June 18, 2019

Coming soon... the live-stream of Trump's Orlando rally, where he's expected to announce that he's running for reelection.



It starts in about half an hour, but you can watch the live stream and listen to the music. As I was writing this post, the music was the old Rolling Stones come-on, "Let's Spend the Night Together" ("I've satisfied your every need/And now I know you will satisfy me..." (so apt!)).

163 comments:

traditionalguy said...

Junior warmed up the crowd. One good line threw in G_d Damn referring to the Dems. Can’t wait to see the MSM run it over and over thinking it will alienate the Evangelicals. Little do they know God damns his enemies all the time.

J. Farmer said...

I’ve never watched a single one of these so don’t see any reason to start now. Plus I find it odd to treat politicians like rock stars.

Inga...Allie Oop said...
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Inga...Allie Oop said...

“The end is near” and he “faces his final curtain...”


Hahahaha, good lyrics.

wildswan said...

So, came back from shopping, poured some wine and looked for the rally. And here it is. TRUMP 2020

v.

Bernie the Commie: https://vtdigger.org/2019/01/31/sanders-shirtless-vodka-video-1988-soviet-trip-goes-viral/

Hillary - on the deplorables https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZHp4JLWjNw

Inga...Allie Oop said...

Oh wow, where is Darth Vader...great music.

wildswan said...

The reason to watch it is that Trump is going to set out his themes = although if the situation changes he'll change to meet it.

J. Farmer said...

The reason to watch it is that Trump is going to set out his themes = although if the situation changes he'll change to meet it.

I'm sure they'll come up again in the 17 months before the next election.

harrogate said...

So cute, so *interesting*, “so apt!”, when Nazi trash invokes classic rock for their campaign.

Darrell said...

Let's not forget that fifty people came out to hear Mayor Pete.

Drago said...

Its fun watching Inga struggle in vain to be clever and effective all by her little lonesome in real time.

But that will never work for our little cut and paster, so she is forced to rely on her own "wits".

The results are self-evident!

LOL!!

J. Farmer said...

@harrogate:

So cute, so *interesting*, “so apt!”, when Nazi trash invokes classic rock for their campaign.

This has to be satire. Otherwise, Trump's greatest strength is the abject stupidity of so much of his opposition.

Drago said...

harrogate goes Full Godwin in the first 5 minutes!!

Those lefties and LLR-lefties really hate it when Americans of all races are working in record numbers.....hmmmmmmm

Drago said...

After a Full Godwin, where do our treasonous commie foreign collusionists go for their next insult?

h said...

Who will join me (and I assume AOC) in petitioning the World Criminal Court to find Presidents Trump and Obama guilty of war crimes for setting up and operating concentration camps.

J. Farmer said...

Not that any reasonable person requires it, but I might as well link to Mickey Kaus' concise rebuttal to the Trump=Hitler nonsense.

Drago said...

Meanwhile in lefty/LLR-lefty paradise Venezuela the people are robbing graves.

Why not?

In lefty land the dead also vote in record numbers.

JaimeRoberto said...

I would go to one of his rallies to see it with own eyes and compare it to the media coverage.

Tank said...

J. Farmer said...

I’ve never watched a single one of these so don’t see any reason to start now. Plus I find it odd to treat politicians like rock stars.


Why watch? Fun !!! It's entertainment.

J. Farmer said...

I would go to one of his rallies to see it with own eyes and compare it to the media coverage.

I generally prefer to just ignore both.

h said...

Who will join me (and I assume AOC) in petitioning the World Criminal Court to find Presidents Trump and Obama guilty of war crimes for setting up and operating concentration camps.

traditionalguy said...

Keep on Trumping. What people like about Trump Rallies is the exchange of love between Trump and his Deplorables. It is addictive.

J. Farmer said...

@Tank:

Why watch? Fun !!! It's entertainment.

I will grant that Trump is more entertaining than most politicians, but the idea of having to sit through a political rally sounds like a nightmare to me. Ditto to the State of the Union.

Humperdink said...

RE:Godwin's Law: Per wiki:".... there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that, when a Hitler comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever made the comparison loses whatever debate is in progress.

harrogate wins .... er .... loses the prize.

traditionalguy said...

Melanie started it off with love.

J. Farmer said...

@traditionalguy:

Keep on Trumping. What people like about Trump Rallies is the exchange of love between Trump and his Deplorables. It is addictive.

Loving someone you don't know is precisely what I find so bizarre. It's a celebrity/showbiz attitude towards politicians that I don't think is healthy to indulge.

Drago said...

Farmer: "Loving someone you don't know is precisely what I find so bizarre."

Then the rationale for LLR Chuck's passionate emotional attachment to all
leftist dems will forever elude you.

J. Farmer said...

@Drago:

Then the rationale for LLR Chuck's passionate emotional attachment to all
leftist dems will forever elude you.


Indeed it does. Anyone's "emotional attachment" to any politician "will forever elude" me.

Drago said...

I wonder if seeing that many republicans in one place supporting the most conservative President in our lifetimes will cause LLR Chuck to seriously self-medicate.

Jersey Fled said...

Rush reported that there were 5 or 6 people at the Impeach Trump rally in Naples FL yesterday. All older and all white.

traditionalguy said...

J Farmer...you don’t trust strangers. Trump has been an open book communicator for over 4 years now until many do know him. Now the time has come to risk it. What do you have to lose?

Michael K said...

Plus I find it odd to treat politicians like rock stars.

I do, too. Jack Kennedy started it. Nixon was the far better candidate and proved it later but he was fatally hurt by 1960 and did not understand what had changed. He was all about doing business and did not understand the entertainment aspect of politics. Nixon would have understood and approved of Fillipo Maria Visconti, Duke of Milan.

J. Farmer said...

@traditionalguy:

Trump has been an open book communicator for over 4 years now until many do know him.

I don't believe I can know someone I have never met and never had a conversation with, however much of an "open book" they are. It's why the celebrity comparison is apt. Many celebrities have been in the public eye for decades, submitted to hundreds if not thousands of interviews, have a let it all hang out style, and participate heavily in social media. Nonetheless, I would never say I "know" any of them.

What do you have to lose?

Nothing. It's just an observation. If other people get something out of it, more power to them. But it's not an impulse that I vibe with.

gilbar said...

The WSJ has started calling Liz Warren our new adlai stevenson
https://www.wsj.com/articles/elizabeth-warren-may-be-the-new-adlai-stevenson-11560897169

Fen said...

Farmer: I generally prefer to just ignore both.

Cold water again? Interesting.

I'm starting to remember you as that Republican guy who gaslights us about everything, tells us important stories are not that big a deal, always seems to be giving me the diet version of Rachel Maddow.

Fen said...

Gotta say I'm really impressed with the job he's done. I expected a Moderate Dem administration, climate change agenda too, and was willing to bite the bullet if it meant Hillary would not seize power.

I remember Reagan, and it feels like blasphemy, but I think Trump is just as great but in different ways. Different time, different age.

Birkel said...

I like the policies. I like lower taxation. I like fewer regulations. I like closing the NAFTA loopholes. I like negotiating bilateral trade agreements with Japan, South Korea, and the rest. I like lower unemployment and 3% GDP growth. I like any plan to reduce illegal immigration that has a chance to actually, you know, work.

I'm not so big on Trump rallies except to the extent they are effective tools to support the policies.

traditionalguy said...

@J Farmer...We have never met, but I love and trust you. Humans never fail to surprise me, but I know the Good ones when I see them. That comes from seeing them react to others, in context . People become easy to read as we get older and figure out our experiences gathered by taking chances on people.

Birkel said...

Oh, and the conservative judges and Justices.
Overwhelming the circuits with 35-40 year old conservatives is tremendous.

Drago said...

Birkel: "I'm not so big on Trump rallies except to the extent they are effective tools to support the policies."

The rallies are absolutely necessary. For decades the republican base has been attacked relentlessly across the media spectrum and across all institutions.

The LLR-left gleefully joined with the anti-American left (now the vast majority of all dems) to advance and defend this attack on the republican base in order to fundamentally alter our nation and morph it into a leftist "paradise".

The rallies serve as a beacon to the base that they are not alone and gives them hope and motivates them to keep fighting against the socialist left and LLR-leftists.

Darrell said...

I like lower taxation. I like fewer regulations. . .

The Democrats have already said that they will reverse all these changes. And yet people think they are still contenders--without the vote fraud they bring.

Birkel said...

Donald Trump is undoubtedly the best stage presence I've ever seen outside of church services.
He commands a room unlike any person I've ever witnessed.

And he calls for support for others and promotes their elections.
He has coattails.

Whether J Farmer deigns to understand it or stands Smug in his ignorance, Trump connects to people in a way only Barack Obama can rival in my lifetime. And Trump does it with the press in opposition, unlike Obama. He ain't a Bush, Dole, Bush McCain, or Romney. Voter enthusiasm won't be a problem.

Drago said...

The rallies also serve another key purpose: bypass LLR Chucks beloved far left media to tout the many accomplishments that have been achieved that will never get air time thru the lefty and fake conservative LLR media.

Rosa Marie Yoder said...

God bless Sarah Huckabee Sanders.

traditionalguy said...

Sarah Sanders made me cry. Courage under pressure personified.

n.n said...

there were 5 or 6 people at the Impeach Trump rally

Peaches are out of season. Oranges are still a good choice.

Drago said...

Sarah Sanders has more courage and dignity and integrity in her pinky than the entire left and LLR Smear Merchants have in their entire collective bodies.

n.n said...
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n.n said...

God bless Sarah Huckabee Sanders.

A role model for the People, and our Posterity, too.

Merny11 said...

I respect and admire Sarah. Even more so since she has decided her family need to be her focus. Total class act.

J. Farmer said...

@Fen:

I'm starting to remember you as that Republican guy who gaslights us about everything, tells us important stories are not that big a deal, always seems to be giving me the diet version of Rachel Maddow.

1) I'm not a Republican
2) If I'm trying to gaslight, I'm doing a very poor job with statements like, "If other people get something out of it, more power to them."
3) If you consider a paleocon ethno-nationalist to be a "diet version of Rachel Maddow," I'm not sure what more I could say to disabuse you of that notion.
4) It is true that I do not consider a rally 17 months before the election an "important story."

Mr Wibble said...

Donald Trump is undoubtedly the best stage presence I've ever seen outside of church services.
He commands a room unlike any person I've ever witnessed.

And he calls for support for others and promotes their elections.
He has coattails.


Trump has really developed his public speaking ability and he has a very well-honed ability to read the audience. I'd say he's as good a politician as Clinton.

J. Farmer said...

@traditionalguy:

@J Farmer...We have never met, but I love and trust you.

I certainly appreciate the sentiment, and I am sorry to say that I do not reciprocate. But the idea of loving and trusting someone I don't really know is constitutionally impossible for me. Perhaps it's a byproduct of my profession. Jerry Sandusky was considered a pillar of the community while simultaneously being a committed child rapist.

J. Farmer said...

@Birkel:

Whether J Farmer deigns to understand it or stands Smug in his ignorance, Trump connects to people in a way only Barack Obama can rival in my lifetime.

I may be able to understand it but certainly cannot empathize with it. I generally do not find it a good idea to treat politicians (who have power over me) with love and admiration. I prefer skepticism and suspicion. I'm basically on the Ann Coulter train with regard to Trump.

Fen said...

I generally do not find it a good idea to treat politicians (who have power over me) with love and admiration.

Gratitude. Not love.

J. Farmer said...

@Fen:

Gratitude. Not love.

I'll wait until the wall is built.

Browndog said...

Is this a J. Farmer open poo-flinging thread?

Or a discussion among those of us actually watching?

Christ, get a hold of yourself, dude.

J. Farmer said...

@Browndog:

Christ, get a hold of yourself, dude.

I'm totally calm, and I'm responding to people who have responded to me. Nothing is stopping you from writing whatever comment you want and completely ignoring me. In fact, I encourage it.

Drago said...

Trump: "America will never be a socialist nation."

...and LLR Chuck curls up in a ball on the floor and hums the theme of the Maddow Show while crying uncontrollably.

FullMoon said...

Tuned in . Trump is very kind and gentle in comments regarding Democrats. Needs to step it up a bit.

Drago said...

Nice. Stopping "endless wars".

Drago said...

We will need to see that consistently over time.

Birkel said...

400 miles of wall on order.
Maybe you should watch just to get current events news.

Birkel said...

Ethno-nationalist, sure.
But which ethnicity and which nation remain open questions.

mockturtle said...

Watched the whole thing and it was inspiring. Not just the speech, itself, but the evident enthusiasm of his many supporters. Hope it translates to another--even bigger--win in 2020. And yes, Sarah Huckabee Sanders is a rock and a rock star, to me. God bless her in all she does.

J. Farmer said...

@Birkel:

But which ethnicity and which nation remain open questions.

So allow me to close them. Which ethnicity? European (i.e. white). Which nation? The one of mine, my parents', my grandparents', and my great-grandparents' birth (i.e. the USA).

Birkel said...

Still open....

wildswan said...

"n.n said...
'there were 5 or 6 people at the Impeach Trump rally'

Peaches are out of season. Oranges are still a good choice."

Orange you glad, Hillary didn't win.

J. Farmer said...

400 miles of wall on order.
Maybe you should watch just to get current events news.


Perhaps you should consult a dictionary. "Is built" is not the same thing as "on order."

J. Farmer said...

Still open....

Right, Birkel. I advocate paleoconservatism, want a wall, mandatory E-verify for hiring, an entry/exist visa tracking system, and a ten-year moratorium on immigration because I'm a Butonese nationalist. I've been unmasked!

Birkel said...

Of course you are, sunshine.
Have you met Chuck?
He's a life long Republican.

On the Internet.

Birkel said...

400 miles of wall must either be magicked into position or it's not good enough.
Democratic resistance and federal judicial orders be damned.
Funding issues be damned.
Republican and Chamber of Commerce be damned.

Now or it's nothing.

Darrell said...

LOCK HER UP!

n.n said...

Orange you glad, Hillary didn't win.

Berry much so.

J. Farmer said...

@Birkel:

Have you met Chuck?
He's a life long Republican.


It doesn't actually matter to me if he was or wasn't. It has no bearing on whether anything he says is true or false, right or wrong, logical or illogical.

But yes, you've got me. I've spent years on this blog arguing that race is real, that blacks commit more crimes than whites, that blacks are more prone to social pathologies, that we should take steps to preserve the Anglo-Protestant cultural core of the country, that we should stop immigration from the third-world, that nationalism is preferable to internationalism, and defending people like John Derbyshire, Jared Taylor, and Sam Dickson all without believing one whiff of it.

Now or it's nothing.

I didn't say anything about "now." I said that when it is built, I will express gratitude. I will not, however, express gratitude for having plans to potentially build one in the future.

And oh yeah, I forgot that Trump was forced to punt to Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell on his domestic agenda for his first two years in office while Republicans controlled both houses of Congress. And remind me which of those nefarious forces have forced Trump to make Jared Kushner his point person on immigration.

wildswan said...

Coming:
Space Force; Land a Man on Mars; negotiate new treaties & continue to rebuild our manufacturing base; finish the wall; true immigration reform; protect religious rights; protect privacy rights; protect the unborn; school choice to get kids out of failing schools; Supreme Court justices; circuit court justices

Done:
America #1 energy supplier in world, negotiate new treaties, lower taxes, cut regulations and so rebuild our manufacturing base; high employment across all groups; Supreme Court justices; circuit court justices; Defeat ISIS; move the Embassy to Jerusalem rebuild the Armed Forces; criminal justice reform

The Dem Candidate - CHEAT in 2020.
The Dem CHEAT Dream:
Venezuela Good, Palestine good, Somalia good, Hollywood good. America bad, abolish the border, abolish the nation; America bad, OrangeManBad, Republicans bad, whites bad, seize the guns, suppress speech. Israel bad, America bad. History bad, poetry bad, America bad; Men bad, marriage bad, babies bad, America bad.
Fck the motherfckers.
CHEAT In 2020

David Begley said...

If Crooked Hillary was President, oil would be $120 bbl and $4.00 plus per gallon.

J. Farmer said...

@Darrell:

Let's not forget that fifty people came out to hear Mayor Pete.

While I consider Buttigieg's candidacy a novelty at best, that is not a very apt comparison. Prior to the 2016 run, Trump had been a public figure for more than a quarter century, had previously floated the idea of running for president, and had been on a prime time television show for more than a decade. Buttigieg, by comparison, is the 37-year-old mayor of a small city in Indiana.

Birkel said...

It's hardly fair to compare presidential candidates from one party to the current president of another party.

That seems legit.

Fen said...

Farmer: Perhaps you should consult a dictionary. "Is built" is not the same thing as "on order."

And yet, I strongly suspect that when that 400 miles of border wall is completed you'll be throwing cold water on that too.


Michael K said...

If Crooked Hillary was President, oil would be $120 bbl and $4.00 plus per gallon.

Dave, you need to get out more, especially California where gas is $4.50 a gallon.

Darrell said...

The point is that the fake media raves about Mayor Pete's numbers. Without giving them. And the point is that 100,000 people were waiting for 20,000 seats in Trump's stadium.

Roy Lofquist said...

Are old fogeys allowed to post here? How old? I remember seeing President Truman on our black and white TV with the seven inch screen. So, I've seen and lived under a bunch of presidents - 13 if I counted right. Of all of them, Donald Trump is most like Dwight Eisenhower.

Both men came to office after being spectacularly successful in non-political endeavors. Ike won the war in Europe. We are familiar with the accomplishments of Trump. You may not like him but he does have his own jumbo jet and gold bathroom fixtures.

For both, their first political office was President of the United States. Ike was recruited by both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. Before announcing nobody knew if Trump was a Democrat or a Republican.

What did they accomplish? Ike gave us the Interstate Highway System, arguably the most significant and successful infrastructure program in history. The book on Trump is not complete but so far he hasn't done badly with economic growth and unemployment. A one percent increase in GDP leads to an economy that is 65% larger in 50 years. Fifty years, you say? It's been 60 years since the Interstates were started.

But, most importantly, MOST IMPORTANTLY, neither of them was OWNED. Neither one of them ascended the political system beholden to narrow interests for their success. They are/were, the only two presidents in my lifetime whose loyalties are to us, the voters. That means that every one of us are going to be unhappy some time or another. But it's all right ma, it's life and life only.




Darrell said...

Plus the Democrats are floating an extra $5 climate change gas tax. For the children.

wildswan said...

"Blogger J. Farmer said...

While I consider Buttigieg's candidacy a novelty at best,"

I like the idea of "novelty" candidates.

J. Farmer said...

@Fen:

And yet, I strongly suspect that when that 400 miles of border wall is completed you'll be throwing cold water on that too.

Guess we'll have to wait and see.

Darrell said...

Make America Greater, Amen.

That'll make Democrats build even more altars to Satan.

wildswan said...

J Farmer

What part of "race" is real? Genetic? Cultural?

rhhardin said...

I'll wait for the zinger reports. There are no good political speeches, Trump or anybody else.

Birkel said...

Likewise the number of good rhhardin comments...

Gahrie said...

Ethno-nationalist, sure.
But which ethnicity and which nation remain open questions.


There is no question in my mind that Farmer is a White nationalist.

Gahrie said...

What part of "race" is real? Genetic? Cultural?

I don't know about Farmer, but I do know that there are three distinct genetic human populations that we call races and in other animals are called sub-species.

J. Farmer said...

@wildswan:

What part of "race" is real? Genetic? Cultural?

Both

madAsHell said...

Gahrie! Farmer? You REALLY need to distinguish between "farmer", and the nut "J. Farmer".

I read farmer responses, but I would NEVER respond J. Farmer. He's not very smart.

wildswan said...

J Farmer

"that we should take steps to preserve the Anglo-Protestant cultural core of the country"

But what about the mutts? - the Norwegian Protestants in Minnesota - socialists all; What about Stanley Ann Dunham's son? - is he more core than the Irish Catholic fireman and policemen?; What about the Huguenots in South Carolina?

J. Farmer said...

@wildswan:

But what about the mutts? - the Norwegian Protestants in Minnesota - socialists all; What about Stanley Ann Dunham's son? - is he more core than the Irish Catholic fireman and policemen?; What about the Huguenots in South Carolina?

See Eric Kaufmann's The Rise and Fall of Anglo-America.

wildswan said...

"J. Farmer said...
@wildswan:

What part of "race" is real? Genetic? Cultural?

Both"

It's been shown that "genetic" race does not correspond to cultural race. There are tribes in Africa living in the same country which are more distant genetically from each other than Norwegians are from the Chinese.

rcocean said...

God has made they mighty... make thee mighter yet.

Land of the great and the home of the free.

stephen cooper said...

Mets announcers (Ron Darling and Gary) were on their game tonight. (third Tuesday in June, 6/18)

Ron talking about Seaver and the 69 Mets: and I paraphrase: people forget that Seaver, who is thought of as this Hall of Fame, dominating pitcher, was not always a legend, he was a kid in his early 20s back in the day, and when we had that 2012 reunion of the World Series team, when Tom said that Gil Hodges, a guy who had been a marine, a guy who had that marine toughness in his background, a guy who was able to lead, that was the sort of thing that a young guy needed, something like an angel on his shoulder, an older guy who had been through the wars and knew how important it it is to be serious, to be dependable, to enjoy life and have a good time but to be at the same time the sort of guy other guys can depend on.

I am gonna cut Ron some slack for using the phrase ex-Marine, tonight, there ARE NO EX-MARINES
once a Marine always a Marine

other stuff - stop reading if you do not care about baseball ----- Alonso was called Kingmanesque with respect to his recent home runs, former Met star of the early 1970s Dave Marshall recently passed away, he spent a few years in the majors and afterwards he was the guy who was in charge of parking for every major event in his southern California town, he was a local hero and that was probably the most important part of his life, he could have been another Mickey Mantle if not for his rotator cuff injury at the age of 20, but it worked out for him, he loved his wife and she loved him, and Robinson Cano, as if this were 2009 instead of 2019, looked like a Hall of Famer again tonight sending a blazing hit over the infield

Alonso's first four-hit game, De Grom's first time to go into the ninth with a huge lead, and so on and so on

life is complicated

if you want to know what Mother Theresa gave up when she went into the business of being a saint, of being someone who is close to Jesus and therefore SUPREMELY HAPPY, take a look at Rita Ora

twins

the only important thing in life is to care about someone else who IS NOT YOU

I mean care about yourself, God loves you as much as God loves anyone else, but what is important is to care about someone who is NOT YOU

you are welcome for the good advice

have a nice life

mockturtle said...

I don't know about Farmer, but I do know that there are three distinct genetic human populations that we call races and in other animals are called sub-species.

That's unadulterated horse shit, Gahrie.

rcocean said...

Trump, Trump, Trump, the boys are marching.

Cheer up Comrades he will come.

And beneath the starry flag, we shall breathe the air again of Freedom in our own beloved home.

wildswan said...

J. Farmer

This guy "Kaufman" - are you sure of his Nordic creds? I don't want to go astray.

J. Farmer said...

@wildswan:

It's been shown that "genetic" race does not correspond to cultural race. There are tribes in Africa living in the same country which are more distant genetically from each other than Norwegians are from the Chinese.

You will have to point me in the direction of that study if you want a comment. But it sounds like another version of Lewontin's fallacy. I would also add that people like Richard Dawkins and Jerry Coyne, both well respected biologists who are quite left in their politics, have made convicing arguments for why race has taxonomic significance. You can read Dawkins' comments on the matter in his book The Ancestor's Tale, and you can read Jerry Coyne here and here. Razib Khan, a bright light in the field of population genetics, has also written persuasively on the topic.

J. Farmer said...

@wildswan:

This guy "Kaufman" - are you sure of his Nordic creds? I don't want to go astray.

We can have a sensible adult discussion about a subject we disagree on, or you can be snide and childish. Please choose.

rcocean said...

get 3 white Boomers together and they'll talk about race and racism.

Where were you when you told "racist Grandma" that "Negroes" were people too?

1968? 1965? Ah, it seemed like Yesterday. And we can still talk about it. Forever.

stephen cooper said...

the dream that I wanna belong in

over the hills and far away


OVER THE HILLS AND FAR AWAY


wanna know what I know ?


anywhere away with the one you love, and who loves you

you are welcome for the good advice


wild chicken said...

He has coattails.


I'll say. He swept a bunch of our local and state guys into office in 2016. Though no one cares admit it.

Limited Perspective said...

"J Farmer

"that we should take steps to preserve the Anglo-Protestant cultural core of the country"

But what about the mutts? - the Norwegian Protestants in Minnesota - socialists all; What about Stanley Ann Dunham's son? - is he more core than the Irish Catholic fireman and policemen?; What about the Huguenots in South Carolina?"

All mutts are better off in Anglo-Protestant culture.

Perhaps you have not read the history of other cultures. Do you want to recognize the true brutality in Africa, Native America, Norse (before Christianity), China?

What if people say fuck you to your Christian West ideals and go full scale Roman/Darwin?

rcocean said...

We should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an American and assimilates himself to us he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birth-place or origin.

But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn’t doing his part as an American. There can be no divided allegiance here…

We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house; and we have room for but one soul loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people.

stephen cooper said...

rcocean

I don't talk about racism

tI have too many friends of every race

you are probably the same

people like us, when we talk about what other people talk about when they talk about racism, just talk about people who are just fucking nasty

nothing to do with race

you know that

lighten up on the Boomers they are often facing cancer and diabetes and obesity and all sorts of stuff
be nice to them,
tell them that God loves them

they are loved by God just as you and me are

wildswan said...

J Farmer

You might want to take a look at the Introduction and Chapter One of Decoding Race (2012) by Catherine Bliss

YoungHegelian said...

I find this whole Trump phenomenon fascinating. The rock star crowds versus whole localities that can't say his name without spitting. The much-more measured Trump support among most conservative talking heads versus the entire abandonment of reasoned discourse among his opponents whenever he's the topic of conversation (e.g. watch CNN now. CNN is the 24x7 anti-Trump news network now. It's insane).

Trump himself doesn't scare me. What Trump stirs up, especially on the Left but some on the Right, including not only some Alt-Righties but also the anti-Trump right like Max Boot, does scare me.

rcocean said...

Whenever anyone talks about a Republican winning, then I immediately think "racism"

Its the liberal in me.

J. Farmer said...

@wildswan:

You might want to take a look at the Introduction and Chapter One of Decoding Race (2012) by Catherine Bliss

For what purpose?

rcocean said...

"Lighten up on the Boomers they are often facing cancer and diabetes and obesity and all sorts of stuff,be nice to them, tell them that God loves them, they are loved by God just as you and me are"

The Boomers are the only Generation that never got off the stage. Every other Generation bowed off gracefully, due to old age, but the Boomers still have a death grip on our Culture. Think about it. I Love Trump. But isn't it CRAZY that we might have a 72 y/o boomer running against a 78 Y/o Bernie or a 76 Y/o "Slow Joe" in 2020?

And I know that he's actually a PRE_BOOMER but why are we still talking about Robert D Niro? Or 78 y/o Babs Streisand?

I'm going to puke if I have to hear one more time about Selma, or RFK, or Who shot JFK, or Woodstock.

wildswan said...

"Wild Swan
It's been shown that "genetic" race does not correspond to cultural race. There are tribes in Africa living in the same country which are more distant genetically from each other than Norwegians are from the Chinese.

JFarmer
You will have to point me in the direction of that study if you want a comment"

Wild Swan
You might want to take a look at the Introduction and Chapter One of Decoding Race (2012) by Catherine Bliss" which is a book which discusses genetic race vs. cultural race in the light of the Human Genome Project.

stephen cooper said...

rcocean -

I know lots of Boomer musicians, every single one I know says I like music but my daughter or my son

REALLY HAS A PASSION FOR IT
and my daughter or my son is a better musician than I ever was

I mean, I like Boomer music but I Like music from the classical era and from recent days just as much or more


I guess I am lucky EVERY PERSON I KNOW WHO IS IN THE BOOMER DEMOGRAPHIC

just wants their kids to have a good life


none of them ever say Hendrix was the greatest , nobody will ever be that good again, and nobody says "nobody knows what it was like to have a KENNEDY as president"

they all know Hendrix died, tragically, before he became the real musician he would have been if he had lived a few more years, and they all know that the Boomer Idol KENNEDY would have been court-martialed for dereliction of duty if he had been an officer in any NAVY BESIDES THE TRIUMPHANT AND EASY-GOING US NAVY

that is why I like my fellow Navy officers from back in the day

we were good-hearted guys who did not expect much from our fellow officers

we wanted people to get respect

whatever, truth is easy if you think about it, hard if you try to explain it

J. Farmer said...

@rcocean:

Every other Generation bowed off gracefully, due to old age

Isn't "bowed off gracefully" just a euphemism for died. Ronald Reagan was two weeks from his 70th birthday when he was inaugurated. H.w. Bush, Ford, and Eisenhower were all in their 60s when they were inaugurated.

I'm going to puke if I have to hear one more time about Selma, or RFK, or Who shot JFK, or Woodstock.

I'll grant you Selma, but I don't really think the Kennedy assassinations or Woodstock have much cultural relevancy in contemporary America.

J. Farmer said...

@wildswan:

You might want to take a look at the Introduction and Chapter One of Decoding Race (2012) by Catherine Bliss" which is a book which discusses genetic race vs. cultural race in the light of the Human Genome Project.

Recall that the completion of the Human Genome Project occurred nearly 20 years ago. That is not exactly cutting edge population genetics.

I would also direct you to David Reich, professor of genetics at Harvard Medical School, who says in the New York Times in March of last year:

"I have deep sympathy for the concern that genetic discoveries could be misused to justify racism. But as a geneticist I also know that it is simply no longer possible to ignore average genetic differences among “races.”

Also, humans and chimps are more genetically similar than they are dissimilar, but those dissimilarities can still lead to big differences in appearance and behavior.

walter said...

How bout that rally..

Bruce Hayden said...

I like the policies. I like lower taxation.

The Democrats have already said that they will reverse all these changes. And yet people think they are still contenders--without the vote fraud they bring.


The interesting thing to me is the Democrats are so insistent on repealing the Trump tax cuts. Many more people benefited from those tax cuts, probably even in the Deep Blue states where most of the tax repeal advocates are from. But those tax cuts hurt one demographic group, and only that group: high income tax payers from Deep Blue states with high state and local taxes. Probably fewer than a million people overall, compared with probably more than a high hundred million who benefited. The Democrats are seemingly willing to harm 100+ million in order to restore the entire SALT deduction for probably fewer than 1% of that number. Why would the Democrats do that? Because the people with such large state and local taxation exposure tend, very strongly, to donate money to Dem politicians. They fund Dem politicians, and that is why Crooked Hillary spent most of her campaign closeted with just this demographic, located on either coast, and rarely ever bothered to visit many of the swing states that ultimately went for Trump instead.

wildswan said...

"All mutts are better off in Anglo-Protestant culture."

I'm a great admirer of the Puritan dissenters who founded and led this country. But my Irish Catholic ancestors fought in the Civil War in the 19th Massachusetts. One died at Fredericksburg and one helped turn back Pickett's Charge at Gettysburg - at a time when No Irish Need Apply" signs were up in Massachusetts. They fought for a country some of whose members were rejecting them because they thought personal liberty was a gift from England to the world, not a personal possession of the group of Dissenters that developed the original ideas.

Limited Perspective said...

wildswan

"my Irish Catholic ancestors fought in the Civil War"

Thank you for your sacrifice wildswan.

wildswan said...

J Farmer

Reich said in the article you refer to:

"If scientists can be confident of anything, it is that whatever we currently believe about the genetic nature of differences among populations is most likely wrong."

J. Farmer said...

@wildswan:

I honestly don't know what that anecdote has to do with anything that's been said in this thread. That non-Anglo-Protestants contributed to the development of the country is not denied. But neither is the fact that the country was settled and founded by a majority Protestant ethnic core. All nations need a common cultural core to bind themselves together, otherwise you will simply get balkanization. To take your very own example, how much do you think your ancestors' sacrifice in the Civil War matters to recent immigrants from Latin America, Africa, or Asia who have zero historical, cultural, or linguistic ties to that conflict?

J. Farmer said...

@wildswan:

"If scientists can be confident of anything, it is that whatever we currently believe about the genetic nature of differences among populations is most likely wrong."

And in the very next paragraph, he writes: "So how should we prepare for the likelihood that in the coming years, genetic studies will show that many traits are influenced by genetic variations, and that these traits will differ on average across human populations? It will be impossible — indeed, anti-scientific, foolish and absurd — to deny those differences."

The "most likely wrong" that Reich was referring to is the notion that race has no biological significance (i.e. the position you're advocating).

rcocean said...

To take your very own example, how much do you think your ancestors' sacrifice in the Civil War matters to recent immigrants from Latin America, Africa, or Asia who have zero historical, cultural, or linguistic ties to that conflict?

It mean absolutely NOTHING to them. Which is why they shouldn't be allowed in the USA. We have 320 million people. Why do we need more people? Its crazy.

Michael K said...

the people with such large state and local taxation exposure tend, very strongly, to donate money to Dem politicians.

This is the key to the Democrats. They are responding to donors. Also true of Republicans but their donors don't seem to hate America as much. The Republican donors have made lots of money from China but seem to care about the culture more. Maybe they just like traditional art and opera more. The "deplorables," as Inga calls us, care about children and education. I like Opera but worry about grandchildren more.

Bay Area Guy said...

I heard a podcast of this brilliant, wonky, analytical, computer nerd economist (I think his name was Gary Smith), who was explaining what went wrong with Hillary's "data" in the 2016 election. He called it "political malpractice."

The short version: Hillary's multi-million dollar political, computer algorithms (whatever the fuck that means) could not account for "voter enthusiasm." Trump voters were more enthusiastic and motivated to actually vote for Trump, than Hillary voters were for Hillary. The inability of the computer algorithms to detect this, falsely lead Hillary's genius campaign staff to believe they were ahead in Wisc, Penn & Mich.

Oops!

I guess the bottom line is that these type of rallies actually do mean something politically.

rcocean said...

People need to understand why - even though we have 320 million people - we have this INCREDIBLE elite class push for immigration - both illegal and legal.

Its simple. The Democrats want more voters and the Rich Republicans want cheap labor and union busters. That's it. Money and Power. All this humanitarian crap? LOL! Its for suckers, baby.

rcocean said...

Ask a rich Republican or Democrat how much immigration is enough. They will DODGE the question.

After all, isn't there some limit? Do we really want 100 Million Africans or Chinese here? So when does it end?

The answer? It doesn't. The Rich are insulated. And they don't care.

rcocean said...

Sorry to be serious. Hey, how about those warriors?

wildswan said...

"how much do you think your ancestors' sacrifice in the Civil War matters to recent immigrants from Latin America, Africa, or Asia who have zero historical, cultural, or linguistic ties to that conflict?"


What my ancestors - and other Irish Catholics - did matters to the descendants of the Protestants who founded this country. It shows we took up the battle flag. That was the original topic. The question for today is: do I have more in common with Protestant Christians who oppose abortion - wherever their ancestors came from - than with turncoat Catholics like Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi who come from exactly the same Northeast Catholic background as I do? What is the core?

J. Farmer said...

@rcocean

The answer? It doesn't. The Rich are insulated. And they don't care.

They are the same people who tell you that they are not for open borders and yet oppose every effort to prevent open orders.

Laslo Spatula said...

"Sorry to be serious. Hey, how about those warriors?"

The Warriors didn't come out to play-ee-ay.

I am Laslo.

Bay Area Guy said...

Regarding illegal immigration, "The Democrats want more voters and the Rich Republicans want cheap labor and union busters."

Yeah, regrettably, that's basically right.

J. Farmer said...

@wildswan:

What is the core?

There isn't one anymore. It's been hollowed out. That's the "fall" that Kaufmann's book title references. And abortion on demand, which you oppose, has been one of the results of that fall.

Darkisland said...

J. Farmer,

I would not go so far as to say that I "love" you. But, even though we have never met and seldom even exchanged comments here, based on your comments I do like you.

I also trust you.

I've been around for a few years and I have found it is always in my best interest to like and trust everyone, no matter how little I know them, unless they give me reason not to. You have given me no reason not to trust you.

I've been disappointed a number of times but I've not been disappointed many more.

I certainly like and trust PDJT. He makes me feel as if he is with me rather than against me. That makes me like him. A lot.

He has done, made a good start at, or attempted but been thwarted by forces beyond his control pretty much everything he has promised. That makes me trust him. A lot.

OTOH, as the saying goes "Trust your mother but cut the cards"

John Henry

Bay Area Guy said...

Fen sez:

"I remember Reagan, and it feels like blasphemy, but I think Trump is just as great but in different ways. Different time, different age."

I tend to see it this way too. I certainly don't love Trump, the man, the celebrity. I'm too old to love politicians as, say, I once "loved" Willie Mays.

But I hate what the Left is doing to our great (but flawed) country. I am continually amazed and pleasantly surprised as to how Trump has battled the Left (and their global elite allies on the right), and has actually moved the needle in the right direction, as the great Reagan did.

So, I genuinely think Trump has earned a second term.

Mind you, that makes me a distinct minority in the Bay Area.

wildswan said...

"that race has no biological significance (i.e. the position you're advocating)."

Not exactly. What I'm saying is that history explains the crime statistics better than genetics, and that racial categories do not correspond to genetic categories. Reich, for example, mentions the case of African-American men prone to prostate cancer. Actually genetics shows that some African-Americans have a genetic mutation that makes them prone to that cancer and most don't. You might test African-Americans to see which men have the mutation but you couldn't know simply from the fact of race whether they have that mutation. Behavior is a far more complex phenomenon than disease and there's no reason to think that a slight genetic mutation means more than the human interactions that go on. Reich thinks maybe someday they'll get a significant genetic result on behavior; I think they won't; but we both think they don't have anything right now.

walter said...

Just remember Berno is a close second..so we have read here.

J. Farmer said...

@wildswan:

racial categories do not correspond to genetic categories

From "Genetic Structure, Self-Identified Race/Ethnicity, and Confounding in Case-Control Association Studies," published in American Journal of Human Genetics:

Subjects identified themselves as belonging to one of four major racial/ethnic groups (white, African American, East Asian, and Hispanic) and were recruited from 15 different geographic locales within the United States and Taiwan. Genetic cluster analysis of the microsatellite markers produced four major clusters, which showed near-perfect correspondence with the four self-reported race/ethnicity categories. Of 3,636 subjects of varying race/ethnicity, only 5 (0.14%) showed genetic cluster membership different from their self-identified race/ethnicity. On the other hand, we detected only modest genetic differentiation between different current geographic locales within each race/ethnicity group. Thus, ancient geographic ancestry, which is highly correlated with self-identified race/ethnicity—as opposed to current residence—is the major determinant of genetic structure in the U.S. population.

J. Farmer said...

@John Henry:

I take your points and agree with much of what you said. I would, however, draw a distinction between liking things that Trump does and liking Trump as a person. So, for example, if Trump starts some new foolish war, I will oppose it. His ending the absurd notion that Assad must go was good, and I supported it. Whatever I "feel" about Trump is completely irrelevant to these calculations.

Big Mike said...

The WSJ has started calling Liz Warren our new adlai stevenson.

@gilbar, do they mean she is bald and has holes in her socks?

Clyde said...

Jersey Fled said...
Rush reported that there were 5 or 6 people at the Impeach Trump rally in Naples FL yesterday. All older and all white.


[Snicker] Naples, like the rest of Southwest Florida, is one of the reddest parts of the state. That was probably almost every Democrat in Naples! (I exaggerate, but not by much.)

Clyde said...

I was asleep while it was on live, so watching it now. I skipped ahead to when VP Pence was finishing up and introducing the president. Melania looked elegant as always. Note to Hillary Clinton: That's what a pantsuit is supposed to look like.

Clyde said...

David Begley said...
If Crooked Hillary was President, oil would be $120 bbl and $4.00 plus per gallon.


And DOW 13,000, 10% unemployment and the foreigners still eating our lunch on trade.

Clyde said...

Michael K said...
If Crooked Hillary was President, oil would be $120 bbl and $4.00 plus per gallon.

Dave, you need to get out more, especially California where gas is $4.50 a gallon.


Federalism, Michael K. Places like California serve as an example of what happens when bad policies are implemented on the state level. The residents of that state choose to have punitively high taxes on gasoline by electing people who impose those taxes on them. If that's what you want, go for it, California. But the rest of us will pass on that, thank you kindly.

Clyde said...

Clyde said...

And DOW 13,000, 10% unemployment and the foreigners still eating our lunch on trade.


But the Clinton Foundation would be making out like BANDITS!

Clyde said...

Oooh! And the most kick-ass Sarah since Sarah Connor!

mockturtle said...

I heard today that so far this year we have spent over $125 billion on illegal immigrants. Trump only asked for $5 billion to build the wall.

Gahrie said...

I don't know about Farmer, but I do know that there are three distinct genetic human populations that we call races and in other animals are called sub-species.

That's unadulterated horse shit, Gahrie.


Facts:

1) Sub-Saharan Africans are nearly pure Homo Sapiens. They have almost no DNA from other hominids.

2) Pacific Islanders such as Australian aborigines and Papuans have a genetic background of extensive interbreeding with two hominids, the Neanderthal, and a close variant, the Denisovans.

3) Eurasians have a genetic background of interbreeding with Neanderthal.

These are well known facts, and not even controversial.

Gahrie said...

The three generic populations of humans have more genetic differences than the different sub-species of tigers.

Gahrie said...

There are tribes in Africa living in the same country which are more distant genetically from each other than Norwegians are from the Chinese.

And I'm sure that fact has nothing to do with either forced migrations caused by displacement or the fact that those countries were created in Europe with no accounting for the facts on the ground in Africa.

Clyde said...

Michael K said...

...

The "deplorables," as Inga calls us, care about children and education. I like Opera but worry about grandchildren more.


Yes, this is the difference between the Democrats and the Republicans these days. The Democrats will tell you that this country was never great. Never exceptional, just one country among others, nothing special. And that's why those of us who grew up loving and believing in this country, that it WAS and moreover IS something special, won't be voting for the Democrats anytime soon.

Culture matters, and I prefer ours to those of other lands. I don't begrudge the people of those other nations their differences, but if they want to come here, they need to become Americans, not just settlers bringing their own languages and cultures here to attempt to supplant ours.

Clyde said...

Birkel said...
I like the policies. I like lower taxation. I like fewer regulations. I like closing the NAFTA loopholes. I like negotiating bilateral trade agreements with Japan, South Korea, and the rest. I like lower unemployment and 3% GDP growth. I like any plan to reduce illegal immigration that has a chance to actually, you know, work.


If you like your prosperity, you can keep your prosperity... If you don't vote Democrat.

Clyde said...

I didn't intend to watch the president's whole speech to the end, but I ended up doing so. I liked the statement of the "values that hold us together as one America" in the last five minutes or so at the end, of the things that we believe in. So different from the Democrats! The choice in 2020 will be stark, between American greatness or returning to the failed policies of the Obama years. I only hope that there are more of us than there are of them next November.

Crazy World said...

I have yet to watch as usual, I prefer the written word but I am so happy to have the Donald and his amazing wife in the White House. Sarah is a blessing.

Paco Wové said...

"What Trump stirs up, especially on the Left ... does scare me."

It's alarming. Consider commenters here like Harrogate et al. – angry, delusional, apparently incapable of even the simplest level of debate or reasoning. They show up, emit their propaganda and/or insults, and dart away again.

Angle-Dyne, Samurai Buzzard said...

JFarmer: I’ve never watched a single one of these so don’t see any reason to start now. Plus I find it odd to treat politicians like rock stars.

Yeah, me neither, and me too. (Not that I'm in Eeyore's corner with you and Coulter.)

I remember being one of the few early deciders for Trump, and getting grief from some of the people, now Trump's most full-throated defenders, about my planning to vote for that mountebank, that clown, instead of fabulous conservatives like Cruz (or Rubio! or Fiorina!).

Not that I object to their having come 'round to Trump. I will vote for Trump again, and I'm glad they will, too. It's just funny how I appear to have traveled from dumb, easily flim-flammed yahoo to tepid cynic without moving an inch.

Robert Cook said...

Perhaps those around you have traveled to being dumb, easily flim-flammed yahoos.

Angle-Dyne, Samurai Buzzard said...

wildswan: It's been shown that "genetic" race does not correspond to cultural race. There are tribes in Africa living in the same country which are more distant genetically from each other than Norwegians are from the Chinese.

I guess you still haven't figured-out that factoid-flak like this doesn't cut any ice with people who actually know a little about the subject. It's for the consumption of incurious NPR listeners and National Geographic readers who want to have correct views and their moral and intellectual vanity flattered.

Know your audience, wild, and stop making a fool of yourself.

Angle-Dyne, Samurai Buzzard said...

Perhaps those around you have traveled to being dumb, easily flim-flammed yahoos.

Good old Cookie. Still shocked at having discovered that Celia shits, and still thinking that nobody else has.