Althouse: "White House senior adviser Stephen Miller wants to make sure that outgoing Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen is only the first of a string of senior officials headed out the door...."

April 8, 2019

"White House senior adviser Stephen Miller wants to make sure that outgoing Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen is only the first of a string of senior officials headed out the door...."

"... as he is given more authority over immigration policy. The President has also pushed in recent weeks to reinstate the family separation policy, which Nielsen resisted.... Miller's heightened influence within the West Wing has been aided by the President, who recently told aides in an Oval Office meeting that Miller was in charge of all immigration and border related issues in the White House, according to a person familiar with the meeting. Trump administration officials say that Miller, who played key a role in Nielsen's ouster, wants the President to dismiss the director of United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, Lee Cissna, and the department's general counsel, John Mitnick. United States Secret Service Director Randolph 'Tex' Alles, is also being removed from his position... 'There is a near-systematic purge happening at the nation's second-largest national security agency'...."

From "Stephen Miller wants Trump to oust more senior leaders at Homeland Security" (CNN).

120 comments:

mockturtle said...: Purge away!; 4/8/19, 3:35 PM
Achilles said...: 'There is a near-systematic purge happening at the nation's second-largest national security agency'

Is is about fucking time.

Most of those people belong in jail.; 4/8/19, 3:36 PM
traditionalguy said...: You're Fired!; 4/8/19, 3:38 PM
Bay Area Guy said...: That damn unitary executive thing in the damn Article 2 of the damn Constitution which states:

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.

Does that mean that that sonovabitch Trump can hire and fire folks in the executive branch who don't dance to his tune - just because he was elected by the people?

Dictatorship!; 4/8/19, 3:39 PM
Original Mike said...: "...according to a person familiar with the meeting."

Uh-huh.; 4/8/19, 3:43 PM
Luke Lea said...: Glad to hear that. Miller is the only one I trust when it comes to comprehensive immigration reform -- which isn't the "comprehensive immigration reform" pushed by the leadership of both parties a few years ago. Though I know it won't happen I would personally like top see an across the moratorium (temporary pause, time-out) on all immigration until we can integrate and assimilate the 70 million or so first and second-generation immigrants (including 11 to 20 million illegals?) who are already here, the vast majority from countries with no or very weak democratic traditions. I would also like to see more research on the question of whether immigration helps or hurts the development of the poor countries from which most immigrants come. I suspect it hurts by draining the most enterprising and energetic citizens (and in the case of Africa the most educated), leaving the less able majorities behind. If anything, the flow of human capital ought to be in the opposite direction from a strictly humanitarian point of view.; 4/8/19, 3:45 PM
Balfegor said...: It would be a lot simpler if Stephen Miller could just be appointed to the Cabinet. But there's no way the Senate would consent to his appointment -- he's absolutely serious about getting control of illegal immigration and readjusting legal immigration to prioritise the interests of the natives over the colonials. That's absolutely anathema to a majority in the Senate.; 4/8/19, 3:46 PM
Lance said...: Not a single named source in that entire steaming heap of gossip.; 4/8/19, 3:46 PM
sykes.1 said...: We urgently need a wholesale house cleaning of DoJ, FBI, CIA, Homeland Security, DoD, and Congress. There are lots of empty cages in Gitmo. Fill them. Four to a cot.; 4/8/19, 3:52 PM
Mike Sylwester said...: I thought that President Trump cannot fire anyone without the permission of Robert "The FBI Whitewasher" Mueller.; 4/8/19, 3:57 PM
SDaly said...: The Secret Service head needed to go. The front desk crew at Mar-a-Lago did a better job protecting the President than the Secret Service team there.; 4/8/19, 4:01 PM
rhhardin said...: It's just a change of management, not a purge. Get something more in line with what Trump was elected for instead of opposed to it.; 4/8/19, 4:11 PM
Inga...Allie Oop said...: The Great Purge.; 4/8/19, 4:15 PM
Birkel said...: Who will be in charge of dismantling the federal public sector unions?
I'd be really quite pleased to read the article about that effort.; 4/8/19, 4:18 PM
Fen said...: White House senior adviser Stephen Miller wants to make sure that outgoing Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen is only the first of a string of senior officials headed out the door"

Clumsy syntax. "ONLY the first" implies there will be no more headed out the door. Why not use "wants to make sure she is JUST the first of a string headed out the door"?; 4/8/19, 4:19 PM
The Godfather said...: Is the problem with immigration primarily the way the law is administered? The immigration hawks on this thread seem to think so. On the other hand, I've heard that there are deficiencies in our immigration laws that make it virtually impossible to prevent large numbers of illegal immigrants from escaping into the American heartland. For example, the law seems to allow anyone who is caught trying to get into the US to make a claim for asylum, which entitles the claimant to a hearing -- and he/she must be allowed to remain in the US until the hearing (and any appeals?) can be held. But that takes time, and we can't hold the claimant indefinitely awaiting a hearing. Hence "catch and release". If the law were amended to require that all asylum applications be made in a US embassy or consulate, and then adjudicated there, before the applicant enters the US, it would end "catch and release" wouldn't it?; 4/8/19, 4:19 PM
Inga...Allie Oop said...: “The term "repression" was officially used to describe the prosecution of people considered counter-revolutionaries and enemies of the people by the leader of the Soviet Union at the time, Joseph Stalin. The purge was motivated by the desire to remove dissenters from the Communist Party and to consolidate the authority of Stalin.

According to Nikita Khrushchev's 1956 speech, "On the Cult of Personality and its Consequences," and Robert Conquest, a great number of accusations...”

Wiki; 4/8/19, 4:22 PM
Fen said...: The Great Purge.

No, merely a Swamp being drained.

The Great Purge also known as the “Great Terror,” was a brutal political campaign led by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin to eliminate dissenting members of the Communist Party and anyone else he considered a threat. Although estimates vary, most experts believe at least 750,000 people were executed during the Great Purge, which took place between about 1936 and 1938. More than a million other people were sent to forced labor camps, known as Gulags. This ruthless and bloody operation caused rampant terror throughout the U.S.S.R. and impacted the country for many years.

Try to stay away from hyperbole in your weakened mental condition. It's contraindicated.; 4/8/19, 4:25 PM
Amadeus 48 said...: Don't make no waves; don't back no losers.

That's the real Chicago Way. I'm sure they do the same thing in Queens.

I have a lefty friend who says he is amazed at the way Republicans have walked away from long-held party policy positions under Trump. I tell him I am amazed at how much Democrats hate their own long-held policy positions now that Trump is implementing them. Trump-Gephardt in 2020! Dick is 78 now, so he'll fit right in.; 4/8/19, 4:31 PM
Jim at said...: The purge was motivated by the desire to remove dissenters from the Communist Party and to consolidate the authority of Stalin.

Bullshit, Inga.
Trump is Hitler. Not Stalin.; 4/8/19, 4:36 PM
Michael K said...: Blogger Inga...Allie Oop said...
The Great Purge.<

We can hope but I won't accept it until after 25,000 have been let go. Then we move EPA to Detroit. Dept of Ed to St Louis. and Energy to Oklahoma. That will be a start.; 4/8/19, 4:36 PM
veni vidi vici said...: Free from the Russian Collusion pit-and-pendulum, Trump is now at liberty to restructure the executive as he promised.; 4/8/19, 4:39 PM
narciso said...: Who's purging who;

https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/04/it-begins-democrats-media-promote-hiring-boycott-against-dhs-secretary-nielsen-other-trump-officials/; 4/8/19, 4:49 PM
mockturtle said...: Like Clemenza said in The Godfather, "It gets rid of the bad blood".; 4/8/19, 4:55 PM
Amadeus 48 said...: Inga--

Trump is cleaning house in a part of his administration that has failed to deal successfully with an issue that was a key part of his campaign. And in case you missed the news last week, the Secret Service failed again at Mar-A-Lago in a key part of their duties.

We may disagree as to whether it is possible to get control of the border with Mexico, but Sec. Neilsen and her team were not getting it done. Time to try something different.

Immigration activists and human traffickers have found the cracks in our immigration legal processes. The cracks involve children. We are not ready to deal with all those taking or sending their kids to the border claiming asylum. This wasn't done four years ago.; 4/8/19, 5:00 PM
Inga...Allie Oop said...: “Trump is cleaning house...”

Maybe he should take off his own filthy stinking ideological rags before he attempts to clean anything.; 4/8/19, 5:08 PM
Freder Frederson said...: he's absolutely serious about getting control of illegal immigration and readjusting legal immigration to prioritise the interests of the natives over the colonials.

In the context of the United States, who exactly are the "natives" and "colonials"? Surely, you can't be suggesting that Miller is more concerned about indigenous people over colonizers from Europe or forced migration from Africa.; 4/8/19, 5:11 PM
narciso said...: exactly, I think he gave her more than enough leeway, it was said that w wouldn't fire underperforming employees like Michael brown, even after major shortcomings,; 4/8/19, 5:12 PM
Inga...Allie Oop said...: Here’s just one of his filthy rags. Separating families at the border. This will go down in the history books as one of the most cruel, vile eras in the history of the US, right along with the human rights abuses of slavery and putting Japanese in camps.

“Trump's support of renewed child separation policy led to collision with Nielsen

A senior administration official believes Trump is convinced family separation has been the most effective policy at deterring asylum-seekers.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-has-months-been-urging-administration-reinstate-child-separation-policy-n992021; 4/8/19, 5:14 PM
effinayright said...: Inga...Allie Oop said...
Here’s just one of his filthy rags. Separating families at the border. This will go down in the history books as one of the most cruel, vile eras in the history of the US, right along with the human rights abuses of slavery and putting Japanese in camps.
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Utterly MORONIC.

That practice was on-going under Obama, and did you say anything?

NO

FOAD.; 4/8/19, 5:16 PM
walter said...: Speaking of stinking ideological rags..; 4/8/19, 5:16 PM
narciso said...: now the question of how the aid is allocated is important,

https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-hondurans-flee-for-the-u-s-11554661716; 4/8/19, 5:17 PM
Drago said...: "Maybe he should take off his own filthy stinking ideological rags before he attempts to clean anything."

Shorter Inga: its wrong for Trump to implement his policies.

Precisely the view of the treasonous derp staters who attempted their East German Stasi-like spy operation, disinformation Op and coup against a duly elected President.

The most undemocratic action ever taken against a duly elected President.

An action of which, interestingly, Inga heartily approves.

Discuss.; 4/8/19, 5:18 PM
FIDO said...: Trump doesn't care about Inga's opinion. He could take in Immigrant Families into Mara Largo and she would bitch about a PR move.

He doesn't really care about me because I am already on board.

What do the majority of Americans think about illegal immigration? Hint: It is far more 'Me' and far less 'Inga'.; 4/8/19, 5:20 PM
Inga...Allie Oop said...: Of course you Trumpists won’t believe this as it’s not coming out of Sean Hannity’s or Trump, your Tribal Leader’s mouth. Your cultism is now complete and probably can’t be cured.

“In defending its “zero tolerance” border policy that has caused the separation of families, the Trump administration has argued that the Obama and Bush administrations did this too. That’s misleading. Experts say there were some separations under previous administrations, but no blanket policy to prosecute parents and, therefore, separate them from their children.

“Bush and Obama did not have policies that resulted in the mass separation of parents and children like we’re seeing under the current administration,” Sarah Pierce, a policy analyst with the Migration Policy Institute, told us.

Brown told us that while the Obama administration “did separate some families,” it also tried to detain families together. In 2016, a court ruling limited how long children with their parents could be in family detention centers. That ruling confirmed that a 1997 settlement applied to both unaccompanied and accompanied minors, as we’ve explained before.”

“At that point,” Brown said, “family detention dwindled and most families were released into the US, either on their own with a notice to appear or under Alternatives to Detention, which could be an ankle bracelet or a supervised monitoring provision where they had to check in with ICE regularly until their immigration court hearing.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/did-the-obama-administration-separate-families/; 4/8/19, 5:27 PM
Inga...Allie Oop said...: Trump says...

“We should get rid of judges.”

And the Cultists nod their heads in unison.; 4/8/19, 5:30 PM
Francisco D said...: I thought that President Trump cannot fire anyone without the permission of Robert "The FBI Whitewasher" Mueller.

The timing of "The Great Purge" does not seem coincidental.

I am more and more convinced that the Mueller team was trying to control Trump's actions, if they could not take him out. Democrats and establishment Republicans were in agreement there.; 4/8/19, 5:31 PM
gspencer said...: If Steve Miller wants something done, I'm all for it.; 4/8/19, 5:32 PM
Molly said...: (eaglebeak)

Let's see--FDR put the Japanese-Americans in camps and Obama separated families at the border (it was the law).

The Democrats were the party of slavery.

So what's the Trump connection again?; 4/8/19, 5:32 PM
Inga...Allie Oop said...: Trump encourages agents to disobey the law.

“CNN’s report appeared to indicate that Trump told the border agents not to let in migrants who are seeking asylum. Such an action would break federal and international law.

In a televised portion of the event with border agents in Calexico, Trump said: “And I was telling some of the people before: If it’s full, there’s nothing you can do about it. We have some horrible court decisions that have been made over the years. It’s very unfair and that’s the way it is. But the system is full. And when it’s full, there’s nothing you can do. You have to say, ‘I’m sorry, we can’t take you.'”

Per CNN, Trump had a similar message “behind the scenes” for the agents. Except he added, in the report’s words, that “if judges give you trouble, say, ‘Sorry, judge, I can’t do it. We don’t have the room.'”

After the President left the room, CNN’s sources said, “agents sought further advice from their leaders, who told them they were not giving them that direction.”

If the agents followed the President’s direction, the agents’ leaders reportedly said, they would be personally liable for their actions.; 4/8/19, 5:37 PM
Jim at said...: Separating families at the border.

It's the law, you cupid stunt. It's been the law since 1997.; 4/8/19, 5:39 PM
Inga...Allie Oop said...: “Judge Blocks Trump Policy Of Returning Asylum Seekers To Mexico

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — A U.S. judge in San Francisco has blocked the Trump administration’s policy of returning asylum seekers to Mexico as they wait for a court to hear their cases, but the order won’t immediately go into effect.

Judge Richard Seeborg on Monday granted a request by civil liberties groups to halt the practice while their lawsuit moves forward. The decision is on hold until Friday to give U.S. officials the chance to appeal.”; 4/8/19, 5:41 PM
narciso said...: of course the flores settlement, ignore the law then, and the late judge Reinhardt did the same with subsequent precedent, in the 2017 update,; 4/8/19, 5:41 PM
Fen said...: "Maybe Trump should take off his own filthy stinking ideological rags before he attempts to clean anything."

Says the limo liberal from behind the wall of her all-white and fenced-in community.; 4/8/19, 5:43 PM
FIDO said...: The more these stupid partisan liberal Ninth Circuit Cock Holsters overstep their authority, the less we will listen to that last bastion of Liberalism unrestrained by popular will.

So well done there, Left. Soon all the liberal judges bleating in the world will not get you what you wish.

This is a HORRIBLE precedent...but I am left no choice.

The judiciary should be a LAGGING indicator of the public will, not Liberal Tribunes ala the Gracchi brothers.; 4/8/19, 5:45 PM
Amadeus 48 said...: Inga—you seem like a good parent and a responsible mother. Would you really take your children or grandchildren to a place where you knew that you were breaking the law with a false asylum claim? Would you go there without knowing what the law was? Trump inherited some bad consent decrees that in effect made it open season for people making false asylum claims. People adhering to the international convention should make the claim in the first country they reach after leaving the country from which they are seeking asylum. In most cases that would be Mexico or points south. This is a cynical play put together by immigration activists.

Save your dudgeon.; 4/8/19, 5:49 PM
Inga...Allie Oop said...: “Separating families at the border.”

“It's the law, you cupid stunt. It's been the law since 1997.”

WRONG.
—————————————-

“A "law to separate families" was enacted prior to April 2018, and the federal government is powerless not to enforce it.”
Rating

False

“There is no federal law that stipulates that children and parents be separated at the border, no matter how families entered the United States.

An increase in child detainees separated from parents stemmed directly from a change in enforcement policy repeatedly announced by Sessions in April and May 2018, under which adults (with or without children) are criminally prosecuted for attempting to enter the United StatesThe “zero-tolerance” policy he announced [in May 2018] sees adults who try to cross the border, many planning to seek asylum, being placed in custody and facing criminal prosecution for illegal entry.

The rumors correctly suggested that “family detention” as a whole came before the Trump administration, but as of August 2015 intact families at the border were rarely separated. Other iterations of the rumor held that the Obama administration separated more children from their parents than the Trump administration, a claim stemming from an inaccurate retelling of the fact that an influx of unaccompanied minors from Latin America crossed the border in from 2014 onward. In those instances, minor children primarily traveled without their parents.

Claims that the “law to separate families” was passed in 1997, those claims originated with a February 2018 Department of Homeland Security statement referencing “[l]egal loopholes [that] are exploited by minors, family units, and human smugglers.” The DHS statement claimed existing immigration policies “create a pull factor that invites more illegal immigration and encourages parents to pay and entrust their children to criminal organizations.”

However, neither the 1997 Flores settlement nor a 2008 human trafficking law cited in that release in any way stipulated that the government separate children from their parents.”

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/; 4/8/19, 5:49 PM
narciso said...: they are political apparatchiks in legal robes, as in Israel, or the uk, or Italy to cite three examples,; 4/8/19, 5:50 PM
Fen said...: In the context of the United States, who exactly are the "natives" and "colonials"? Surely, you can't be suggesting that Miller is more concerned about indigenous people over colonizers from Europe or forced migration from Africa.

Sophomoronic. My cherokee ancestors took this land from the "native" Clovis, who in turn took it from someone else. The Europeans were late to the game.

1492 late. Why are you progressives still stuck in the past? Trying to gin up tribal violence and settle scores from over 500 years ago? What about Cain and Abel?

It's a simple problem. Our country should have immigration. But there should be rules and those rules should be enforced.; 4/8/19, 5:53 PM
WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...: entering the US illegally, - is breaking the law.
Applying for asylum, getting a court date and then disappearing - is breaking the law.; 4/8/19, 5:56 PM
WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...: A sanctuary city is unlawful. There is no law on the books that allows for a "sanctuary for all illegals - city"; 4/8/19, 5:57 PM
MacMacConnell said...: I say just build a cheap 20 foot chain-link fence along the border, then slam 12,000 volts through it. Of course we would occasionally turn off the current so the coyotes, ants, and buzzards could clean the fence.; 4/8/19, 6:15 PM
Guildofcannonballs said...: I am happy to relay it isn't too late for Trump.

400 miles of border wall would be a helluva achievement to campaign on.

Billions of bullshit miles matter, against the POTUS' and American interests.; 4/8/19, 6:27 PM
Freder Frederson said...: Trying to gin up tribal violence and settle scores from over 500 years ago?

Actually the Indian wars continued until the late nineteenth century and there were minor actions through the first quarter of the twentieth. Also, even after the end of hostilities, the U.S. government (and to be fair the Canadian and Australian governments) continued to attempt to destroy the natives through forced assimilation, prohibiting the use of native languages in schools, and other measures designed to destroy their cultures.; 4/8/19, 6:30 PM
effinayright said...: “There is no federal law that stipulates that children and parents be separated at the border, no matter how families entered the United States."
*****************

there's that fucking weasley evasion again. There may have been no "law", but there certainly was the PRACTICE of the Obama administration to separation *some* children from their families.

Those pictures of "cages" you see children housed in are from the Obama era.

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/did-the-obama-administration-separate-families/

"Brown told us that while the Obama administration “did separate some families,” it also tried to detain families together. In 2016, a court ruling [Flores] limited how long children with their parents could be in family detention centers. That ruling confirmed that ***a 1997 settlement applied to both unaccompanied and accompanied minors,*** as we’ve explained before.

“At that point,” Brown said, “family detention dwindled and most families were released into the US, either on their own with a notice to appear or under Alternatives to Detention, which could be an ankle bracelet or a supervised monitoring provision where they had to check in with ICE regularly until their immigration court hearing.”

On June 20, President Donald Trump signed an executive order directing Nielsen to keep families in custody together “during the pendency of any criminal improper entry or immigration proceedings involving their members” at least “to the extent permitted by law and subject to the availability of appropriations.”

FOAD, you ugly hoo-ha.; 4/8/19, 6:33 PM
BlackjohnX said...: I'm a daily visitor to the blog - thanks to Althouse for her linking to interesting articles (usually), thus providing a venue for intelligent exchanges of views which encourage thoughtful examination of one's own opinions. However, I've reached the point whenever I see Inga or Chuck entries, I just slide on by. It is tiresome to bathe in unrelenting hate.; 4/8/19, 6:37 PM
Inga...Allie Oop said...: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2018/jun/06/what-you-need-know-about-trump-administrations-zer/

“President Donald Trump has said Democrats need to be pressured to end a "horrible law" that separates children from their parents at U.S. borders.

But Democrats including Oregon Sen. Jeff Merkley counter that Trump is the one to blame for a "cruel new child separation policy."

What exactly is going on?

There is no law mandating the separation of families, contrary to Trump’s claims.

However, the Trump administration has introduced a "zero-tolerance" policy calling for the prosecution of all individuals who illegally enter the United States.

This policy has the effect of separating parents from their children when they enter the country together, because parents are referred for prosecution and the children are placed in the custody of a sponsor, such as a relative or foster home, or held in a shelter.

Zero-tolerance’ policy
The Trump administration has justified the policy by pointing to an increase in southwest border apprehensions in 2018.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions said an "escalated effort" was needed to address a crisis at the southwest border. So Sessions directed the implementation of a new "zero-tolerance" policy to prosecute all illegal entry referrals from the Department of Homeland Security.”; 4/8/19, 6:39 PM
Guildofcannonballs said...: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053198/

Get your ass out of your head.; 4/8/19, 6:57 PM
Drago said...: Notice how Inga refuses to admit the obama admin separated families and placed children in cages.

And she never will.

Unfortunately, no family members that were separated or children placed in cages during the obama admin were named Heather Heyer.; 4/8/19, 7:03 PM
Drago said...: Watching Inga go Full LLR Chuck is amusing.; 4/8/19, 7:05 PM
Achilles said...: So the leftists are for child sex trafficking and they don't want the kids that are being abuse taken from their "parents."

We already knew leftists generally favor criminals.

It is hilarious to watch Inga pretend Obama didn't separate families.

Leftists are just terrible people. Open borders supporters hate our country.

There is no common ground with them.; 4/8/19, 7:09 PM
Charlie Currie said...: Blogger Mike Sylwester said...
I thought that President Trump cannot fire anyone without the permission of Robert "The FBI Whitewasher" Mueller.

I believe you're thinking of the Hawaiian Judge.; 4/8/19, 7:09 PM
Rosalyn C. said...: I live in a town that is "officially" 20% Hispanic but actually more like 40%. If you speak to a "brown person" chances are very high that they speak absolutely no English; they are either unfriendly and avoid eye contact or they smile and say "yes" and have no idea what you are saying. Is that behavior the result of them being here illegally? IDK, but maybe. On the other hand I have neighbors who have been in the US for over 10 years and still speak no English at all. Are they here illegally? IDK. All of this is hardly conducive to a building a cohesive community. Long time residents mourn the loss and complain about the increasing crime rate. The police department is understaffed and petty theft goes completely unprosecuted. No one is allowed to speak about any connection to being a sanctuary city. Coming soon to a town near you.; 4/8/19, 7:12 PM
Charlie Currie said...: The Great Pudge. About time they put the bureaucracy on a diet.; 4/8/19, 7:13 PM
mccullough said...: It’s up to the American people to handle the illegal immigration problem. Don’t hire these people, don’t do any thing for them. Let them starve.

Then keep shunting them to LA and SanFrancisco.

Those places become shiholes like Detroit.

People come here because they get money. Don’t give it to them.; 4/8/19, 7:30 PM
Birches said...: Bout time.; 4/8/19, 7:32 PM
mccullough said...: The LA public schools are trash. Just a warehouse for younger illegals until they drop out of school to clean pools and cut lawns for the Hollywood people.

China just laughs.

“Diversity is Your Strength, America.”

We’re becoming a third-world country.; 4/8/19, 7:33 PM
Browndog said...: I just read the court ruling, and subsequent analysis.

Total, off the hook, garbage.

Judge says Trump is following the law, but it doesn't apply in this case because the law should say what he wants it to say, and the injunction should be a catalyst to change the law to what the judge wants.

Judge admits his injunction is probably illegal, but issued it anyway citing a 9th Circuit ruling--one the Supreme Court just recently over-ruled.

Crazy.; 4/8/19, 7:34 PM
Curious George said...: "Notice how Inga refuses to admit the obama admin separated families and placed children in cages."

Inga doesn't give a rat's ass about some kid from a third world shithole. She didn't care when Obama did it, and is glad Trump is doing, because it gives her a chance to bash Trump.; 4/8/19, 7:37 PM
mccullough said...: Just send the asylum seekers to the judge’s house. Send them to his kids schools. Use eminent domain and buy a few houses on the neighborhood and house 20 families in there.

Send them to Pelosis house and her grandkids schools.

The solution is very easy. Dump them in wealthy liberal enclaves.

Then tell the police to stand down.

Use eminent domain to buy a dorm at Harvard and stick them in there.; 4/8/19, 7:40 PM
mccullough said...: Tell immigration officials to take their time in the initial
Processing of these asylum applications.

Should be like the DMV. Process two a day.; 4/8/19, 7:42 PM
roesch/voltaire said...: Yes a few families were separated during the Obama administration, see the many articles on how few, but Trump's zero tolerance policy made it wide spread and resulted in the separation of hundreds of families and more so take pride in this accomplishment because worse will follow.; 4/8/19, 7:44 PM
Michael K said...: resulted in the separation of hundreds of families and more so take pride in this accomplishment because worse will follow.

The "parents" are given the option to return to their country and keep their children. The 9th Circuit ruled they had to be separated. Why lie ?; 4/8/19, 7:49 PM
Michael K said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 4/8/19, 7:53 PM
traditionalguy said...: FTR the "cages" are room dividers designed to protect the under aged's space from other predators inside a big building used for temporary processing of the hoard of foreign invaders being bused up to the USA by Soros funded Globalist NGOs.

Evil is in the eye of the Fake Media's fake beholder.; 4/8/19, 7:53 PM
Michael K said...: continued to attempt to destroy the natives through forced assimilation, prohibiting the use of native languages in schools, and other measures designed to destroy their cultures.

Yeah. We certainly would not want them to join civilization.; 4/8/19, 7:54 PM
bagoh20 said...: You can't get all compassionate about separating families when you support enticing them to make the dangerous illegal journey in the first place. Your policy preference is exactly the reason they are put in danger and then separated. If it's a terrible thing, then stop supporting it. And if you won't stop enticing them and it's so terrible, how many families are you willing to take in personally, including all their friends and relatives who find out about your hospitality. I smell a big stinking rag of hypocrisy.; 4/8/19, 8:02 PM
bagoh20 said...: "Yeah. We certainly would not want them to join civilization."

What right do we have to force children out of a short life of poverty, disease, and stone age technology. I guess the thinking is that they don't deserve modern life, becuase it's built on the filthy rag of western law, science and philosophy. Unlike the rest of us, they don't deserve the benefits of multiculturalism for some reason. That seems a little racist. No, a lot racist.; 4/8/19, 8:12 PM
Original Mike said...: Blogger bagoh20 said..."You can't get all compassionate about separating families when you support enticing them to make the dangerous illegal journey in the first place."

All in the service of acquiring political power. It's reprehensible.; 4/8/19, 8:18 PM
mccullough said...: Let’s not romanticize Native Americans. They were commuting genocide against each other long before Europeans arrived.

The Aztecs were barbaric.

Civilization is a good thing.; 4/8/19, 8:29 PM
Guildofcannonballs said...: Trump conspired all right, with Iowahawk's buds Steel Fuckin' Panther bitches.; 4/8/19, 8:31 PM
Guildofcannonballs said...: It only takes 2-8 Rasputan messages until sinking through is all anyone can do; not to mention see through.; 4/8/19, 8:33 PM
walter said...: Blogger roesch/voltaire said...
so take pride in this accomplishment because worse will follow.
--
Hey.."no crisis" say yer peeps.
What are you talking about?
Further, what is your solution?; 4/8/19, 8:45 PM
narciso said...: Silly rabbit:

https://mobile.twitter.com/BecketAdams/status/1115429412068122626; 4/8/19, 8:49 PM
Jupiter said...: Freder Frederson said...
"... the U.S. government ... continued to attempt to destroy the natives through forced assimilation, prohibiting the use of native languages in schools, and other measures designed to destroy their cultures."

Well, then, I guess it makes perfect sense that people like you want to treat my tribe the same way.; 4/8/19, 8:53 PM
iowan2 said...: Bagoh20:You can't get all compassionate about separating families when you support enticing them to make the dangerous illegal journey in the first place. Your policy preference is exactly the reason they are put in danger and then separated. If it's a terrible thing, then stop supporting it

How many precious lives must be needlessly lost, women raped, girls forced into sex trafficking or people trapped into the drug trade before the Obama administration stops luring them here with continued grants of amnesty, legal status, work permits, and benefits?' asked Rep. Louie Gohmert. -Daily Mail (2014)

Hmmm?

(btw, if you are quoting persons that attended a meeting, Name names or you're just the same as lying); 4/8/19, 9:16 PM
Gahrie said...: When an agency has failed over the last fifty years in doing its job as the Border Patrol has (and I am NOT blaming the rank and file officers) perhaps it is time to clear shop and bring in new management.; 4/8/19, 9:17 PM
mockturtle said...: Why is anyone surprised that those unfortunates suffering from TDS can't understand simple logic?; 4/8/19, 9:17 PM
Gahrie said...: Trump's zero tolerance policy

I believe you meant to type "Trump's policy of actually enforcing the laws as written".; 4/8/19, 9:22 PM
narciso said...: Not surprising at all:
https://www.dailycaller.com/2019/04/08/sheriff-scott-israel-suspended-police-chief-opalocka/; 4/8/19, 9:22 PM
Gahrie said...: Judge admits his injunction is probably illegal, but issued it anyway citing a 9th Circuit ruling--one the Supreme Court just recently over-ruled.

At some point (and soon) the Supreme Court has to step in and rule that these courts are out of order and state explicitly that they do not have the power to dictate to the president like they keep assuming they do.; 4/8/19, 9:24 PM
Michael said...: Inga
Do children get to go to jail with their parents when the parents are arrested? Convicted and sentenced?; 4/8/19, 9:24 PM
Gahrie said...: On the other hand I have neighbors who have been in the US for over 10 years and still speak no English at all. Are they here illegally? IDK. All of this is hardly conducive to a building a cohesive community.

That depends upon what type of community you are attempting to build...; 4/8/19, 9:26 PM
Guildofcannonballs said...: I want your laddy gaga lavin'

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Ommance.

Whoa whoa whoa ... whoa whoa caught in a bad romance.

-Lady Gaga

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrO4YZeyl0I; 4/8/19, 9:29 PM
walter said...: The "but the chilllldren" bit is just a dog-eared method to deflect and avoid recognizing the need for enforcement and law(s)..while the numbers pile in.
They want to bring up Obama administration when they think it benfits them..but ignore the CBP folk from that admin sounding alarms.
They just don't give a shit about the people...just power.; 4/8/19, 9:29 PM
walter said...: Maybe getting the 16 yr olds and felons voting will help...; 4/8/19, 9:31 PM
Gahrie said...: Surely, you can't be suggesting that Miller is more concerned about indigenous people over colonizers from Europe or forced migration from Africa.

1) Anyone born in the United States is indigenous to it, so yes, that is exactly what we are suggesting.

2) If you are using "indigenous" as a phrase meaning American Indian, but excluding people born in the United states who aren't Indian then you are simply ignorant. Since al mankind originated in Africa, they're merely earlier colonizers.; 4/8/19, 9:36 PM
Birkel said...: Freder Frederson worries about Natives without recognizing it was U.S. enforcement of communism on the reservations - nobody could own real property, only the tribe - that kept them poor.
Collectivism cannot work.

Cognitive dissonance is bad.
Willful ignorance is worse.; 4/8/19, 9:41 PM
Gahrie said...: Does that mean that that sonovabitch Trump can hire and fire folks in the executive branch who don't dance to his tune - just because he was elected by the people?

Well...that depends. Most people would say he does have that power. But there is an argument, largely from the Left, that says the president cannot fire anyone subject to Senate confirmation without the consent of the Senate. That's what the whole fight was about in Johnson's impeachment. Johnson fired Stanton and the radical Republicans tried to remove him from office over it.

The issue has never really been settled.; 4/8/19, 9:41 PM
Drago said...: "But there is an argument, largely from the Left.."

But there is an argument, largely from the Left AND the LLR-left...

FIFY; 4/8/19, 9:44 PM
Birches said...: The reason family separation has become an issue is because families are now coming across the border, not single men. The cartels prefer to handle travelers with kids because it's easier to make a phony asylum claim so they give discounts.

The willful blindness of the emergency at the border by some is shameful.; 4/8/19, 9:46 PM
Birches said...: House testimony on border crisis

Last year this processing center had 60 illegals a day. This year? 800.; 4/8/19, 9:50 PM
walter said...: "travelers with kids"
Related or not..any kid will do.
No crisis!; 4/8/19, 9:54 PM
walter said...: Nancy Pelosi
‏Verified account @SpeakerPelosi
Apr 7

As Homeland Security Secretary, Kirstjen Nielsen oversaw the implementation of the Trump Admin’s increasingly toxic anti-immigrant policies. That she is reportedly resigning because she is not extreme enough for the White House’s liking is deeply alarming.; 4/8/19, 10:16 PM
chickelit said...: Nielsen's last words regarding the fate of asylum seekers were "Let them eat paste" which is, essentially, what Italian immigrants were told a century ago.; 4/8/19, 11:19 PM
walter said...: R/V,
It's the web.
No one can smell your fart-in.
Spring forward with that master plan.; 4/8/19, 11:48 PM
mccullough said...: Since the government can’t or won’t secure the borders, it makes sense to fire her and just save the salary and benefits. Might as well get rid of all of them. Just let the illegals stream over. It’s a waste of money to just process the paperwork on asylum seekers who then get into the country and skip their hearings.

Get rid of the immigration judges too. They are worthless.

There is no sense in paying people money to just hold the fucking door open for third world people who are coming here. Just leave the door open and let the American public take care of the problem.; 4/9/19, 12:34 AM
Crazy World said...: We shall send them to you Inga.; 4/9/19, 2:13 AM
Breezy said...: This is a literal human tide that seems unstoppable with our laws as is. It’s so crazy.

Who is arranging and bankrolling this? Their funds need to be frozen and they prosecuted for human trafficking.; 4/9/19, 5:56 AM
Kevin said...: That’s misleading.

So it’s true.; 4/9/19, 6:35 AM
Kevin said...: 'There is a near-systematic purge happening at the nation's second-largest national security agency'

Where are Mueller and Rosenstein?

This is clearly obstruction of immigration.; 4/9/19, 6:38 AM
Kevin said...: Remember when Pelosi and Schumer thought they’d won the issue by giving Trump “nothing” for the wall?

Good times.; 4/9/19, 6:40 AM
Kevin said...: Thank goodness this is a fake crisis.

How many Republicans who voted against Trump wish they had a do-over?; 4/9/19, 6:43 AM
Kevin said...: Time for Barr to drop the Mueller Report.

Let’s see which of the shiny things Dems are more attracted to.; 4/9/19, 6:47 AM
Nichevo said...: bagoh20 said...
You can't get all compassionate about separating families when you support enticing them to make the dangerous illegal journey in the first place. Your policy preference is

HUMAN SHIELDS. That's her policy preference. Saddam Hussein style or Mad Max style, hard to tell which. You'd expect the goodthinkers to dislike their policy preferences generating millions of rapes every year, but apparently the omelette needs more eggs.; 4/9/19, 6:58 AM
Nichevo said...: Blogger Breezy said...
This is a literal human tide that seems unstoppable with our laws as is. It’s so crazy.

Who is arranging and bankrolling this? Their funds need to be frozen and they prosecuted for human trafficking.

4/9/19, 5:56 AM

This this this. Send the FBI or whoever to Guatemala etc and find the recruiters, work back to the source. Or just send SOF to find and whack them.

Meanwhile, disseminate counter-propaganda to convince these campesinos to stay home and fix their own problems. Maybe when you send them home, supply parting gifts of bolt-action rifles and ammunition.; 4/9/19, 7:03 AM
Hagar said...: The problem is 535 people right there in Washington, D.C. who refuse to clean up the immigration laws to remove the feel-good lofty clauses that our lefty lawyer organizations are twisting and using to tie our government into knots.

The "asylum seekers" are arriving with printed instructions in hand, advising them to cross the border, find an INS agent, and tell him the magic words that will force the INS to grant them permission to stay in the U.S. until their claim can be tried in court - some years hence, if ever.; 4/9/19, 7:17 AM
Hagar said...: Laws are well and good, but in the end their implementation depend on people of good will.
The left operates in bad faith.; 4/9/19, 7:52 AM
Hunter said...: Last year, the Trump admin asked the court to let them stop separating children from their parents and start detaining them together. The court said no and declared that only Congress could amend the requirements.

Of course the Democrats (and some Republicans) in Congress don't WANT to amend it, because that would be giving away a priceless wedge issue, solving Trump's biggest PR problem. And so it remains.

To say "There is no federal law that stipulates that children and parents be separated at the border," is highly disingenuous. The law does require separation IF you are going to make a concerted effort to enforce the law and not give illegal immigrants the opportunity to vanish into the country, as roughly a third of them do (according to the hyper-conservative xenophobic bigots at Politifact). It's true that Bush and Obama did not make this concerted effort, and therefore didn't have to separate nearly as many families.

And you can say, "well, I'd rather lose track of some immigrants than break up families" but that isn't exactly a novel stance for people who don't care much about stopping illegal immigration in the first place.; 4/9/19, 8:03 AM
mockturtle said...: This this this. Send the FBI or whoever to Guatemala etc and find the recruiters, work back to the source. Or just send SOF to find and whack them.

I've heard the source is here in the US. Soros, perhaps?; 4/9/19, 9:28 AM