June 11, 2019

At the Shadowy Café...

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... take a pose.

183 comments:

Fernandistein said...

Fake Drudge headline: "How Alternative Medicine Saved 10-Year-Old Boy's Life After Two Bouts Of Cancer..."
...article says...
"The alternative is a drug called Jakafi..."

"Jakafi (Ruxolitinib) is a prescription medicine used to treat adults with polycythemia vera who have already taken a medicine called hydroxyurea and it did not work well enough or they could not tolerate it."

So if you take Advil as an alternative to aspirin, or vice-versa, you're practicing "alternative medicine".

Narr said...

Yikes, that shade on the right looks kind of hammer&sickley.

Narr
They're everywhere

P.S. Apparently bas-relief is a statue (captcha test)

mockturtle said...

Anyone here watch One America News Network? I had never heard of it but here at an RV park in Valdez, AK, I see it on cable. Google refers to it as 'right wing', meaning, I suppose, that it is not blatantly left wing. They are showing some Senate hearings on immigration issues featuring acting Secretary of DHS Kevin McAleenan. This man is knowledgeable, on point and really has his ducks in a row.

I know, some may ask: She is in Alaska and is watching Senate hearings? It's early here and I'm just finishing my second cup of coffee.

Lucid-Ideas said...

I'm going to name both the sculpture and the photo "Gramsci Smiles"

And as an aside, does anyone think that if Hitler had been accepted to art school (his stuff wasn't that bad) WWII may not have happened? I always laugh because you hear people talk about going back in time and killing Hitler. That's stupid. Just help him get into art school. If it's good enough for Lori Loughner it's good enough for Adolf!

Curious George said...

Reince Priebus, Donald Trump’s Former Chief Of Staff, Joins The Navy

"Reince Priebus officially joined the U.S. Navy as a reserve officer on Monday.

Priebus, who served as White House chief of staff at the start of President Donald Trump’s administration and as the former chairman of the Republican National Committee, was commissioned as an entry-level ensign at a ceremony led by Vice President Mike Pence."

Weird.

rehajm said...

The Blinkens are an interesting couple.

Robert Catesby said...

Madonna says: "Strike a pose".

Francisco D said...

NBC announced their moderators for the Democrat debate.

One of them is the infamous investigative journalist ...

... wait for it ...

Rachel Maddow

Narr said...

L-I@1043: I seem to recall an alternative history cognate with your idea about the Bullgoose and art school. Hitler becomes a famous scifi illustrator or the like. The Iron Dream (?)

His career is a great illustration of contingency; he might have been killed, easily, in the first war; he might not have been awarded an IC 1, which was a rare distinction for an enlisted man and definitely helped him in politics (millions of IC 2 were given out, so that about half the guys in the Imperial Army ended up with one). He might have been killed in one of the fast cars he liked, or campaigning around Germany in an airplane (he was a pioneer in that). He might have been killed (rather easily) by the officer corps if they hadn't been such wankers.

Narr
He went a long way for a "small-town sissy" (John Berger)

BarrySanders20 said...

The top of that sculpture garners feelings of deep whitecentricness with its downward dog yoga pose farting in the general direction of brown people.

narciso said...

Oh really:
https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/06/media-declares-speculation-about-bidens-health-off-limits-after-speculating-about-trumps-mental-health/

narciso said...

Good to be the prince:

https://freebeacon.com/issues/google-protecting-jussie-smollett-from-disparaging-searches/

madAsHell said...

Reince Priebus, Donald Trump’s Former Chief Of Staff, Joins The Navy


He's 47-years-old, and he's signing on as an Ensign. Maybe he's looking at the PX privilege.

Joe Biden had has kid sign up as an over-aged Navy Ensign. I guessed the Navy experience was for a future in politics, but then he was kicked-out of the Navy. It seems he had more than just his finger going up his nose.

narciso said...

Priebus went to the war college, so he take a demotion when he joined the white house.

Lucid-Ideas said...

So bland. So Bourgeois. So Boring.

Where's the real art

Beasts of England said...

Good thing the media have never speculated about Trump's (mental) health, narciso!! lol

narciso said...


Indeed or someone might have said something:

How was the reunion,

susan.h said...

Again with the museums? If I went all the way to NY, breaking my rule about flying on top of that, I would revel in the real NY: the streets--the sights, the sounds, the smells, the tastes, but not the touches,no not the touches.

narciso said...

Well you might not want to touch or smell anything in ny, iytwim.

Fen said...

I always laugh because you hear people talk about going back in time and killing Hitler. That's stupid. Just help him get into art school.

Yup. Use that Temporal Credit to go back and save 120 million people, by strangling Karl Marx in his crib. I'll pitch in a lifetime supply of Whiskey.

narciso said...

1984 is our guide book, why do you ask:


https://mobile.twitter.com/StephanieHazen/status/1138232169233625089

Narr said...

Thomas Berger, not John, has a character in his Carlo Reinhardt trilogy call AH a "small-town sissy."

Narr
John B is a lefty brit, apologies to Thomas

Fen said...

I seem to recall an alternative history cognate with your idea about the Bullgoose and art school. Hitler becomes a famous scifi illustrator or the like.

I don't know, I think events find the people they need regardless. There were thousands of Hilter creatures roaming the planet before 1930. The same conditions that created and elevated Hitler would have simply created and elevated another Hitler to fill the void of Hitler Prime becoming an artist.

Worse, the alternate timeline tags a Hitler creature that is more competent, not prone to making the same mistakes (Russian Front) that Prime Hitler did, and the Third Reich succeeds in taking over the civilized world.

Although it would be fun to see Artist Hitler arrested and executed for subversion by Alternate Hitler. I guess. But now my head hurts.

narciso said...

Yes that was a theme of a Stephen Frye story,

Fen said...

One of them is the infamous investigative journalist ...wait for it ...Rachel Maddow

That's good news. She will press all the Democrat nominees to go on the record about Mueller being a secret Russian agent who conspired to auction Chelsea Clinton off to the Reptilian Illuminati or somesuch.

narciso said...

Lizard people have standards they said no.

Lucid-Ideas said...

Hitler's art was actually quite serene. And quite impressionist if I must say so. That said he was a genuinely evil SOB and routinely made his friends and guests stay up until the early hours of the morning at the Berghof's 'reading' rotunda listening to terrible operas and Eva discussing nonsense.

Now Stalin, there's a crafty little megalomaniac who's crimes have been swept under a rug. In his defense, he only starved millions instead of using gas. What a sweetheart.
.

narciso said...

Seeing as she was the front person for 150 million dollars from Russian interests,

Fen said...

Hitler's art was actually quite serene. ...That said he was a genuinely evil SOB

My Hitler Collection

rcocean said...

Those paintings in the picture are the reason I usually zip through modern art museums in about 45 minutes while spending hours in the Museums with other kinds of art.

Fen said...

go back and save 120 million people, by strangling Karl Marx in his crib

What does it say that the Lefties on this blog are so unapologetic about Marx?

Can you imagine any of us claiming Hitler was a genius or a great man?

But here they are, proudly sporting their Revolutionary Che gear.

Unknown said...

L-I@1043: I seem to recall an alternative history cognate with your idea about the Bullgoose and art school. Hitler becomes a famous scifi illustrator or the like. The Iron Dream (?)

Yes, The Iron Dream by Norman Spinrad.

I have not read it, but "after dabbling in radical politics", Hitler leaves Germany and becomes an SF pulp cover artist in Depression America. Later when he's comfortable with the language, he turns to writing. The Iron Dream is not that alternate history, but is presented as the novel that he wrote.

I suspect it is at least partly an indictment of the casual genocide & racism pulp Space Opera & Fantasy engaged in during the "Golden Age". "See, Hitler would be right at home..". But, again, I have not read the book as I never cared much for Spinrad.

Lucid-Ideas said...

@Fen

3 million have fled Venezuela.

Doctors...
Lawyers...
Engineers...
Business people...
Teachers...
Children...

Gone. Never likely to return.

Patton was right. We should've pushed on Moscow in '45 while we had the army in Europe and sole control of the 'bomb'. Both extreme ends of the 'socialism' spectrum should've died in fire and ash right then, but evil always wears the colors of an ally.


Lawrence Person said...

Here's yesterday's Democratic Presidential Clown Car Update, in case you missed it.

Big Mike said...

You know, I'd rather spend a couple hours looking at Van Gogh's "Almond Blossoms" than to spend five minutes looking at these three items. After five minutes I've seen everything there is to see -- I'd have to be on my toes to grasp everything about "Almond Blossoms" after only two hours.

narciso said...

that's why they had him allegedly killed, by a oss assassin, douglas bazata,

narciso said...

yes there are two splattered canvas, and some odd looking torture device, paging marshall McLuhan,

mockturtle said...

Fen asks, hypothetically: Can you imagine any of us claiming Hitler was a genius or a great man?

Hitler was in fact a political [not military] genius and would qualify as a 'great man' based on his historical impact.

daskol said...

An uncle, a noted abstract expressionist artist (mostly sculpture), hated all things American and especially American abstract expressionists, Rothko the one exception. It was actually strange to hear him praise Rothko, since his typical discourse was shitting on everything. That's a lovely sculpture of pleasant organic shapes that looks like a sinister Calder in shadow.

narciso said...

he had charisma, and a low cunning, with a certain ability to read people, was he a significant figure, certainly, he and the former bankrobber from tblisi, certainly had a powerful impression on the 21st century,

RNB said...

For another take on the 'Divert Hitler to art school' meme, look up 'Wikihistory,' by Desmond Warzel.

Narr said...

I dunno Fen: your theory is the one that says great events find people to cause them. I'm not so sure. Was there another Napoleon ready to spring into place? That really makes individual agency irrelevant, and after a lifetime studying history (i.e. human behavior) I can't so easily do that. Would Alt-Hitler have had the peculiar skill set that H Prime did?

No-body (that I recall recently) has mentioned Black Swans. People have mentioned Asimov's Foundation.

Fair point about J. Stalin. He was at least as twisted as AH, but was different in some interesting ways. The Vozhd took real pleasure in personally tormenting his associates and punishing people who were loyal; AH (except with elites and foreigners) was a bore but none of his friends worried much about being arrested the next day for nothing; JS would never have tried to rescue an ally (Mussolini). And despite legend, no German general was ever shot for arguing with Hitler about strategy, or even flatly disobeying him (though he tried near the end).

Thanks Unk. for the Spinrad ref. I only browsed the book; NS not one of my faves.

Narr
Nor is the NS(DAP)
Nice selfie, Fen

Fen said...

I dunno Fen: your theory is the one that says great events find people to cause them. I'm not so sure. Was there another Napoleon ready to spring into place?

It's a fair point. I have said the same about Churchill. Without him we lose WW2.

narciso said...

this is the one I was referring to,

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LKIBYC4/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

suppose stalin dies in the czars prisons, well the contest would likely have been between Trotsky and lenin, but their methods are much the same, maybe dzerzhinski rises to the top,

narciso said...

the second volume of the stainless steel rat, suggests an even crazier explanation for napoleon, spinrad is very left wing and iconoclast, one of this most recent works was about vercintorix, the gaul chieftain that Caesar dispatched,

reader said...

This may have been noted before but it caught my eye.

https://www.althouseandmeade.com/

They provide biological and environmental services. No rat stickers though.


Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

“In Hitler, every German should have seen his own shadow, his own worst danger.”--C.Jung

traditionalguy said...

Yikes. If that's their Art, its no wonder so many Manhattan dwellers are depressed with no hope.

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

perhaps that sculpture should be a grim holocaust memorial

The Long, Twisted Shadow Cast by Nazi Medical Experiments

https://www.ifcj.org/news/stand-for-israel/the-long-twisted-shadow-cast-by-nazi-medical-experiments-2/

KheSanh 0802 said...

Are those color swatches from Sherwin Williams on the wall?

mockturtle said...

Are those color swatches from Sherwin Williams on the wall?

No. Sherwin-Williams color swatches are far more interesting than these.

Phil said...

I believe those are Rothkos. It's impossible to grasp the power of his work from a photo. In my experience, Rothko is quite moving in person. I'd wager that the one on the left will depress you, and the one on the right will reverse that effect. Professor? Care to comment?

Nobody said...

“In Hitler, every German should have seen his own shadow, his own worst danger.”--C.Jung

Thomas Mann warned before WWI that basing the education of German youth on the work of artists, the most emotionally adventurous among us, should be illegal. Then one day they elected a failed artist, and the rest... is history.

Nobody said...

Mussolini was quite a romantic too.

Fen said...

Sherwin-Williams color swatches are far more interesting than these.

Do they happen to have SeaFoam#4 in stock? Because my Nazi Homeowners Assoc is going to fine me several hundred dollars if I don't update my front door's current SeaFoam#3 to SeaFoam#4.

If you are confused about the difference, just find SeaFoam#3 and squint a little. That's what SeaFoam#4 looks like.

Also, Maryland is a WONDERFUL place to live. No really. Anyone want to trade houses?

mockturtle said...

I'd wager that the one on the left will depress you, and the one on the right will reverse that effect.

It's always worked that way with me.

Nobody said...

I'd rather spend a couple hours looking at Van Gogh's "Almond Blossoms"

I had never heard of that picture until I stumbled upon it in the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam. Wow. My daughter rolled her eyes that I had never heard of it, but it was nice to discover it that way in the original. Same thing happened to me with Olympia at the Musee d’Orsay, wow.

OK, I went to a state school.

bagoh20 said...

Where in the world is Althouse? Did Meade find out she was White and abandon her in the woods? She's more than just a burden. She's a human being, God dammit!

Lucid-Ideas said...

Whenever I see artwork like this and hear people wax poetic about it I'm reminded that this craptastic ephemeral and seemingly harmless da-da-ism is the same sh*t that spawns piss christ.

It's diarrhea of the subconscious produced by people with mental problems (like Pollock) or on drugs or - being a political statement - turns out not to be art at all. I know I know to each their own. I'm not Hitler or Stalin saying it should be burned. I am saying you can learn a lot about a person and culture by seeing their taste, or more importantly and commonly what they are told has taste.

Modern art - especially modern art - is the kind of thing that would've been laughed at by 3 year olds 250 years ago. It's more money-laundering scheme than anything aesthetic.

There are a few exceptions in my opinion, specifically the modern absurdist work of Michael Cheval and impressionism of Turkish artist Ibrahim Balaban, but overall very few.

I think often what people 2000 years from now will think about various sculptures they find combing through a Guggenheim dig site, especially considering they might very well consider much of the broken art pieces as excavation 'fill'.

Nobody said...

your theory is the one that says great events find people to cause them.

Gell-Mann enunciated the “totalitarian principle” in physics, where he said “whatever is not forbidden to happen must happen.”

Nobody said...

It's diarrhea of the subconscious produced by people with mental problems

Fashion designers seem to greatly prefer models who resemble pretty boys in their emaciated thinness. One day, mark my words, they will put balled up socks in the women’s crotches and call it art.

rcocean said...

"Hitler was in fact a political [not military] genius and would qualify as a 'great man' based on his historical impact."

If Hitler had died in July 1940, he'd be thought of as one of the Greatest German Statesman ever. Up there with Bismark.

But then LBJ would be thought of a Great President if he'd died in June 1965.

Nobody said...

Dan Rather and Rachael Maddow should start their own network: “Fake, but inaccurate."

Howard said...

Rothko comitted suicide, so that's today's theme

rcocean said...

To me the truly amazing discovery was the oil paintings by Rembrandt and the "old masters" - they are incredible in person.

The same if true of some of the 19th Century Paintings like Eugène Delacroix at the Louvre. The sophisticates sneer at something like "Le Sacre de Napoléon" but I was amazed at the attention to detail and the imagination of the whole thing. And its 10X better in person, since you can't grasp the scope of it by just seeing a small print.

AllenS said...

Nobody said...
Dan Rather and Rachael Maddow should start their own network: “Fake, but inaccurate."

Best comment of the day.

narciso said...

Quelle surpeise:
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/06/the_emrealem_lesson_of_watergate_ignored_in_john_deans_testimony_and_media_commentary.html

Phil said...

"I am saying you can learn a lot about a person and culture by seeing their taste".

Perhaps. I used to think all modern art was garbage; but some of it - seen in person - is surprising. You mention Pollock; love it or hate it, you can't judge it from a shrunken 2D photograph. You have to see it in person. Otherwise, you're just committing the very fault you excoriate, and repeating "what you are told has taste". Don't like it? That's cool. Just don't presume to tell me what to like, or think you have insight into any other thoughts, beliefs, or tastes I may have.

narciso said...

Nothing to see here:

https://humanevents.com/2019/06/11/brexit-party-burned-ballots-voter-fraud-under-investigation/?utm_referrer=https://m.facebook.com/

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

Where in the world is Althouse?

gallery 918 at the Met. Rothko's #16

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

those are some real soul-sappers.
The earnest and charitable among us will get a headache trying to reach the level of 'sophistication and enlightenment'** required to begin to appreciate the ineffable brilliance, and perchance, be fortunate to taste a morsel from the table of these artistic gods.

**delusion

rcocean said...

Perhaps. I used to think all modern art was garbage; but some of it - seen in person - is surprising

Its NOT "garbage". Some of it is interesting. Some of it is clever. Some of it is great. Some of it is Fantastical - and sets you to thinking. I enjoyed my visit to the Picasso museum in Paris. But very little of it is up the standards of the Great Masters. And much of it, is not worth much time or interest. And that's the stuff thats in Modern Art Museums.

The Bottom line is the "Art World" grinds on - no matter what. Artists want to paint, Dealers want to sell, Buyers want to buy, etc. and it doesn't matter how mediocre the stuff is.

rcocean said...

"Where in the world is Althouse? Did Meade find out she was White and abandon her in the woods? She's more than just a burden. She's a human being, God dammit!"

Notice there's no Althouse in these pictures.

Bruce Hayden said...

In regards to alternate histories, one thing that has long bothered me is how close the Battle of Britain was. And that part of its success may have been the bombing of Berlin by the RAF, which appears to have caused Hitler-prime to switch his air force from attacking military targets to attacking civilian targets, arguably making his own bombers more vulnerable, while effectively giving British fighters and their radars safer havens. Invade, or at least seriously prepare to invade, and offer neutrality. Knock out Great Britain before heading east into Russia, at least forcing them to accept neutrality, and their oil problem probably goes away, with the Suez canal now open to them. This leaves the US without an easy jumping off point when invading N Africa and/or Europe, if the Japanese go ahead and attack Pearl Harbor, and Hitler declares war on us. But w/o Britain opposing the Japanese in Asia, the Japanese too might have been able to procure much needed oil. And without the need of the US to supply the Soviets with arms, etc, in order to take German pressure off of Great Britain, the Soviets may have had a harder time repelling the German invasion - except that the Germans may not have invaded, if they had had a secure oil supply.

Just a thought.

Nobody said...

And that part of its success may have been the bombing of Berlin by the RAF, which appears to have caused Hitler-prime to switch his air force from attacking military targets to attacking civilian targets,

That’s all in the movie The Battle of Britain, which has it that the Nazis accidentally bombed London, Churchill retaliated, and Hitler lost his cool and blew the war.

Nobody said...

My dad was in North Africa and he got there via Brazil.

JackWayne said...

Yeah, ANYONE who accepts postal voting might as well commit suicide. It’s the end of fair elections. The skids are greased here in America.

Nobody said...

He was quite impressed flying across the Amazon.

Nobody said...

ANYONE who accepts postal voting might as well commit suicide.

Postal workers were stealing absentee ballots in Florida 2000, and no, they weren’t doing it to help Bush.

rcocean said...

"Knock out Great Britain before heading east into Russia, at least forcing them to accept neutrality, and their oil problem probably goes away, with the Suez canal now open to them."

Sounds good. So, how is Hitler supposed to "knock out" the UK? The Luftwaffe can't defeat the RAF. Sealion is impossible. You don't have enough U-boats. And the USA is passing Lend-lease.

You could take Egypt. But Mussolini says he can handle it on his on. Its only after the Italians get their asses Kicked in Dec 1940, that he asks for the Africa Korps.

So, what else y'gonna do?

rcocean said...

We need to go back to voting on Election day. Do it in PERSON. That's the way to fool the Russians - and the Democrats.

rcocean said...

If you're too lazy to take 60 minutes every two years and vote in person, then you shouldn't be voting.

Gahrie said...

We need to go back to voting on Election day. Do it in PERSON.

With paper ballots, voter IDs and indelible ink on your finger.

rcocean said...

Hitler could've passed on invading the USSR in 1942, and spent his time taking Eygpt, Malta and Gibraltar. Meanwhile, Stalin is ramping up Tank Production, getting his modern fighters on line, moving his factories back to the Urals, and training another couple million men.

And you're dependent on Stalin sending you wheat and oil. He can cut it off. Or he can move into Finland and cut your Nickel supply. Or he can move into Romania and cut off your oil.

Its not as easy as it looks.

Lucid-Ideas said...

@Phil

I've seen Pollock in person. My position remains unchanged.

In other news, courtesy of Powerline, Ilhan Omar is A) a bigamist, B) a tax cheat, C) an immigration scammer, D) Incestuous, or E) All of the above.

Michelle Malkin's blog has confirmed 'Elmi' and Omar have the same father. She's blaming Trump.

I. hate. these. people.

Nobody said...

That sculpture in the center of the picture is just a fuck you to its viewers.

Drago said...

LI: "In other news, courtesy of Powerline, Ilhan Omar is A) a bigamist, B) a tax cheat, C) an immigration scammer, D) Incestuous, or E) All of the above."

The Never Trumpers absolutely adore her so stand by for a "spontaneous" outpouring if support for Omar from all the Wills/Frenchs/Kristols et al.

Next up: an article from Max Boot titled "The Conservative case for adopting bigamy in order to effectively virtue signal one's "wokeness" by marrying an already married tax cheat democrat muslim"

LLR's everywhere will shout its thesis from every rooftop......until the lefty billionaire cash runs out.

Michael K said...

And that part of its success may have been the bombing of Berlin by the RAF, which appears to have caused Hitler-prime to switch his air force from attacking military targets to attacking civilian targets,

As I recall, the Germans switched first to bombing London. Churchill retaliated. It was a huge error by Goering to have shifted from airfields to cities. Churchill describes September 6 and 7 as the shift to bombing London.

Wikipedia says the British bombed Berlin in 1940 but Berlin was at extreme range, Here is another source,.

After Luftwaffe planes had bombed London on the 24th August, (1940) probably by mistake or simply because they were unloading their bombs randomly in order to escape fighters, Churchill ordered the first deliberate bombing of the German capital.

William Shirer, the American war correspondent in Berlin, was still managing to produce independent journalism, although the censor was making his task increasingly difficult. He was preparing for his broadcast to the United States when the war arrived in Berlin for the first time

rehajm said...

or more importantly and commonly what they are told has taste.

Somebody told you to think that.

Narr said...

My father flew back from the Med by way of N.Africa, Dakar, Ascension Island, Brazil, and so on to S. Carolina (IIRC). His own plane and crew I think, and not very usual. (He went over on a liner/troopship and had cabin 22!) Must be a story there.

In deference to others I'll resist my tendency to what-if the night away.

On art, yes, if you haven't seen the work in a place or setting that's fitting, it's sometimes hard to appreciate. The Musee d'Orsay that someone mentioned, yes! That top floor of Impressionists was a marvel and a revelation to me.

And here's one: Hitler used to patronize artists in every sense. He often remarked on the value of their talents, but assured his listeners that they were mere children in the real world.

Narr
He would know

Nobody said...

I was hoping that the link Althouse posted to the state parks of New York State was a hint that Meadhouse was going to make a trip there. They are great, BTW.

rcocean said...

My father flew back from the Med by way of N.Africa, Dakar, Ascension Island, Brazil, and so on to S. Carolina (IIRC). His own plane and crew I think, and not very usual. (He went over on a liner/troopship and had cabin 22!) Must be a story there.

That's pretty close to the route FDR took to Casablanca. It must have been a standard Air Ferry Route. FDR went by train to Miami, then Air to Caribbean. Then Air to Natal Brazil. Then across the Atlantic to Sierra Leone. He spent the night on a ship to avoid any possibility of disease. Then Casablanca.

It took it easier in Nov/Dec 43. This time it was a ship to Casablanca. And then air to Cairo and Tehran and back to Casablanca.

BUMBLE BEE said...

Mockturtle... Google is correct. One America News is to the right of everyone but Hannity and Levin. They have news, (just the facts), during the day and at night they have serious conservative opinion programs. They also have factual historic PSAs throughout their programming day. Very good specials as well.
Flew in a B-17 couple years back, I'd recommend that adventure to anyone. Changed my appreciation for the "boys" of the 8th Air Force.

Howard said...

Hitler didn't like modern art neither, so you nutless cucks have that in common as swell

rcocean said...

I originally thought FDR took a flying boat to Casablanca in Jan 1943, because it was safer. And it is, if you need to make an EMERGENCY landing on water. But just landing a plane in a harbor is more dangerous then landing on an airstrip. He really took a flying boat because it was more comfortable and had longer range.

rcocean said...

"Hitler didn't like modern art neither, so you nutless cucks have that in common as swell"

Churchill didn't like Modern art. Nor did stalin or FDR.

Nobody said...

https://twitter.com/Holden114/status/1138416716415942662

Ha ha ha! Predictions of the impact of the vote to end “Net Neutrality” AKA, “Alphabet, Facebook, Netflix Protection Act.”

You would think that Youtube, Google, and Facebook had no impact on what we are allowed to see, but the men who built the network would be applying political tests to all of the traffic that they were carrying. This is what is known as “Bizzaro World” where everything is backwards.

Youtube pushes ads, and content non stop, running the videos non stop after you request one to increase there profits. Think of this as turning on the shower and filling the bath when you only wanted to flush the toilet. God help them if the people who actually carry the data should “meter the water” so to speak.

The billionaires in Silicon Valley woke up one morning and realized that they didn’t own the platform on which they had built their vast fortunes, so they called Barrack and said “remember how we helped you get elected by giving you access to the most. deepest private data of Americans? Well, we need you to do us a solid here."

Nobody said...

Don’t respond to him until he says something interesting. Seriously.

chuck said...

Man, those curves are amazing, I'm thinking Rubens :)

Lucid-Ideas said...

"Hitler didn't like modern art neither, so you nutless cucks have that in common as swell"

Since when are nutless cucks 'swell'? Oh right, for you maybe...

Narr said...

rco - I know about the air routes, I just haven't pinned down whether my father's experience was unusual or not. I know those thousands of aircraft largely ended up in stateside boneyards, but have never studied how they got there.

Narr
So much to learn

rhhardin said...

Why Hitler went to war
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQGMjDQ-TJ8

best explanation I've heard.

chuck said...

@rhardin

That was hilarious. What was frequency?

narciso said...


https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/06/elizabeth-warren-polling-at-10-in-massachusetts/

Francisco D said...

Hitler didn't like modern art neither, so you nutless cucks have that in common as swell

Seriously Howard,

You need help with your diet. You sound crabby and constipated. You can't fix stupid, but you can fix crabby.

My wife and I have a large modern art collection. We have invested over $35K in original Midwestern artists and over $15K in limited edition reprints and lithographs. We are not rich people.

Some of us conservative libertarians have good taste. You should see my home, my wardrobe, my car ...

OMG, I sound like an aging metrosexual.

bagoh20 said...

"Dan Rather and Rachael Maddow should start their own network: “Fake, but inaccurate."

And they could call it the F.B.I. network.

narciso said...

I think the problem, began with the move from representational art, or schlock like andy Warhol, that led to much more subjective standards,

Michael K said...

Blogger Howard said...
Hitler didn't like modern art neither, so you nutless cucks have that in common as swell


Howard, get help. You really are nuts. You do nothing but troll. I seem to remember a few comments of yours that made sense but it was back when you and Inga could hardly wait for Mueller to lead Trump off in handcuffs.

Remember "Fitzmas?" when you lefties thought that FitzGerald, another creepy lawyer, was going to "get" Cheney ?

You lefties are like Charlie Brown and Lucy with the football.

traditionalguy said...

Modern Art is the expression of Dissociative Personality Disorder. It impresses us, but leaves us where it finds us thanking God that our minds still work, unlike the artist.

In mental terms is is slumming among the evil shadow self lurking inside. A little goes a long way. The notion that it is courageous to face our shadow is all it offers us.

narciso said...

Fitz by the way, was running interference for Michigan state, from larry nassar's multiple sexual assaults, for a year and a half before the investigation was known, then they paid out a pittance,

madAsHell said...

One day, mark my words, they will put balled up socks in the women’s crotches and call it art.

They call it ballet.

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

...and now, in the demolition arts--

More On Hezbollah's London Bomb Making

https://www.theepochtimes.com/hezbollahs-london-bomb-making-plot-the-iran-nuclear-deal-and-bruce-ohr_2958118.html

Browndog said...

I spent 20 minutes trying to figure out why that image upset me so.

I settled on dystopia.

Man, trying to find beauty any where he can, even in the most ugly, unnatural setting.

Howard said...

Traditionalgay: thanks so much for your help in this matter is greatly appreciated. Your notes are identical to the Nazis critique of modern art in their famous exhibition
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_art

Howard said...

Francisco D. Lol

Howard said...

Fitzmas??!!??!:-&-+'. The altzheimerian synapses are quite a mystery

narciso said...

It's like jagged changa,

Andrew said...

Did anyone else see Trump's press conference? He eviscerated Biden. It's a thing of beauty.

Rusty said...

Francisco D said'
I have a chance to buy some original catoon cells. I'm not intersted in the television cells, Top Cat. But the artist animated a lot of the minor characters in The Little Mermaid. It was the last completely hand drawn animation that Disney produced.

narciso said...

Oh
https://mobile.twitter.com/jeffcimmino/status/1138458413283860482

Josephbleau said...

“Blogger Nobody said...
your theory is the one that says great events find people to cause them.

Gell-Mann enunciated the “totalitarian principle” in physics, where he said “whatever is not forbidden to happen must happen”

But with low probability (l am a frequentist.)

daskol said...

narciso said...
Oh
https://mobile.twitter.com/jeffcimmino/status/1138458413283860482


terrible rhetoric, and that's a disastrous finch. either she doesn't believe what she's saying or her political fear caused her to pause and qualify that statement in a most self-defeating way.

They are not issues that there is a fair other side.

pause for emphasis.

There is NO moral equivalency when you come to racism.

pause. flinch.

And I do no believe there is a moral equivalency when it comes to changing laws that deny women reproductive freedom.


Maybe she wonders where the reporter stands, or is thinking about pro-life people in her life or audience, but she goes from pithy and strong to flaccid word salad.

William said...

I would advise any time traveller of my acquaintance to NOT go back in time and assassinate Hitler. There's a good chance that someone like Speer might have taken over and won WWII. The better bet would be to go a few years further back and assassinate Hindenberg. Twofer. No Lenin. No Hitler......There were many attempts on Hitler's life. None on Sta!in after he became Stalin. Stalin ran a tighter ship than Hitler.

stephen cooper said...

Very few people are equipped with the essential historical knowledge necessary to being a successful time traveller.

narciso said...

That was the theme of among other things, Ken Greenwood's rewind,

daskol said...

In the Boys from Brazil, they almost assassinated 94 Hitlers.

Clyde said...

Narciso, that was Ken Grimwood's Replay, one of my favorite books from three decades agao.

daskol said...

replay. I love that book.

Clyde said...

Although Replay's time loop started in 1963 and ran through 1988. Hitler definitely wasn't involved.

narciso said...

I stand corrected, the authors masque goes back in time and tells certain things in 1969 about what's happening in the 80s, as a result certain major new deviations in the world as we might have known arise.

Clyde said...

I also had an original paperback version of Norman Spinrad's The Iron Dream that had a picture on the cover of Hitler on a motorcycle. I think the book was banned in West Germany at that time (1977).

stephen cooper said...

My best guess is that Adam and Eve were married for 3 to 7 years before their first bad day, that is where I would go back to.

Of all my ancestors, they were the kindest. Well, almost the kindest, if not the kindest. They would have been very hospitable. I don't like to travel but that would be a trip I would gladly take.

Big Mike said...

Watched “The 15:17 to Paris” on HBO just now. Wife and I also saw it in the theater. Where does this country find young men like this? Not among the SJWs!

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

if you didnt know who produced them, who's artwork would you prefer?

the Rothko's shown, or Hitler's art?

narciso said...

Neither how about someone with real artistic vision

LordSomber said...

What's German for "Schadenfreude"?

Narayanan said...

stephen cooper said...
Very few people are equipped with the essential historical knowledge necessary to being a successful time traveller

What y'all make of Eric Flint series?
Transplanting late 20th century WV town into 17th Century Central Europe

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

What's German for "Schadenfreude"?

"Shitzengiggelz"

buwaya said...

"Iron Dream" is great. Its a mad, rational hallucination, if that makes sense, which it shouldn't but does. It's a horrific tale that tells of a necessary crusade that justifies itself through its mad premises. If X then Y, of course.

Its not just mockery, though there is a lot of that.

Titus might like it, its full of truncheons, if you know what I mean.

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

What's German for "Schadenfreude"?

"wienerschnitzel" good and hard.

BleachBit-and-Hammers said...

At the "If I can do it, it ain't art" cafe.

Unknown said...

What y'all make of Eric Flint series?
Transplanting late 20th century WV town into 17th Century Central Europe


It began well, but then it started going sideways instead of forward, and I gave up on it.

Michael K said...

Transplanting late 20th century WV town into 17th Century Central Europe

There was a Tarzan novel about a modern man who discovered a society of crusaders whop became stranded in Africa.

Those books were written when Africa was "The Dark Continent." It was a pretty good story. Not much Tarzan,. as I recall. I read it as a boy.

Unknown said...

If nobody else is going to link this, I will.

Unknown said...

The late Tarzan books, except for Tarzan & The Foreign Legion, are all about finding lost societies in Africa.

Big Mike said...

@Unknown, in 1933 a German guard would have been equipped with a bolt action rifle (a Mauser 98). No "Krak Krak." Tough luck for the time traveler that he (she?) didn't just lob a grenade through the portal, and wasn't wearing body armor.

JackWayne said...

If you haven’t had your daily dose of We’re All Doomed By Man-Made Global Warming, here’s an odd piece of scare-mongering about the deep ocean.

chickelit said...

If you haven’t had your daily dose of We’re All Doomed By Man-Made Global Warming, here’s an odd piece of scare-mongering about the deep ocean.

The gist: Natural cycle of water subduction may mask global warming sea level rise. Please us more $ for further studies.

Narr said...

Time travel. Might have been Heinlein who proved with the power of logic that

1.If TT is possible then [something] therefore
2.It has been done but
3.It cannot have affected anything we can perceive because
4.How would we know?

Or something like that. It was very clever.

PJ Farmer's Riverworld series started strong but ended . . . well finally it ended.
Everyone who ever lived was reborn on a terraformed planet with population distributed by some sort of algorithm, and everyone who dies pops up again somewhere else--suicide as a means of locomotion. It was crazy and amusing for a few volumes, mixing Burton the explorer, Mark Twain, and Lothar v. Richthofen, with music by Mozart.

It just struck me that the explanation was downright Hubbardian: powerful entities manufacturing "souls" for some purpose I gave up trying to figure out.

Narr
That was a late connection

narciso said...

Yes neither of the two versions on syfy make sense:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/11/makan-delrahim-speech-lays-groundwork-for-antitrust-versus-big-tech.html

JackWayne said...

“Sadly, all those billions of gallons of sea water pouring into the mantle right now can't save us from this dangerous trend.”

The incoherent juxtaposition of 2 disparate issues is a sad example of what passes for science today. Physics has the same problem trying to convince us that Dark Matter is real.

narciso said...

Assuming that there are many such civilizations we'd need a large planet to accommodate everyone

chickelit said...

The incoherent juxtaposition of 2 disparate issues is a sad example of what passes for science today.

Note also the uncalled for injection of human emotion: -- "sadly." Sad.

eddie willers said...

I'd go back and kill Baby Muhammad.

And the Designated Hitter rule.

Unknown said...

@Narr -- this actualy came up on Usenet today in rec.arts.sf.written. As Mike Van Pelt said:

Time travel won't be invented.

When it's been invented on various timelines, some idiots keep going back in time and changing the past. They keep doing this until they've produced a timeline in which time travel is never invented. Therefore, the only timeline that remains intact is the one in which time travel is never invented.

(Props to Larry Niven for realizing this.)


As far as Riverworld goes, it started very strong with To Your Scattered Bodies Go, and dropped off pretty quickly from there. I especially disliked that it turned out we had been lied to from the get-go and a lot of what we thought we know was false. (I'm pretty sure Farmer thought it was true until he retconned it, but the effect was that we were lied to).

I did like the original motivation given for the "Ethicals" bringing back everybody: Hey, if you *could* do that, wouldn't it be ethically incumbent on you *to* do that?

JackWayne said...

Ironic that Delrahim mentioned Standard Oil. Any dispassionate survey of that anti-trust action reveals that it was a failure. It cost America and Americans a lot more than it was worth. Same for AT&T.

narciso said...

The x files type with this theory, their time travel involved super cold temperatures the eventor had gone back in time to kill jmhis colleagues

Then there Crichton's timescale that involved desintigratin ones body in the trio.

Gahrie said...

What y'all make of Eric Flint series?
Transplanting late 20th century WV town into 17th Century Central Europe


It began well, but then it started going sideways instead of forward, and I gave up on it.


The mainline books are still pretty good. The fanfic can be quite uneven. Still I liked how Flint opened his universe up...there have been diamonds among the ordinary.

Back in the 80's I loved a series of books about a Polish engineer traveling back in time we a convenient backpack full of seeds. The Tales of Conrad Starguard I believe, by a guy named Frankowski.

There was another interesting set of books around that time about a Union Civil War regiment being transported to another planet where humans were food and slaves to giant aliens mired in a Mongol/Aztec type of culture. (It was the same regiment as the one from Maine featured in Gettysburgh.) The author was a History professor named Fortschen, who has since written a number of alternate history books with Newt Gingrich.

Unknown said...

I'd go back and kill Baby Muhammad.

Harry Turtledove wrote an alt history series where the Byzantine Empire never fell because Muhammad converted to Christianity (and in fact became a minor saint).

The man has gotten more out of a Ph.D. in Byzantine history than most..

Unknown said...

The Crosstime Engineer books by Frankowski also started well, and then kind of went on too long/off the rails. I gather the author went a bitt off the rails as well.

The Lost Regiment books were pretty good. I kind of wish Forstchen had never hooked up with Gingrich as he abandoned the series in mid action when that happened. Hopefully he made a lot of money.

narciso said...

There is ultimately imperial enthropy the world pictures in that Rome themed star trek or even silverberg seems dubious

narciso said...

One notion is the mirror universe Is an extended Roman empire.

Unknown said...

One notion is the mirror universe Is an extended Roman empire.

Hmm. Well, about the only odd name we got in that one was The Tantalus Device, which is a Greek name, not Roman. Although of course the Romans sucked up Greek culture..

narciso said...

From star trek, it explains the sword and globe iconography, of course who would be left to fight after 2,000 years.

Gahrie said...

The Lost Regiment books were pretty good

Could you imagine an HBO GoT-style series based on those books? That would be awesome.

Stirling's Emberverse would too.

Unknown said...

The Lost Regiment books were pretty good

Could you imagine an HBO GoT-style series based on those books? That would be awesome.


Well if my imaginings can give impetus to any adaption, I'll save them for Harry Dresden.

rehajm said...

It’s encouraging only Ann and a few other political hardcores are paying any attention at all to the candidates despite their pleas for attention. The pleas are going to get louder and wierd-er.

BUMBLE BEE said...

NOT Science Fiction... https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/06/fbi-tragedy-elites-above-law/
From VDH!
It's good to be old.

Nobody said...

By modeling the fluxes in the deep water cycle

In other words, by guessing.

Nobody said...

but sea levels will probably rise anywhere from 6 to 16 feet over the next century

It will start any minute!

Clyde said...

If you've watched anything on the Fox broadcast network recently, you've probably seen a series of ads for the USA Women World Cup soccer team's games that they are showing on the network. The ads portray Team USA as Goliath and all of the challengers as David. Did any of the ad creators ever read the Bible and read the David and Goliath story all the way to the end? In any case, the Team USA women looked very Goliath-y in yesterday's annihilation of Thailand, 13-0.

I'm not a soccer fan, having watched maybe one or two entire games in my whole life, and those being championship games involving the USA men's team. I like a good underdog story, and from what I've heard and read, Team USA Women's soccer isn't one. They're defending champions and the heavy favorite to win the tournament, which is sort of like cheering for the New England Patriots or the Golden State Warriors. A lot of people are happy to see teams like that taken down a peg, as may be happening in the latest NBA Finals. Nobody likes Goliath except the hometown Philistines, and if someone knocks off Team USA, nobody in the rest of the world will shed a tear.

As for yesterday's historic 13-0 win, goal differential counts as a tiebreaker in the standings, so teams have to play hard the whole game. I read an article on the USA Today site where the writer said that Team USA did what they had to do, that there are no "mercy rules", that this isn't a rec league where everyone gets an orange slice and a participation trophy. If you don't like being stomped on, get better, or as Max Muncy told Madison Bumgarner, "If you don't like me watching it [the splashdown home run Muncy hit into San Francisco Bay], you can go get it out of the ocean."

On the one hand, I know how hard the women on the team have worked to become world-class athletes and to excel at their sport. On the other hand, seeing the other team play like the Washington Generals is boring unless you have Meadowlark Lemon doing trick shots.

Chuck said...

Blogger Andrew said...
Did anyone else see Trump's press conference? He eviscerated Biden. It's a thing of beauty.


I saw the South Lawn press gaggle where Trump sided with Kim Jong Un, who sends Trump beautiful letters, over the CIA, which reportedly managed to turn the Kim half-brother into an operative before he was murdered by the regime.

This latest Trump offense almost defies description,

Nobody said...

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/11/electric-blue-night-clouds-are-invading-the-u-s/

On the other hand, these were predicted by the warmies a couple of decades ago, and I have been waiting to see if they showed up. I saw some very strange high clouds yesterday with tightly undulating wispiness, maybe these were those. IDK, I saw them at daytime, not night time.

This story attributes them to the solar minimum, that’s one possible explanation.

BUMBLE BEE said...

Clyde... Sweet Georgia Brown... in my head all day! Lovin it!

rehajm said...

It will start any minute!

Always the next minute, yes. Kind of like the indictments for the leftie deep staters.

Nobody said...

While observational data from satellites show less warming than predicted by most models, Santer and his co-authors demonstrate that the observed warming is consistent with models including both human and natural forcings, but inconsistent with models using only natural forcings and variability.

So, nothing’s changed. Lukewarmers still looking right.

rehajm said...

Women’s soccer is more akin to The Patriots against tue Browns practice squad. It isn’t good optics for the Title Nines when they whinge about the lack of support for US women’s pro teams. Looks like they’re doing great horrible except for all the rest of the world...

chuck said...

> is consistent with models including both human and natural forcings.

All that is left is to discover what the forcings are and quantify them :) Need moar variables.

Robert Cook said...

"the second volume of the stainless steel rat, suggests an even crazier explanation for napoleon, spinrad is very left wing and iconoclast, one of this most recent works was about vercintorix, the gaul chieftain that Caesar dispatched,"

The Stainless Steel Rat was by Harry Harrison, (originally a comic book artist, and author of MAKE ROOM, MAKE ROOM, the source novel for the movie SOYLENT GREEN).

Robert Cook said...

"Yikes. If that's their Art, its no wonder so many Manhattan dwellers are depressed with no hope."

What makes you think "so many Manhattan dwellers are depressed with no hope?" It's not true at all.

Robert Cook said...

"Whenever I see artwork like this and hear people wax poetic about it I'm reminded that this craptastic ephemeral and seemingly harmless da-da-ism is the same sh*t that spawns piss christ."

Your point is completely undone by the fact that PISS CHRIST is a beautiful picture.

mockturtle said...

The planet will take care of itself. It is ourselves we need to worry about.

Narr said...

Unk. thanks for the reminder of the Ethicals and all that in Riverworld.
I was too confused, and frankly, bored by the end to really care.

I agree with Cook that too many people here are too willing to trash
NYC and its inhabitants with some broad brushing.

Narr
No fan o' Serrano