June 7, 2019

At the Friday Night Cafe...

... you can talk all night.

172 comments:

ndspinelli said...

I see dead people.

Ken B said...

Isn’t the “deal” with Mexico a YUGE win for Trump? YUGE.

Big Mike said...

@Ken, sure looks that way. Trump certainly has outsmarted Obrador and 100% of the pundits who predicted doom.

Ken B said...

For example, the WaPo misrepresented the tariffs by pretending they were trade policy rather than leverage to deal with the border. They called them “nasty” because they would cripple the Mexican economy. Exactly the point! And now there won’t be any , if Mexico lives up to its responsibility to control its own borders.

JackWayne said...

Think how foolish cuck Republicans like Cornyn feel right now. Delicious!

Huisache said...

Here in the middle of nowhere in southwest Texas, the Border Patrol just apprehended 37 individuals from Central Africa illegally crossing the Rio Grande. They're from Angola, Cameroon, and Congo, mostly in family units, with some young children. It's the first such group on this part of the border.

The immigrants being released in my small town are said to be about 55% children; as of Sunday, 80+ had been bused out, for a total cost of about $1400. Local churches have been proactive in helping both asylum-seekers and BP agents.

It's a mess.

Big Mike said...

Says on Instapundit that the Times has published an op-ed extolling open borders as our just reparations for the evils perpetrated by the US against Central and South American countries. Yet another example of how out of touch the left winger loonies really are.i

Lawrence Person said...

Enjoy a Friday LinkSwarm.

narciso said...

That's called begging Carlos slims for an allowance increase.

ndspinelli said...

"Let's not start sucking each other's dicks yet." Mr Wolf Pulp Fiction.

Sprezzatura said...

"@Ken, sure looks that way. Trump certainly has outsmarted Obrador and 100% of the pundits who predicted doom."

And, "There is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea."



Who is DJT outsmarting?

Carry on.

readering said...

Trump negotiation style, give me a coke or I'll shoot your dog.

BJM said...

ndspinelli said...
I see dead people.

Yup...The Doctor is out. Malcolm John Rebennack (November 20, 1941 – June 6, 2019), aka, Dr. John has died.

wildswan said...

I read a very interesting article by James Fallows written for the Atlantic in 1985. At that time, according to the article, the Democrats were calling for all the policies Trump now stands for. " If all these developments [two-tier society, shrinking middle class, de-industrialization] have, in fact, occurred, then the United States should be doing something about them. It could start by recognizing that there can be no such thing as "free trade" in a world where nations are competing for scarce work. Through tariffs or quotas or "domestic content" laws the United States should do what it takes to protect its manufacturing jobs. The government should also recognize that "capital mobility"--factory closings in some cities, new factories elsewhere--can destroy regions, families, and the very fabric of society. Therefore, the movement of capital should be slowed down, with plant-closing restrictions, public ownership, and other efforts to keep Youngstown's jobs in Youngstown. Clear in the knowledge that the natural course of events is toward disaster, the government should attempt to steer investment toward industries that will produce "good" jobs and preserve community roots." It's surprising that the Dems seem to have absolutely no memory that they were advocating Trump's program as recently as 1985.

America's Changing Economic Landscape by James Fallows
Atlantic March 1985
https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/politics/ecbig/landscap.htm

Chuck said...

Hey does anybody here know; is the Moon part of Mars? Or is Mars part of the Moon? Would the commander of the Space Force know the answer?

JackWayne said...

I’m gonna make him an offer he can’t refuse. OTW known as The Art of the Deal.

Hammond X. Gritzkofe said...

Watching Bobbitt on Amazon. Thought they were going to use that young Russian actress to play Lorena Bobbitt. Ivana Kutchakokov.

buwaya said...

"Trump negotiation style, give me a coke or I'll shoot your dog."

Thats what all negotiating is, stripping away illusions and sentiment. If you have leverage superior to your counterparty you use it.

Sprezzatura said...

'Thats what all negotiating is, stripping away illusions and sentiment. If you have leverage superior to your counterparty you use it to get nothing meaningful. Except fooling domestic rubes.'

Fixed it for ya.

SweatBee said...

I was doing some reading about aromatherapy today and came across this link to a site about "smell training" for people with anosmia. Naturally, that reminded me of our hostess, so I came here to catch up on the goings-on.

mockturtle said...

Negotiation is a lot like fencing.

Churchy LaFemme: said...

During that period, Fallows was in the "Japan is going to eat our lunch" crowd. He was in love with MITI and turned out to be spectacularly wrong: Managed economies don't work.

However, I am coming to agree with something I saw most clearly stated on the late Jerry Pournelle's blog. (Though I don't have a link or exact quote). Basically the thought was that "Yes, tarrifs and trade restrictions may raise prices some for the public, but that form of subsidy, which helps keep Americans working in productive jobs that support their communities is less destructive than the subsidies you pay with welfare for those same people when free trade puts them on the dole."

And when the choice isn't "free trade", but what we have with China, it's a no brainer.

Sprezzatura said...

"Negotiation is a lot like fencing."

I know this is the DJT era, but still most deals don't thievery.

Just sayin'

steve uhr said...

Seems pretty clear that trump simply meant the moon will be a big part of a mission to Mars, which is accurate. I’m sure trump knows Mars is a planet. (Full of martians of course)

narciso said...

Its like a boat to the azores instead of the Americas or even India

narciso said...

Yes and he was promoted to editor then Sen management the Chinese state industry sysgy operates similarly.

steve uhr said...

Polosi is successfully getting under trumps skin. She is one savvy politician.

Chuck said...


Blogger steve uhr said...
Seems pretty clear that trump simply meant the moon will be a big part of a mission to Mars, which is accurate. I’m sure trump knows Mars is a planet. (Full of martians of course)


That’s the beauty of today’s Trump idiocy. Even if Trump knew what the basic cosmology was, he proved himself incapable of articulating it. Certainly not in any clear way. Not even in a cognizable way.

JackWayne said...

That’s a pretty ridiculous statement. Please show your proof.

Sprezzatura said...

"I’m sure trump knows Mars is a planet."

Ha ha ha.

This thread started w/ the rubes praising the deal farter, now folks are confident that he knows Mars is a planet.

Next someone will note that he know nose what the nuclear triad is.

These threads are cool!

narciso said...

That's all that's on the cue card, Jack Wayne. People understand that the moon is a short stage vs Mars which is the great challenge

JackWayne said...

I was referring to Steve. I don’t bother with the pathetic gas emitted by Cuck.

Sprezzatura said...

BTW,

If yur a dude who is into Mars = yur gay. Not that there's anything wrong w/ that.

I'm into probing Venus.

narciso said...

Yes she gets under your skin, like the bugs from ceti alpha 6, or face huggers

Ken B said...

Raptors win! Despite really blatantly biased officiating.

narciso said...


Whatever rocks your boat dude:

https://youtu.be/adcleBqeCiM

Original Mike said...

"Trump certainly has outsmarted Obrador and 100% of the pundits who predicted doom."

It's not outsmarting. It's having a backbone.

JackWayne said...

Good one, Narciso!

narciso said...

Venus is a boiling acid filled hellscape,

narciso said...

I often think she looks like one of those mannequins that looks like the alien shell in men in black

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

@narciso
azores are awesome. 'relatively unspoiled'
we recommend no one go there

buwaya said...

"Nothing meaningful"

Well, unlike most things negotiated for in this world of grey issues and uncertain outcomes, as with trade wrangling, where its quite difficult to say who won, especially as there are endless confounding factors, in this case you will be able to use a rather solid metric, that of detentions on the border.

The statistics are quite interesting, in which there is a near asymptotic increase in apprehensions since AMLO effectively took over.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

Lets just say that this tripling of the crossing rate (granted border apprehensions are a proxy, but a rather good one) is hard to dismiss as having nothing to do with Mexican government policy. All these people have to cross all of Mexico, the long way. Now, if Trump gets what he wants re Mexican policy, we will see this graph show that, with a reduction to somewhere around the status quo ante AMLO. If not, not.

Quite a clear metric.

stephen cooper said...

There have been about two or three presidents who i consider to have been actual intelligent people who happened to be president rather than people who are called intelligent because they were the sort of person who became president and who for that reason got lots of phony praise.

Eisenhower was president when I was born. Very bright guy, but too busy to understand some of the more complex social issues of his day.

Garfield - the president, not the cat - was a genius. Not a super-genius, but still very bright.

And Trump makes three.

(I like Reagan but he had horrible taste in women and that is a deal breaker if you are rich ---- you cannot be rich and wise and choose a wife who even a poor man would not want to be married to ---- just saying).

By the way I hope it is Trump v Gabbard , she is an idiot, but less of an idiot by an order of magnitude than the other candidates on her side.

stephen cooper said...

That being said, Garfield the cat was, for a cat, a genius.

It took me about 30 years to understand how good that comic strip was (of course I still feel contempt for the moronic mistreatment of spiders, but that is par for the course .... even the greatest of comic strip artists fall short of being decent human beings, again and again, with almost no exceptions)

The nicest thing I can say about Scott Adams is that I used to think that he and the Garfield guy and the Far Side guy were basically the same person, the way there were three Darrens on the old Bewitched show

Sprezzatura said...

Sure buw,

Yer not being played. Just like no more nuke threat from NK. Another thing that has metrics.


Anywho re "Raptors win!" This is a North weekend. I'll miss the race, but ya can't win em' all. I'm busy MAGA-ing.

Drago said...

Durbin Cuckholster and LLR-leftist Chuck: "Hey does anybody here know; is the Moon part of Mars? Or is Mars part of the Moon? Would the commander of the Space Force know the answer?"

LOL

The Space Force has made sense for 30+ years. Trump pulled the trigger.

The Moon is absolutely understood by all parties involved to be an integral part of sustained operations for Mars.

This is what our LLR-leftist has been reduced to with the utter collapse of all his far left fever dream conspiracies.

Chin up Chuck! I hear your hero Jerry "Consumes an intern in one bite" Nadler is closing in!!

Just sit back, crack open another bottle of gin and rewatch your hundreds of hours of Maddows "brilliant" show ypu've recorded over the last 3 years.

If you close your eyes it might even feel like 2017 and Russia Russia Russia all over again!

narciso said...

Yes but she cant get any traction, despite being right with 8/10 of the issues, shes photogenic not obviously corrupt like Harris.

They were both actresses Wyman and Nancy Davis, who else was he supposed to meet up with.

Drago said...

adSs: "Yer not being played. Just like no more nuke threat from NK. Another thing that has metrics."

If you like your lefty/LLR-lefty talking points. You can keep your lefty/LLR-lefty talking points.

No one will ever take them away.

Period.

narciso said...

The point Is not only to secure the moon but the libration points around it.

buwaya said...

One day our descendants will be the Martians. Or we will not be around at all.

Humanity is like a shark, our brains create technology that can't be lived with under constraint, it can't be absorbed in stasis, we have to expand or die. Or some of us at least, have to flee that which will fester and die behind them. So Mars or bust.

Its an SF trope actually, going back forever, the settlement and terraforming of Mars. And for those reasons.

That whole thing is, in certain engineering circles, something of a religion. At Elon Musk's rocket factory in Hawthorne (I was just there, again), it is in the atmosphere. The place is full of true believers in the faith. The place is like a cathedral. The shabby entrance corridor in it is lined with pictures of successive stages of rocketry, like the stations of the cross, and the last one is on Mars.

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

Publisher or Platform? What if it doesn’t matter?

https://humanevents.com/2019/06/07/the-section-230-illusion/

JackWayne said...

Well, securing those is a standard thing. But if I wanted to scare the pants off everyone, I’d capture an asteroid that swings close to Earth. Hell of a projectile if you could aim it. Or parts of it.

Drago said...

I always enjoy reading the comments of our resident leftists and Team Iran Deal like LLR Chuck and adSs lecture others about deal making and handling NK.

Always good for a laugh are these Pelosi lap-poodles!

Sprezzatura said...

Drag,

I got still got the same doc situation. So put that in yur pipe, bro.

NK still got nukes?

Michael K said...

Any moment desitter is going to explain how he made his first billion.

"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not: nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not: the world is full of educated derelicts.

Calvin Coolidge

desitter Fixed it for you,

Drago said...

I for one would live to hear LLR Chuck expound on why moon activity is not a necessary step for long term mars focused activity.

That is if he could ever find the time to do so in between offering up racist postings and attacking children.

So, having written that, I think its clear he wont be.

Gahrie said...

the way there were three Darrens on the old Bewitched show

The only two I am aware of were Dick York and Dick Sargent.

Sprezzatura said...

Ha ha ha ha ha (or ja ja ja ja ja ja, as the illegals who are no longer coming here say).

Way up-thread when I saw: "Would the commander of the Space Force know the answer?," I thought about a comment re the resident 'space cadet' already being tucked away for sleepy time. So, we'd need to wait until morning to ask him.

But look! Doc Mike is awake!!

narciso said...

Well it's in our blood to explore, but does the cost, the distances involved and physical challenges like radiation proscribe any short term expeditions, or will it end up like the expanse.

Drago said...

adSs: "I got still got the same doc situation"

Its not relevant if you "got still got same doc".....or whatever.

buwaya said...

Just like the US is festering and dying. The brain is rotting out in your universities, and even bright people like adss can find no reason to live, beyond playing with his toys.
He is a sad fellow.

I hope our own children, or our childrens children, find a better place, to start over, taken there by their own thundering machines. They come of a restless, adventurous breed.

Gahrie said...

People understand that the moon is a short stage vs Mars which is the great challenge

First we have to take control of the orbitals, or at least prevent anyone else from doing so.

buwaya said...

Cost what it costs, and no matter the problems.
They must be solved and it must be done.

Sprezzatura said...

Logic is tricky for Drago.

Achilles said...

Original Mike said...
"Trump certainly has outsmarted Obrador and 100% of the pundits who predicted doom."

It's not outsmarting. It's having a backbone.

It isn't even having a backbone.

It is about not hating the US and the people in it, and not being a traitorous fuck selling the country out.

Big Mike said...

Gawd, it’s as certain as night following day. Good news as a direct consequence of one of Trump’s policies must Immediately be responded to by a chorus of Dumbocrats and other idiots trying ever so earnestly to explain that Trump said something stupid about something else, or went about what he did the wrong way, or the result isn’t really all that good. Very predictable.

narciso said...

Consider the span of time between vasco de gama and Magellan about 20 years.

narciso said...

We do need to get our space legs which have atrophied in this very narrow ferry operation with the shuttle and the iss.

Achilles said...

anti-de Sitter space said...
Logic is tricky for Drago.

Your logic is that Trump is so stupid he doesn't know if Mars is a planet because you took something he said and applied your lack of contextual understanding.

You think this is a smart point.

You think you are more intelligent than Trump who is infinitely more accomplished and successful than you are at pretty much everything.

You think a lot of things.

narciso said...

Instead we have wasted the last three years with this rumor passing fir data

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-official-bruce-ohr-awarded-28k-bonus-amid-russia-probe-records-indicate?fbclid=IwAR2CDcDbH2VbsnRHrsevR9tyroqN_lVfXYK2HBNtwK71lj74PcFrwdHp1pY

stephen cooper said...

Consider the span of time between Adam and Eve being happy like two young Hollywood stars at the end of a rom-com, planning to head to the local Ikea to furnish their home (including the nursery!) and Adam and Eve walking away from Paradise as if nothing mattered

Sad!

Achilles said...

Chuck said...

Blogger steve uhr said...
Seems pretty clear that trump simply meant the moon will be a big part of a mission to Mars, which is accurate. I’m sure trump knows Mars is a planet. (Full of martians of course)


That’s the beauty of today’s Trump idiocy. Even if Trump knew what the basic cosmology was, he proved himself incapable of articulating it. Certainly not in any clear way. Not even in a cognizable way.

Trump is a test.

You are failing miserably Chuck.

Every day of his presidency you look more useless and pathetic.

Nobody will ever listen to you or care what you cucks want ever again.

You are only here to be mocked as the racist useless jackass you are.

narciso said...

Well we dont really know how long that interval was, it wasn't till after sin entered the world that pain and aging didm

buwaya said...

Just about everyone in that business, and its amazing how many space outfits there are these days, have taken certain lessons to heart. They are relentlessly anti-bureaucratic, they are obsessed with efficiency, they understand standardization, re-use, modularity, and incrementalism. NASA and the other government driven systems, like the old aerospace contractors, were process-bound, and every new thing was built de novo, effectively one-offs by artisans.

narciso said...

Because that is the way exploration has gone on, they didnt wait till they built a great fleet to venture, one might argue Columbus but that was a small expedition. The trick was in charting the routes

Sprezzatura said...

Ach,

Yur version of what I wrote here would (if it was true) bolster what you wrote re me.

So that's something.

stephen cooper said...

I know an awful lot about American history and I can confidently say that Trump is one of the three or four most intelligent people who have ever been president.

(I forgot Coolidge last time I counted - Garfield, Eisenhower, and one other guy).

Narciso - how do you know I have not dreamed a hundred times that I was there, or that someone I know was not there?
That being said, nobody wants to be an expert on pain and aging.

If I were such an expert, though, I would say it was not all that long - probably only two or three years, not more than seven years.

Tell me, if you know, among the friends you have in this world, how many of them have been at their best, enjoyed life as if life was good, and might be good for a long time, for more than 3 years? Or 7 years?

Drago said...

adSs: "Logic is tricky for Drago."

This blog could sure use more lectures on logic from the Hoax Dossier/Hoax Collusion/"magic wand" economics crew!

LOL

Sprezzatura said...

"Nobody will ever listen to you or care what you cucks want ever again.

You are only here to be mocked as the racist useless jackass you are."

If you don't listen to something, you will not be able to mock it.

Lotsa folks struggle w/ logic 'round here.

narciso said...

I didnt presume, one could assume biological processes like enthropy are always at play, but what if they werent.

Drago said...
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Drago said...

adSs, at what point did you come to realize all of your hoax dossier collusion fever dreams were an obvious and transparent lie fed to the lefty and LLR-lefty rubes?

Followup: when you told your marxist pals they were wrong (and probably insane), how did they react?

Sprezzatura said...

BTW, did you nerds rid yurselves of the nurse and ritmo?

Or were they purged by Althouse, like me?

JackWayne said...

Why do you assume entropy is real?

narciso said...


Well it's something observable about physical states

https://youtu.be/rQseevpKDqw

narciso said...

I'm sure they'll be back from the under verse it's just a matter of time.

Lewis Wetzel said...

" Blogger JackWayne said...

Why do you assume entropy is real?

6/7/19, 11:41 PM"
It's tough to get around the ol' second law of thermal dynamics.

Sprezzatura said...

Why do you assume entropy is real?

Cause time don't work like x/y/z.

[BTW, if folks get into string/multi/whatevs, I'm not goin' there. Though I know I sorta opened the door. I'm here to snip and snipe.]

buwaya said...

Columbus set off with three standard European merchant ships. And not new ones at that, but well used, long in service, indeed having passed through several owners, and not in the best condition to put it mildly. The Santa Maria, the largest, was 32 years old. Its not surprising it was totalled by grounding. The Pinta was even older, past fifty years.

Its as if, in the modern day, he had scraped up three rust-bucket container ships getting close to their appointment with the breakers yard, that happened to be in some minor port, whatever someone wanted to be rid of. Columbus did his exploring on a shoestring, and it was a desperate business.

walter said...

Inga ran out of ways to crow "Trump cultists!!"
Ritmo is blocked by so many almost no one knows he still occasionally drops down his shit coated rope to fling.
Anywho..got dough to count. Lots of dough.

narciso said...

Exactly, technology that was off the shelf, but new designs as a genoese he had done some trial runs to see how far one could go

narciso said...

I didnt know they were that old, then again they had just finished a 300 year campaign against the moors

stephen cooper said...

narciso ----

Saint Elizabeth of the Trinity used to say that her greatest wish was that her fellow sisters and fellow Christians would just understand this

God takes care of us
All we have to do is ask, with hearts full of love.

You know, both Adam ( not as tall as you picture him, and not as intelligent as most people would be if they conversed with God on a regular basis - life is not fair) and Eve (many of whose genes you share, I could tell you - as a modern person with access to accurate information - how many genes out of every ten thousand genes you share with Abel and Cain, Eve's first two sons, but why would I bother, you already know what I am talking about) ---- both Adam and Eve show up in most people's dreams on a regular basis (and for those of us who pray a lot, they are almost like close friends).

Adam woke up one day, in an unfamiliar place, as an adult, the next day he got married, 3 to 7 years later something went wrong, and, as John Madden used to say, BOOM, things changed for the worse.

3 to 7 years is my best guess.

Good times, good times.

As for me, I got at most a few weeks.

Not complaining, just saying.
God loves us all, and there is no solution in this world until we recognize that there is a greater world
where all that is wrong in this world will be defeated

The bible is an exciting book when you read it from that point of view, and with the level of knowledge that one has when one knows that even Adam and Eve only had 3 to 7 years in Paradise before they walked out those gates

"the wish to pray is a prayer in itself"

Sprezzatura said...

Thanks Walt.

You've been around abit, any idea what happened to Palladian?

buwaya said...

It is obvious that you are here to snip and snipe adss.
I wonder what you get out of it. Its a strange business really.

Its as if you came to a table at some felicitous tavern, well attended and buzzing with conversation, and started tossing your drinks at people. Now, I can imagine someone doing that, but he wouldn't be normal.

Indeed, not functional in any social system. The anonymous internet is different, but not THAT different.

So again, I wonder.

narciso said...

Yes that seems a reasonable interval for the first in the garden.

Is it a particular condition you're suffering from?

Michael McNeil said...

BTW,
If yur a dude who is into Mars = yur gay. Not that there's anything wrong w/ that.
I'm into probing Venus.


Ha ha! How cute! AdSs tries his hand at generating psychological momentum hoping to turn Mars into yet another Uranus — the latter of which at this point probably only non-English speakers will ever be able to (talk about enough to) actually visit the place.

He hasn't a prayer of accomplishing this in the case of Mars, but got to appreciate the effort….

narciso said...

Hes a troll but mostly paaive aggressive compared to others who are largely aggressive

JackWayne said...

Entropy can be locally established but I think cosmological entropy is logically invalid. Matter is energy and entropy says that the energy ceases to exist. IE, destroyed. There’s an inconsistency there.

Sprezzatura said...

Buw,

A drink tosser is making a mistake.

Find mine.

narciso said...

Well you look at stars even nebula in the bigger scheme of things galaxies follow similar rules but its harder to observe that.

stephen cooper said...

narciso - no, no condition. at least none that bothers me much, of course I would prefer to have 20-20 vision without glasses and a 100 mile fastball, but I don't.

well, no, no condition xcept this:
more than anyone you have ever met I have felt compassion for nasty people.

I was born to be kind to losers, to nasty people. I have felt sorry for them since I was in kindergarten.

That is my gift.

And that is why I know that Adam was shorter than you think and why I did not praise Eve the way the pedestalizers so often do.

3 to 7 years. I know how people like that roll.

buwaya said...

"find mine"

I have no idea where to begin, because your goals are incomprehensible.
To me, anyway.
What is the point of it?

Michael McNeil said...

Entropy does not say that “energy ceases to exist”. The energy (matter) becomes disordered, and hence unavailable for any use. Both matter and energy (the same thing) can neither be created nor destroyed. Even fallen into a black hole, the mass is still there.

Churchy LaFemme: said...

Re entropy: Asimov had the answer.

narciso said...

Well she was the first mother, so in that sense. God held out a simple choice, follow my rules and things will turn out right, we seem to think that we know better.

JackWayne said...

I think it’s more logical to think of the Universe as a wave/particle like everything else in the Universe. If it’s a wave then was there a “beginning” (Big Bang) or did the wave “move” from notime/nospace into observable time and space? And one day it will “move” back to notime/nospace? Big Bang to me is a comfortable theory that raises more questions than it answers.

Sprezzatura said...

Not hard to comprehend.

Nobody here (inlc lawprof) is curing cancer.

The mush upstairs likes it.

Sprezzatura said...

Of course, I do realize that many/most think there is some point to this. I just don't know why y'all think that. Must be that problem so many have w/ logic.

I dunno.

buwaya said...

Ritmo I understand, to a degree. We are talking there of a tremendous chip on the shoulder, and serious emotional problems. Why he comes here to vent accumulated bile I don't know.

Some others are, or have been, fairly obvious political operatives, boiler room characters working from scripts or templates.

Some are honest sorts, if rather limited in scope or ability to engage.

But there are others that are not easily understood, at all.

JackWayne said...

Mass is energy. If there’s no energy, where’s the mass? What is a quark that has no energy except something that “evaporates”?

buwaya said...

We are amusing ourselves through conversation, the primary human entertainment since the cave-men learned to talk.

Have you never chatted, told stories, bantered? What do you do when at lunch or dinner in company? In a car with passengers?

narciso said...

The problem with the big bang is what came before (that would have to be some force like the prime mover or God) the movie Lucy tried to tackle how a person reaching singularity xiyld venture back through time.

narciso said...

He probably just talks to himself and answers back for good measure.

Sprezzatura said...

I'm the social butterfly on roids.

This is not that.

That is that.

This is weirdos who don't like it when their errors are identified.

Duh.

stephen cooper said...

No she was not the first mother she is the last mother, time runs backwards.

by the way i speak of these things as a lousy and failed poet, a performance artist, not as someone who knows what he is talking about.

in real life i am tested: do i take care of people who need me to take care of them?

do i work as hard as i should, am i who i should be, will i be remembered years from now as having done the right thing?



that being said I dream of Adam and Eve every night. Adam often seems nervous around me, because he knows I know what he does not know (the Bible ended for him, in my dreams, around the third chapter of Genesis, and he knows that I used to travel the country for work and would often read, exhausted after long days of work, the Gideon's Bible that was so wonderfully available in al those sad long-ago hotel rooms - you know what they looked like, the blankets that had not been cleaned in a year and the Starving Artist paintings above the bed ...

and i want to say to Adam - dude I am not flirting with your wife she is sort of like my grandmother, time does not run backward!!!


and I want to say to Eve - do not fall in love with me for the great wisdom I seem to have, I simply have read a few good lines in the Gideon's Bible, and I do not want you to think that I am fascinating because i can quote the prophets ----

and Eve says what women say in those embarrassing moments ....

and then Adam says, hey, let's take the dog for a walk

and the dog is my dog who passed away years ago, when I was young and my fiancee loved me ....

and I wake up with tears in my eyes, I never cry when I am awake, I am a grown man who does not cry

but every time old Adam in my dreams says let's take the dog for a walk and the dog hears him and we all rush to the door together ready to take that walk

I remember those 3 to 7 years with so much detail it almost gives me a heart attack every time.

narciso said...

That's an interesting way to look at it, but there has to be the first to be the last. Eve through her poor choice brought sin into the world but Adam isnt ofc the hook, whereas Mart through her devotion brought God back into the world.

buwaya said...

Er, the social butterfly would be charming, a wit.
A bon mot, or even a point. Or a counter-point.
Some flash of iridescence.

But this, what you do, it is odd.

narciso said...

The world seems to accept everything but that fundamental truth, in large part a faith even more severe than the abrahamic and in others no faith except in the worship of nature, of the body.

effinayright said...

Chuck said...

Blogger steve uhr said...
Seems pretty clear that trump simply meant the moon will be a big part of a mission to Mars, which is accurate. I’m sure trump knows Mars is a planet. (Full of martians of course)


That’s the beauty of today’s Trump idiocy. Even if Trump knew what the basic cosmology was, he proved himself incapable of articulating it. Certainly not in any clear way. Not even in a cognizable way.
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Chuckles, what the FUCK does "cosmology" have to do with any of this??

Cue Mandy Patinkin...

effinayright said...

JackWayne said...
Mass is energy. If there’s no energy, where’s the mass? What is a quark that has no energy except something that “evaporates”?
**************

e = mc*2 means that matter and energy are equivalent, NOT that they are identical. Try heating your home with ice water.

stephen cooper said...

"that's an interesting way to look at it"

Thanks for the compliment, I don't get many compliments




Martha had nice parents, so did Jesus.Most of the people whose names are recorded in the Bible had very sinful parents, Martha and Jesus were not among that number.


I remember the difference when I was younger I knew exactly which people had decent parents and which kids had alcoholic parents, or mean and stupid parents, or sad useless parents on the spectrum - as God is my witness there are few worse fates in life than having a mother or a father with Asperger's syndrome, those kids are close to God in a way you cannot imagine,, bipolar parents, nymphomaniac mothers and dads who spent the grocery money at the strip club, parents with connections to the mob ....

Please reread the prophecies of the prophets of the Old Testament - none of them predicted that the son of God would have bad parents -----
please reread the Gospels ---- Jesus was kind to everybody, as someone who had perfect parents almost always is to those losers in this world who had alcoholic parents, mean and stupid parents, sad useless parents on the spectrum, bipolar parents, nymphomaniac mothers and dads who spent the grocery money at the strip club, parents with connections to the mob ....


when you think about it, it is easy to understand why God loves us all, and feels compassion for us all.

and why i gave up being a psychologist long ago.
it is easier not to think about these things

narciso said...

Since most everything keys through Isiah although there are references even farther back, In order for mankind to be freed of sin he had to be in the lineage of David which sends back through Noah and all the prophets

stephen cooper said...

narciso - Jeremiah chapters 7 through 10 is a roller coaster but the bottom line is
God will make new again the years that the locust has eaten (Joel)

Gospace said...

readering said...
Trump negotiation style, give me a coke or I'll shoot your dog.


It works.

The goals of his negotiations can be summed up as easily as his foreign policy: America and Americans first, any other country or people second. Which should be the attitude and policy of a POTUS.

walter said...

No way The Biden can be stopped after piloting the Cancer Moonshot to such clear success.

Michael McNeil said...
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Michael McNeil said...

e = mc*2 means that matter and energy are equivalent, NOT that they are identical.

Fermionic matter (matter made of atoms and electrons or their anti-particles) is a particular kind of energy — just as photonic matter (matter made of electromagnetic waves) makes up another kind of energy — while kinetic or potential energy (et al.) are yet other kinds of energy. All kinds of energy are convertible into other types of energy (or matter).

Try heating your home with ice water.

Perfectly possible. What keeps (fully entropic) energy from being used practically isn't that that energy is either “cold” or ”hot” but that it's all the same. If you have water (or whatever) at a considerably different temperature, so that you can run a heat engine or heat pump off of it, then you can certainly heat your home. (Beyond that, one could extract, e.g., deuterium [or even uranium — if it's seawater] — from that cold water pail, fuse [or fission] it, and thereby heat your home.)

walter said...

Fermies have their own thang going on.
Just sayin'

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Crazy World said...

After all these years I just do not care how President Trump offends anyone. Suck it up buttercup MAGA

Bruce Hayden said...


You wonder why the Dems and their Deep State allies are so desperate to destroy Trump? The Mexican tariff situation is a good example. The way that it is supposed to work is that foreign negotiations are supposed to be done by State Department bureaucrats, many with prestigious credentials, and often with the bluest of blood. They believe themselves the brightest of the bright, and the best of the best. Going through the proper process is key to success in their method of engaging in foreign policy.

They all loved Crooked Hillary, because she had great credentials, and knew how to engage in proper process. She visited over 100 countries in her 4 years as Secretary of State (trusting her classified work related communications unencrypted and unsecured over airwaves controlled by these >100 foreign countries). And her major foreign policies were the turning of Libya into a violent failed state, pushing the Muslim Brotherhood, the ideological parent organization of al Quaeda, ISIS, etc, into (temporary) control of Egypt, and almost single handedly creating the European Muslim immigrant problem by backing regime change in Syria, then failing to accomplish it. Her Arab spring strategy was a fiasco, but she did it the right way, with a lot of the proper process.

Trump may not understand how to achieve foreign policy movement through having the best credentialed experts engage in proper process, but he does know how to negotiate. He repeatedly cuts through the smog and the bureaucratic BS to get his goals accomplished. Far from being the ignorant fool that they continually try to paint him as being, the reality is that the putative author of “The Art of the Deal” actually does know how to negotiate effectively and gets things done. Which, because he isn’t using properly credentialed experts or proper process, effectively destroys the legitimacy of those whose lives have been spent learning and developing proper process.

Narayanan said...

What is etymology for Entropy - =>>> Chaos will prevail over Cosmos.

In Greek chaos is disorder and cosmos is order.

Lewis Wetzel said...

While reading a stupid NY Times piece about a failed, small circulation lit magazine, I thought of two things the bourgeois will never give up on, no matter the empirical evidence:
1-Inclusion is always and everywhere a good.
2-Global warming.
The first because it allows them to transform society to their liking, the second because it allows them to transform the economy to their liking.

Lewis Wetzel said...

"Blogger Bruce Hayden said...
You wonder why the Dems and their Deep State allies are so desperate to destroy Trump? The Mexican tariff situation is a good example."
If this works to reduce illegal immigration, you have to wonder why previous presidents did not make use of it. No congressional support needed, apparently.
The conclusion has to be -- again, if it works -- that neither Clinton, not Bush, nor Obama had any interest at all in reducing illegal immigration.

Lewis Wetzel said...

Blogger wholelottasplainin' said...

JackWayne said...
Mass is energy. If there’s no energy, where’s the mass? What is a quark that has no energy except something that “evaporates”?

Something like 99% of the mass of a quark is energy (they move at nearly the speed of light). since quarks make up the mass of neutrons and protons, that means that almost all of the mass in the universe is, in fact, energy.
Duh!

Francisco D said...

Chuckles, what the FUCK does "cosmology" have to do with any of this??

There was another locker room tape involving Trump.

Remember the George Costanza "shrinkage" episode on Seinfeld?

Well, Trump pointed out Chuckles' pencil dick to some ladies passing by and made some comment about it being too small to grab.

Chuckles can't ever get over it.

exhelodrvr1 said...

"They are relentlessly anti-bureaucratic,"

Bureaucrats fear innovation more than anything, because it threatens their personal fiefdom.

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tim in vermont said...

I like Gilgamesh better than Genesis. They are similar stories, from the same region and time, but Gilgamesh is wandering in the wilderness, eating grass and watering with the animals who are not afraid of him (Peaceable Kingdom), and then a whore is sent to him who screws him non-stop for three days and nights, until he finally gets it, becomes aware, and after that, the animals fear him.

Eve giving Adam the apple of knowledge is just a Bowdlerized version of this story.

Bruce Hayden said...

“If this works to reduce illegal immigration, you have to wonder why previous presidents did not make use of it. No congressional support needed, apparently.”

Two things here.

Clinton (42) and Obama (44) are Democrats, so were at least tepidly in favor of illegal immigration. Bush (43) was backed by Chamber of Commerce Republicans, and the national group is talking about suing Trump for his tariffs on Mexican goods.

The other thing is that even though they themselves were not DC insiders, once elected, they surrounded themselves with DC insiders who knew how to get things done the DC way. In the case of GW Bush (43), while not a DC insider himself, his father, GHW Bush(41) was an insider, having been, among other things, CIA Director. And his father, Prescott Bush Bush, was a two term US Senator from Connecticut. And his father, Samuel Bush, a steel company president, worked in national resource allocation during WW I.

An interesting side thought to my first point. Obama did some damage on the illegal immigration front with his executive actions. But he didn’t seem to be spending that much effort on it. On the flip side, the place where he seemed to always be asking “why not?” was in the political militarization of our federal government. Why not attack the Tea Party by denying their organizations tax exempt status? Why not have the IRS give the DoJ records on political enemies? Why not give contractors raw FISA Title VII access to NSA databases and call it “maintenance”? Why not use the CIA to run assets at political opponents in order to generate the predicate for FISA Title I surveillance on political opponents? Facilitating much of this was political appointee DAG Sally Yates who appears to have written rules and initiated regulations seemingly designed for that purpose.

tim in vermont said...

Trump negotiation style, give me a coke or I'll shoot your dog.

Obama’s negotiating style: "Here, take it all, it’s free!” No wonder foreign leaders want us to have a president like him.

tim in vermont said...

“The term ‘unborn’ implies that there is a baby inside a pregnant woman, not a fetus. Babies are not babies until they are born. They're fetuses. Incorrectly calling a fetus a ‘baby’ or ‘the unborn’ is part of the strategy used by antiabortion groups to shift language/legality/public opinion.”. - NPR style guidance memo.

Yes, it was all a plot by right to lifers to come up with terms like “unborn child” and to say things like “I felt the baby kick today!” Before Roe v Wade, everybody said “I felt the fetus kick!”

But talk about accusing the other side of what you are doing yourself, this is a classic case of it. As I have said many times, I support there being a right to abortion, but I don’t. support dishonesty, which is why I stopped giving NPR money years and years ago and support cutting of *all* federal funds to them.

tim in vermont said...

Why is NPR a safeguard of “public opinion” anyway? Just report the facts, let the public decide for themselves! Do you really think that they are this lacking in self-awareness? If so, what a failure of education.

tim in vermont said...

If you type “She’s carrying” into Google, oddly, “my fetus” doesn’t even come up in autocomplete as a choice, what a smashing success by right to lifers!

tim in vermont said...

adds used to engage more on a factual basis until he got gun-shy about having the facts he carried here from the hot house of lefty sites where honest discussion is banned shot out from under him. Then, just like all the rest, he fell back to cryptic little comments that contain few, if any factual assertions that may come under scrutiny. He just keeps them in his head and “mocks” us for not being able to debunk his secret thoughts, secure in the knowledge that his ideas stand supreme on sites like the Daily Kos where anybody with a different point of view and an effective voice is summarily banned.

Big Mike said...

Trump negotiation style, give me a coke or I'll shoot your dog.

@readering, you brought the wrong coke — a white powder instead of a cold glass of brown, fizzy liquid. Bring out your dog.

narciso said...

Theres no lesson to gilgamesh. Its like Norse mythology
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/06/the-week-in-pictures-brutish-empire-edition.php

iowan2 said...

used to engage more on a factual basis until he got gun-shy about having the facts he carried here from the hot house of lefty sites where honest discussion is banned shot out from under him. Then, just like all the rest, he fell back to cryptic little comments that contain few, if any factual assertions that may come under scrutiny.

Have this on file for constant reference. This is the leftist entire form of debate.
Never use facts that be examined and either agreed to, or disproved. Unless you can find some factiod and assign to it some grand proxy of 'orange man bad'. LLR's have been forced into this because the winning is fast and constant.
That's why we know that the President does not fill out his tails the right way, or hoards ice cream. The one used since the Mueller scam has imploded is, Trump is subject #one, in the Cohen guilty plea, covering the Daniels NDA. While it is a fact, the loony left assigns outsize significance to a meaningless event.
Leftist abhor facts

Big Mike said...

Looks as though that little bakery just won its suit against Oberlin College — $11 million, with punitive damages still to be determined. Here’s the money quote:

“The verdict sends a strong message that colleges and universities cannot simply wind up and set loose student social justice warriors and then wash their hands of the consequences. In this case, a wholly innocent 5th-generation bakery was falsely accused of being racist and having a history [of] racial profiling after stopping three black Oberlin College students from shoplifting. The students eventually pleaded guilty, but not before large protests and boycotts intended to destroy the bakery and defame the owners. The jury appears to have accepted that Oberlin College facilitated the wrongful conduct against the bakery.”

We need good bakeries more than we need colleges like Oberlin or Evergreen.

Rusty said...

Blogger narciso said...
"Consider the span of time between vasco de gama and Magellan about 20 years."
Who was the Spanish cartographer who, when he fianally reached east Africa, on a rumor and a prayer sailed the intervening waters and wound up in India? There he found Arab traders who when they asked why he was there he rplied , "To make maps." The arab traders laughed at hime because they were there to trade. They had no interest in maps.
And that is the difference between western civilization and the rest of the world.

Rusty said...

anti-de Sitter space said...
"Logic is tricky for Drago."
How would you know?

Quaestor said...

Nobody wrote: They are similar stories, from the same region and time, but Gilgamesh is wandering in the wilderness, eating grass and watering with the animals who are not afraid of him (Peaceable Kingdom), and then a whore is sent to him who screws him non-stop for three days and nights, until he finally gets it, becomes aware, and after that, the animals fear him.

That's a good summary but it's the wrong mythological personage. The wild man who has a fling with a prostitute and gets civilized and ostracised is Enkidu, who was created by the goddess Aruru to basically kick Gilgamesh's ass. But by taming his wild nature Gilgamesh wins Enkidu's friendship and loyalty. The two go on a number of adventures against gods and monsters, but Enkidu gets killed, which leads Gilgamesh to seek out the only immortal humans, the flood survivor (and model for Noah) Utnapishtim and his wife to gain the secret of undying life. Utnapishtim shows him a magic pearl that will bestow eternal life on one who swallows it. Unfortunately, the jealous asshole gods make Gilgamesh drop the pearl, which is immediately swallowed by a snake.

tim in vermont said...

Theres no lesson to gilgamesh. Its like Norse mythology

Utter nonsense.

tim in vermont said...

I guess I better read it again.

Chuck said...

“For all of the money we are spending, NASA should NOT be talking about going to the Moon - We did that 50 years ago. They should be focused on the much bigger things we are doing, including Mars (of which the Moon is a part), Defense and Science!“

Quaestor said...

anti-de Sitter space wrote: I know this is the DJT era, but still most deals don't thievery. Just sayin'

Just sayin' nonsense.

Fix it for ya.

Fernandinande said...

I guess I better read it again.

You can watch the reruns on youtube -

The ship set ground on the shore of this
Uncharted desert isle
With Gilgamessshhh
The Skipper too
A millionaire, and his wife
A movie star
The Proffessor and Mary Ann
Here on Gilgamesh Isle

exhelodrvr1 said...

Rusty,
Was that "Prince Henry the Navigator"?

Original Mike said...

Blogger anti-de Sitter space said...
"BTW, did you nerds rid yurselves of the nurse and ritmo?
Or were they purged by Althouse, like me?"


"I got better." (in a little voice)

Original Mike said...

Chuck, serious question. Do you really believe from that that Trump doesn't know the difference between the Moon and Mars?

Chuck said...

Has anybody counted the number of wrong things in that Trump tweet? Here’s a start:

~He calls the Moon part of Mars.
~He tells us to stop talking about the Moon, and to do more talking about Mars, but even the generous interpretation for Trump is that the Moon is integral to a Mars mission.
~He says that NASA needs to be more focused on things like “...Science.” Of course we Republicans haven’t been very happy with NASA’s climate science obsessions so much.
~Are “we” actually doing something about a Mars mission? If so, where is that money coming from?

You can hardly concoct a more wrong-headed statement in 140 characters if you tried.

Fernandinande said...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1137051097955102720

"For all of the money we are spending, NASA should NOT be talking about going to the Moon - We did that 50 years ago. They should be focused on the much bigger things we are doing, including Mars (of which the Moon is a part), Defense and Science!"

The Moon is a part of the the bigger things, but I think he's getting NASA and DOD mixed up.

Original Mike said...

"~He calls the Moon part of Mars."

This is lame, even for you.

tim in vermont said...

Chuck, seriously? Pretty soon the Russians are going to ask for a refund from you if that’s the best quality you can come up with.

tim in vermont said...

Don’t explain it to him Dagwood, it’s funnier to just let him rant.

tim in vermont said...

Read it again, Chuck, slowly, maybe after taking those xanex your doc keeps telling you to take so that you are calm. You will see that it makes perfect sense.

Rusty said...

Blogger exhelodrvr1 said...
Rusty,
Was that "Prince Henry the Navigator"?
Was he some spanish guy?

Rusty said...

Blogger Chuck said...
"Has anybody counted the number of wrong things in that Trump tweet? Here’s a start:

~He calls the Moon part of Mars.
~He tells us to stop talking about the Moon, and to do more talking about Mars, but even the generous interpretation for Trump is that the Moon is integral to a Mars mission.
~He says that NASA needs to be more focused on things like “...Science.” Of course we Republicans haven’t been very happy with NASA’s climate science obsessions so much.
~Are “we” actually doing something about a Mars mission? If so, where is that money coming from?

You can hardly concoct a more wrong-headed statement in 140 characters if you tried."
You're doing pretty well.

exhelodrvr1 said...

Rusty,
Portuguese

Rusty said...

Blogger Chuck said...
"Has anybody counted the number of wrong things in that Trump tweet? Here’s a start:

~He calls the Moon part of Mars.
~He tells us to stop talking about the Moon, and to do more talking about Mars, but even the generous interpretation for Trump is that the Moon is integral to a Mars mission.
~He says that NASA needs to be more focused on things like “...Science.” Of course we Republicans haven’t been very happy with NASA’s climate science obsessions so much.
~Are “we” actually doing something about a Mars mission? If so, where is that money coming from?

You can hardly concoct a more wrong-headed statement in 140 characters if you tried."
You're doing pretty well.

Mike Smith said...

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