June 26, 2019

It's about to begin: The big debate.

1. Are you interested? If so, why? Is it mainly to read Trump's tweets? I know I've been skipping all the articles on how to watch the debates and what might happen at the debates. I'm afraid it's just going to be tedious sequences of similar answers to predictable issues — we really must take climate change seriously and so forth. There will be preloaded zingers to zing. Maybe somebody will interrupt someone in a half-spontaneous way or show some unexpected charisma. But I don't expect anything interesting to happen.

2. The pulsating background is making the candidates look jittery. Maybe they are jittery, but I've got to look away because it's searing my eyeballs.

3. Beto speaks Spanish for many sentences. ADDED:

4. What was the question to Tulsi Gabbard? Please recite your bio?

5. I don't get the sideburns on Bill de Blasio... all the way to the bottom of the earlobe. Who does that? Speaking of how they look, why doesn't Beto wear the right size collar? It looks ridiculous for a man to wear a gaping collar.

6. My son John is live-blogging. Check it out. It's sure to be more substantive than anything I'm willing to do.

7. Hand-raising time. Only Warren and de Blasio raise their hand for who wants to abolish all private health insurance.

8. Whoa! The moderators lost control. De Blasio takes over and badgers Beto about private health insurance. Why would Beto defend something that's not working?, de Blasio asks, smirking.

9. Beto needs a new toupee. The natural hair has gone grayer, making the real/fake line obvious.

10. First time anyone ever said "piss" in an American presidential debate. Julian Castro declared himself "pissed off" (about our treatment of immigrants).

11. Booker is copying Beto, speaking whole sentences in Spanish.

10. Booker called Julian Castro "Jose"!

11. Trump weighs in with one word:

12. They switch over to new moderators — Rachel Maddow and Chuck Todd — but then they have a major microphone snafu. They had to go to another break, and I turned it off. I've got it on the DVR, but I don't know. There's already some sleeping going on here.

328 comments:

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WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Hillary is up at 3AM due to her incontinence and the time zone differential in countries that owe the foundation money.

Humperdink said...

Has Amy K ever smiled?

Drago said...

David Begley: "Hey, Cory. Move!"

Cory gets disoriented when he's surrounded by so many beautiful women cuz he is a "playa"!

Wink wink

narciso said...

They forget they aren't at a caucus, they're at a debate to get even undecideds

J. Farmer said...

Then be articulate, J Farmer, and say it was released by Europeans

The majority of the money was actually held in China, Japan, and South Korea. Some was India. Some was in Turkey. And was some was in Europe.

after Obama told them it was ok.

After the US, UK, France, Germany, Russia, and China negotiated an agreement in which unfreezing of the assets was a negotiated term. Given that the assets were frozen in the first place to compel Iran to the negotiating table, any agreement would have unfroze that money. And that was only money frozen by nuclear sanctions. Other freezes on Iranian assets for other reasons remained in place.

What about the pallets of bills?

Another matter all together. Still not much to get worked up about. That was the settlement of a claim that had been brought before the US-Iran Claims Tribunal in The Hague.

David Begley said...

Amy: Public policy set by teenagers. Perfect!

Drago said...

Farmer: "Another matter all together. Still not much to get worked up about."

Currency perfectly arranged for rapud and untraceable distribution to terrorist groups world wide.

But no biggee cuz they mostly target Israelis.

J. Farmer said...

Anybody still playing a drinking game or is everybody blotto?

Not quite but getting there. My pitcher is half empty, and I've just been informed there is no more Hendrick's in the house :'-(

Darkisland said...

Thanks F.

I promised my wife I would watch with her but could only stand about 15 minutes. So I only heard Bobby's first Spanish comments.

I was not surprised to hear that he is is as full of shit when speaking Spanish as when speaking English.

John Henry

Bay Area Guy said...

I've moved on to smoking crack.

Mark said...

How safe is Newark, Spartacus?

J. Farmer said...

But no biggee cuz they mostly target Israelis.

As opposed to our good buddies the Saudis, who only use their money and influence in the region to help create ISIS and empower Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.

David Begley said...

None of these loons can beat Trump.

Birkel said...

Bay Area Guy bogartin' the crack again, y'all.

narciso said...

Hes living in Georgetown right?

Darkisland said...

I kind of like the idea that PDJT had everyone flummoxed with the idea of live tweeting the event. The moderators must have devoted 5 minutes to talking about how he is on a plane but the communications are great yadda, yadda, yadda. First debate for this to happen. Puts an unfair burden, more yadda, yadda.

Then PDJT says, I'm on a plane, got better things to do, here are some minions to follow who may tweet some stuff.

I love the guy.

John Henry

Tina Trent said...

None of us noticed abortions for transgender men.

Because it's mundane now?

walter said...

Humperdink said...
Has Amy K ever smiled?
--
When that stapler makes solid contact..

FTW:
Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

BORING!

Birkel said...
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Lucien said...

Here’s a question for the panel: “ Would you support a statute that required members of Congress to use the same health care system that they impose on the American people?”

Birkel said...

I want the Iranians led by its more moderate citizens.
The Mullahs can all go die in a fire.

I've seen the pictures of Beirut from the 1960s.
A whole helluva lot of Soviet influence created disaster.

Bay Area Guy said...

This debate is pointless. You could stimulate more brain cells by watching old re-runs of "Hee-Haw"

Mark said...

Dude has looked like he wants to punch someone out.

David Begley said...

Tulsi winning the Drudge poll.

walter said...

What is the audio snafu?

Tina Trent said...

And speaking of abortions for transgender men, there's Julio Castro. So dumb he made HUD look smart.

Ryan just conflated "elitist" and "illegal." Elitgal.

Bay Area Guy said...

This continues tomorrow night? Oh.My.God.

J. Farmer said...

Let's ban guns! It worked so well for drugs.

J. Farmer said...

Tulsi winning the Drudge poll.

Anti-interventionism is quite popular on the right. Coulter and Carlson have both come over to our side on the issue.

Mark said...

Trans-Americans?

Is Spartacus talking about illegal immigrants? People assigned as foreign nationals at birth who believe themselves to be U.S. citizens?

Diogenes of Sinope said...

There is nothing here that is going to swing the middle class in swing states.

Bilwick said...

I'm spared even the temptation to tune in because the debate is being carried by NBC, which has, as is its habit, once again dropped off the rotation of available channels on my non-cable tv. But I have the feeling all I'm missing is "Free stuff! Getcher free stuff here!" Or as someone on the Vodkapundit blog (which is drunkblogging the debate) commented: "My free stuff is better than your free stuff!"

Mencken predicted it: elections becoming an auction of stolen goods, held before the fact.

wildswan said...

Go over to Drudge and vote for Bald Guy, John Delaney. Get him ahead of Pocahontas.

J. Farmer said...

Is there a more annoying political campaign trope than when a candidate tells some (probably bullshit) story about having a conversation with someone in Bumfuck, Idaho?

narciso said...

The swong has choked itself.

Birkel said...

I will support a foreign intervention when I am confident Democratics will not force the United States to lose.
I think the last one was WWII.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

I want the Iranians led by its more moderate citizens.
The Mullahs can all go die in a fire.


This.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

J Farmer @ 9:36

No

But close behind is.... OLIGARCHS AND BILLIONAIRES!

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

If you put a gun to my head and I had to vote in the Dem primary, I guess it would be Amy.

...I guess I would be aiming.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Here’s a question for the panel: “ Would you support a statute that required members of Congress to use the same health care system that they impose on the American people?”


lol - NBC would NEVER.

Birkel said...

I would tell the military to kill people, break things, and make the rubble bounce.
No nation building.

J. Farmer said...

I want the Iranians led by its more moderate citizens.
The Mullahs can all go die in a fire.


Yes, it would be nice if countries were not ruled by liberty-denying autocrats. So what?

Birkel said...

Fuck off with your so what.
How about that?

Or are aspirations for other people beyond you, Smug?

J. Farmer said...

But close behind is.... OLIGARCHS AND BILLIONAIRES!

I'm all for bashing billionaires and oligarchs. They're the lifeblood of the Establishment. The neoliberal policies that have been hollowing America out for decades has been great the billionaires and oligarchs. That's why they are fighting tooth and nail to prevent those policies from changing.

Tomcc said...

Not watching, but turned it on for a few minutes. Man these people are buffoons! I miss the temperament of politicians like Alan Simpson.

J. Farmer said...

Fuck off with your so what.
How about that?


Fair enough.

Or are aspirations for other people beyond you, Smug?

They're not beyond me, they're just beside the point. I wish it for the Iranians and for the North Koreans and for the Chinese and for the Egyptians. But since I am not an Iranian, a North Korean, a Chinese, or en Egyptian, there isn't much I can do for them. Just like there isn't anything they can do for me when it comes to addressing the problems of my country.

Mark said...

Common sense answer.

Maddow: Your time is up.

narciso said...

Steyer Soros Zuckerberg brin cook, well they aren't allowed to be tatgets.

Humperdink said...

Delaney has no chance. Go home. Too boring and more importantly, too white.

Birkel said...

I wish Smug could be released from the gravity of his own orbit.
Fucking singularity of Smug.

Drago said...

Klobuchar: "If billionaires can pay off their yachts, students should be able to pay off their loans."

Yikes.

walter said...

"Yes, it would be nice if countries were not ruled by liberty-denying autocrats."
Yep. That's the extent of it.
Yep.

Drago said...

Klobuchar: "If billionaires can pay off their yachts, students should be able to pay off their loans."

Remember when John Kerry parked his yacht in RI to avoid taxes?

narciso said...

Holy nonsequitor batman

J. Farmer said...

I wish Smug could be released from the gravity of his own orbit.
Fucking singularity of Smug.


Right. We should show the Iranians how much we support them by blowing them up and getting tens of thousands of them killed. Remember people, those are freedom bombs. Or if that's a step too far, we'll just economically strangle them. Just ignore the last 20 years of violently overthrowing regimes and then watching as chaos and anarchy fill the void. This time it's going to be totally different.

Mark said...

Remember when John Kerry asked, "Can I get me a huntin' license here?"?

J. Farmer said...

@walter:

Yep. That's the extent of it.
Yep.


You should stand outside of a Walmart and scold the patrons for putting money in the hands of China's autocrats. My view is the same as John Quincy Adams: "She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own."

Drago said...

Cory Booker: "Democrats needs to talk more about African American trans issues."

Severely heterosexual.

Severely.

And LLR Chuck fave Kurt Eichenwald is not really into tentacle porn.

At all.

For realz you guys.

J. Farmer said...

Remember when John Kerry asked, "Can I get me a huntin' license here?"?

Oy. John Kerry's duck hunting photo op was the most embarrassing since Dukakis sat in the tank.

p.s. Okay, Marco Rubio in the big chair was really the most embarrassing, but you get my point

Drago said...

Farmer: "Right. We should show the Iranians how much we support them by blowing them up and getting tens of thousands of them killed."

Sooooo, our options are limited to give them whatever they want and killing tens of thousands of them.

Seems unnecessarily self-limiting.

F said...

Readers who missed this debate are surely asking the really important question, which I will now answer:

No, Robert Francis O'Rourke did not jump up on the podium!

Other than that, there was not a single insight that came out of this so-called debate. Not. a. single. insight.

narciso said...

Except which shrink should best attend them.

Drago said...

Farmer: "p.s. Okay, Marco Rubio in the big chair was really the most embarrassing, but you get my point"

No way.

The Reagan Media team commercial showing Alfred E Neuman in the helmet, first at a distance then coming closer into a final frame close up with idiot smile all the while a scrolling list of military armaments and programs explicitly opposed by Dukakis rolled on screen was devastating.

Ill bet LLR Chuck cried for a week.

J. Farmer said...

Sooooo, our options are limited to give them whatever they want and killing tens of thousands of them.

Well it does seem a bit rich for our hearts to bleed for the Iranians while we are simultaneously supporting and lauding an absolute monarch who receives legitimacy from a Salafist priestly case, is thoroughly corrupt, massively oppresses his people, and empowers radical salafist groups in places like Syria and Yemen.

Seems unnecessarily self-limiting.

It seems you are responsible for that false dichotomy. I said we shouldn't try to overthrow their government. That doesn't therefor imply that we should "give them whatever they want."

walter said...

Nice deflection Farmer.

narciso said...

And if you let the Houthis win, what do you think will happen in the kingdom?

Mark said...

Julian Castro saying that trans-women have a right to abortion was pretty amusing. Except that, as Mrs. Garrison found out, trans-women cannot get pregnant (because they are men).

Way to have your virtue-signaling blow up in your face.

walter said...

I can't wait to hear your take on Trump alternative Berno tomorrow.
Maybe a tech will mute his mic out of mercy.

Drago said...

Farmer: "It seems you are responsible for that false dichotomy. I said we shouldn't try to overthrow their government."

As you were characterizing Birkels position as being pro-whack tens of thousands.

Physician heal thyself.

The good news is that there is significant agreement across all to cease these never ending wars.

The art of the possible.

J. Farmer said...

The Reagan Media team commercial showing Alfred E Neuman in the helmet, first at a distance then coming closer into a final frame close up with idiot smile all the while a scrolling list of military armaments and programs explicitly opposed by Dukakis rolled on screen was devastating.

Okay, I'll grant that. But for Rubio, after already trying to shake the moniker of "Little Rubio," to jump on a giant over sized chair was a monumentally stupid decision.

Birkel said...

J Farmer,
Find one fucking word suggesting I want to bomb Iran.
You're a liar on top of Smug.

Drago said...

Farmer: "okay, I'll grant that. But for Rubio, after already trying to shake the moniker of "Little Rubio," to jump on a giant over sized chair was a monumentally stupid decision."

Point of agreement.

The fact that both Rubio and Dukakus candidate stepped into scenarios which seemed tailor-made to exploit their already established weaknesses/branding called out by their opponents is the key point.

Communications Force Multipliers.

narciso said...

The problem with Iraq was the fist of the regime plus Saudi stragglers inspired by al hawali and awdah and iranian militia all teamed up against us.

mockturtle said...

I'll be watching with a pre-made pitcher of gin and tonic. My husband* is in the other room reading but already knows he will have to deal with me screaming at the TV at random moments. The only candidate on this stage I have any real interest in is Tulsi Gabbard. Tomorrow will be more interesting. I want to see how Andrew Yang fares.

*Not really since we aren't married, but I'm getting tired of saying "partner" and "boyfriend" sounds ridiculous with someone you've lived with for almost 10 years. So there you have it.


Farmer, I'm also interested in what Tulsi has to say. Maybe she is a potential future candidate for common sense, maybe not. I don't have electricity much less TV were I am in Alaska so I'm depending on you to fill us in. Promise?

BTW, I agree that 'partner' is ambiguous. One doesn't know if it's an intimate partner or a business partner.

Birkel said...

Lily Tomlin is the only person who should ever sit in an outrageously oversized chair.

Churchy LaFemme: said...

And That's The Truth!

J. Farmer said...

@Birkel:

You're a liar on top of Smug.

Not quite. I'm not a liar, but I did make a mistake, and I apologize for it. I read your statement "I would tell the military to kill people, break things, and make the
rubble bounce. No nation-building," after the one about the Mullahs. I did not see your sentence about WWII, which I now see you were likely referring to.

Again, apologies for the error.

But I do want to ask a simple question, since you brought the issue up. As for the "aspirations for other people," what precisely do you want the US government to do for foreign peoples living under autocratic conditions?

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

At 39, I've been noticing with some alarm, Nora Ephron-style, dramatic changes to my neck. I am not vain (I don't wear makeup and am usually too lazy for even my Olay 7-in-1 goop) but I do look fairly young for my age except for my stupid-ass neck giving me away. I just googled Tulsi Gabbard to see if she's as hot as everyone talks about her being and I'm delighted to see that she has age creases in her neck too. Hang tight, Tulsi, you and I both still got it.

walter said...

There is the somewhat clinical sounding "significant other".
But I think Farmer should opt for the more folksy "main squeeze".

Birkel said...

City on a shining hill.
Export quality goods.
Produce culture that positively influences people worldwide.

Get out of your own fucking head, Smug.

Marc in Eugene said...

Am listening to Handel's Esther, the 1718 version, and resolving to begin abstaining from presidential elections politics until the conventions-- after I read some of the comments here. Well, and tomorrow night's. I saw on Twitter that there was a 'technical glitch' of some sort & that Mr Trump took the opportunity to remark on the obvious fakeness of the news sites, so it isn't/wasn't all boring.

Birkel said...

And if you're trying to put my comments together, you're playing the game wrong.
My comments stand alone.
Half are jokes.
Half are pop culture references.
Half are busting chops.
And the other half are me amusing me.

J. Farmer said...

There is the somewhat clinical sounding "significant other".
But I think Farmer should opt for the more folksy "main squeeze".


I'm just going to stick with husband. I've never seen much point to getting married unless you plan to have children or have them already. But since making the decision to go down the child route, marriage is necessary. And coming up.

narciso said...

It wasn't the best makeup routine for her. Maybe she wanted to downplay her looks

J. Farmer said...

Get out of your own fucking head, Smug.

You beat me on this one, Birkel. At least allow me to leave with some dignity :)

Half are jokes.
Half are pop culture references.
Half are busting chops.
And the other half are me amusing me.


If I'm doing the math correctly, that's 200% of your comments.

David Begley said...

Pants:

If you are single and look anything like Tulsi, let’s get married. I will first, however, have to undergo the Maya mph test. I’ll pass.

Birkel said...

Your math is ok.
That was me amusing me.

narciso said...

Right was there no pick of maya, from that earlier thread?

Ken B said...

Farmer
What do you mean by “our side”? I am just trying to clarify. I see you as a Ron Paul rightist, minus the economic liberty.

PS.
Would you have voted against war with Japan the way that one woman did?

William said...

Tulsi is good looking, but good looks don't seem to work for female candidates. In the political arena, they work better for men. I guess in all other human endeavors, good looks work better for women, but not in politics. The only thing Beto has going for him is his looks, but it has given him a leg up in the race. Tulsi has a more accomplished resume than Beto, but she has gotten nowhere near the same amount of attention....Delaney seemed to have some sane impulses. He doesn't stand a chance....DeBlasio was the most obnoxious. Even more grating than Warren. It can be done....Booker is kind of phony but in a likable way. Booker, Delaney, and Tulsi can proceed to the next debate without inspiring intense loathing on this part of the American electorate.

J. Farmer said...

That was me amusing me.

Ditto.

It wasn't the best makeup routine for her. Maybe she wanted to downplay her looks

She does seem to have pretty bard pockmarks on both cheeks, which usually means a bad case of acne as a teenager. Or perhaps she had a bad case of chickenpox. In any event, those can be notoriously difficult to cover with makeup and are visible in most of the photos of appearances versus photographs that have been airbrushed.

Jupiter said...

"we really must take climate change seriously"

What would it mean to "take climate change seriously"? Threaten the Chinese and the Indians with thermonuclear destruction if they don't unilaterally destroy their economies?

J. Farmer said...

@Ken B:

What do you mean by “our side”? I am just trying to clarify. I see you as a Ron Paul rightist, minus the economic liberty.

The anti-interventionist right. I would certainly count Ron Paul as part of the anti-interventionist right, but he's also a libertarian. I am not.

PS.Would you have voted against war with Japan the way that one woman did?

Well, Jeannette Rankin was a pacifist. I am not. I most probably would have voted for war with Japan at that time, though I do recognize that FDR pursued a lot of foolish policies against Japan that contributed to tensions and helped escalate the conflict. I don't believe the conspiracists who said that FDR knew about the attack ahead of time and let it happen for political reasons, but I can see why conspiracy-minded people would be attracted to that conclusion.

Darkisland said...

Blogger Mark said...
Julian Castro saying that trans-women have a right to abortion was pretty amusing. Except that, as Mrs. Garrison found out, trans-women cannot get pregnant (because they are men).

Way to have your virtue-signaling blow up in your face.


Actually I do not see the fault in the logic there. Trans-women (I think this means men who pretend to be women but I think it could equally men women who pretend to be men) have exactly the same rights as normal women, and men. Our bodies, our choice. Should I, as an over the hill cis-normal male ever have need of an abortion, I have as much right to one as the cis-normal woman.

The difference is in the odds of needing one. Not in our rights to reproductive healthcare/baby murder.

John Henry

Bay Area Guy said...

"Pants:

If you are single and look anything like Tulsi, let’s get married. I will first, however, have to undergo the Maya mph test. I’ll pass."

Hey, it worked for Meade!

Go Begley!

William said...

I don't think we got anything much out of our involvement in Afghanistan, but a generation of women there were allowed to receive an education because of us. Why doesn't that factor into the equation so far as feminists are concerned? Perhaps if we opened up some Planned Parenthood facilities there, women would be more supportive of our involvement....I wonder if SNL will make fun of Castro's passionate call for abortion facilities for the transgendered. That was an extremely stupid statement.

walter said...

This kind of live event video format is generally the least manipulated in terms of image.
No gauzy treatment seen in controlled commercials.
Multiple angles/points of focus make it pretty difficult to sugar coat via lighting.

Drago said...

Farmer: "I most probably would have voted for war with Japan at that time, ..."

Irrelevant.

Japan had already "voted for war" and once 1 party does that the war is on whether or not the 2nd party declares war or not.

Drago said...

William: "Why doesn't that factor into the equation so far as feminists are concerned?"

The wrong types would get credit.

walter said...

So far, I'm loving our LLR's reflections on the opposition.

Bay Area Guy said...

Were there any references to Mueller or imeachment? I don't recall any.

J. Farmer said...

Irrelevant.

Well, the relevance is that I was asked the question specifically.

narciso said...

Yes Delaney looks like character actor John fiedler from star trek among other films

narciso said...

There were some questions about indicting after he leaves office in the last 10 minutes

mockturtle said...

William asserts: The only thing Beto has going for him is his looks

Eeeeeuuuuwwww!

J. Farmer said...

Yes Delaney looks like character actor John fiedler from star trek among other films

Never watched the original Star Trek, but I loved Fiedler on The Bob Newhart Show, though Jack Riley's Mr. Carlin was my favorite character.

chickelit said...

Julián Castro should be the first to drop out. He's utterly ridiculous. It's blatantly obvious that he doesn't represent the interests of North Americans.

David Duffy said...

I didn't watch, but I did appreciate the comments here. I'm glad I have a lot to do tomorrow and won't have time to listen to Rush's take on the debates or the usual, everything is about being gay homosexuals I listen to most every morning on NPR during my morning commute.

I'm sure it will become more interesting as time goes on.

walter said...

narciso said...
There were some questions about indicting after he leaves office in the last 10 minutes
--
Seems Rather Schiffless.

chickelit said...

Blogger I Have Misplaced My Pants said...At 39, I've been noticing with some alarm, Nora Ephron-style, dramatic changes to my neck. I am not vain (I don't wear makeup and am usually too lazy for even my Olay 7-in-1 goop) but I do look fairly young for my age except for my stupid-ass neck giving me away. I just googled Tulsi Gabbard to see if she's as hot as everyone talks about her being and I'm delighted to see that she has age creases in her neck too. Hang tight, Tulsi, you and I both still got it.

I was disappointed that neither of the female candidates showed what Chines women refer as a “career line.” Perhaps Kamala will bust loose tomorrow.

LA_Bob said...

I did watch, and I thought the format was awful.

With this many candidates, they didn't need moderators. Chuck and Rachel and the others were just distractions.

I thought the last question -- why you want to be president -- with each candidate speaking for 45 seconds was the most useful part of the show.

There were roughly 100 minutes of debate time available. That's ten minutes per candidate. I say break that time into a two round-robins of five minutes each, and let each candidate speak uninterrupted about what they think is important and why. How they handle that time would be more enlightening than hearing them suck up to the moderators.

After awhile the field will shrink, and the survivors can start debating each other, again without moderators.

Finally, Trump can stomp all over the Last Man (Woman?) Standing, and we can be done with this spectacle.

chickelit said...

Forget it: no female candidate is going to put her career on the line with a “career line.”

But if penis size was an OK place to go — even by inference — by Marco Rubio in 2016, why can’t breast size be a factor too?

walter said...

Rubio's short...lived time as a snarky comedian.

Bruce Hayden said...

“But if penis size was an OK place to go — even by inference — by Marco Rubio in 2016, why can’t breast size be a factor too?”

Because for many, probably most, guys, it is the ratio that is important, essentially 3:2:3 is optimal.

Gahrie said...

Not really since we aren't married, but I'm getting tired of saying "partner" and "boyfriend" sounds ridiculous with someone you've lived with for almost 10 years. So there you have it.

Depending on where you live, you might already be married under common law.

Humperdink said...

Having watched most of the debate, who stood out for me was ..... absolutely no one.

Speaking in Spanish? Good grief. Castro does not have a good look. I thought Beto's hands were cuffed until I realized his flailing extremities were out of camera view. No one smiled that I could recall. Lizzy Warren maintained her certification as your worst nightmare as your kid's 3rd grade teacher. Delaney was a dud. Ryan also. Spartacus looked wild and crazy. I am guessing that's his normal demeanor. DeBlasio has the perpetual snark look. And he has a black kid! That should count for something!!

If the candidates could vote for abortion before conception they would. They tried out abortion each other, but alas, there is a limit even for that.

Normal comedians would have a field day with this cluster, but they won't. Unless they have been give marching orders by the elite to harpoon a potential problem child.

Danno said...

Blogger Birkel said...Alan Greenspan did all his best work in a hot bath. Not sure which way that augurs.

Mayor Pete Buttplug does all his best work in a hot bath. Not sure which way that augers.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

J Farmer
"I'm all for bashing billionaires and oligarchs.

Well, then where does the bashing go next? Once one group is defeated and brought to its knees, on to the next manufactured villain.

In leftwing totalitarian land, YOU might be next.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

btw- I'd like to know who these Oligarchs are?

Who are they? George Soros? Is he an oligarch?

chickelit said...

Bruce Hayden said...Because for many, probably most, guys, it is the ratio that is important, essentially 3:2:3 is optimal.

Just don't hold up that ideal up against Michelle, if she runs. Or Hillary.

J. Farmer said...

@BleachBit-and-Hammers:

Well, then where does the bashing go next? Once one group is defeated and brought to its knees, on to the next manufactured villain.

Except I don't consider them manufactured villains. I consider them villains. They have rigged the system in their favor at the expense of the so called "little guy," and they are doing everything in their power to prevent any meaningful change to the status quo. Why on earth would you not want to bash that?

mockturtle said...

So, Farmer, instead of bashing them, why not bash the Deep State system that fosters these abuses?

Birkel said...

Because the rich guys paid for the rules that makes the two-tiered -- that we currently have -- possible?

Because regulatory capture favors the powers that be in business and politics, to common folks' detriment?

J. Farmer said...

@mockturtle:

So, Farmer, instead of bashing them, why not bash the Deep State system that fosters these abuses?

Why make it an either/or proposition? There's plenty of bad going around to bash.

mockturtle said...

Why make it an either/or proposition? There's plenty of bad going around to bash.

Well, it's your prerogative to bash whomever you wish, of course. But the system that Sarah Palin, et al, have called 'crony Capitalism' is the problem and, while we can elect legislators we cannot elect CEOs.

mockturtle said...

And I admit to wanting--very badly!--to bash Google executives.

J. Farmer said...

@mockturtle:

Well, it's your prerogative to bash whomever you wish, of course. But the system that Sarah Palin, et al, have called 'crony Capitalism' is the problem and, while we can elect legislators we cannot elect CEOs.

We certainly cannot elect them, but we can point out when they use their money, power, and influence to game the system in their favor at the expense of others with much less money, power, and influence. In fact, not only can we point it out, we can bash them for it. Here is a good example of Tucker Carlson doing just that. Considering what's happened in places like Pennsylvania and Michigan and Ohio, I find it very difficult to muster much sympathy for the ultra-rich.

Fen said...

"Common sense gun control"

Funny how the people who use this phrase imply they are familiar enough with Firearms to have gained some wisdom, and yet they still can't tell the difference between a clip and a magazine.

I now use the phrase as a tell that is Speaker has no idea what they are talking about regarding firearms.

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