so wrong. But I can't say why."
I am not surprised at your reaction. I often encounter it when I am so obviously right.
wwww is distressed.
I should say so.
wwww: "My husband thinks we all need hobbies."
I would think your husband knows you well.
He knows us not at all.
So lets drop the "we", shall we paleface?
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww,
Maybe be a bit slower on the draw in the future, then.
Oh..I can hope.
walter,
What fun would it be if only Royal ass Inga were here to be stupid and shrill?
Let's hang onto the foils we have, such as they are.
Inga has been seeing "GOPe" for 3 years now but had no idea what the "e" stood for!
Her nonstop confusion and mental disorientation over the last 3 years comes more into focus.
Has Chuck appeared?
Seems not
Inga: There are far more than flight manifests that will be coming to light.
LOL. You played "wait until you see what's in the Mueller report!" for 2 years.
At least get some new material.
I think that this is going to be interesting. Epstein is supposedly a billionaire who made his money managing the money of other billionaires. Or something like that. Maybe. But that is looking a bit hinky. He doesn’t appear very frequently doing the things that money managers do. He doesn’t seem to have brokers buying and selling stocks for him, etc. I think that we may find that that was all a front, and that what he really was, was an extremely high class pimp, with an extremely exclusive and politically connected clientele. He appears to have had a large stable of teenaged girls, with more experienced girls working as recruiters at places where girls of that age hang out. And the ones that I have seen pictures of were all pretty hot.
What I think may be going on is that he has been, over the last couple decades or so one of the most exclusive, if not most exclusive, pimps in the country, if not world. And his clientele is heavily skewed to the most powerful, starting with Bill Clinton, and extending down through multiple governors and Senators. His recently seized photography collection is going to be interesting - was it just voyeurism, or was a bit of blackmail going on too?
I used to think that he could have just been a bit of a playboy, matching up his rich and powerful friends with young women who wanted to be around that sort of men. But running 80 or so girls at a time, it was very definitely a business, and no one spends as much time and energy recruiting and running a stable of girls absent some sort of reward, and most typically a financial reward. We just haven’t yet seen how it works, but it doesn’t appear, at least yet, to be the usual fee for services that you normally see in prostitution. Then again, he may really be a billionaire, with a taste for young flesh and the allure of being friends with some of the most powerful in the country is sufficient motivation for what he was doing.
One thing that appears certain is that he seemed to believe that his friends, to whom he had made his girls available, were powerful enough to keep him out of legal trouble. As some have suggested above, that may have come to a screeching stop with the election of the fairly Puritanical Trump and confirmation of possibly straight arrow AG Barr. There very clearly has been a two tier justice system in this country, evidenced by the different ways that Crooked Hillary and Trump were treated by the DoJ and FBI. AG Barr has apparently returned to the helm there at least partially to clean it up, and Epstein may be being swept up in the cleanup. His normal way of staying out of prison with high level strings being pulled for him may not work this time. We shall see.
BTW, Royal ass Inga doesn't understand what a superseding indictment is.
I just mentioned a two level justice system. We all know it exists. That is why Teddy Kennedy was able to spend his life in the Senate, instead of in prison - he left Mary Jo alive in the car, but instead of telling the authorities, he protected himself until she was long dead, which probably rises to the level of second degree murder. At least if his last name weren’t Kennedy. And the next generation of Joe Kennedy’s offspring were probably just as degenerate, if not more so, openly flaunting the law in Hyannis Port, Miami, Georgetown, and Aspen. At least until their wanton ways strike them down, as appears to have happened with his most famous nephew whose demise appears to have been the result of free basing cocaine in flight between NYC and Boston.
Those Kennedys are far from the only examples we can give here, just maybe some of the more blatant. Top Democrats in Congress and Cabinet members seem curiously immune from legal prosecution for misdeeds that would ordinarily call for lengthy prison terms - but none probably egregious as the Clintons pay to play sale of American foreign policy while Crooked Hillary was Secretary of State, and the thousands of felonies she very clearly committed by hiding it through the use of her private email server to conduct State Department business at the highest levels.
A two tier justice system, with one system for us, and the other for the rich and powerful.
I mentioned a couple days ago the distinction between Malum Prohibitum and Malum in Se crimes. Mostly, we see the difference in how people are treated under our two tier justice system in Malum Prohibitum crimes. Crimes like speeding, snorting cocaine, and even engaging in a bit of prostitution. But we do see the powerful getting away with Malum in Se crimes, like Teddy did killing Mary Jo, and Epstein seems to have done for quite some time in recruiting and running his stable of mostly teenaged “girls”. And very possibly the Podesta brothers and their supposed pedophilia ring. There are also supposedly groups that drink human blood of esp children for its supposed ability to extend life. Stuff that most of us would agree was evil, or at least verging on it. With enough wealth or power you can have sex with underaged boys or girls, or drink the blood of or molest even prepubescent children. And do so with impunity, though, so far, you have to be a little circumspect about your peccadilloes, unlike the dying days of the Roman Empire.
Blogger Birkel said...
“BTW, Royal ass Inga doesn't understand what a superseding indictment is.”
Not sure how important that is here, except to provide probable cause for the search warrants executed when Epstein was arrested. He is a registered sex offender who appears to have continued running a large stable of females, many underaged, that he made sexually available to his friends, and apparently had a very nice collection videos of of those friends engaged in sex with his girls, which, since many were underaged, constitutes kiddie porn. One felony count for each video he made of underaged sex, and one count for each video he retained. Sure, making some of the videos may have been covered by his previous plea agreement, but none of the possessions, since it is a continuing crime. I just can’t believe that his previous attorneys, after getting him his sweetheart plea deal didn’t warn him that, esp as a registered sex offender, he really, really, needed to destroy any sexually exploit or revealing videos and photos that he had of underaged girls, and to not make any more. Yet he appears, at least so far, to have done the opposite.
Judging from today's NYT coverage, a decision has been made to give up the Clintons -- who are washed up anyway -- and take out Trump. The Pelosi "faves" are has beens.
I believe Bruce is on the right track. Based on what I've read there is a lot more here than 'rich hedge fund guy likes underage girls and shares them with friends' as bad as that is. Everything about this case stinks to high heaven. I really, really hope it is finally unraveled and malefactors get what's coming to them.
"I think that this is going to be interesting. Epstein is supposedly a billionaire who made his money managing the money of other billionaires. Or something like that. Maybe. But that is looking a bit hinky. He doesn’t appear very frequently doing the things that money managers do. He doesn’t seem to have brokers buying and selling stocks for him, etc. I think that we may find that that was all a front, and that what he really was, was an extremely high class pimp, with an extremely exclusive and politically connected clientele."
The more things come out, the less it looks like Epstein is a simple billionaire just letting the rich and powerful hang around because of all the beautiful young women who flocked around him, and more and more like something like maybe a honey pot, designed to compromise the very rich and the very powerful around the country. One suggestion has even that he had been set up and was being funded by the Massad, the Israeli external security agency. Since they are quasi allies, that might explain why his operation was allowed to continue while we moved much more aggressively against for example Russian honey pots.
You all are upset that I commented about Epstein. If you don't support his behaviour, what's that about? I don't get it
Wwww, nice trolling. Or are you really thia stupid? Oh, let's be kind. Are you really thia obtuse? Your premises are all wrong and so all your conclusions thence drawn are wrong. Now, do you want to hear why, or do you want to keep howling at the moon?
Bruce Hayden,
Royal ass Inga thinks a superseding indictment would include President Trump.
You and I both know those are common in complex criminal prosecutions.
Just point and laugh with me.
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