Here's the whole 10 minutes:
TRUMP: "I didn't really expect it. We were in Japan for the G20 — we came over — and I said, hey, I'm over here, I want to call up the Chairman, Kim, and we got to meet, and stepping across that line was a great honor. A lot of progress has been made. A lot of friendships have been made. And this has been, in particular, a great friendship. So, I just want to thank you. That was very quick notice, and I want to thank you."
Kim, hearing the translation, breaks into a (seemingly) natural smile:
Kim makes no statement at that point, but we did hear him speak, at the point where Trump stepped across the border. You know how important borders are to Trump. The translator called out the words: "I never expected to meet you — at this place.... You'll be the first U.S. President to cross the border."
As I watched, I noticed that I was smiling.
I'm fascinated by the mixture of spontaneity and stateliness. There's the symbolism of friendship we know from childhood — you're near your friend, so that's a reason to ask if he can come out, and he does. Simultaneously, there's the grand symbolism of meeting on this dire borderline. Here they are, really there, and we know they are both men of the theater, striving to look natural on the unfathomably big stage — that narrow, pebbled alleyway.
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“The point of the highly provocative behavior in the first place was to get negotiations going.”
No. The provcative missle firing was to intimitate an historical enemy. A telephone is what is used to start negotiations.
Someone's just a nihilist, through and through.
Even if that were true, a nihilist can make a correct argument.
There was an article on Insty about the Chicoms and their “experts and academics” and how could they get things so wrong about the US and president?
@Michael:
No. The provcative missle firing was to intimitate an historical enemy. A telephone is what is used to start negotiations.
Why do nations put sanctions on other nations? To try to compel those nations to change their behavior. Weak nations like North Korea, which don't really have the capacity to sanction anyone, rely on provocative behavior and saber rattling. The pattern of ratcheting up tensions and then dialing them back while dangling the prospect of negotiations out there has been very common for the North.
"Gaddafi being the counter example."
Great point, and exactly why it was a supremely stupid move by the assholes in charge at the time, who then lied about it. The smartest, coolest leaders ever.
But reunification would make North Korea, as a political entity, cease to exist. It's hard to imagine a scenario where Kim sees that as in his best interest. Not impossible. But very very very hard.
At the end of the Korean War, the South had a population roughly double that of the North. It still does. But while income per capita was roughly equivalent up until the mid-1960's, since then South Korean income has grown rapidly while the North has stagnated at Third World levels. South Korean GDP is now roughly 50 times that of the North.
What's becoming painfully obvious even to Kim is that as first South Korea and then China became economic powerhouses, is that doing nothing is not a viable option. North Korea is rapidly becoming nothing but a footnote. Aside from nukes, I would bet the North Korean military is a paper tiger, with commanders up and down the lines lying about their units combat readiness in order to keep their jobs, just like Communists everywhere have always done.
Hahaha.
Smug knows his policy preferences are impossible.
So he tells me to buy a $3.69 gallon of milk for $3.
Another impossibility!!
@Jeff:
What's becoming painfully obvious even to Kim is that as first South Korea and then China became economic powerhouses, is that doing nothing is not a viable option.
I don't really disagree with anything you wrote. I would only point that even while accepting that "doing nothing is not a viable option," we don't really know what Kim does consider a viable option. It's just as plausible that he is seeking some relief of sanctions and other benefits in exchange for some limits on the North's nuclear weapons program. Attempts at implementing the agreements made at the Singapore Summit have not progressed very well. Whether this meeting helps restart them remains to be seen.
$3.69 gallon of milk for $3
Is there an Aldi near you? Milk at the Aldi in Woodbridge, VA is less than $2 per gallon.
Very proud of my President!
Half gallons are $2.19.
Reagan got almost nothing in his negotiations except words on paper that the Soviets ignored.
Reagan was a poopy head.
Civility Chavez style:
https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2019/06/30/chavismos-torture/
Milk at the Aldi in Woodbridge, VA is less than $2 per gallon.
Loss leader.
It's just as plausible that he is seeking some relief of sanctions and other benefits in exchange for some limits on the North's nuclear weapons program.
That might relieve the pressure on Kim for a year or two, but that's about all it would accomplish. Nothing short of a market economy can keep him in the game. Can he pull off massive economic reforms while still hanging on to power like Deng Xiaoping did? I doubt it. And even if he did, he needs access to international markets which he's not going to get without giving up the nukes. By the time Nixon went to China, the Chinese had already had nuclear weapons for decades, and no one was asking them to give them up. Nixon actually wanted a powerful China as a counter to the Soviet Union.
So I just don't see any real alternative for Kim but to negotiate the best terms he can for reunification. What Trump is telling him is that, if he plays his cards right, he could have an honored place in United Korea. No one blames him for the sins of his father and grandfather. He can be an important and wealthy man in a big important country.
I took my future wife out to lunch once.
Nothing fancy. No big deal. Couldn't tell you what either of us ate.
She may not even remember it.
It would be crazy to say that because I took this girl to lunch she gave birth to my 4 children.
There was a lot of other shit in there that had to happen first, but it was definitely a step in that direction.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that, one day, if Trump can keep this flirting up, Kim Jong-un may bear Trump's children.
Kim's officials are much better off than the common people, that is old hat and there must be other things in life. Look at the officials of other countries that used to be communist; they get to become rich in business, travel the world, send their kids to school at Oxford and Harvard, and their wives can vacation in Switzerland and shop for $5,000 handbags with Oprah Winfrey.
And Trump has intimated that they do not really have to be pariahs.
Chicken francaise is always a crowd pleaser
Yes the Chinese has nukes by 1964
https://www.businessinsider.com/kim-jong-un-heirs-what-we-know-2017-12
@Jeff:
He can be an important and wealthy man in a big important country.
Then I suppose I can understand why Kim would be skeptical of that premise.
Poor J.Farmer, complaining about his million dollar bill being wrinkled. Before I even read this thread I was wondering how long it would go without him flyspecking a remarkable meeting. Even at the end he couldn't concede Trump had anything really to do with improved relations with the Norks.
"The point of the highly provocative behavior in the first place was to get negotiations going."
As if there could only have been one outcome for launching missiles over Japan. (Eye roll)
I think it's possible that Trump has a kind of special insight into Kim Jong Un, because both of them inherited the "family business," and it may or may not have been what either really wanted to do, but neither had any choice. The big difference, of course, is that Kim is a third-generation ruthless hereditary dictator, not a real estate developer.
I think that Trump should point out that although our nations have been enemies for almost 70 years, the ideological underpinnings of that enmity no longer really exist. While Kim Il-Sung was definitely a "true believer" communist and his son Kim Jong-Il probably was as well, it's likely that Kim Jong-Un understands that with the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, the liberation of the satellite nations of Eastern Europe and the liberalization of nominally communist regimes in places like Vietnam and China, there are very few places left that believe in the class struggle and the inevitable victory of communism over capitalism, and those places are some of the most impoverished on Earth (Cuba and North Korea). Kim Jong-Un is reported to have spent some of his early years at school in Switzerland, so it's not like he doesn't know what life outside of North Korea is like. And since he is probably more of an autocrat rather than a true-believing communist, there may be room for deal-making (True-believers of any stripe would be unwilling to compromise their ideals.)
Now I'll go look to see if anyone is accusing Trump of going just to get another translator killed.
@Gk1:
Before I even read this thread I was wondering how long it would go without him flyspecking a remarkable meeting. Even at the end he couldn't concede Trump had anything really to do with improved relations with the Norks.
Let's certainly not concern ourselves with thinking about this or the facts. It's feelings about this "remarkable meeting" that matter.
As if there could only have been one outcome for launching missiles over Japan. (Eye roll)
Considering the history of doing such things and many others (e.g. the shelling of Yeonpyeong, the sinking of the Cheonan), provocations from the North are a well known pattern.
In retrospect it's clear that part of the flexibility that Putin requested was the transfer of those Ukrainian boosters to Kim
Invite lil' Kim to the White House. Send him home in a body bag. Toe tag says: best wishes, The Warmbeirs.
J. Farmer said...
@Achilles:
Shit forget all of this. It is too hard. Lets just get a ClintonBushObama back in charge.
If we didn't know better we would think Farmer liked it better when we were bombing Libya and sending piles of money/oil to Iran and North Korea.
Please go away and come back when you have something worth saying.
If you were as smart as you think you are, you would pick up on what I was saying.
You spent over a dozen posts saying nothing but stupid inane bitching.
I spent 2 now.
But here is the substance:
Trump has accomplished more in 2 years than your hero Obama did shipping money/oil to Iran and North Korea in 8 and Bush for 8 and Clinton for 8.
I know you don't understand that North Korea is 100% about China as well.
Best not to think too deeply about this stuff.
You might have to admit Iran is funding proxy wars all over the middle east again.
Francisco D said...
The notion that North Korea was ever "crazy" was always a crazy idea.
Running a country is a very profitable business for Kim, his father and grandfather, just as it has been for the Assad family. They have billions in the bank, but nowhere to go except to stay in their countries. If they give up power without ironclad protection agreements, they would be assassinated in 6 months.
One could say the same about Putin, Abbas, Arafat and many others.
Follow the money. It is not about "crazy".
This is a 98% great comment.
Running a country has been a hugely profitable proposition, for many authoritarian families. Putin. The Saudis. The North Korean Kims. Duterte. Xi "Big Daddy Xi" Jingping. Abdel-Fattah "The Pimp" Al-Sissi. Recep "Sultan" Erdogan.
And in each and every case, the authoritarian corruptocrats have been praised and personally lauded by Donald Trump. Trump, who really behaves more like an authoritarian corruptocrat than any President in history, has cozied up to all of them. By all outward appearances, Trump prefers them to America's traditional allies; Canada, Great Britain, the democracies of Western Europe, NATO, etc.
That's why were sanctioning xi xi ping and Erdogan chuck how about the ayatollah
A non nuclear NKorea is what Asia wants. Trump is working towards that goal. from kims point of view a non nuclear NKorea has no international leverage. On the other hand NKorea is also broke. Damn the peasants western goods are expensive and Kim likes his stuff. Kim wants reunification on his terms. Unfortunately the peasants are getting access to all kinds of outside information. The trickle of outside goods threatens to become a deluge. Kim is going to forced to decide for even more oppression or a loosening of restrictions. Either way he loses a certain amount of control. Upset peasants who actively work to sabotage his rule. Or a liberalization of access. When done he also loses control, but is viewed more favorably by the peasants. China is not going to help. The South is not going to help. The last thing they need is millions of ignorant, diseased peasants wandering around the countryside with their hands out.
Admitted Smear Merchant Chuck: "rump, who really behaves more like an authoritarian corruptocrat than any President in history, has cozied up to all of them. By all outward appearances, Trump prefers them to America's traditional allies; Canada, Great Britain, the democracies of Western Europe, NATO, etc."
Another in an endless sea of lefty/LLR lies and smears intended to bolster the lefts narratives.
Transparently so.
Still, Barr and Durham continue their work to expose the lefty/LLR-lefty authoritarians who would use the capabilities of our govt as weapons against domestic political opponents.
And no, I dont care if calling out Hillary and obambi will cause LLR Chuck to pitch a fit.
Chuck beclowns himself yet again.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and state that I bet the game of chess confuses you.
I am still waiting for Farmer to describe in detail precisely what should be done and for how long and by whom and using what "tools" in order to achieve what specific outcomes in what specific timeframe.
I am sure its gotta be the greatest plan ever!
Rusty: "Chuck beclowns himself yet again."
Chuck's moronic musings probably sound great when he is running them by all his far left pals.
He just likes stepping on rakes, urban and duda two eastern wuropeans understand the stakes more than say may and Macron.
He wanted a ransom like the original framework negotiated by wendy Sherman sold by Robert malley.
BTW, it was already a given that LLR Chuck would launch an "Authoritarian" charge against Trump as that is part of the overall Dem/Lefty Smear offensive as we get closer to Barr and Durham completing their work.
You can always get an early headsup in what LLR Chuck will be lying about that day by perusing Media Matters, DailyKos, the DNC website, blogs from any far far left commentator, etc.
LLR Chuck is always 100% in pitch perfect alignment with the radical left's talking points of the day.
But only every single day...when he isnt too drunk to post.
@Achilles:
Trump has accomplished more in 2 years than your hero Obama did shipping money/oil to Iran and North Korea in 8 and Bush for 8 and Clinton for 8.
North Korea has only been a nuclear power state for about 12 of those last 26 years. Preventing North Korea from developing nuclear weapons and now doing something about a North Korea with nuclear weapons are distinctive goals.
That you believe Obama was "shipping money/oil" to North Korea only demonstrates how uninformed you are. The US has provided no energy assistance to North Korea since 2009, after the Six-Party talks fell apart. Obama's strategy in attempting to revive the six-party talks stalled. A deal was struck in 2012 but was violated a few months later. They then opted to ratchet up sanctions and hope that increasing isolation would bring the North to the negotiating table. Basically a kick the can strategy by that point.
Once again we are in a situation where we are attempting to negotiate with the North over some limitation on their nuclear weapons program. As I said in my first comment, "I'm all for a broader detente with North and some kind of arranged deal." Negotiations and diplomacy are generally preferable to escalation and tension. However, the only appropriate position I see at this time is agnosticism. There is certainly no reason to criticize Trump for this meeting, but there is still not a whole lot to celebrate either. It's still wait and see. This is not a major breakthrough. But of course could be again. Time will tell.
I know you don't understand that North Korea is 100% about China as well.
Because it isn't.
Best not to think too deeply about this stuff.
As you've demonstrated.
@Drago:
I am still waiting for Farmer to describe in detail precisely what should be done and for how long and by whom and using what "tools" in order to achieve what specific outcomes in what specific timeframe.
We should do, basically, what we are already doing. Negotiate with the North for some kind of settlement. The question is will each side be able to back away from its maximalist demands. Our current situation with the North Koreans is stalled.
Farmer: "I'm all for a broader detente with North and some kind of arranged deal."
Not specific enough.
Farmer: "We should do, basically, what we are already doing."
Terrific.
Moving on then.
China has almost as checkered a history as japan with Korea going back to joseon dynasty
However, the only appropriate position I see at this time is agnosticism.
That, or nihilism.
Which is fine. You don't care, it mean nothing, and anyone drawn to any positive reaction are...what did you call them?
Oh. Partisans.
And in each and every case, the authoritarian corruptocrats have been praised and personally lauded by Donald Trump. Trump, who really behaves more like an authoritarian corruptocrat than any President in history, has cozied up to all of them. By all outward appearances, Trump prefers them to America's traditional allies; Canada, Great Britain, the democracies of Western Europe, NATO, etc.
That is not only DNC/LLR bullshit. It is really weak DNC/LLR bullshit.
1. Trump has been the most forcefully restrained POTUS in my lifetime because of endless investigations and the near unanimous MSM hatred that spews forth every day. He is almost gelded and could not be authoritarian even if he wanted to be.
2. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer
This is not rocket science, but the DNC/LLR alliance just cannot understand because they do not want to understand. They want power because they are totally corrupt in every facet of life.
@Drago:
Terrific.
Moving on then.
If I've said anything to the contrary, you'll have to let me know. What I did say was that we should be cautious from drawing any kind of significant conclusions from this meeting. The strategic picture has not changed, and the underlying issues that have kept the US and North Korea at an impasse remain.
Farmer, terrific.
Moving on.
@Browndog:
That, or nihilism.
Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
...what did you call them?
Oh. Partisans.
Not quite. What I said was that I was "guessing strong reactions on either side are driven largely by partisan concerns." I prefer to think of that as realism.
@Drago:
Farmer, terrific.
Moving on.
I wasn't aware I was keeping you.
Another reason LLR Chuck is performing so poorly in his Moby role is due to panuc on the Lefty/dem/LLR-left after their horrific dem debates.
That had to be terribly demoralizing to LLR Chuck as he realized his heroic and courageous and magnificent dems came off as everything but!
LOL
You'd think our fake conservative LLR would have at least attempted to chum the political waters with one or two tepid "criticisms" of some dem candidates just to keeo up LLR appearances.
But nope.
Laziness, possibly due to frequent inebriation, has made Chuck even more undisciplined than usual.
What a coincidence. Trump arrives on the scene and the missile shooting stops.
“North Korea doesn't really need nukes, any more than India or Russia really need nukes for protection. Only three countries in the world really need nukes as a deterrent: US, Israel, North Korea's Kim. Huh? Yeah, Kim does need nukes for the same reason that Gaddafi should have kept his nukes: so that no one would dare to smash him and remove him from power.”
Let me ask you then what is keeping the Chinese out of Siberia right now? Without their nuclear arsenal, could their conventional military stand up to the Chinese one? How much longer?
https://twitter.com/annafifield/status/1145313437943119872">https://twitter.com/annafifield/status/1145313437943119872
@Lyle Smith:
What a coincidence. Trump arrives on the scene and the missile shooting stops.
The missile shooting started after Trump arrived on the scene, in August and September of 2017. They have since halted. The last time a missile was fired over Japan in that manner was 2009. And in 1998 before that. There had also been missiles over the south end of the Japanese archipelago in 2012 and 2016. Again, it would be unlikely for the North Koreans to engage in highly provocative acts while involved in negotiations with the US. But also recall that just last month the North Koreans were testing new missile and launch technology.
Follow the progression:
Trump raises Tariffs on China AND bans Huawei imports. Xi, I have read, has a financial stake in Huawei. Affecting Huawei, affects Xi's pockets. Tariffs are not currently hurting the US stock market.
Xi/Trump talks at G20 are set prior to the G2..
Xi personally visits NK prior to the G20. The signal to Trump is that Xi is willing to deal on the Tariff deal with NK as China puppet state, as the chips in play.
Trump/Xi meeting in G20. Trump and Xi agree to the following:
* Tariffs remain
* Huawei imports rules back to normal (with Trump face saving with "non security related technology")
* China agrees to buy Ag products from the US (Trump gets win to help farmers).
* Negotiations resume to lower Tariffs (at the status quo).
Trump "happens to be in the neighborhood" and gets meeting with Kim and an hour alone with him.
Net result? Kim is no longer hostage to China. Does that mean de-nuclearization? Re-unification? No. Not necessarily. It does mean that China is offering those things in exchange for Tariff reductions. NK is no longer hostage.
Once again Trump makes "something" out of nothing. He bet the economy and his political base (rural america) to achieve better relations with NK.
Remember 2 years ago, the media experts were talking about nuclear war with NK. Today Trump shake hands at the DMZ. I'd call that progress.
But yeah, Trump is evil and dumb and doesn't know what he's doing. He just keeps winning.
Note also that any NK/SK deal will be couched as the efforts of some other party (probably Moon from SK) so as to NOT give Trump any credit. But everybody with any power will know how it happened.
Still not tired of the winning.
Baby steps.
Note that the diplomatic gift basket included a case of Titleist Pro V1x golf balls, NOT the Titleist Pro V1.
Suck on that, Chuck! Wrong again!
Shall we talk about DMZ?
Nah, about Chuck ....
@Brian:
Net result? Kim is no longer hostage to China.
In what way is this true?
It does mean that China is offering those things in exchange for Tariff reductions. NK is no longer hostage.
China is "offering" reunification in exchange for tariff reductions? I'm highly skeptical.
but I don't want the US to try to change regimes in Saudi Arabia and the UAE and Qatar and Brunei.
Oh, you don't? Because this is the first time you've ever said anything that would lead anyone to think that.
Not quite. What I said was that I was "guessing strong reactions on either side are driven largely by partisan concerns." I prefer to think of that as realism.
Indeed you did, noting that no one at that point expressed any 'strong reactions'; just normal, human reactions.
Any reaction is too strong--let me spend the afternoon lecturing you boobs as to why. No?
It's hard to argue if your position that denuclearization is just a sideshow to some secret negotiations that nobody knows about but that you suspect are occurring. Let's just say, for a second, that your instincts are correct. Given your point of view, what would you suspect North Korean behavior to look like over the next year or two?
I am just trying to follow doctrev's reasoning here. Kim won't give up nuclear weapons because they are too important to his regime, but he will give up his regime?
6/30/19, 12:47 PM
Sorry I'm late, it's a nice weekend and I'm not spending it here all the time. Anyways! You've already seen some people weigh in, but let me leave you with this: what is likely to happen is a lot of negotiation that doesn't bring in actual denuclearization, otherwise inexplicable American friendship moves that don't include a relaxation of economic sanctions, and the Chinese anxiously moving more troops towards their border with the Norks. One fine day a flurry of activity will erupt, and a slapdash economic treaty that suddenly moves North Korea from a Chinese protectorate to an American one will emerge. Judicial and economic moves that will be characterized as "completely unprepared" emerge as North and South Korea move towards increasing co-operation, culminating in a massive program of humanitarian assistance and well-publicized meetings of families as the DMZ becomes demilitarized in truth. It won't need to be all that expensive given North Korean living standards, but I won't be surprised if it is.
What, you say, no long negotiations, confidence building, and white papers? How on earth could you merge economies without them? I'm using the example of West and East Germany: things seemed like they were just mildly increasing co-operation, until the rotten East German structure suffered massive economic dislocation and forced abrupt economic merger. Trump will pretend to be surprised, while the juicebox media actually will be surprised! (Will that include yourself?) Kim will refuse to give up his regime as long as he looks like he'll be killed, imprisoned, or even offered exile. But as the man who ended Korea's worst nightmare, the only one strong enough to do so, he'll be lionized as a national hero and offered as high a living standard as he could possibly ask for. Maybe even political power, though I don't think anyone will make him king as Scott Adams suggested. China might try going after him, but there's a reason nation-states don't do that kind of thing against major national leaders, and particularly not against someone who has inherited a regime that uses particularly merciless secret police.
that puts the cart before the horse, the east german economy was always a disaster as was the soviets, so what happened subsequently was west germany had to absorb this old man of Europe, mostly on it's own terms, Poland was probably a little ahead as were hungary and Czechoslovakia, in Russia, the shell game was between the new class who sold off their shares and the oligarchs who bought them back, it was the same group of people, berezovsky, deripasha, sochin, and co,
Shall we talk about DMZ? Nah, about Chuck ....
Shrug. We are at 250+ comments. If you couldn't explain it on the first page...
Plus, reading Farmer's "expert" foreign policy opinion makes my eye's bleed, like when an actual scientist endures an actress expressing her views on Global Warming Doom.
If I'm going to read fiction, I'm going to make it entertaining.
Go on, talk about the DMZ. But would you mind wearing this clown nose while you do so?
And remember:
Please use the Althouse-Amazon portal for all your clown apparel!
You won't believe #5 !!!
exactly that's why I found this steele dossier, right up with matt helm, or johnny English, when the mifsud-halper-downer triple cross is more interesting,
Plus, reading Farmer's "expert" foreign policy opinion makes my eye's bleed, like when an actual scientist endures an actress expressing her views on Global Warming Doom.
@ J.Farmer
If you want a public service contribution, teach narciso how to hyperlink...
@Fen:
Plus, reading Farmer's "expert" foreign policy opinion makes my eye's bleed, like when an actual scientist endures an actress expressing her views on Global Warming Doom.
That's why I write it.
Well, I was in the neighborhood, and I thought I'd stop and say "hi." How is your wife? How are the kids? I hope everyone is well. A step in the right direction.
Are there actual negotiations going on between NK, SK, and the US? If there are, we know the professional diplomats of the US State Department aren't involved. One reason we know that they aren't involved if talks are going on is that nothing has leaked. Is there anyone who actually believes this DMZ trip was a spontaneous last minute thing? Another reason is Trump wouldn't use the deep state professionals because they would be doing their level best to sabotage the talks because Orange Man Bad. So what if it hurts the US, Trump is their real enemy.
BTW, I just checked. Whole milk at my local Wegmans is $2.09 a gallon. I could shop somewhere else and pay more, but their milk is always fresh. A gallon lasts me 6 shifts at work, 4 days consumption at home from my son.
Fen and Drag-o, you're Trump uniforms are ready via the Althouse wormhole to Bezos Bargains:
https://www.amazon.com/slp/cheerleader-costume/zj6w9zkxhffm5eg
Trump is an amazing individual.
Fingers crossed:
https://social.quodverum.com/@REX/102359646421070258
"If you want a public service contribution, teach narciso how to hyperlink"
No no. That's like asking a Master Chef to raise the cow and farm the onions.
"Fen and Drag-o, you're Trump uniforms are ready"
Cute, Howard. But the clown nose goes on your nose.
Farmer - even if I disagree on some issues with you, especially Iran,
I do appreciate the quality and insight in your comments.
Ray
Thanks, I have tried that short cut it doesn't really work.
The authoritarian Trump comment is just trolling, and not very good at that.
It does bring up the question on which President was actually the most authoritative.
My Swag:
1. Wilson
2. Adams
3. Jackson
4. Lincoln
5. Roosevelt
I would argue Obama is much more authoritarian than Trump, the irs targeting of the tea party, the hacking apparently of Sharyl Attkisson, and the entire deep state targeting of Trump. These terrify me.
Easy copy and paste hyperlinks for Narciso
Don"t Narciso! It's a trap!
What are the standards for the Nobel Peace Prize again?
"done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses"
Trump was supposed to start a nuclear war if elected.
What a disappointment.
I feel like I wasted my vote.
Well we still have a year to go, sarc.
If we had a properly functional FBI and CIA, Lil' Kim would be dead by now. They are useless rice-bowlers.
Well we still have a year to go, sarc.
I shall KEEP HOPE ALIVE
Warmbier via Chuck: It's probably a mistake to make diplomatic negotiations hinge on the fate of one person. Something horrible happened to Otto Warmbier. There is intelligent speculation that it was an allergic reaction or something similar, poorly treated by the Norks, or a suicide attempt. Torture of an American would be very unusual. https://lloydtown.blogspot.com/search?q=warmbier
Anybody who's learned to copy and paste in the computer world can learn how to make hyperlinks. It's really one of the easiest things to master (or just use effectively) in this world of ours.
I tried three times:
https://babalublog.com/2019/06/28/for-those-profiting-off-stolen-property-in-cuba-the-time-has-come-to-pay-up/
How it was done once upon a time:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/how-we-destroyed-sukarno-1188448.html%3famp
I copied and pasted into the thing Harold linked to above. Works on a laptop with Firefox.
https://babalublog.com/2019/06/28/for-those-profiting-off-stolen-property-in-cuba-the-time-has-come-to-pay-up/
Fwiw:
https://www.heroesmediagroup.com/the-brilliance-of-kushners-new-middle-east-peace-plan/?fbclid=IwAR2BCwivk0MrohJDsrvlvMB41OVXXwkXbBIVlmDVjgePT0KA60i3o_eA_cc
I had a hard time linking for a while because I was putting quotes around my link address. It seemed like it just stopped working one day
"I had a hard time linking for a problem because I was putting quotes around my link address. It seemed like it just stopped working one day."
Yep, that's what I experienced on the iPad. It abruptly went from "use quotes" to "don't use quotes". Inga, of all people, was the one who clued me in.
I'd be happy if narciso simply started using decipherable sentences and spelling.
Howard: "Fen and Drag-o, you're Trump uniforms are ready via the Althouse wormhole to Bezos Bargains:"
Yep. Pro-antifa lefty posted that. Just now.
If you are trying to use irony on the troll, don’t bother. He’s blind to it.
Blogger Lloyd W. Robertson said..."Warmbier via Chuck: It's probably a mistake to make diplomatic negotiations hinge on the fate of one person. Something horrible happened to Otto Warmbier."
Chuck's Trump animus is more important to him than world peace or enslaved populations.
Inga, of all people, was the one who clued me in.
rhardin pointed out that highlighting narciso links (or others), then right click and open. No copy/paste needed
I sadly wasnt surprised what happened to warmbier, a similar non fatal instance happened with noel field (yes one of those fields) who had served as a Soviet spy) but also had connections to Allen dulles, naturally koba sent to him seven years in siberia
FullMoon - That doesn't work for all Operating Systems.
In particular, on an iPad you must highlight the text with your fat finger, fighting with Apple's attempt to "nelp" you by autocompleting lines, (because Apple softheads know better than you what you want to do, dontchaknow), cut, and paste. Its tediuos. I won't do it anymore unless I'm positive I want to read the link.
"If you want a public service contribution, teach narciso how to hyperlink"
No no. That's like asking a Master Chef to raise the cow and farm the onions.
Astute analogy.
Everyone is missing what really just happened. China has caved to Trump. N Korea is just a distraction.
In particular, on an iPad you must highlight the text with your fat finger, fighting with Apple's attempt to "nelp" you by autocompleting lines, (because Apple softheads know better than you what you want to do, dontchaknow), cut, and paste. Its tediuos. I won't do it anymore unless I'm positive I want to read the link.
I thought you could just say the link out loud and iPad would go there.
Pronunciation kinda tricky sometimes, though, I bet
I really don't understand why leftists are pissed off about this, considering they live their lives according to Harry Potter and Game of Thrones. On Game of Thrones, they clearly state multiple times, "you don't make peace with your friends". So, leftists should be loving this.
But I guess that would require them to have consistent principles. Not realistic.
Don't forget to cover the videos of Portland Antifa peacefully and tolerantly beating old people with crowbars.
I know how to use hyperlinks and I used to do so, but I came to realize that embedding a link takes about 10 times as much effort as it does for the reader to simply select the text of the address in a comment and go there. Plus the reader sees where he is going and can instantly decide if he wants to go there. Using links in Blogger is not better than not doing so. The combined effort of both writer and reader is much more efficient with simple text addresses. It's kind of like how electrical devices used to just turn on and off instantly, but now you have to wait for them to call their mom first.
Nobel prize: "...abolition or reduction of standing armies".
Kind of like having gun free zones.
Soooo many great comments (you know who you are) but Oso Negro 11:18, thank you. Wonderful day indeed.
It takes less than thirty seconds to set up a hyperlink. A couple of hardcores here might cut and paste but not the many lurkers or those or those of us out of give a damn. No matter though, the big problem, and Ann has pointed this out on occasion, is it wrecks the flow of the thread. We’re having a conversation and someone talking to us literally speaks in code.
The blog could have the code to make a hyperlink tucked away visible somewhere. Beneath this box I'm typing in, it says how to do bold, italics, and something else, but not hyperlink.
It would be crazy to say that because I took this girl to lunch she gave birth to my 4 children.
Well, what was for lunch? I mean, a burger and fries probably ain't gonna do it.
"I'm so wone-wee..."
tradguy,
" And again Trump is using plan A which backs them down and offers them a share in our prosperity if they will change sides.
And Hillary's Globalists weep and gnash their teeth."
Well, they do much worse than that. Hillary arranged for Khadaffi to be slaughtered after he changed to our side. And then joked about it afterward.
Nichevo,
"Oh, you don't? Because this is the first time you've ever said anything that would lead anyone to think that [you don't want the US to try to change regimes in Saudi Arabia and the UAE and Qatar and Brunei]."
Seriously?
Because aside from his other flaws, J.F. seems a bit of an Arabist.
OMike,
"That doesn't work for all Operating Systems."
It's not an OS thing, it's a browser thing. Chrome certainly does have an option when you right-click (or press-and-hold on a touch screen.)
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