"I just think that there is a man that got elected President. He is in the White House. He has vast support from his base. He was elected fairly and legally. And I think what happened is that the left is so hurt by this that they have overreacted to the Presidency. Now, look, I live with a Democratic, socialist-bordering-on-communist millennial. I hear it every day.... I am not that interested in politics. I am not that interested in policy. What I was interested in was the coverage. Especially in Hollywood, there was an immense overreaction. I don’t care really about Trump that much, and I don’t care about politics. I was forced to care based on how it was covered and how people have reacted. Sure, you can be hysterical, or you can wait and vote him out of office.... I think I am an absurdist. I think politics are ridiculous.... I think the problem is that I don’t necessarily see this as interesting as fiction.... It’s interesting to have that back-and-forth pull in an interview. The only problem, however, is that I am not that political, and so, when we have this conversation, and you confront me with certain things like this, I really am, I have to say, at a loss."
Said Bret Easton Ellis, interviewed by Isaac Chotiner in The New Yorker. BEE is promoting his new book, "White," which comes out in 5 days. My excerpt leaves out all of Chotiner's contributions. Put them back in, and you can see Chotiner must believe he's made a fool out of BEE.
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182 comments:
Guess it's time to Doxx him. He's not sufficiently on board the Trump Lunacy Express.
(Next Stop: Re-election)
BEE is a dead man walking. He dared to tell the simple truth, and now the Prog World must cast him out.
As for Chotiner, that would be the same guy who kneecapped Victor Davis Hanson, right? Beneath contempt.
It’s civility bullshit to call it “hysteria”. Nor is it an overreaction, actually what is happening is that Americans are becoming used to Trump’s puerile style and under reacting. When we become numb to it, we’ve lost our own decency.
So what he's saying is that large parts of the country, many of which produce considerable amounts of different types of media, and especially Hollywood are being, dare I say, DRAMATIC?
I am not that interested in politics. Yes.
I was forced to care based on how it was covered and how people have reacted. Right.
I think politics are ridiculous Aha.
The witch hunts have to stop. The warlock trials need to cease. The babies should be deemed worthy of life. Ok. The last one is political. I don't Trust in Stork, which is a ridiculous secular salve.
You're not allowed to not care.
The insane thing is that things are actually going pretty well. It's one thing if millions of people are starving in the streets, or millions of people are being sent to forced labor camps, or there's millions of murders and rapes and suicides going on. Or we're in some sort of hellish financial collapse huge numbers of people losing their homes. But that's not what's happening here.
This is crisis that exists entirely in the minds of those on the left. It's completely manufactured. The media benefits from it, they make money by promoting and enforcing this hysteria.
Isaac Chotiner asks questions as if he's already decided what the answers should be.
Inga: It’s civility bullshit to call it “hysteria”.
Hardly. You are Exhibit A every day here. You're fucking nuts.
Mr. Ellis comes across as fairly suggestible— like he would be a terrible witness under cross-examination. He doesn’t seem to see what the implications of his answers are, or how he is being led. That, and he probably doesn’t give a fuck.
Yeah, I read the interview earlier this morning. It just amazes me how journalists don't seem to have any ability at all to recognize when they are making fools of themselves. It is one thing for anonymous commenters to do so so, but someone like Chotiner is doing so under his own name. Ms. Althouse is correct- you really should read that section's back and forth- Chotiner was being obviously foolish. Ellis' response was really good, but I doubt Chotiner even realized it.
“Hardly. You are Exhibit A every day here. You're fucking nuts.”
Says the guy who spoke of “burning” a journalist alive during the time of the Zimmerman trial. Who was that female journalist you were so hysterical about? I forgot her name.
How does he get away with saying "supposed racism"?
Inga again running around like a headless chicken.
BEE gets it perfectly right. It is hysteria and overreaction by the Left. They are still butt-hurt over losing to Trump in 2016, when the polls told them Hillary would win. They are still trying to find a way to explain the loss and/or undermine the win. Russian Collusion was their best hope, but alas, Mueller said it was not to be.
Myself, my historical batting average is .500. Half the time my guy wins, half the time he loses. I respect the office and the process, and I get over the losses. I guess others don't.
Infinite Monkeys wrote:
"Isaac Chotiner asks questions as if he's already decided what the answers should be."
Exactly. Chotiner should have just interviewed himself.
The hysterical Hillary lost butt party is a never ending party - for the hysterics.
The Stalinist hysterics.
Just another reason Americans are concerned about a POTUS who is either this dumb or this dishonest. Nothing to worry about? Eh?
“President Donald Trump seemed delighted on Thursday when he posted a screen-shot from Lou Dobbs‘ Fox Business show supposedly showing his approval polling is at 55%.
There’s just one little problem: the number is way off, and his actual approval rating according to that poll is a paltry 43%.
The Fox Business host spent a good portion of his show repeatedly fawning over a new poll from the Georgetown Institute of Politics and Public Service on Trump and the economy. Dobbs framed the poll’s findings with the graphic above, saying Trump enjoys “soaring approval” from 58% of voters for his performance on the economy, and an impressive 55% from voters overall.
To be clear: Trump’s disapproval is 55%, according to that poll. His approval rating, meanwhile, is 43%. That means his numbers are underwater by 12%.”
https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-spreads-fake-poll-on-his-soaring-approval-aired-by-foxs-lou-dobbs/
Inga learned a new word!! LOL
Good god, that's a dreadful interview. Just on the technical aspect of "how do you do a good interview."
An interview out of the Lives of Others.
Chotiner is simultaneously offering the hand of friendship, the way back into the fold, and eliciting the damning admission that BEE cannot see the error of his ways. The Stasi and the KGB were filled with Chotiners.
Don't worry Inga, even if we are numb to the Trump hysteria, we are still attuned to Hollywood, MTV, Madison Ave, and all the other great liberal institutions to guide us in the ways of decency.
"the left is so hurt by this that they have overreacted to the Presidency"
Yes, they overreacted: with a slightly different approach, they could have gotten more results to their liking. Trump did not come into office as a righty ideologue.
But they also calculated correctly: given the early efforts to spy on Trump and derail his campaign, a further escalation was necessary to cover up that egregious deep-state Dem attack; an all-out offensive would also mobilize their base and improve their prospects, especially with nice women insulted by Trump's style; and the left is in any case in go-for-broke mode, willing to destroy the very system for the sake of attaining ultimate power.
And watch certain posters in this thread prove his exact point.
They're insane. And they're insanely miserable.
The best part? They deserve every bit of it.
I know I’m just wasting my time, but in good faith, I’m going to try anyway.
Inga - since you’re the first house liberal here to knee-jerk react to this post, I’m going to ask you some simple questions:
What exact policies that Trump has put in place, has directly affected your life? Concrete examples please - was your job affected? Did you lose your house? Did you lose something else of value?
Your answer here will either solidify whether the reaction to Trump was an overreaction, or a legitimate one.
The silliness mainly comes from the participants not being willing to admit - even to themselves? - what their real motives are.
Jim at said...
And watch certain posters in this thread prove his exact point.
They're insane. And they're insanely miserable.
The best part? They deserve every bit of it.
I can only speak for myself. For my comment on this page, I want to agree with all of this:
"I just think that there is a man that got elected President. He is in the White House. He has vast support from his base. He was elected fairly and legally.
That is all true. Trump was elected president (with my vote, in Trump's razor-thin Michigan margin of victory). And I have never seen any evidence that the election was not fair and legal.
I'm a Republican. Who likes Trump's mainstream Republican federal judicial nominations.
I know that there is large and intense support for Trump among his base. I'm not part of that, because Trump is such a reprehensible person. But I am not a socialist, not a global warmist, not a Democrat, not any of the extremist left identity groups who have so much silliness to answer for.
I'm in the best of all positions. I do not have to answer for left wing extremism and I don't have to answer for Trump Cult extremism.
So have I "proven" any point that Jim might have suggested?
Blogger Inga...Allie Oop said...
Just another reason Americans are concerned about a POTUS who is either this dumb or this dishonest. Nothing to worry about? Eh?
30% of Americans are "concerned." The reason why Democrats are all kissing Al Sharpton's ring is they are scared shitless that black voters are wising up. Last poll 20% of blacks support Trump.
Then the Hispanics are figuring out that open borders are a bad idea for legal residents. 50 to 55% support Trump now.
Result: hysteria.
All your wishing won't make things turn out like you hope.
The interviewer is quite lame. Nothing worse than an indignant leftist claiming to be factual and objective.
BEE handled it reasonably well. He should just come out as a Trump supporter and be done with it, though.
They are scared of Trump because he is not a meek Republican who is afraid to fight the leftist establishment.
Thus, hysteria that is unusually over the top. They continue to work themselves up and seem increasingly unhinged in doing so.
Some of the lefties here treat Trump no worse than they would any Republican POTUS. Their posts are more interesting to read than Chuck and Inga's inane chatter.
I'm in the best of all positions. I do not have to answer for left wing extremism and I don't have to answer for Trump Cult extremism.<
You and Patterico, who used to have a good blog that focused on LA issues especially debunking the LA Times.
He went Never Trump for some reason. I am a bit concerned that he is a prosecutor in LA County.
And he admits he has lost 85% of his blog readers. You and Inga are part of a shrinking minority, Chuck. Even Ricochet is down to one NeverTrumper.
My understanding is that "good people on both sides" referred to pro- and anti-statue opinions, not demonstrators. "Rapists" was describing MS-13, not Mexicans in general. Reading the full context of both remarks (widely available) should at least lead to some doubt about the usual way they are presented.
Chotiner seems to be the sort of person who can't be convinced he is wrong on any partisan issue. My guess is he still thinks Alger Hiss was innocent, not to mention any later controversy.
Inga: It’s civility bullshit to call it “hysteria”. Nor is it an overreaction...
I'm kinda starting to enjoy Inga's exuberant semantic solecisms.
Chuck claims he's not insane with TDS.
It's going to be a great day.
I'm in the best of all positions. I do not have to answer for left wing extremism and I don't have to answer for Trump Cult extremism.
The eternal response of the GOP Establishment: "Who me? I'm not responsible for anything."
To be clear: Trump’s disapproval is 55%, according to that poll. His approval rating, meanwhile, is 43%. That means his numbers are underwater by 12%.”
What are the disapproval ratings for the MSM, Congress and the Democratic Party?
Once you accept the "premises" (if you can even call them that) of modern pseudo-liberalism--voodoo economics, State-cultism, fear of the syllogism--you've opened the doors to all kinds of derangement, TDS being only the latest manifestation.
Rasmussen had Trump's approval at 53% yesterday compared to 46% for Obama at the same time in his presidency. And to think, Obama was getting a daily tongue bath from the Media where Trump is being trashed 24/7.
I was just discussing this with my wife. She, like my sister, is more radical Trumpers than I am.
The Democrats are attacking Barr but he is an old Washington hand. Whety he will do is bring out the evidence and let it speak for itself.
Round 1 is Jeffery Craig going to jail. Everybody in DC was lobbying or in office. The majority of this is for foreign government s and they all ignored the FARA until Manafort. Now, Manafort has ethical issues. I have almost n o sympathy for him but he was treated abysmally. A SWAT team raid at 5 AM ? Roger Stone, for chrissakes, a 5 AM SWAT team raid ? Some others are now talking. Caputo was approached by a RUSSIAN national working for the FBI and told he had some dirt on Hillary. Caputo was another peripheral figure. Fortunately for him, he said no. Mueller still went after him to the tune of a million $ in legal fees.
I expect Papadopoulos to write a book. I would if I were him. He will have quite a tale. The MI6 head resigned after Trump was elected. Hmmm.
Barr will have the goods on them.
The government whores will never let it go. So on to the next level of hysteria.
Here's a quote from the interview that spoke to me: BEE is talking about his younger and quite liberal life partner and says, "And I do put myself in his shoes, and I do look at the world through his lens, because I have to. I live with him, and I love him. And I do hear this, and some of it changes my mind, and some of it doesn’t. I am certainly much more of a centrist than he is. I do listen, and I think that [lack of a] sense of neutrality—of standing in the other side’s shoes and looking at this from the other side—has bothered me among a lot of my friends and from the media." I do look at the world through his lens because I love him. Some of it changes my mind and some of it doesn't. This is what our public intercourse needs more of.
Way off topic: Israel is landing on the moon! https://spaceflightnow.com/2019/04/11/beresheet-landing-mission-status-center/ בעברית
Greg Craig indicted for his Ukraine lobbying.
Note: This precise offense led Inga to declare 30+ Marine Corps Gen Flynn a treasonous traitor.
An accusation she has never retracted.
Bill Barr is precisely everything the fake conservative LLR's have always lied about supporting.
And now here is Barr, proceeding in precisely the dignified and professional and sober way the LLR's lied about supporting, and what do the LLR's everywhere do?
Go full lefty attack mode and slur Barr at worst and at best go full "concern troll" mode in what is no doubt a precursor to attack mode.
Lesson re-learned?
LLR's will always operationally align with the far left. But only every single time.
Flynn was the first target off the CIA/FBI for reasons that have nothing to do with Trump.
They tried to destroy him because he called them out on miserable intel in Afghan and because he wrote a letter in support of a woman FBI agent who complained about McCabe.
Then he went to work for Trump and they freaked out. Trump should pardon him and hire him to carry out the Barr recommendations. He would be like a terrier with a rat.
Jim at said...
Chuck claims he's not insane with TDS.
It's going to be a great day.
Yes indeed; I do claim that.
To summarize; I regard Trump as a "kook," and "crazy" and a "jackass," and have said that I think he is personally unfit for the presidency. But I voted for him. And I have been an ardent supporter of Trump's federal judicial nominees.
Do you know who I sound like on all of that? Senator Lindsey Graham. Each one of those terms I put in quotes. Straight from Graham in 2016.
And the funny thing is that I am to the right of Graham, when it comes to negotiating legal reforms to immigration policy. I think Graham is a lot more conciliatory than I'd like. But of course Graham is there in Washington, speaking with Democrats daily. And unlike me, he gets personal pressure on the real life details of the state of affairs with immigration and border security. From the right and the left.
But yeah; unless Mitch McConnell and Graham and about three dozen other Republicans in Congress have "TDS," I really don't think I qualify.
I've never endorsed a Democrat, never voted for one in this century, and I don't subscribe to a single thing in their platform. I've been a huge fan of Justice Scalia, and the Federalist Society, and AEI, and the Manhattan Institute, and the Media Research Center, and National Review, and even Heritage for the most part. I'm arguably more "Trump" than conservatives like Jonah Goldberg, Bill Kristol, Steve Hayes or Charlie Sykes, since unlike them I voted for Trump when the general election of 2016 rolled around.
I posted a comment in April of 2018 -- A YEAR AGO -- that I didn't see much in the way of any "collusion" evidence or charges.
If all that makes me "TDS," then "TDS" has lost all meaning and usefulness as a topic of conversation.
"...and because [Flynn] wrote a letter in support of a woman FBI agent who complained about McCabe."
I have sometimes wondered if this whole thing started over a grudge McCabe had over this event.
If only somebody could define and illustrate with examples this alleged Trump "cult" I would be obliged.
Favoring deregulation?
Admitting the 'elites' are no such thing?
Disagreeing with politically motivated domestic spying?
Or is it favoring the constitutional structure that has served us well?
Name the cultish things and be specific.
Inga...Allie Oop said...
It’s civility bullshit to call it “hysteria”. Nor is it an overreaction, actually what is happening is that Americans are becoming used to Trump’s puerile style and under reacting. When we become numb to it, we’ve lost our own decency.
Inga is right.
This reaction is not hysterical. It is not an overreaction.
There are thousands of criminals and traitors in DC who are now exposed.
They were caught spying on Hillary's opponent during an election in conspiracy with her and the sitting president.
There are hundreds of people who deserve to be executed and their actions are becoming public knowledge.
They have a lot to fight for.
"I'm in the best of all positions. I do not have to answer for left wing extremism and I don't have to answer for Trump Cult extremism."
A hands clean "smear" machine.
Very helpful.
Chuck: "I'm arguably more "Trump" than conservatives like Jonah Goldberg, Bill Kristol, Steve Hayes or Charlie Sykes..."
Damning with the absolutely faintest of praise.
My cat meets that standard.
So does my toilet.
I have sometimes wondered if this whole thing started over a grudge McCabe had over this event.
I think that was the FBI's stimulus. The CIA was angry that he took the intel system out of their hands. Read, "Legacy of Ashes."
I'm arguably more "Trump" than conservatives like Jonah Goldberg, Bill Kristol, Steve Hayes or Charlie Sykes, since unlike them I voted for Trump when the general election of 2016 rolled around.
There are midgets who could clear that low bar with out leaving the ground.
Birkel said...
Chuck: "I'm arguably more "Trump" than conservatives like Jonah Goldberg, Bill Kristol, Steve Hayes or Charlie Sykes..."
Damning with the absolutely faintest of praise.
My cat meets that standard.
So does my toilet.
And so basically the entire Western World is "TDS," whatever TDS is supposed to mean now, with the exception of about 37% of the U.S. electorate.
WHERE WE GO ONE WE GO ALL! Q!!!!
Blogger Michael K said..."The CIA was angry that he took the intel system out of their hands. Read, "Legacy of Ashes.""
Who is "he", please.
Michael K at 1:53 PM
I expect Papadopoulos to write a book
Deep State Target: How I Got Caught in the Crosshairs of the Plot to Bring Down President Trump, published on March 26, 2019
Its sad that liberals in this country have now abandoned the idea of a peaceful transfer of power. That is what makes this country great and one of the reasons many countries invest in our economy because of predictability and stability. They have thrown in all away just because Orange Man bad. I wish they would grow the fuck up and move on.
General Flynn, who counseled trump on how to properly evaluate intelligence claims
Chuck, fopdoodle extraordinaire, can you name the cultish behavior?
I would assume you don't mean "supporting conservative policy prescriptions".
But then you're an ass...
General Flynn "took the intel system out of [the CIA's] hands"?
I was watching a documentary about milius a force of nature responsible for writing or script doctoring jaws apocalypse now among others and how he was blacklisted after red dawn, for nearly 20 years, then his accountant stole from him and he suffered a stroke
“White” is a great title for a book these days.
In a matter of speaking he dismissed their authority, read rieblings history of the dia to see why
This is what happens when you've become such an over-the-top raving lunatic that you can no longer backpedal back to sanity without admitting what a moron you were. At this point, the instinct is to double, triple, quadruple down on the lunacy to try to impress your ever shrinking audience of the urgency of your weakening argument.
Blogger MikeR said..."Way off topic: Israel is landing on the moon!"
If you accept a generous definition of the word "landing".
Birkel said...
Chuck, fopdoodle extraordinaire, can you name the cultish behavior?
I would assume you don't mean "supporting conservative policy prescriptions".
But then you're an ass...
Deplorable. Trumpkin. Teabagger, Bitter Clinger. Irredeemable. Wacko Bird.
Obama, Hillary, McCain, and Chuck have all individually used one or more of these terms to describe republican voters.
None of this has anything to do with Republican and Democrat. This is entirely class conflict.
Trump's greatest accomplishment is taking off the masks.
No person who actually voted for Trump has been disappointed in any way.
BEE, how were you so blind as not to know that all art must serve the Revolution?
Didn't pretty much the same thing happen just a couple of months ago, after Chotiner interviewed the conservative writer Victor Davis Hanson, whose new book is "The Case for Trump". The New Yorker published an edited transcript clearly intended to make Hanson look ridiculous and Hanson suggested that if the magazine put the full transcript up on its website, readers would probably see the interview in a very different light?
Hanson tweeted: "If Mr. Chotiner would release an accurate transcription of our 'long conversation,' there will appear wide discrepancies in tone, intent and content from the published interview."
No full transcript has ever been released, although the New Yorker seems pretty se on seeing the unredacted Mueller report.
Narciso, what doc ?
The Atlantic got in a few lefty swipes at Milius in an article about how the remake was going to be much better because it wasn't about the "Cold War."
Even so, though, if Bradley is smart he'll give them more interesting things to do than Milius gave to Patrick Swayze and Charlie Sheen, respectively. In the original Red Dawn, the Wolverines' strategy was simple: Shoot, shoot some more, and if that didn't work, use a rocket-powered grenade. Milius never offered his guerrillas a specific objective. They battled the Reds out of blind hatred, seemingly without a goal of victory.
Yeah, we sure can't hate them for shooting the dads and the teacher.
Meanwhile back at the ranch, an infamous author (deliberately unnamed in this response), who has written and sold a paltry number of books, is convinced to be interviewed about Donald Trump, the politician - and said author presents the tired, oft repeated, argument that Trump was elected - so all those who don't like his demeanor, his policies, his lies and his stupid daily attacks on actually sane law-abiding people - should shut up.
So how does this malarkey make it to the Althouse blog? For whatever reason, opposition to elected presidents has always been featured political news.
Flynn has a gofundme page. It is a good thing to do. His actions bypassing the CIA in combat saved many lives. Like Admiral Rogers, an American hero of the highest order.
gadfly,
You will be happy again on January 20, 2025.
Future President Crenshaw promises.
I don't know why people agree to be interviewed by Chotiner. He did make make Ellis sound like a fool. Interestingly, Chotiner gave Ellis the last word and he pretty much admitted as much, with an explanation (the "certain things" being mostly Ellis's own words):
--Thanks so much for talking.
--It’s interesting to have that back-and-forth pull in an interview. The only problem, however, is that I am not that political, and so, when we have this conversation, and you confront me with certain things like this, I really am, I have to say, at a loss.
Its simply called milius, he made Ron o'Neill colonel bella spell out what the Soviets role is, which if it wasmt clear in Afghanistan was clear in Chechnya and Dagestan, yes they found a more ruthless proxy In khadyrov.
Flynn's situation has yet to play out.
The initial judge who took his plea was Rudy Contreras (also involved in the FISA court and a friend of Strzok). Contreras recused himself (or was told to do so) and Flynn has yet to be sentenced.
There are a lot of connections in the whole Russia Hoax that are not talked about much. I have serious doubts that all will come out in the wash. If it did, the Church Commission would pale in comparison.
Nobody is telling you to shut up, Gadfly. But the non-stop, over-the-top, completely insane reaction to the most insignificant things Trump may or may not do takes away any legitimate criticism you might have.
When the crazy dog next door won't stop yapping at his own shadow, most people will eventually tune him out.
That's where you, your fellow leftists and the Never Trumpers are right now.
What is the goal of a partisan, force out the occupier, colonel Kilgore respected the enemy, even though he knew his role.
“Even Ricochet is down to one NeverTrumper.”
You think that says more about how “its not worth the hassle” if one speaks ill of Trump.
I believe there are still a fair number of Never (or only-if-I-have-to Trumpers) but they’d rather not get a shit storm negative reaction. So they just sit and put up with a Hannity and maybe say an amen or two when someone like Barr says something from in the Administration.
fortunately or unfortunately depending on your point of view, no one on the Dem side seems to want to reclaim those few ten thousand votes in Michigan and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania to win in 2020
The hysteria over Trump is the result of raw ignorance of Our Nations founding and the Constitution that defines the power of the federal government and lays out the 3 branches of government, and the powers of those 3 branches.
The President sits for a 4 year term. The entire House of Representative, and 1/3 of the Senate is up for election in 2 years.
The President has limited defined powers. Worst case scenario is the voters make a mistake, and correct that mistake by electing an opponent party, veto proof majorities in the House and Senate.
If that doesn't happen, then, regardless of what Joe and Mika tell their audience, nothing is askew in Capital city, and the United State marches ever forward.
Trump is demonstrably a good President. He is getting good results from implementing his policies that are all to the betterment of the United States. His detractors don't like him because he is not a politician, and cannot be controlled by political stimulus.
ou think that says more about how “its not worth the hassle” if one speaks ill of Trump.
That could be true but it was pretty open year ago. I was a member then quit in a dispute about evolution. Then a friend and member talked me into joining again, Then I got suspended for two days for using the term "TDS" which seems fairly common and not exactly obscene. So I quit again. I read some of the posts and most of the hard core Chuck types seem to be quiet or gone.
Inga: "...we’ve lost our own decency."
One cannot lose what one did not have in the first place.
A writer for the Arizona Republic had an 'article' in this morning's paper--in the NEWS section--that was just blatant Trump bashing. I emailed him about it and asked why it wasn't on the Opinion page. He replied that I'm just not ready to have my views challenged. Views challenged??!! Is that why I read the paper? I expect to read news in the newspaper, not the same unadulterated Trump-bashing narrative one can hear on any MSM program. This really is a derangement syndrome. These people are sick.
For whatever reason, opposition to elected presidents has always been featured political news.
Most of the time it was sensibly stated with real issues,. I thought Obama was an empty suit and stated my reasons before he was elected.
Several months before Obama announced his U.S. Senate bid, Jones called his old friend Cliff Kelley, a former Chicago alderman who now hosts the city’s most popular black call-in radio program.
I called Kelley last week and he recollected the private conversation as follows:
“He said, ‘Cliff, I’m gonna make me a U.S. Senator.'”
“Oh, you are? Who might that be?”
“Barack Obama.”
Jones appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama and had spent years championing the bills.
“I took all the beatings and insults and endured all the racist comments over the years from nasty Republican committee chairmen,” State Senator Rickey Hendon, the original sponsor of landmark racial profiling and videotaped confession legislation yanked away by Jones and given to Obama, complained to me at the time. “Barack didn’t have to endure any of it, yet, in the end, he got all the credit.
That's why, Now, talk about policy. You want open borders ? You want higher taxes? You want the green nude eel?
Say so.
This really is a derangement syndrome. These people are sick.<
I don't read the Republic. The little Tucson paper has the weather and some local news. I skip the national stuff. All TDS.
My wife reads it for the garden stuff,
Achilles said...
Birkel said...
"Chuck, fopdoodle extraordinaire, can you name the cultish behavior?
I would assume you don't mean 'supporting conservative policy prescriptions'."
But then you're an ass..."
Deplorable. Trumpkin. Teabagger, Bitter Clinger. Irredeemable. Wacko Bird.
Obama, Hillary, McCain, and Chuck have all individually used one or more of these terms to describe republican voters.
None of this has anything to do with Republican and Democrat. This is entirely class conflict.
Trump's greatest accomplishment is taking off the masks.
No person who actually voted for Trump has been disappointed in any way.
I'm not particularly disappointed that I voted for Trump in the general election. I was permanently disappointed when Trump became the nominee. I did not vote for Trump then.
The only time(s) that I have used the term "Deplorable" was when the Trump crowd was cheering for such objectively, horrifyingly deplorable shit that I laughingly reminded them that "deplorable" was supposed to be an epithet and not a mission statement.
"Trumpkin" I have used semi-regularly. You are a Trumpkin.
"Tea Bagger" I have used very rarely and advisedly.
"Bitter clinger" is an Obama thing. I never once voted for or supported Obama. Irredeemable, Wacko Bird. I cannot ever once using those terms.
Ellis cannot be as Frank as houllebecq the French fmr enfant terrible, charges with hate crimes remember the review in Charlie Hebdo of soumission was the provocation for that attack five years ago.
A taste of it:
https://youtu.be/JQkXtcS164U
Narciso
Submission was published on the day of the Hebdo attacks. Houellebecq’s crime occurred later when he termed Islam a stupid religion.
Michael K says: I don't read the Republic. The little Tucson paper has the weather and some local news. I skip the national stuff. All TDS.
This was in the local news, pertaining to Jan Brewer. Read it, just for the nausea.
Yeah, Phil 3:14.
The NeverTrumpers are the victims.
Poor whinging bastards.
And the policies that Trump has forwarded are the ones those same ninnies pretended they wanted.
Maybe they should take yes for an answer.
“I'm kinda starting to enjoy Inga's exuberant semantic solecisms.”
Apparently you really enjoy Trump’s. Eh?
“One cannot lose what one did not have in the first place.”
Indeed. If you had any you would not still be supporting Trump.
One strain of this comment threads intrigues me: that Flynn was deliberately targeted by McCabe (FBI) or Brennan (CIA) because they held a personal grudge against Flynn. We have:
Schumer's stated opinion that if you piss off the intelligence organizations they will strike back.
Some information suggestion that the origin (oranges) of the Trump-Russia was really to target Flynn.
The suggestion that FLynn pissed off CIA by disputing or disrespecting their work on Bengazi.
The suggestions in the comments above that Flynn pissed off McCabe by reporting on a woman who had a complaint about McCabe (I don't know anything about this story).
So, at this point it's pretty much tin-foil hat stuff; but it's not all so far fetched that I can't imagine there is something to it.
I eagerly await a response to I Callahan's challenge.
Brian Stelter republican Chuck: "The only time(s) that I have used the term "Deplorable" was when the Trump crowd was cheering for such objectively, horrifyingly deplorable shit that I
laughingly reminded them that "deplorable" was supposed to be an epithet and not a mission statement."
LLR Chuck, on this very blog, defined elections where republicans swept the Presidency (with SC appointments in the offing), the Senate and the House as a LITERAL "disaster".
An election that has given us the most conservative governance in our lifetimes.
A "disaster".
LLR Chuck continues to extol and promote other LLR's who openly and proudly proclaim themselves in favor of complete democrat rule.
All the while defending and supporting and advancing the most extreme lefty politicians and their lunatic lefty policy prescriptions.
The. Jig. Is. Completely. Up.
LLR Chuck: "I'm not particularly disappointed that I voted for Trump in the general election."
There is zero evidence that actually happened.
Zero.
"The insane thing is that things are actually going pretty well. It's one thing if millions of people are starving in the streets, or millions of people are being sent to forced labor camps, or there's millions of murders and rapes and suicides going on. Or we're in some sort of hellish financial collapse huge numbers of people losing their homes. But that's not what's happening here."
And if it was, none of the things the Left claims to care about would be operative. No immigration. No affirmative action. No gay marriage. No abortion (that didn't include the mother). Certainly no mainstreaming trannies. No tolerance for outgroups whatever. The Left seems determined to create the instability that ends up with them stood against a wall. Insane, indeed.
it certainly suggests that the case, lobbying for turkey, is why Armitage was not charged for the plame matter, it's striking how robin gritzs case is just a cipher, brennan who got most everything wrong about Islamic state, still ventures forth confidently,
Hysteria means girlfriend in Greek.
exactly, wasn't lenin who came up with the slogan 'the worse the better, as a aphorism of his strategy versus the czars,
I thought the milius example was pertinent in this case, it's the crazy years all over again, mccarry predicted it in the better angels and Shelley's heart, re franklyn Mallory,
A "disaster".
I have a small pile of recently-arrived grade B disaster movies on the table. It's hard to pick which to watch next.
There's a recent woke one where the wife is a helicopter pilot so presumably gets to participate in male heroics.
I think this one though
"A massive ice shelf has collapsed in the Russian Arctic. Intense shock waves are rocking the region. And military geologist Michael Webster and [?sic] his family's snowy wilderness hike to cut down a Christmas tree leaves them trapped by huge ice geysers, giant avalanches and enormous cracks in the permafrost. But with the help of a hard-nosed Army Colonel and their own survival instincts, can they now find a way to stop a monstrous methane explosion that threatens to destroy the entire planet?"
No heroic women in that one except protecting the child, if there is one, I'd guess.
The last disaster movie had a child who was the cause of most of the escaping trouble, and the wife died in an elevator shaft plunge anyway, to show it isn't your ordinary disaster movie where everybody lives. Plus heros with drinking problems from the last disaster seems to be a thing today too.
This could all be set right with a political disaster movie.
I particularly enjoy it when Inga is reduced to "I know you are, but what am I?" comebacks.
Such intellectual sophistication on display.
Of course, answering this is quite beyond her:
"What exact policies that Trump has put in place, has directly affected your life? Concrete examples please - was your job affected? Did you lose your house? Did you lose something else of value?
Your answer here will either solidify whether the reaction to Trump was an overreaction, or a legitimate one."
"Blogger rhhardin said...
Hysteria means girlfriend in Greek."
Rrhardin and Laslo propping up the bar somewhere. Trading observations, aphorisms, and dating advice. I'm not a fanboy but I'd be a fanboy.
Worst. Moderation. Ever.
That whole interview pretty-well summed up a particular strain of American thinking.
Either you think Trump is a racist, and therefore there is no reaction too strong to him inhabiting the Presidency.
Or you don't and nothing you say going forward will be taken seriously by large swaths of the country.
It's the classic, "Heads I win, Tails You Lose" scenario, and it illustrates why the Mueller Report will have no large-scale impact on these same people.
As far as they're concerned, Trump will always be a racist and he's still the President. The only variable in their universe which can change is to remove him from office.
And the next Republican who runs for President? Well, they'll just clearly be a racist too.
"Are you now, or have you ever been, convinced Donald Trump is not a racist?"
Because if you don't see it, it's only because you're a racist too!
You're a racist, and you're a racist, and you're a racist!
#F*CKINGDEPLORABLES
Now, what were you saying about some sort of hysteria?
It'd be a lot easier for me to believe people were especially annoyed by Trump's foibles if most of the complaints aren't the same I heard about McCain and Romney.
Known Unknown said...
Worst. Moderation. Ever.
LOL. Really.
"Yes, they overreacted: with a slightly different approach, they could have gotten more results to their liking."
-- On immigration, his signature issue, he was willing to give them the store for a wall. They said no. He'd not win re-election if they took him up on that trade he offered.
Exiled @ 5:06 - indeed.
Also - on the flip side, what are democratics offering? The destruction of all private health care, open borders, making sure illegal entrants can drive/vote, fake criminal investigations based on bogus unsubstantiated political hit pieces, tax rape. Threats threats and more threats.
steven McIntyre noted this curious thing:
https://www.enca.com/business/imf-approves-42bn-loan-ecuador?fbclid=IwAR2_3jynzZpbOh1BEIf4klmwkUV_Gy1sc_Cq7l2PqPKJ2YkAaA67fkzqtAE
And the next Republican who runs for President? Well, they'll just clearly be a racist too.
I'm hoping Dan Crenshaw from Texas. He's a tough, even-keeled dude.
Here’s something to get hysterical about, laughingly hysteria. K Gillibrand referred to tactile nuclear weapons in a recent speech. She will make our enemies feel those weapons. Perhaps they will be encased in wool or some really tactile textile.
in novelistic form, you have Donald winslow, who was always out there, notably in savages, where he was practically nc 17 in his feelings for Obama, as well as Robert gleason, the Sorbonne educated hoosier with deep tds,
so it's a mere coincidence that Ecuador receives a 4.2 billion dollar imf loan, and they they vomit up Assange as if he was Jonah in the whale,
I would be interested in seeing the timing of the beginning of the chants of " Lock her up!" and the Clinton campaign's efforts to frame Trump as Russian stooge.
Terrible interview on both sides.
New Yorker guy: "Do you worry about the self-harm of people who see things like child separation and have no emotional response?"
WTF?
All the left know is HYSTERIA.
When the narrative falls apart- they still scream hysterics.
Byron York: Barr is right, spying on Trump campaign did occur
K Gillibrand referred to tactile nuclear weapons
She will Gaddafi them with tactile nuclear weapons. This is modern probing justice.
H, Obama’s CIA set up Flynn by seating him next to a Russian female professor at some grand event. She was the only female and did not know Flynn. But McCabe used photos of Flynn and the woman to create a smear campaign that he was compromised by an affair with this “Russian asset” who was actually an unwitting academic who’d never met Flynn before or since. That’s how McCabe rolls.
"Worst. Moderation. Ever."
I would remind you that moderation in the defense of open exchange is no vice!
...(this provides an opening for a clever "virtue" retort)....
this came from Stephan halper, who has been a minor functionary for some 30 years, with even stronger fsb ties, than lokhova, who had won a settlement from the corrupt sberbank in 2015.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-craig/ex-obama-lawyer-craig-charged-in-mueller-spin-off-probe-for-lying-about-ukraine-work-idUSKCN1RN2MF
I hope some of you had the chance to watch the SpaceX Falcon Heavy launch this evening. All three booster rockets safely landed. Way more interesting than the political cesspool
I'm hoping Dan Crenshaw from Texas. He's a tough, even-keeled dude
Nikki Haley, first woman President.
Liberal heads explode.
Ecuador is a Boivarian outpost so may be it needs a loan
The Israeli Moon landing crashed on the moon. We are all not obsessed with politics,.
When all of the leftwing narratives and lies crash and burn, suddenly it's all a cesspool.
What say you about the Covington teen who was viciously and unfairly attacked by the hack press and democratic operatives, Steve Uhr?
I eagerly await a response to I Callahan's challenge.
I guess we're both going to continue waiting. To be honest, I wasn't expecting a response.
We finally have an indictment for collusion.
The predecessor regime headed by an almost respectable figure compared to Morales or Chavez did get enmeshed in the Panama papers matter
The first American probe failed as well:
https://web.archive.org/web/20101222181555/http://www.astronautix.com/craft/lunae1.htm
Bernie Bro Antifa racist-fascists did what to Candace Owens?
Candace Owens clip becomes most watched C-SPAN Twitter video from a House hearing
I really like Brett Easton Ellis' commentary, but he's strangely inarticulate here. I can't tell from the interview whether he's actually "at a loss" as he claims at the end, or just unwilling to engage on the level that the interviewer is trying to bait him into. I'd like to think the latter, that he wouldn't give the annoying ankle nipper what he wanted. Sad that a New Yorker staff writer can't seem to comprehend that BEE's concern is with, among other things, the aesthetics of "the resistance" above the dry "policy" and social justice aspects.
BEE's main point is basically: you guys look like fucking jackasses, you know? Lots of other people can see that, and it's awfully embarrassing...just thought you should know that.
steve uhr said...
I hope some of you had the chance to watch the SpaceX Falcon Heavy launch this evening. All three booster rockets safely landed. Way more interesting than the political cesspool
As soon as Ann puts up a post about the space race I will post on that. There have been several events over the last few years by spacex and blue origin and some smaller companies.
It is extraordinarily likely I know more about all of these events than you do.
The funny part is that you just decided recently that was more important than the democrat coup attempt on Trump.
Of course.
D D harriman was only off by 70 years or so. Heinleins lunar mogul Ben bova predicted a space x type project about 30 years ago in privateers.
Nonapod@1:00PM. "This is a crisis that exists entirely in the minds of those on the left."
Yes, and just like spoiled children who figure out that the louder they scream and cry, the faster they get their way, this acting up, rioting, and behaving like red guard brownshirts is a political tactic. The most telling quote of Ellis is him saying that he hopes Trump loses so that his home life, i.e his boyfriend, "can get back to normal".
It's time to stop indulging the spoiled children. Time to spank them straight, or disown them.
"I know that there is large and intense support for Trump among his base. I'm not part of that, because Trump is such a reprehensible person. But I am not a socialist, not a global warmist, not a Democrat, not any of the extremist left identity groups who have so much silliness to answer for. "
Everybody here knows what you are , Chuck. So stop with the snow job.
Chotiner is btw a distant cousin to that other chotiner, Nixons consultant
Speaking of crazy:
https://mobile.twitter.com/alimhaider/status/1116513104580497416
Chris Lopes reports: We finally have an indictment for collusion.
It's a good start! :-)
" But I am not a socialist, not a global warmist, not a Democrat, not any of the extremist left identity groups who have so much silliness to answer for. “
I just carry their water ever day, day in, day out!
Candace Owens clip becomes most watched C-SPAN Twitter video from a House hearing
It's a classic already. One for the ages.
Chuck: ...TDS, I really don't think I qualify.
Everyone here who has had to read your bullshit for the last 3 years says you reek. And because you've become noseblind to it, you don't think you have TDS? LOL.
You squandered any credibility you had over the attempted coup, you sided with them against us. And now that it's all fallen apart, you are trying to pretend you never said those things and that you even vote for Trump.
You're a traitor. No one trusts you, no one wants you here. Go hang out with your pals at the Bulwark and try not to eat a shotgun.
Only in America would a deadly serious attempt at a coup play out in most people's minds as the equivalent of a long-running TV series they are getting tired of, the way BEE pictures it. Bottom line - the coup isn't going to rescue the Democrats. Trump has achievements, things he did while the coup attempt was going on. - in the economy, tax reform, on the Supreme Court, deregulation, reining in the administrative state - to point to. Whereas the Dems have nothing to show for the last two years. And they are running lightweights and women to save the party from its nothingness. That shows how broken they are. Whenever I see men allowing women to run major institutions I always think that that major institution is so broken that running it harms one's career and the guys see that and get out. But women are loyal and eager and get stuck with the baby. Examples: Chicago, the Democratic party.
Poor Vichy Chuck!
"Racist" is the tag I'd apply to senators who say that they will not vote to affirm a qualified black man to the Federal Reserve.
I think a tremendous number of people hate to be manipulated, or told what to think. Clearly, Ellis' boyfriend is very hostile to Donald Trump. That's the vibe in their house, right? "I hate Donald Trump so much!" And when people feel passionate or strong about a subject, you can either join them completely, or step back and not join them.
That's what he's done. His boyfriend (I assume) is so hostile to Trump, that Ellis is taking a more distanced view, just to preserve space and independence.
The media (and the left) should think about this on a national scale. What's it like when you are passionately opposed to a president? You call him "Hitler, Hitler, Hitler," and two years later it's pretty damn clear he's not HItler. And you've stopped calling him Hitler. But now we're all supposed to listen to you about what a monster he is? And then it turns out he's not a spy for Russia. Which was a pretty idiotic thing to say.
How do you suppose all these non-political people who don't pay much attention are going to react to your exaggeration and name-calling? Maybe some of them will jump on board and follow you. But maybe a lot of them will back away from you and your unfair accusations.
I notice also that black people, and gay people, and Hispanics, and Jews, and women, all the people who are supposed to be on the left, when they are not on the left, people on the left get kind of insane about it.
St. Croix observes: I notice also that black people, and gay people, and Hispanics, and Jews, and women, all the people who are supposed to be on the left, when they are not on the left, people on the left get kind of insane about it.
They go ballistic. If you watched the Candace Owens testimony, did you observe the two sitting on either side? I've never seen such ridiculous behavior--even in Congress! They really are mentally ill.
NOw that his insane Trump hatred has been revealed for the insanity it is, Chuck's back-pedaling feverishly, hoping we will all forget.
Chuck: we won't forget. Ever.
The only honorable thing for you to do is commit Seppuku.
Amazon.com has wonderfully sharp ginsu knives for you to use.
Wow, I go away for 6 months because of all the assholes like Inga and Chuck making me distraught about how the MSM rules and their weak minds drool, hoping they grew up or something, and Pow! Here they still are. Incredible.
“They go ballistic. If you watched the Candace Owens testimony, did you observe the two sitting on either side? I've never seen such ridiculous behavior--even in Congress! They really are mentally ill.”
Owens said Hitler “didn’t kill his own people”. My God. He killed hundreds of thousands if not over a million GERMAN born Jews. Owens is a fucking lunatic that you people want to turn into a folk hero.
6 million Jews total.
The quote I listened to had Owens saying that Hitler was a madman who killed his own people.
Everything Inga just said is a lie. Owens never said anything like she just claimed. You can't even get that out of pulling Owens' words out of context. The words she put in quotes were never said by Owens. Inga's smear is a 100% fabrication. And then she has the balls to claim she's on the side of decency.
Hey Inga, be sure to carry a big stupid sign when you march in solidarity at the convention, OK?
So which is it Inga? Alcohol poisoning or just old age?
Blogger Qwinn said...Everything Inga just said is a lie. Owens never said anything like she just claimed.
--
Well..the lying is SOP.
But the lack of copy/pate linking is a tell with her.
So she's branched out into original analysis? Good.
really good nice.....
Maybe she can get a job cleaning out the scuppers at The Bulwark.
Have another box, honey.
Direct quote from Owens, “A nationalist would not kill their own people”. She says Hitler was not a nationalist. What utter ignorance. What does she think “Nazi” is short for?
Qwinn: "Everything Inga just said is a lie. Owens never said anything like she just claimed."
There is apparently a coordinated effort by the Left and the LLR-Left to place the same fake quote Inga vomited up here in order to smear Owens.
Can you imagine the sick glee Inga and LLR Chuck and other white bread leftists probably feel when they knowingly write such clear slanders against a young, bright, attractive and exceptional communicator like Owens who happens to be African American but refuses to stay on the Lefty/LLR marxist plantation?
Listen and watch for yourselves at the 2:57 mark.
This poor misguided young woman is being used by white nationalism to spread their message.
Inga doubles down on her obvious smear.
Remember, Inga is the liar who called the fact of commie mass murder in the 20th century "propaganda".
Listen for yourselves, start at the 2:53 mark so as to get the entire sentence. ”A nationalist would not kill their own people.”
A persistent tool.
Meth. So the end is near.
Inga said "What does she think Nazi stands for?"
ROFL! Get back to me when a single lefty anywhere acknowledges that that means Hitler was also a socialist. Would you like to be the first,
She was arguing as to why she doesn't think Hitler qualifies as a nationalist. You can disagree with her if you want. But to then swap the words "Hitler" and "nationalist" as if they were interchangable in order to get your "Owens said Hitler didn't kill his own people" is complete fucking bullshit and you know it. What a pathetic fucking lie.
Inga...Allie Oop said...
Listen for yourselves, start at the 2:53 mark so as to get the entire sentence. ”A nationalist would not kill their own people.”
She never defends hitler in any way.
She points out that evil people like you smear nationalism by falsely associating it with hitler.
You do this because you are an evil person who wants to take freedom from other people but you are dishonest about what you want to do.
Hitler didn’t have a big respect for sovereign borders either. But once a liberal gets a talking point in their head, there is no reasoning with them.
Holy cow! Just read Inga’s comments. How deluded can you get Inga? Did it ever occur to you that you are like the people cooing over the emperor’s new outfit?
I guess when you have absolute and unquestioned faith that the people who believe that there are other policies to achieve the general betterment are evil Nazis, you will cling to whatever evidence you can find the maintain that faith. Even if the evidence relies heavily on omission of relevant parts of the her quotes.
Backing up this faith is another article of faith that the people who disagree with you are dumb as dirt, because, even though the liberal would never fall for such a stupid little rhetorical trick, surely conservatives troglodytes will take it as gospel, since, you know, clearly, they are almost too stupid to breathe!
"What does she think “Nazi” is short for?"
Well some people apparently think it is short for Nationalist and think Hitler was, therefore, a nationalist. But, Nazi is short for Nationalsozialistischen (shortened Nazi) and Candace Owens is pointing that out. Hitler was a National Socialist, not a Nationalist.
"To summarize; I regard Trump as a "kook," and "crazy" and a "jackass," and have said that I think he is personally unfit for the presidency. But I voted for him. And I have been an ardent supporter of Trump's federal judicial nominees.
Do you know who I sound like on all of that? Senator Lindsey Graham. Each one of those terms I put in quotes. Straight from Graham in 2016."
Yeah, but it's 2019 now dumbass, and only you continue. You really can't be much of a lawyer, or a lawyer at all, if that's the best you can do.
So Inga is a racist. And a moron.
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