Althouse: "The question of impeachment hasn't just been employed as effective hospice care, it's become a major talking point among House Democrats..."

June 18, 2019

"The question of impeachment hasn't just been employed as effective hospice care, it's become a major talking point among House Democrats..."

69 comments:

BarrySanders20 said...: Foreign interference! No fair!; 6/18/19, 10:39 AM
Heartless Aztec said...: Arrgghhhh. You can't make me watch John Oliver.; 6/18/19, 10:44 AM
Geoff Matthews said...: So, if/when Mexican officials make statements about Trump, is that foreign interference?; 6/18/19, 10:47 AM
Fernandinande said...: Graphene is a good John Oliver repellent.; 6/18/19, 10:54 AM
chuck said...: Ah... nevermind.; 6/18/19, 10:55 AM
John henry said...: Still waiting for someone to tell me the high crimes and misdemeanors he should be impeached for.

Dick? I think you've said he should be impeached but were silent on the whys when asked.

Have you had any ideas on this yet?

John Henry; 6/18/19, 11:03 AM
Michael K said...: House Democrats and hospice care do sort of go together.

Also I wonder if he will be doxxed for showing a video of Nancy drunk? By By Birdie ?; 6/18/19, 11:04 AM
Fen said...: Jon Oliver. Telling us to take impeachment seriously. LOL.

Noseblind!; 6/18/19, 11:06 AM
Big Mike said...: Sixty-three votes in favor of impeachment (without having heard one word of evidence!) leaves Pelosi only 150 votes short of success. (Make that 149 short, I almost forgot about Amash.); 6/18/19, 11:10 AM
Fen said...: You can't make me watch John Oliver.

Oh but this bit of schadenfreude paired with liberal tears is SO delicious!

Although it's ironic - the people whining about a Reality TV President are the same ones who get their political advice from Late Night Comedy. Haha.; 6/18/19, 11:12 AM
Mike Sylwester said...: Both of my parents died of natural causes in mid-2016. They died peacefully, certain that Donald Trump would lose in a landslide.

If they had lived until Election Day, both of them would have died of strokes or heart attacks within the following week.; 6/18/19, 11:17 AM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: The left thought their horrible money grubbing liar could beat Trump. So they pimped Trump.
Oliver admitted and begged for it all to happen.

LOL Schadenfreude, indeed.; 6/18/19, 11:19 AM
Carol said...: OK I watched the whole thing. He steals a few bases there. Like assuming that Trump would never leave office if convicted, where Trump was only saying he wouldn't resign the way Nixon did. Plus I don't think when Junior was offered dirt on Hillary that it was supposed to be from the Russian govt. It was just some Russian gal. Etc.

And I did read The Report. If the McGahn business was the worst part, I think Team WH did a good job of containing Trump's impulses, and sorry I can't get worked up about it. And what he says to Stephanopolis is so real, and reasonable. He's just not a lawyer. If Congressmen were as circumspect and incorruptible as they pretend maybe I'd be outraged but they're not. So I'm a terrible person!

Anyway, who the hell is this foreigner to advise Congress on what it should do for maximum effect? Given they could probably not convict in the Senate.

Eff him.; 6/18/19, 11:22 AM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: NO way Trump will beat Hillary ---> Her.
No way.
and if he does - we will impeach him.

Deploy the insurance policy.; 6/18/19, 11:22 AM
Chuck said...: Althouse I get it, that you wanted your readers to laugh at families who told dying elders that Trump was finally being impeached. TDS and all. Yawn.

Did you also mean for us to see John Oliver’s mocking Trump for his weirdly moronic recitation of “high crimes AND misdemeanors”?; 6/18/19, 11:23 AM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: Learning about Clinton corruption is an outrage!; 6/18/19, 11:23 AM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: esp from the Norwegians.; 6/18/19, 11:23 AM
Big Mike said...: Oops. Pelosi is 155 votes short. And me a mathematician!; 6/18/19, 11:32 AM
David53 said...: I so hope people like Oliver convince the Democrats to start impeachment proceedings. When my progressive friends complain about Trump I call their Democratic leadership cowards for not pursuing impeachment to which they respond with variations of we don't want to give him ammunition for reelection or we'll wait until after the election so we can bring criminal charges against him. I reply that if their leadership doesn't start impeachment proceedings then they are as morally bankrupt as they claim Trump is. I usually hear crickets after that.; 6/18/19, 11:32 AM
Mike Sylwester said...: Impeachment proceedings would be an excellent opportunity for the House Republicans to inform a huge television audience about the RussiaGate hoax.

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Also, the House Republicans should question -- on television -- Robert "The FBI Whitewasher" Mueller and his entire staff. Each of Mueller's Trump-hating lawyers should be questioned on television about the alleged obstruction of justice.

* What subject did you yourself investigate?

* How was your particular investigation obstructed?

* What documents were you prevented from reading?

* Which witnesses were you prevented from interviewing?

* How did you document those particular obstructions?

* Do you personally think that President Trump should be removed from his elected office because of those obstructions?

* Did you think that President Clinton should have been removed from his elected office because of his obstructions of justice?

* Did you think that President Obama should have been removed from his elected office for failing to provide Fast and Furious documents to Congress?

* Do you think that President Trump obstructed justice by complaining that Robert "The FBI Whitewasher" Mueller had too many conflicts of interest to do his job fairly?

* Do you recognize that Mueller's previous position as FBI Director and his close professional and personal relationships to James Comey perhaps posed valid conflict-of-interest concerns?

* When did you personally arrive at the conclusion that there was no collusion between Trump and Putin?

* Do you recognize that Mueller's two-year investigation obstructed investigations that Congress and the DOJ Inspector General were trying to conduct? Did anyone on the staff express any concerns about your own staff's years-long obstruction of those other investigations?

Many other such questions should be posed, on live television, to each member of Mueller's staff.; 6/18/19, 11:35 AM
Caligula said...: "Still waiting for someone to tell me the high crimes and misdemeanors he should be impeached for."

He's uncouth. Isn't that enough?

Impeachment remains a political (not a judicial) remedy. If you've got the votes and you want to do it, then you do it. So, yes, that (or anything) is "enough."

BUT, one wonders if there'd seriously consider impeachment if there were any real possibility of conviction in the senate. For impeaching presidents just because one has the votes, even when there's little if any real justification for doing so, seems an insanely destabilizing and destructive thing to do.

For once it starts, why would it ever stop?; 6/18/19, 11:36 AM
iowan2 said...: This horse is dead Stop beating it.

Would one of these dems write of a draft of articles of impeachment so we can talk about specifics and not hypotheticals? This is just an extension of the special counsel investigation.
When forced to talk specifics, all we got was unintelligible gibberish. Some leftist media whore can come up with a draft so we can get specific in the debate.(but debate of the facts is not the goal is it?); 6/18/19, 11:38 AM
Swede said...: The Democrats might as well impeach.

He's going to beat that drum all the way across the finish line anyway.

The smart ones know this and can't stop it.

The crazy ones don't care.; 6/18/19, 11:45 AM
Hagar said...: Article II of the Constitution is all about "he" and him," not "it," i.e. the President is the "boss of bosses," and they all report to him, not he to them, and he is the judge of what he wants to share with his staff. Congress may complain about what information he has, or has not, shared with Congress, but what he chooses to discuss with his staff is none of their business.; 6/18/19, 11:56 AM
Jaq said...: Does John Oliver’s face not just scream low IQ? I think it’s the narrow set eyes, the dumb look when he jumps to a conclusion with a carefully curated half of the facts, and the moronic shit that comes out of his mouth.; 6/18/19, 12:00 PM
mikee said...: Althouse, you are using a fictionalized comedic entertainment show for insight into reality. While the New York Times is also a disgrace at presenting facts, at least it isn't a third generation spinoff of Chevy Chase proclaiming that Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead, like this hard-hitting cable comedy act.; 6/18/19, 12:00 PM
Yancey Ward said...: To quote Oliver himself- "Do it! Do it! Look at me, do it! I will personally write you a campaign check....."

An impeachment trial would almost literally ensure Trump's reelection, and a majority of House Democrats, with far more common sense than Oliver, understand this. This why you won't ever see a vote in the House, but will probably have all the House Democrats mouth support for impeachment knowing they will never have to actually vote for it. It is the same sort of thinking behind Nadler's threats to subpoena Robert Mueller for testimony- he can safely say this because he knows he will never issue that subpoena, and he won't issue it because he knows Mueller would be a terrible witness for the Democrats.; 6/18/19, 12:06 PM
Beasts of England said...: What did I just watch? I mean, is there much of an audience for that peculiar reality and equally bizarre delivery?; 6/18/19, 12:08 PM
Dude1394 said...: Sorry, I will NOT watch this democrat propagandists.; 6/18/19, 12:13 PM
Drago said...: Eric Swalwell "republican" Chuck: "........ stuff........ more stuff...."

LOL

LLR Chuck and his far far left allies are so discombobulated they can no longer offer up even modestly coherent arguments.; 6/18/19, 12:14 PM
wild chicken said...: ! I will personally write you a campaign check

Can he do that? It looks like he is a resident alien. Foreign influence?; 6/18/19, 12:24 PM
Birkel said...: Is the British guy on HBO foreign interfering?; 6/18/19, 12:25 PM
Dude1394 said...: I am not one that thinks an impeachment trial would be a good thing for trump. People continually, CONTINUALLY underestimate the power of the democrat propaganda media. The only reason Clinton’s impeachment was a positive was........you know what I am going to say.....HE WAS A DEMOCRAT.

Does anyone honestly think democrats ( and the democrat media ) will be outraged by the democrats impeaching trump? If you do you are delusional. The independents “might” be upset, but they certainly will not be influenced by the nightly outrage by the media that will not occur. But they might be influenced by the nightly affirmation that everything the democrats are accusing Trump of is true.

This is going to be a two year trump bashing. And as we have seen with the fake Russian witch-hunt, truth has no place here.; 6/18/19, 12:30 PM
Fen said...: Chuck: his weirdly moronic recitation of “high crimes AND misdemeanors”?

What? Oh that. I would say making of issue of AND vs OR is weirdly moronic.

But have fun, they say every pot has it's lid.

Does this mean you've abandoned your quest to prove Trump falsely claimed to use the Titleist Pro V1 instead of the Pro V1x? Because I thought you had a winner there.; 6/18/19, 12:30 PM
Michael K said...: he House Democrats mouth support for impeachment knowing they will never have to actually vote for it. It is the same sort of thinking behind Nadler's threats to subpoena Robert Mueller for testimony- he can safely say this because he knows he will never issue that subpoena, and he won't issue it because he knows Mueller would be a terrible witness for the Democrats.

Right on both counts. AOC could singlehandedly lose the House for them.; 6/18/19, 12:48 PM
hstad said...: ".....Blogger Caligula said...Impeachment remains a political (not a judicial) remedy. If you've got the votes and you want to do it, then you do it. So, yes, that (or anything) is "enough."

I agree, it is "political". But once that horse leaves the barn, the USA will become similar to all of the "sh*tholes" in the rest of the World.; 6/18/19, 12:51 PM
John henry said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 6/18/19, 12:52 PM
bagoh20 said...: Remember back in 2016 when Clinton and the Dems had the vapors over the idea that Trump might not accept the outcome of the election? They sure are a flexible lot.; 6/18/19, 12:55 PM
John henry said...: I see this AM that AOC is in trouble in her district.
It won't take much since she was elected by less than 10% of the voters.

Anyone want to argue the she was NOT elected as a PDJT stooge to open the seat for a Repo in 20?

It would have been hard for a Repo to beat Crowley in 20. It will be much easier to beat aoc.

John Henry; 6/18/19, 12:58 PM
John henry said...: Fen,

Re Dick and the balls:

If you asked my shoe size I would probably lie and tell you 13

I actually wear 13W

I probably should stay out of Michigan or Dick will report me for perjury!

John Henry; 6/18/19, 12:59 PM
Dude1394 said...: Hstad. The open border democrat party WANTS the US to be one of those shitholes. I mean with Venezuela happening right in our backyard, pimping out their own children, eating garbage. Not a peep when Bernie, AOC etcetera call for the end of capitalism and the inception of socialism. They know they will be extra specaial pigs.; 6/18/19, 1:00 PM
bagoh20 said...: There is something wrong with a culture that continues to reward people who are catastrophically wrong about the very subjects they get paid to talk about. Incompetence is treated like a minor head cold that just clears up, except it doesn't with some people. If you continue to listen to such people, then you should be required by the federal government to wear a dunce cap in public.; 6/18/19, 1:01 PM
John henry said...: Even if aoc does get reelected, far better for PDJT to have shit stirring, bomb throwing ignoramus as the face of the party.

Rather than a competent quiet loyal footsoldier like Crowley.

John Henry; 6/18/19, 1:04 PM
bagoh20 said...: Is anybody more often wrong than socialists? And when they are wrong, they really blow it. You could call their mistakes the worst in human history, and they win 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, with no close competition. It's their power at Universities that make higher education such a great deal....for them.; 6/18/19, 1:06 PM
bagoh20 said...: "I see this AM that AOC is in trouble in her district."

Recent poll gives her 21% approval in her own district, with a whopping 13% "would reelect". After just a couple months in office her actions have made her constituents poorer, with less jobs and tax revenue. You have to admit, she is good at what she does.; 6/18/19, 1:10 PM
ConradBibby said...: @Unknown: If Trump were impeached, the vast majority of people would see it as unjust, pointless (because the Senate would never convict), and as an assault on the very "constitutional norms" that the left claims have been placed in jeopardy by Trump. "High crimes and misdemeanors" may be undefined in the Constitution, but people generally understand the term to refer to conduct of a nature that would be prosecutable outside the context of the presidency. Here, nobody has articulated a straight-faced argument as to any actual criminal misconduct. The closest I've heard is the idea that Trump's public pronouncements to the effect that he was being unfairly railroaded -- which is just the kind of response the average person would expect from someone who really was being railroaded -- somehow constituted obstruction of justice. Sorry, but the public as a whole is never going to accept that as a fair and reasonable proposition regardless of what the media says about it. This is why only a small fraction of the Dem caucus is even nominally on board with impeachment.

Let me ask you: If the media has as much sway as you seem to think, how did Trump get elected in the first place? Events seem to have proven that the public can exercise considerable independence of thought from the media.; 6/18/19, 1:14 PM
John henry said...: My aoc as Amazon stooge theory is still operative as well.

John Henry; 6/18/19, 1:36 PM
Anonymous said...: Who watches that drivel? What psychic damage do you have to have suffered to find that funny? This has nothing to do with politics, either. I wouldn't find that funny if he told those same pathetic 'jokes' about Hillary.; 6/18/19, 1:41 PM
John henry said...: It is illegal for a non citizen to contribute to us politicians.

Why is it legal to contribute to politicians from other states.?

Why should a citizen of Georgia be permitted to give to Diane Feinstein?

John Henry; 6/18/19, 1:41 PM
Caligula said...: "I see this AM that AOC is in trouble in her district.
It won't take much since she was elected by less than 10% of the voters."

This is such a heavily Democratic district that she'll win against any Republican. The only way she'd lose would be if New York's Democratic machine (including the Working Families Party) is unable to prevent a challenger from running against her in the primary.

And (yes, it's possible) the challenger might be even nuttier than she.; 6/18/19, 1:49 PM
Chuck said...: Fen said...
Chuck...
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Does this mean you've abandoned your quest to prove Trump falsely claimed to use the Titleist Pro V1 instead of the Pro V1x? Because I thought you had a winner there.

This is the third time that I have reminded Althouse’s commenters that you have made up this bizarrely phony “Pro V1” meme and involved me in it. You sick, obsessive, deplorable freak. What are you trying to prove, on this fourth (?) attempt with such a silly falsehood? I might ask where you got this notion of an argument about Pro V1’s but the fact is I don’t care.; 6/18/19, 1:56 PM
Earnest Prole said...: Imagine being so obsessed with partisan politics that it's literally the last thing you think of before you die -- I believe that's what's known as 'a fate worse than death.'; 6/18/19, 2:05 PM
Charlie said...: "What did I just watch? I mean, is there much of an audience for that peculiar reality and equally bizarre delivery?"

I watched 5 minutes of Rachel Maddow's show last night and asked the exact same question.; 6/18/19, 2:06 PM
Fen said...: Chuck: you have made up this bizarrely phony “Pro V1” meme and involved me in it. You sick, obsessive, deplorable freak.

Are you sure? Because I distinctly remember us vigorously debating Trump's "100,000 Billion Lies" or somesuch and the Titleist V1x figured prominently into it. Why else would I bring it up?; 6/18/19, 2:42 PM
Marcus Bressler said...: AOC is not worried about losing reelection.

If she does get primaried, she'll just wind up as the latest attention whore on The View.

THEOLDMAN; 6/18/19, 2:48 PM
Fen said...: Chuck: where you got this notion of an argument about Pro V1’s but the fact is I don’t care.

So you admit that Trump wasn't lying when he claimed to use the Titleist Pro V1?

Not the Titleist Pro V1x?

Right?; 6/18/19, 2:51 PM
Fen said...: ConradBibby: If Trump were impeached-

Imagine this scenario: the House does it's thing, 24/7 hyperventilating media Bombshell! Turning Point! Walls Closing In! Tipping Point! Beginning Of The End! coverage, Dems lathered up in a frenzy (gross?) and the House impeaches him.

...and the Senate takes it up, votes to issue Trump a strongly worded letter of rebuke.

If you thought fans for Season 8 Game of Thrones over-reacted...

I would find a reason to be out in the country that week.; 6/18/19, 2:58 PM
chickelit said...: Waste of time video. Only got halfway thru.; 6/18/19, 3:08 PM
Chuck said...: Blogger Fen said...
Chuck: where you got this notion of an argument about Pro V1’s but the fact is I don’t care.

So you admit that Trump wasn't lying when he claimed to use the Titleist Pro V1?

Not the Titleist Pro V1x?

Right?

What I am saying is that I have no idea what you are talking about. And I am pointing out to other readers here that you aren’t quoting me or linking to anything that I have written. I am pointing it out to other readers, and not you, because I don’t care what you think. You’re a piece of shit.; 6/18/19, 3:39 PM
Fen said...: Chuck: You’re a piece of shit.

Why quibble? It's a simple question: do you admit that Trump wasn't lying when he claimed to use the Titleist Pro V1?

We went 10 rounds over this just last week. Now you want to pretend it never happened?

I thought we were making a connection. Now I just feel used and abandoned, like the guys over at the Bulwark. And I'm not seeing what it is they get off on.; 6/18/19, 4:01 PM
Dude1394 said...: Conradbibby. I expect that if anyone who wasn’t a walking half-dead corpse, wasn’t known to have done the things that Hillary had done and not been such a crappy person, Trump would not have won. You say that the vast majority of people would see that it would be unfair to try and impeach trump for nothing. Did the vast majority of people punish the democrats for the Russian witch hunt? Which you and I ( and the democrat propaganda media ) knew was unfair and unjust. No, they were not punished, they were given the house, so they could continue with the unfairness. Are you seeing the vast majority of people calling for the democrats to be held responsible for what the snake Nadler is doing? Nope, they and their propagandists are right there with them. All night, all day, every day.

I hope you are right, but I do not see it. Trump will win in spite of an impeachment charge, but I do not think he will gain support because of it. Hell even some of the GOP have either gotten on board or been completely silent.

He’s on his own, just him and me and millions of normal patriots.; 6/18/19, 4:41 PM
Francisco D said...: Chuckles and Inga are both back on the same day.

Coincidence?

I think not.; 6/18/19, 5:27 PM
Drago said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 6/18/19, 5:37 PM
Drago said...: Adam Schiff Cuckholster Chuck: "What I am saying is that I have no idea what you are talking about."

LOL

The inevitable Lefty-LLR Chuck go-to walkback tactic when called out on his many many (endless really) moronic and easily exposed smears!

Too funny.

Its another of Chuckies "Department of Black People" attempted history rewrites!

Chuck's rantings, just like his "brilluant" Maddow's, continue their steady qualitative decline.

Tsk tsk; 6/18/19, 5:38 PM
Drago said...: Unknown: " )Are you seeing the vast majority of people calling for the democrats to be held responsible for what the snake Nadler is doing? Nope, they and their propagandists are right there with them. All night, all day, every day."

Indeed.

Just look at our resident leftists LLR Chuck and Hoax Collusion Truther Inga.; 6/18/19, 5:40 PM
Drago said...: LLR Chuck: "This is the third time that I have reminded Althouse’s commenters that you have made up this bizarrely phony “Pro V1” meme and involved me in it."

I will remind Althouse readers that LLR Chuck ROUTINELY denies the smears and lies he has offered up previously in the rather pathetic hope that those readers will be unfamiliar with Chuck's proudly admitted purpose of lying about Trump while advances lefty/democrat narratives.

But at least our Chuck is as consistant as Jerry Nadler.....for obvious reasons.; 6/18/19, 5:45 PM
Drago said...: Francisco D: "Chuckles and Inga are both back on the same day."

Of course.

The lunatic dems are panicking and whenever the dems need help Chuck is always johnny on the spot.; 6/18/19, 5:48 PM
Fen said...: Cute, but you guys should be worried about Titleist Gate. I hear it's the tipping point, the wallks closing in, the beginning of the end for Trump.

And I suspect many of your are Titleist Pro V1x guys.

Not Titleist Pro V1 like me. You wretches!; 6/18/19, 7:53 PM
Clyde said...: Poor sad sacks. Mental illness is an ugly thing.; 6/18/19, 10:52 PM