April 5, 2019
"I have heard that she was nasty to me, but she should be. Look what I did to her sons."
Said Donald Trump about Barbara Bush, quoted in The Washington Times.
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107 comments:
All’s fair.
Ha!
Trump is never mad at anybody. Nobody gets that.
Presidential
Politics ain't beanbag. At least one person that identifies as Republican seems to understand this.
Trump is never mad at anybody. Nobody gets that.
His rule: Don't get mad. Get even.
Kind of like Althouse and Shouting Thomas. It may not make sense but I get where everyone is coming from.
@The Cracker...
I'm the Trump.
rhhardin said...
Trump is never mad at anybody. Nobody gets that.
There is something to that; it is a fascinating comment. I don't think Trump feels anger, or joy, or friendship, or empathy, or much of anything else outside of the DSM categorization of whatever sociopathology afflicts him.
Trump feels amusement.
Bwaaaaaaa I needed a good laugh to start my morning. Thank you!
"Look what I properly did to her good-for-nothing sons. I only regret that I didn't have the opportunity to have done the same to her good-for-nothing husband."
There's an idea that the more sensitive you are, the more you overreact. Like a sensitive needle going off scale.
Confusion of sensitivity and sensibility.
Hope the Bush family realize what scorpions the likes of Susan page are, but nope.
Chuck Chucks in with his TDS early. Feel better Chuck?
Well there's sure nothing that says, "I'm a Republican!" quite like running down the Bush family.
Dr Chuck: voodoo psychiatrist
And a lawyer!
The internet is great for playing let's pretend, isn't it?
John Henry
On the day after the 2016 election, however, Mrs. Bush woke up and “discovered to my horror that Trump had won.”
And like Democrats and Washington’s political class, instead of asking herself what she didn’t understand about the electorate, and trying to learn something, she spent the last of her days in a hissy fit. I think it’s sad. I used to like her better than her husband or her sons.
Chuck @8:42: Your comment is more revealing about you than Trump, I think.
If there is one thing that Trump understands, it is the Bush Family. That's why he stopped their Crime Ring cold.
John henry said...
Dr Chuck: voodoo psychiatrist
And a lawyer!
The internet is great for playing let's pretend, isn't it?
John Henry
I'm way ahead of you as usual. I am absolutely familiar with the formal "Goldwater Rule."
But it has been a regular occurrence on these comments pages, that I have been accused of mental disease or disorder; alcoholism; lying; fabricating my background. Etc., etc. And I am not going to follow some rule(s) of etiquette if they are flouted in attacks on me.
Chuck, why would "running down the Bush family" be verboten for any Republican? Just because they were Republican presidents? The problem with that reasoning should be sort of obvious.
Seems worth noting that Trump's actual governance has, on the whole, been more conservative than either of the Bushes. I would never have believed it, but here we are.
What amused me about Barbara Bush : she always had her pearls to hand for clutching.
is that on her grave marker? asking for a friend.
There is something to that; it is a fascinating comment. I don't think Trump feels anger, or joy, or friendship, or empathy, or much of anything else outside of the DSM categorization of whatever sociopathology afflicts him.
You were better off pretending to be a LLR lawyer than a psychologist.
You are struggling with the concept of Personality Disorder which differs from a Mental Health Disorder.
IMO, most politicians have significant Personality Disorder characteristics. Trump is neither the first nor will he be the last. Neither is he the most egregious.
"I don't think" [could have stopped right there. Trump has, apparently rendered you incapable of rational thought on this subject.] Trump feels anger, or joy [I'm pretty sure he feels joy quite often as the 'winning' piles up] , or friendship, or empathy, or much of anything else outside of the DSM categorization of whatever sociopathology afflicts him. [Physician/shrink, heal thyself. Over two years of unwavering focus on your mind-reading diagnosis, despite evidence to the contrary... it must be exhausting.]
I'll give the anti-Trumpers one thing, he has led this nation into an unprecedented health crisis. There certainly seems to be many more delusional people around since President Trump was elected.
Trump ran against the Bushes and the Clintons. He understood that most Americans want these two families to go away.
Trump beat both.
This is the best.
FWIW, I voted for Bush twice. But I was sorely disappointed in his Presidency. Jeb, I was told, was the brighter, more skilled leader. But his efforts at running for POTUS? Pathetic. President Hillary would have been the clear result had Jeb prevailed. So, in a strange, non-linear way, Barbara Bush did want Hillary to win.
Rejecting the Bush dynasty was easy for voters.
Rejecting the Clinton dynasty - probably would have saved the democrats from themselves. But democratics obey.
(Isn't it funny when George Stephanoplois and other dnc media hacks interview Comey - and they never seem to care that Hillary set up and used a private server while head of the State Dept. No - no - no - the hacks in the D-press only care that Comey looked into it. how. dare. he.)
I used to like her better than her husband or her sons.
Meh. Elderly people often are irrational and extreme. I'm giving Barbara a pass on this.
Did Barbara think her sons were entitled to win and above mocking? This is America, and it's politics. The Bushes got as close as anyone to American royalty and that is not a good thing, so if Trump threw water on that idea, it's a good thing.
I'm the Trump.
LOL! Well played, madam...
I could be totally wrong but I don't think Jeb stood a chance with or without mocking. I don't think Trump even needed to insult Jeb. Primary voters were in no mood for another Bush.
I don't think Trump feels anger, or joy, or friendship, or empathy, or much of anything else outside of the DSM categorization of whatever sociopathology afflicts him.
Maybe you're sincere, but I doubt it. Trump exhibits a sophisticated ability to read people and distill their qualities, good and bad, succinctly. He exhibits a remarkable sense of humor and ability to self-deprecate. Sociopaths cannot do those things, certainly not consistently, as in the public eye like Trump. There's a lot to criticize about Trump, to be sure, and I've done a fair share albeit more fairly than you.
First among those negative qualities Trump shows me is his naive belief that Republicans like you really wanted to solve the problems they ran on. They don't. They have been Lucy with the Legislation football for two years now. Paul Ryan, whom I used to respect (and who had or has a very close relationship to my current employer), just flat-out fooled Trump by getting him to end the shutdown on a promise of votes for repeal, only to let that sink into the mire. The GOP establishment has exhibited more sociopathic behavior in the last two years (you included) than Trump has. In fact it is your inhumanity toward Trump that highlights just how warm and human he is.
The GOP establishment has exhibited more sociopathic behavior in the last two years (you included) than Trump has.
Angelo Codevilla predicted this.
When this majority discovered that virtually no one in a position of power in either party or with a national voice would take their objections seriously, that decisions about their money were being made in bipartisan backroom deals with interested parties, and that the laws on these matters were being voted by people who had not read them, the term “political class” came into use.
Ryan is a member in good standing and Chuck is a very junior cheerleader.
And I am not going to follow some rule(s) of etiquette if they are flouted in attacks on me.
So you do understand Trump.
And I am not going to follow some rule(s) of etiquette if they are flouted in attacks on me.
And those strawberries! I know who took them.
Did Barbara think her sons were entitled to win and above mocking?
I can't say what she thought, but to be fair it's understandable for a mother to not like the person who is mocking their sons.
And as we've seen, Trump is very hateable. He's a magnificent troll, one of the greatest in human history. We've seen over and over again how he can drive otherwise intelligent, respectful, calm, and collected people into fits of unmitigated rage and derangement. It's like his an effront to reality for a certain set of people.
Re: Nonapod:
I can't say what she thought, but to be fair it's understandable for a mother to not like the person who is mocking their sons.
And to Trump's credit, he clearly understands, accepts, and approves of that: "she should be," he says. Then he kind of spoils it by bragging about how well he did in the primaries vs. Jeb, but the point still stands.
Can't blame him for saying that. They trashed him and Trump trashed them back.
Tough nuts.
(Isn't it funny when George Stephanoplois and other dnc media hacks interview Comey - and they never seem to care that Hillary set up and used a private server while head of the State Dept. No - no - no - the hacks in the D-press only care that Comey looked into it. how. dare. he.)"
Bleach more funny is who was FBI Director when Hillary was running the State Department from her personal servers? Mueller saved Comey's bacon but I suspect Comey also saved Mueller's bacon.
After reading what Barbara Bush said and Trump's response to what Barbara said, can be summed up thusly; Barbara Bush sounds just like Felicity Huffman and Trump sounds like he is not bothered by what she said in the least.
Also, I believe Caitlin Flanagan has a somewhat good article about the elite's college scam posted in the Atlantic. She loses the thread about three quarters of the way through the article, when she conflates the college scammers to Trump and the people that voted for Trump. But that is to be expected from anyone who writes for the Atlantic.
Trump's real superpower is the ability to drive his enemies insane. I mean, it is truly astonishing to read the things his enemies take the time to say and write.
I voted for all three Bushes: 41 for president, Jeb for governor all three times, and W. I like Barbara Bush. However I suspect her animosity towards Trump is a class thing and possibly a displacement rejection matter of conflating Trump with Perot.
Mkd is thread - and maybe blog - winner.
He owns what he did. He is unapologetic but he owns it and accepts the consequences.
I respect that.
Trump has proved all of us Perot voters right.
Republican voters should have abandoned the GOPe shills from the start.
They were always traitors and there was no effective difference between a bush or a McCain or a Clinton or an Obama or a Romney or any other Democrat.
Republican voters who stayed home instead of voting for Romney have also been proven right.
We would have amnesty cap and trade and Romney care now if he had won.
You are not just the Trump, Ann. I think Gershwin had you in mind when he wrote this:
You're the top!
You're the Coliseum.
You're the top!
You're the Louver Museum.
You're a melody from a symphony by Strauss
You're a Bendel bonnet,
A Shakespeare's sonnet,
You're Mickey Mouse.
You're the Nile,
You're the Tower of Pisa,
You're the smile on the Mona Lisa
I'm a worthless check, a total wreck, a flop,
But if, baby, I'm the bottom you're the top!
John Henry
"I don't think Trump feels anger, or joy, or friendship, or empathy, or much of anything else outside of the DSM categorization of whatever sociopathology afflicts him."
Sociopathology. You are a hoot Chuck.
I will say this. I think Trump is autistic.
Jeb couldn’t get into Yale because it was co-Ed by the time he went to college.
W was Lori Laughlin’s daughter. Actually, Laughlin’s daughter is more successful. Her mom May have bought her way into USC but she didn’t buy her 2 million you tube subscribers.
Low-Energy Jeb.
That one stuck.
Yancey Ward said...
Trump's real superpower is the ability to drive his enemies insane. I mean, it is truly astonishing to read the things his enemies take the time to say and write.
Here are some of the insane things I have written about Trump:
~ Trump claimed that there was a link between pediatric vaccines and autism.
~ Trump claimed that he had sent his own private investigators to Hawaii to look into Barack Obama's birth certificate and they were "finding things that they [could] not believe."
~ Trump did several interviews with reporters in which Trump represented himself as "John Baron" or "John Miller," talking about himself in the third person, asking the reporters if they had met Donald Trump.
~ Trump claimed that the Bush Administration "knew" that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq before the invasion of 2003.
~ Trump claimed in one of his books that his father was Swedish. Later, he has repeatedly claimed that his father, who was born in New York, was born "in a wonderful place in Germany."
~ This week, Trump suggested a link between the sound of wind turbine generators and cancer.
~ For more than two years, Trump has claimed that his tax returns are under audit and he therefore cannot release them. There's never been any confirmation that there is a real audit ongoing, and even if there were an audit, Trump is not prohibited from releasing copies of his returns.
~ Trump gave a politically-loaded speech to the gathering of Boy Scouts of America at their Jamboree. Later, Trump claimed, “I got a call from the head of the Boy Scouts saying it was the greatest speech that was ever made to them, and they were very thankful.” In fact, the Chief Scout Executive of the BSA apologized about Trump's speech being so political, and stated that he had not called the president as Trump claimed. The White House tried to walk back the story by admitting that there was no call, but that there were conversations after the speech with other BSA leaders.
~ And of course Trump claims that he didn't know about any payments to Stormy Daniels and he didn't know where the money came from.
It is all insane, of course. I confess to having written about all of it.
She is being a bit t disingenuous. One doesn't send her boy out to his play football and not expect the other boys to play rough.
Problem is, Trump took out his knee and Jeb can't play anymore.
This rankles
And I am not going to follow some rule(s) of etiquette if they are flouted in attacks on me.
Who is the first floutist here? Just wondering. For a friend.
She loses the thread about three quarters of the way through the article, when she conflates the college scammers to Trump and the people that voted for Trump. But that is to be expected from anyone who writes for the Atlantic.
Since November 2016 that’s been a rule of modern journalism. Anything negative has to be tied — somehow! — to Trump. And conversely, if it is positive then credit someone else. The corollary is that if it is positive (historically low unemployment) and cannot be credited to someone else, then do not mention his name.
Yancey Ward said...
Trump's real superpower is the ability to drive his enemies insane.
Shorter Chuck: Hold my beer.
Trump gave a politically-loaded speech to the gathering of Boy Scouts of America at their Jamboree. Later, Trump claimed, “I got a call from the head of the Boy Scouts saying it was the greatest speech that was ever made to them, and they were very thankful.” In fact, the Chief Scout Executive of the BSA apologized about Trump's speech being so political, and stated that he had not called the president as Trump claimed. The White House tried to walk back the story by admitting that there was no call, but that there were conversations after the speech with other BSA leaders.
Shorter Chuck: Trump got praise from someone high up in the Boy Scouts, who was not the actual "head" of the organization.
Don't worry, I'm sure Jerry Nadler is looking into this.
Chuck, thanks for proving my point. I couldn't do it without you, dude.
"I want to extend my sincere apologies to those in our Scouting family who were offended by the political rhetoric that was inserted into the jamboree," said Chief Scout Executive Michael Surbaugh. "That was never our intent."
And no; I don't even believe that there was any "praise from someone high up in the Boy Scouts, who was not the actual 'head' of the organization." I don't believe it, because I don't believe anything from Trump or his administration without proof. I don't believe anything from them, because of lies like those that I mentioned. There wasn't a call; there wasn't any praise from the "head" of the Boy Scouts. We know that. Why should we buy some alternative story?
And this is the essence of what is insane about so many of Trump's lies; they could have been inconsequential. But Trump fights and resists in the face of the truth.
Barack Obama infamously mentioned having campaigned in "57 states" once. (The correct number was 47 at the time of the gaffe.) Obama's reaction was self-effacement and humility. Trump's typical reaction is never any sort of humility of self-effacement. Trump's typical reaction when caught on one of his countless insane lies is to counterattack the press.
Trump couldn't even get Obama's "57 states" story right. Trump tweeted, “When President Obama said that he has been to '57 States,' very little mention in Fake News Media. Can you imagine if I said that...story of the year!” That is of course another lie from Trump. The story was well-covered at the time, and that is how we knew of it. The video of the one-time event wasn't great, but everybody who cared to know about Obama's slipup of "57" instead of the "47" states he had visited (with Alaska and Hawaii to come after the one where he made the comment) knew about it. As George Conway noted recently, the real difference was that Obama's gaffe was understandable, it was clearly understood as an error, and it was acknowledged as such. It was not part of a ceaseless, shameless insane abuse of the truth.
And let's not forget that world-class jagoffs like Don Trump Jr. and Louis Gohmert tried to turn Obama's gaffe into some imagined reference to "57 Islamic states" in the world.
Question: does the goldwater rule apply to fake psychiatrists?
Fake lawyers?
We've had a Harvard medical professor claim it doesn't apply when talking about President Trump.
So I guess we have several grounds to give Chuck's distant diagnosis a pass.
We can still mock his fopdoodlery though.
And will.
John Henry
That's the Trump we love, so fair-minded and to the point.
Chuck: Well there's sure nothing that says, "I'm a Republican!" quite like running down the Bush family.
Maybe we're not quite there yet, but one hopes that will certainly be true in the near future.
It's always heartening to see decent, honest people who've been betrayed and screwed-over by flim-flam men wise-up.
Re: Chuck:
Barack Obama infamously mentioned having campaigned in "57 states" once. (The correct number was 47 at the time of the gaffe.) Obama's reaction was self-effacement and humility
I don't recall that at all . . . actually, I don't recall his reaction one way or the other. But the reaction of his supporters was to claim that it was actually a sophisticated joke and we just didn't understand and we were stupid to point it out. It sticks in the mind because it was so obviously just a mistake (he said "all fifty [long pause] -seven states") but his most fanatical supporters couldn't accept that he misspoke.
Chuck said...Chuck said...Here are some of the insane things I have written about Trump:..."
It is all insane, of course. I confess to having written about all of it.
4/5/19, 11:19 AM
Your sarcasm was good until.... Interesting set of comments.... It goes without saying...anyone who spends such a large amount of time compiling such a list of things he's blogged about Trump - well - Chuck you said it better then I could.
Balfegor said...
Re: Chuck:
Barack Obama infamously mentioned having campaigned in "57 states" once. (The correct number was 47 at the time of the gaffe.) Obama's reaction was self-effacement and humility
I don't recall that at all . . . actually, I don't recall his reaction one way or the other. But the reaction of his supporters was to claim that it was actually a sophisticated joke and we just didn't understand and we were stupid to point it out. It sticks in the mind because it was so obviously just a mistake (he said "all fifty [long pause] -seven states") but his most fanatical supporters couldn't accept that he misspoke.
Prove it. Show us. Because I can tell you what the TrumpWorld reaction is under same/similar circumstances.
We saw it just the other day. Trump was yammering about "the oranges of the Mueller investigation" and when it was pointed out with videotape demonstrating the event, the Trumpkins on these comments pages were saying basically two things. One was, "I hear him saying 'origins.'" The other was, "What difference does it make? Why are we talking about Trump's pronunciation instead of important things?"
If Obama supporters did that (I don't know; I've never been an Obama supporter), then they'd be just like Trump's cult-worshippers.
Plus, Trump's a playboy. Barbara's been on the short end, so to speak, of that deal so it probably didn't endear Trump to her.
Ah, Chuck, Chuck, Chuck.... in here proving yet again that in a contest between Trump and him on who is more psychotic, deranged, obsessive-compulsive, and in general just mentally gone round the bend, it's no contest. It's Chuck by far more than Secretariat defeated the competition.
It's amazing how Trump makes allegedly good conservatives defend Obama and Hillary and Mueller and Dick Durbin and Chuck Schumer and the NYT and the WaPo and Soros. Because of course that's what "good conservatives" do. Right Chuck?
As Ace of Spades has said, the Trump era has certainly opened people's eyes. There are the people who want to push back against the left's headlong dive into communism and waving the hammer and sickle... and there are the people who claim they want to push back but gosh darn it, if it weren't for this damn war and that son of a bitch Trump.......
--Vance
...It's amazing how Trump makes allegedly good conservatives defend Obama and Hillary and Mueller and Dick Durbin and Chuck Schumer and the NYT and the WaPo and Soros. Because of course that's what "good conservatives" do. Right Chuck?
...
...
--Vance
You cannot name or link to a place where I "defended" Obama or Hillary or Chuck Schumer or George Soros. Certainly not on any policy issue. I took Dick Durbin's side on exactly one dispute; Durbin said that Trump used the phrase "shithole countries." I believed Durbin, and still do, and it is not at all clear to me who is denying that. The Trump White House? Secretary Neilsen? Tom Cotton? David Perdue? Shame on them if they stick to that point. Lindsey Graham, Tim Scott and Jeff Flake -- all with nearly-perfect conservative Republican voting records -- seem to be on my side in that.
If you think that I am a "defender" of the NYT or WaPo, again, be specific.
This is your regular, repeating problem, Vance. You are always imagining things that I supposedly think. You keep inventing things that I never wrote.
I continue to urge you sincerely; please ignore everything that I write here. You add nothing, when it comes to me. You are a distraction; clutter. And a complete waste of my time.
Why do people persist and feeding the trolls on this blog? For the record I voted for both Bush's once and regretted it. Poppy Bush 41 against Dukakis and GWBush against Kerry otherwise I have been 3rd party ever since. Its no longer the party of squishes and "Bar" bitterly resented that. If memory serves they didn't like the Reagan's either yet eagerly sucked up to them when it was to their advantage.
Indeed
Well, I must agree with Chuck. Despite his several faults and peculiarities, Donald J Trump is without a doubt the best President in the last fifty years or so.
A champion for the poor, the downtrodden and the poorly educated.
A fighter for men, women and children of every sex, color, gender and disposition.
Mark Twain humor, Mother Teresa kindness, Buddha serenity and Scott Adams insight.
Boundless energy, sophisticated wit, sky high I.Q.
MAGA & Keep America Great
Lessee.... "Birther." You take Obama's side on that, rather strenuously (ignoring Hillary as the one who started that.) You consistently take the side of Schumer and Durbin and the WaPo and NYT when it comes time to shut down the government to protect the border. Oh, it's "I want to protect the Border but this isn't the way to do it!" Just like Pelosi and Schumer. You consistently endorse whatever lie the NYT and WaPo print about Trump, without skepticism. You never, never, rush to debunk it, and only reluctantly, if at all, acknowledge it when they are debunked.
It's amazing (but not surprising) that you refer to Flake as a "perfect Republican." He rolled over for Democrats constantly, and almost torpedoed Kavanaugh, so I guess in your eyes he would be the "perfect Republican." Just like McCain conspired with the Times and WaPo in the attempted coup against Trump... something for which you no doubt light a votive candle every night in your McCain GOPe shrine. And you spent a lot of effort defending Soros against the whole "he was a Nazi as a youth" bit. You know, "I want to be fair to him!" But curiously, you never step up to defend actual conservatives against "scurrilous" charges from the left. Only people like Soros get that defense from you.
To make this post not all about Chuck and his constant attacks on conservatives and Trump, I'll speak about the Bushes. Pappy Bush was a genuine WWII hero, but he didn't raise his sons all that well. I'm glad GWB was there instead of Kerry on 9-11, but he's been a true disappointment. And Jeb? Please clap for him! He needs the applause to feel better!
--Vance
Well there's sure nothing that says, "I'm a Republican!" quite like running down the Bush family.
As opposed to people - including the Bush family - running down the current, Republican President, right?
I loved the Trump slam. What could be more cutting then to remind everyone that Jeb! needs mommy to defend him. And of course, Babs Bush didn't like Trump. Hell, Nancy Reagan didn't like Babs Bush. "Kinder and Gentler than *WHO*? She witheringly asked in 1988.
Never been a Barbara Bush fan. Why did she let herself go in her old age? And I don't remember her doing much of anything as First Lady. She was tough. She was smart. And?
Other than that, nothing. Laura - at least - was likable. That Barbara and George ended up voting and rooting for Hillary - tells you all you need to know. The Bush family came first, globalism came second, the Country came third.
Mitt Romney has always campaigned harder against other Republicans than he did against democrats.
Just like Chuck does.
We all know which side the Bush family was on now.
The cuck wing of the uniparty will never control the republican party again.
Jim at said...
Well there's sure nothing that says, "I'm a Republican!" quite like running down the Bush family.
As opposed to people - including the Bush family - running down the current, Republican President, right?
I think that the Bushes were models of restraint when it comes to Trump. What is the worst public statement any of them have made about Trump? Trump deserves whatever might be said about him, of course. The Bushes didn't start in with Trump. Trump went after Jeb in the primary, and then had the fucking nerve to claim that 9/11 was some sort of setup.
Achilles said...
Mitt Romney has always campaigned harder against other Republicans than he did against democrats.
First, that isn't true and second, Rush Limbaugh is the guy who campaigns harder against Republicans than Democrats.
Apparently you didn't get it the first time. I'll try again.
Well there's sure nothing that says, "I'm a Republican!" quite like running down the Bush family.
As opposed to people - including you - running down the current, Republican President, right?
The current "Republican" president?
"Republican voters who stayed home instead of voting for Romney have also been proven right. We would have amnesty cap and trade and Romney care now if he had won."
Mitt's a big believer in climate change. Or that's what he says now. And he's for open borders. I'm trying to think of anything conservative Mitt's REALLY for...thinking...tax cuts for the rich? Of course, when he's running for office, he'll say whatever is necessary. For a "Christian Gentleman", he sure does like to lie to Republicans. BTW, notice he didn't trash Trump while he was running for the R Senate Nomination or even during the General Election in Utah. But once he got sworn in as Senator we get a WaPo editorial blasting Trump.
Mitt, The Bushes, and McCain all share one trait. They prefer the New York Times Editorial board to the average Conservative Republican.
Achilles: We all know which side the Bush family was on now.
The cuck wing of the uniparty will never control the republican party again.
Well, you have to understand that Chuck operates under the weird notion that it's the big donors and the pols and the apparatchiks and the think-tank scribes who *are* The Republican Party, that "the Republican Party" is some kind of Platonic ideal that has some meaningful, practical political existence independent of the voters belonging to it and voting for its candidates.
In our universe, "running down" pols who betray and demonize the members of the party they claim to represent is just and reasonable. (Just "running them down", as a matter of fact, is remarkably restrained and civilized by historical and global standards.)
But in the inverted reality that is the Chuckiverse, it doesn't sound crazy to assert that the millions of ordinary voters who register "R" and tend(ed) to vote "R" are the ones who are betraying The Party by "running down" the sanctimonious shits who sell them out.
Yeah, batshit, I know, but religious belief can be like that. Righteous wrath awaits those who blaspheme against the Holy Party and its anointed leaders. (Le parti, c'est nous. Anointed and appointed by God. Not voting citizens.)
Its Trump's party now. I don't begrudge Trump the enjoyment of dragging the Bush and McCain party behind his chariot outside of Troy. They sold out the party and were happy to stand by as the deep state tried taking him out via a coup. Fuck 'em!
Blogger Chuck said...
I don't think Trump feels anger, or joy, or friendship, or empathy, or much of anything else outside of the DSM categorization of whatever sociopathology afflicts him.
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"Please clap"
I suspect you've spent a lot of years with that DSM.
Chuck: The current "Republican" president?
Yes, he is the current Republican president. The voters gave him the official party nomination. That's how it works, Chuck. Your peculiar sedevacantist beliefs about party leadership notwithstanding.
Good point. Why aren't NeverTrumpers NeverRepublican? He was your party's nominee, they voted for him. How can a NeverTrumper still belong to the Republican party? Principles, remember?
The current "Republican" president?
Loyalty. You're doing it wrong.
Imagine the GOP has this Gentlemen's Agreement (we don't need it codified because we are all honorable people, right?). Anyway, we have a pact that says although we may fight like cats and dogs during the primaries, once a candidate has won the nomination we unite behind him for the good of the party.
2008. Chuck's faction nominates McCain. Fen's guy lost, but he holds his nose and supports the guy Chuck's people nominate.
2012. Chuck's faction nominates Romney. Again, Fen's guy lost, but he holds his nose and supports for the guy Chuck's people nominated.
2016. Fen's faction triumphs and nominates Trump. Chuck's guy lost. Does Chuck hold his nose and support the guy Fen's people nominated? No. He publicly opposes Trump and supports the Witch Hillary out of revenge, all while preening about what a "principled" stand he is making.
2018. Chuck is still whining about it two years later.
"the Trumpkins"
...and I've stopped reading after that.
Go fuck yourself, little cuck traitor. And go away. No one wants you here.
walter said...
Blogger Chuck said...
I don't think Trump feels anger, or joy, or friendship, or empathy, or much of anything else outside of the DSM categorization of whatever sociopathology afflicts him.
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"Please clap"
I suspect you've spent a lot of years with that DSM.
Oh go fuck yourself. I mentioned the DSM because it figured in
this hilarious Tweet from George Conway from just a couple of weeks ago.
But you've once again proven my point about why I feel no need to pretend to follow any sort of protocol for polite speech with any of you TrumpCult jackals here.
Trump wouldn't have prevailed in his razor-thin margin of victory in 2016 without voters like me. Republicans who withheld their support from the putative nominee all throughout the race and who only decided at the last moment that Trump was the least worst option. There isn't a Democrat now running who interests me in the least. But I'd get some pleasure knowing if my withholding my vote helped to prevent a second Trump term. Michigan is going to be a battleground. It went freakishly, tragically "Blue" in 2018. We ended up with a Dem Machine Governor, a lesbian Attorney General and a lawprof Secretary of State. 2 new Dem Congresswomen replacing Republican seats. And a flock of new Democrats all over the Detroit suburbs. Educated, suburban voters cratered in supporting Republicans.
@Fen, (6:13) that's how I see it, too.
@Fen, (6:16) you're wrong. Inga wants him here. Freder wants him here. gadfly wants him here. Ritmo adores him here. OTOY, decent human beings who care about the people benefiting from his economic policies, not so much.
Feisty!
Oh..so it's not your own "differential diagnosis"?
Kinda looks that way.
"There isn't a Democrat now running who interests me in the least. But I'd get some pleasure knowing if my withholding my vote helped to prevent a second Trump term"
Well..you've said previously smearing him and prejudicing folks against him is your mission.
But..he owes you.
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Those same self-selecting docs could have a field day with you, if they applied themselves.
For the record I voted for both Bush's once and regretted it. Poppy Bush 41 against Dukakis and GWBush against Kerry otherwise I have been 3rd party ever since. Its no longer the party of squishes and "Bar" bitterly resented that. If memory serves they didn't like the Reagan's either yet eagerly sucked up to them when it was to their advantage.
Same here. Being young and naive I actually believed Bush-I's act in 1988, and was shocked when he betrayed us on so many issues. No wonder the man got the lowest percent POTUS re-election vote (in 1992) since Taft. And I also voted for Bush II in 2004, since Kerry was such an oddball and no better on any issue. But in retrospect, other than Alioto, how could Kerry have been any worse then Bush-II? After that, I learned my lesson. Never vote for the squish.
Fen I voted for Trump.
I would never have voted for Hillary, even if I could not bring myself to vote for Trump. In fact, Michigan is one of the very few states that still allow "straight ticket voting." (We Republicans have fought against "straight ticket voting" in the state, because it helps down-ballot Democrats in unknown statewide races like university trustees and local offices.) I didn't even have to put my mark next to Trump's name. I voted for "the Republican" in every partisan ballot race, with one check mark at the top.
I don't understand where you step off, calling me "cuck" and telling these readers that I support Hillary Clinton. You don't know me, you lying shit head. And you can't point to a single line from me in the history of this blog's comments where I said a single generous thing about Mrs. Clinton. During the 2016 campaign, I called her the worst Democratic nominee for president since Al Smith.
There isn't a Democrat now running who interests me in the least. But I'd get some pleasure knowing if my withholding my vote helped to prevent a second Trump term.
We will just have to figure out how to win without you.
There's a guy over at Ricochet who is as NeverTrumper as Chuck, albeit not as foul mouthed.
He keeps coming up with excuses about how Trump is (fill in the blank). I used the term TDS there once and was "suspended" for two days so I quit. My impression is that Rocochet is a very reluctant Trump vote site.
At last we have a Republican Congress and a president who will sign their bills and, guess what ? They come up with a tax cut for donors and go home.
What happened to the moderation experiment?
Is Ann actually reading and approving some of this crap?
Well, since my post just went up instantly, I guess I have my answer.
Flame away, Chuckles and Anti-Chuckles. I'm sure with the next post, the other guy will say "Darn, you are right, and I have been completely mistaken for all these years."
You're right, Dan.
I will self-moderate..better.
Getting back to the original post:
I wonder if the Bush family had anything to do with the Clinton-funded political and legal fraud that was the dossier. We know Rubio and McCain - two shitty big government fake conservatives - had their parts to play
The worst mistake Reagan made was asking HW Bush to be his vice president. He should have asked a fiscal conservative like Jack Kemp. That was another case of the Deep State inflicting a big government fake conservative on an outsider.
I wouldn't be upset if Mike Pence was not on the 2020 ticket.
Actually, archaeology today is chock full o' wimmins. And, unlike in my day, lots of really, really attractive ones.
Agreed. Also, the notorious tape was brought to the media's attention by Billy Bush, a lesser cousin.
That comment was about the quote That was another case of the Deep State inflicting a big government fake conservative on an outsider.
The autocorrect is acting up.
"I wonder if the Bush family had anything to do with the Clinton-funded political and legal fraud that was the dossier."
I've been waiting for that shoe to drop since we learned Stefan Halper's history.
304 to 227 votes?
30 states to 20?
20 counties to 487?
That's a "razor thin" margin of victory?
Apparently, in addition to pretending to be a lawyer and pretending to be a psychiatrist you enjoy pretending to understand arithmetic.
Fopdoodle Extraordinaire! Seems more like it, Chuck
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2626 counties for President Trump
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Brian Stelter republican Chuck: "I would never have voted for Hillary, ..."
There is ZERO evidence that you did not vote for Hillary...and happily. Gleefully. Joyfully. Proudly.
Which is why you are singularly beloved of the far left lunatics on this blig site.
They are lefty lunatics but they know a strong Team Left teammate when they see one......
...and so does everyone else.
Jeff Flake IS a LLR Chuck Perfect Republican: He has already publicly announced his support for the dems to win.
There can be no faster way into Chuck's good graces than full, complete, utter capitulation to the dems on every level every single day.
As demonstrated conclusively on this blog....daily.
Drago said...
Jeff Flake IS a LLR Chuck Perfect Republican: He has already publicly announced his support for the dems to win.
There can be no faster way into Chuck's good graces than full, complete, utter capitulation to the dems on every level every single day.
As demonstrated conclusively on this blog....daily.
I did not say that Jeff Flake was the "perfect Republican." You dishonest jackass.
I'm not sure that I know who "a perfect Republican" might be. Your fake-capitalization of what I did not capitalize doesn't help you. You weren't quoting me. You were butchering what I actually wrote.
What I wrote was -- and this can be put in quotes because this is indeed what I wrote -- that Jeff Flake was one of several Republican Senators who loathe or have loathed Trump, and who had "nearly-perfect conservative Republican voting records."
And as usual, I am right and you are wrong. You're wrong in a deliberately malicious way. Before Trump, Jeff Flake had a 97% voting record rating from the American Conservative Union. (For reference, Trey Gowdy had a 96% rating, Devin Nunes had a 93% rating, Kevin McCarthy had a 95% rating and Marco Rubio had a 100% rating.) When he left the Senate, Flake's Freedom Works 2017 rating on Senate votes was 100%.
So Jeff Flake was basically as reliable a conservative vote as there was in the Senate. Flake's revulsion toward Trump is personal. It's moral. It's a character issue. It's a good-of-the-party issue. Flake doesn't hate Trump because Flake has a Republican problem. Flake has been one of the very best Republicans his whole life. Flake hates Trump because Flake thinks that Trump is so terrible for the Republican Party.
And I agree with him. Trump is a toxic person. A truly bad man. A character so personally flawed, that the Republican Party may need years to recover. Although I am an optimist on that. I think that the Trump fascination among some is so personal, so cult-like, that Trumpism will die with the end of Trump in politics. There's no "movement." Trump doesn't stand for any ideas, per se. There is no Trump policy that couldn't be better articulated by any one of 50 Republicans. I don't think Americans are as stupid as Trump believes they are.
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