"Last month, the former first daughter joined throngs of Democrats and Republicans in condemning language used by Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.), one of the two first Muslim women elected to Congress last year, to critique U.S. policy in Israel as perpetuating anti-Semitic stereotypes. At the vigil, the New York University students said reactions like Clinton’s 'stoked' hatred of Muslims. 'This, right here, is a result of a massacre stoked by people like you and the words that you put out into the world,' one student told Clinton, according to a video of the confrontation. 'And I want you to know that and I want you to feel that deep down inside. Forty-nine people died because of the rhetoric you put out there.' 'I’m so sorry that you feel that way,' Clinton said. 'Certainly, it was never my intention. I do believe words matter. I believe we have to show solidarity.'"
WaPo reports. Here's the video:
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I don’t think much of Chelsea Clinton. After her cowardly, craven, apology I think even less of her.
“I’m so sorry you feel that way”? Defend your stand against anti-Semitism, Chelsea. Don’t be a wimp like Beto.
Where's the leftist autophagy tag?
"She should have told them they were full of shit."
Sure, she should have. Unfortunately for Chelsea, *according to her own politics,* they were absolutely right. This is what you get when you value emotion over logic, and signaling over substance.
Poor Chelsea. Thoughts and prayers....
I cannot stand the Clintons but this is totally unfair. Left on left - eventually they eat their own.
Not Jew-hate enough, Chelsea.
The Revolution *always* eats it own.
Nothing like blue-on-blue combat.
Indeed, Big Mike. She should have told the Socialist know-nothing Bernie brain-deads to take their Israel hate and shove it.
Almost makes one feel sorry for Chelsea...almost.
fivewheels is right- Clinton had already disarmed herself long before last night. This is what makes the left on left feeding frenzy so entertaining.
OT: Speaking of Jew haters and bigots on the left - there is one at the top at Media Matters. Right under Chris Hayes' nose.
Chelsea Clinton didn’t do anything to add to Islamophobia here or in any Western country.
You know though, autophagy can be a very good thing in the human body and the body politic
What is this freedom of religion nonsense guaranteed by the 1st Amendment? Religion is based on lies, i.e., anti-scientific poppycock. Millions of lies have been destroyed by religion and by prejudicial hatred of a given religion's followers. Religion belongs in the dustbin of history. Amend the 1st Amendment to remove the part about freedom of religion. The 2nd Amendment is equally pernicious, and should be removed like the 13th floor of a hi-rise.
Opportunity missed. Next time, bring pepper spray.
The mass murder of 49 Muslim men, women and children during their afternoon superstitious rituals by an eco-fascist touched off a deeply emotionally[sic] debate about terrorism but not muslim terrorism, and far-right extremism but not far-left "workers' rights" extremism or eco-fascism or how New Zealand's terrible government lets crazy people run around shooting guns.
Got to give Chelsea credit for grace and class in the face of people like this.
@Trumpit,
Listened to any Bach lately?
"I don’t think much of Chelsea Clinton. After her cowardly, craven, apology I think even less of her."
I think cowardly and craven mean the same thing.
Talk is the domestication of violence. Violence is something different.
Get a taste of the mind-crime - Chelsea. Then again, it's a crime to dig into any dirt on the precious and holy mama and papa Clinton.
Can't make a movie about that stuff, either.
@ Andrew - LOL.
Coming apart at the seams
And another appropriate line from an Eagles song:
I guess every form of refuge has its price
Is it Thermador yet?
Living on the Left requires situational awareness, there is no telling when a friend will knife you in the back.
Most people don't realize how valuable the words "FUCK" and "OFF" really are.
"autophagy can be a very good thing in the human body"
This just in ... Inga eats her boogers. ; )
So we've got one group of Americans thinking that Chelsea Clinton is a hateful bigot because she dared to criticize Rep. Ilhan Omar.
And we've got another group of Americans thinking that Chelsea Clinton a hateful leftist because she's too accepting of Muslims and the likes of Rep. Ilhan Omar and her radical supporters.
It has never been so good, so satisfying, so righteous as right now, being a country club Republican.
Inga: "Chelsea Clinton didn’t do anything to add to Islamophobia here or in any Western country."
Tsk tsk tsk
White chick from Wisconsin de-values the much more valid opinion/viewpoint of a young woman of color.
New lefty rules Inga: white folk, especially from deplorable flyover states, have no right to criticize the "lived experiences" of persons of color.
Talk about white privilege!
“This just in ... Inga eats her boogers. ; )”
Funny, but ew...seriously. Autophagy on a cellular level dear boy, that’s what I’m referring to.
Esor Fasa's friend nearly had the crazy Beto hand movements down.
After heavy criticism, @Esor__Fasa deleted her account.
Also known as an outrage mob mulligan.
White privilege is a bitch. Just ask Beto.
are their two suns in the sky, of course as bruce bawer points out there is a massacre in Egypt or Indonesia, or Nigeria, every couple of weeks,
This put a smile on my face.
"It has never been so good, so satisfying, so righteous as right now, being a country club Republican"
LOL
Strong lefty ally who simply identifies as a "republican" as they go about linking to Ground Zero of the obama Frame-up operation known as Crossfire Hurricane, Lawfareblog.
I was quite pleased you did that as it completely opened the eyes of the few remaining people who wanted to give you some remaining benefit of the doubt in being what you purport.
By the way, for any other lefty/Reid Hoffman/Pierre Omidyar/Soros funded apparatchiks, if you want to be successful in posing as a "True Conservative" "LLR", you must be far more subtle and generally consistent with standard actual conservative viewpoints than others who have come before you.
Also, don't forget that actual LLR's don't inadvertantly lapse into using the most far left language and slurs to describe actual republicans.
Chelsea Clinton didn’t do anything to add to Islamophobia here or in any Western country.
Neither did I, but that doesn't stop assholes like you from saying I did.
Maybe you should just shut it for a change.
White guy shoots Muslims: White supremacy! Impeach Trump!
Muslim shoots white people: Nothing to see here, citizen, move along.
Muzzles in Western societies are becoming increasingly conscious of how and when to play the Left's Identity game. I noted with amusement while watching HBO's Adnan Syed documentary that the one Muzzie chick didn't wear the hankie back in the day but is damn sure to have it on when the cameras are rolling now. You can just smell the upcoming claims of Islamaphobia in the case stewing below the surface.
Jews, Gays, women, and (happily) Chelsea Clinton hit hardest.
If she'd just told them to fuck off, I would have loved her forever.
It's not in her nature to do so, but its classic may mauing like in the Wolfe book
RM: "Muslim shoots white people: Nothing to see here, citizen, move along."
Even worse, muslims slaughter thousands of Christians across the globe each year and the silence, if not outright support via excuse-mongering for the muslims, from the left is quite telling.
Here's a recent example:
Radical Muslims Murder 32 Nigerian Christians, Torch Church in Brutal Attack
03-04-2019
This is a monthly occurence in Western Africa as the muslim armies march across all the western african nations murdering and driving out Christians.
Number of outraged articles in any of our major lefty media organs?
Zero.
Zero.
Which nicely matches the number of times Inga has called out islamic supremacists for their large scale slaughters.
Expect more of this "Zero" coverage of muslim atrocities by the left as we move forward coupled with demands that we allow unrestricted immigration into the nation.
Identity politics is just amazing to watch. It really is.
So much finger-pointing, so little time.
Chelsea is not her parents. Leave her alone.
'This, right here, is a result of a massacre stoked by people like you and the words that you put out into the world
It's TOTALLY TRUE!
If you don't support Muslims murdering Everyone who isn't a Muslim ;
that means you're advocating the murder Of Muslims
Unless you Fully Support Muslim terrorism; YOU are responsible for ANY Muslim killed, ANYWHERE!
(Except for Muslims that are killed By Other Muslims; 'cause they were probably asking for it
“Neither did I, but that doesn't stop assholes like you from saying I did.
Maybe you should just shut it for a change.”
Why don’t you take your own advice and shut your stupid gaping maw for a change.
Hagar: "Chelsea is not her parents. Leave her alone."
No one her is bothering Chelsea here.
It's the lefty Red Guard that is eating its own.
Welcome to Lefty Land.
She deserves it
Trumpit wrote: I think cowardly and craven mean the same thing.
Not quite, but close enough for your percentile.
You should correspond with Brenton Tarrant, the two of you agree on so, so much.
gilbar: "Unless you Fully Support Muslim terrorism; YOU are responsible for ANY Muslim killed, ANYWHERE!"
Christopher Hitchens took down this moronic Inga-like attitude.
Did you know that if you oppose giving Spain back to the Islamists, you have made the islamists your enemy?
Did you know that if you want to allow girls to become educated, you have made the islamists your enemy?
Did you know that if you stand up for any human rights in any islamic land, you have made the islamists your enemy?
Christopher Hitchens says it so much better than I:
"You see how far the termites have spread and how long and well they've dined"
"That someone could get up and say that the problem is Western Civilization and not the islamic threat to it, that's how far the termites have gone"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axHR8AOxxkc
Fantastic video.
BTW, under Inga rules, that comment alone makes Christopher Hitchens a White Supremacist in Inga-Land.
“Which nicely matches the number of times Inga has called out islamic supremacists for their large scale slaughters.”
Maybe you should ask Althouse nicely if she’ll write a few blog posts about Islamist Supremacists. What would you like to hear me say? Do you think that I’m in favor of it? Or do you use this trope to cudgle those on the left with? Don’t you realize how extreme and wacky you sound when you say Democrats, liberals and the left in general are forgiving of Islamist Supremacism/ Terrorism? You seem to ignore the many times I’ve said extremism is a scourge on society. That might just include your extremism.
As Glenn Reynolds likes to say on his "Instapundit" blog, These are Heinlein's Crazy Years. (Don't fret, Inga. They may morph into the Stupid Years.)
Inga...Allie Oop said...
posts about Islamist Supremacists. What would you like to hear me say? Do you think that I’m in favor of it?
your silence Has been deafening
Inga: " What would you like to hear me say?"
I would like for you to keep saying precisely what you believe.
It's quite instructive.
“BTW, under Inga rules, that comment alone makes Christopher Hitchens a White Supremacist in Inga-Land.”
“But here's something I need you to do...DON'T NAME ANOTHER COMMENTER WHEN YOU'RE DISAGREEING WITH HIM... It looks like a pointless, childish game. If you seriously want to argue on the substance, quote the person and disagree with the material posted. Don't make it about the person.
Ann Althouse
Inga: "Don’t you realize how extreme and wacky you sound when you say Democrats, liberals and the left in general are forgiving of Islamist Supremacism/ Terrorism?"
Remember, we are still within a 24 hour window when Inga pronounced every Trump supporter guilty for the atrocity in NZ.
Ponder her latest comment as compared with her comments over the last 24 hours.
And then marvel at it.....
Inga pronounces every Trump supporter guilty of mass murder but would be very appreciative if you did not call her out by name in your responses.
Let that one sink in....
“would like for you to keep saying precisely what you believe.”
Ok. Extremism in ALL its manifestations, whether it be Islamist Supremacy/Terrorism or White Supremacy/Nationalism is abhorrent and a scourge on society.
Hey Inga, radio silence on the Muslims murdering Christians in Nigeria, eh? Totally no big deal; they just set a Christian church on fire and shot everyone fleeing from inside. Something you no doubt fully approve of.
Clearly that is your fault. After all, since all conservatives are guilty of this Muslim massacre, you, as a supporter of Islam, must be just as guilty if not more for Nigerian Muslims committing frequent acts of genocide against Christians. That's your logic, so I hope you enjoy being called a mass murderer, just like you call the rest of us one.
--Vance
Inga: "Ok. Extremism in ALL its manifestations, whether it be Islamist Supremacy/Terrorism or White Supremacy/Nationalism is abhorrent and a scourge on society."
LOL
Who couldn't see that one coming?
Inga still refuses to explicitly call out islamic extremism.
It's the democrats "anti-semitism"/Omar comment charade again!!
Is there anything more predictable than the lefties running around with "Republicans Pounce" joined with "okay okay, lets just criticize everything and everyone under the sun if there is something explicitly uncomfortable for the dems/left/LLR's to point out".
Absolutely perfect.
Again.
As always.
Inga, Inga, Inga, Inga, Inga... how many times now has this name been repeated by the same commenter?
Ann Althouse said...
“But here's something I need you to do: DON'T NAME ANOTHER COMMENTER WHEN YOU'RE DISAGREEING WITH HIM, ESPECIALLY IF THE NAME IS CHUCK OR INGA. I do not want to see these 2 names repeated over and over again. It looks like a pointless, childish game. If you seriously want to argue on the substance, quote the person and disagree with the material posted. Don't make it about the person.
I'm not banning all name calling, but I am vigilant about any name that gets repeated in back-and-forth fashion, as happens with Inga and Chuck. I don't care WHY it happens with those 2 names and I don't want to talk about it. I'm just saying I don't want to see it any more.”
3/4/19, 6:37 AM
Inga can't address the obvious points, so back under Althouse's skirt she goes.
Chelsea shouldn't have been a coward in apologizing for her criticism of a antisemitic congresswoman.
A brave Chelsea would have responded, "I stand by my criticism of the congresswoman. Besides it seems the congresswoman can get out of Mogadishu, but Mogadishu can't get out of the congress woman. Now fuck off!"
“Inga still refuses to explicitly call out islamic extremism.”
Are you stupid or nuts?
Ok. Extremism in ALL its manifestations, whether it be Islamist Supremacy/Terrorism or White Supremacy/Nationalism is abhorrent and a scourge on society.”-me
Watch to the end of the Hitchens answer to the piece of crap leftist who hates the West and wants to surrender to the islamists (as so many leftists here do):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axHR8AOxxkc
I would love to see a REAL Arkansas girl get accosted by one of these SJW activists. Spoiler: she would not be as polite.
This is like the old question of whether it is bad to shoot and kill Republicans: "All murder is bad!" But what about, specifically, killing Republicans? "All Murder is bad!" Is killing Republicans murder? "I plead the 5th! All Murder is bad! It's like torturing me to ask me to condemn killing Republicans!"
Now it is "all extremism is bad, including White supremacy!" But what about, specifically, Muslims murdering Christians frequently? "White Supremacy is bad!"
Yeah, we can read between the lines, can't we?
--Vance
Worth repeating:
"When a muslim murders 49 gay people in a Florida night club, the community immediately rallied around the mosque and muslim community he hailed from. There were repeated admonishments to warn against a backlash, and remind people how peaceful muslims are.
On the flip side, when a terrorist shoots up a mosque full of worshipers, the whole community is blamed and punished collectively.
Has it occurred to anyone that THIS is what the shooter was aiming to expose?
If so, progressive culture has played right into his hands and given him exactly what he wanted. He’s exposed that some religious inspired murders are more outrageous than others.
What he’s really exposed is that the world has grown 100% complacent about Muslims murdering people. It doesn’t even shock the senses anymore. It’s only when the reverse happens that we feel outrage, precisely because it’s out of the ordinary."
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/03/interesting-take-christchurch-massacre-dubbed-the-first-trolling-mass-murder-video/
Blogger Inga...Allie Oop said...
Ok. Extremism in ALL its manifestations, whether it be Islamist Supremacy/Terrorism or White Supremacy/Nationalism is abhorrent and a scourge on society.
Once more for the learning disabled.
Inga: "Ok. Extremism in ALL its manifestations, whether it be Islamist Supremacy/Terrorism or White Supremacy/Nationalism is abhorrent and a scourge on society.”-me"
LOL
Buried the islamic extremism criticism again!
Too funny.
She can't help herself.
Inga, in the last several years, have you ever posted a single time about White Supremacy/right wing extremism where you included all the other "isms" in your post?
LOL
We know you haven't.
That is an exclusive privilege you afford to islamic extremism.
Exclusively.
That means every time.
LOL
Unexpectedly.
If she'd just told them to fuck off, I would have loved her forever.
Well, maybe not forever. Just until she reacts to her next speechcrime.
For the learning disabled.
Killing Christians by Islamacists is abhorrent.
Killing Muslims by White Supremacists/Nationalists is abhorrent.
Killing one’s political and religious enemies is abhorrent.
Killing is abhorrent and a sin.
Extremism is abhorrent.
As for Chelsea Clinton, it's funny to see the left's logic at work here. Criticizing the Muslim desire to exterminate the Jews makes you responsible for anything ever suffered by a Muslim again. Opposing their racist, genocidal hate dreams makes you responsible
.
Snort. It's not Islamophobia when they really are trying to kill you.
--Vance
“Buried the islamic extremism criticism again!”
Are you retarded?
“For the learning disabled.
Killing Christians by Islamacists is abhorrent.
Killing Muslims by White Supremacists/Nationalists is abhorrent.
Killing one’s political and religious enemies is abhorrent.
Killing is abhorrent and a sin.
Extremism is abhorrent.”
Inga...Allie Oop said...
"Maybe you should ask Althouse nicely if she’ll write a few blog posts about Islamist Supremacists.... Do you think that I’m in favor of it?"
I'd say that there is much more evidence that Inga favors Islamist Supremacists than there is that the majority of people who speak out against Islamist Supremicism support the violence in NZ mosque. Since most of us have never met Inga, her deep personal feelings are something that only she knows. What we do know that her attacks on those who oppose the spread of Islamic Supremacists is itself powerful support for Islamists.
"You seem to ignore the many times I’ve said extremism is a scourge on society. That might just include your extremism."
That's just a weaselly way of making a moral equivalence between people who are passionate about their benevolent beliefs and those who are all in for a malevolent belief system.
All "extremists" are not the same. It all depends on what belief system the "extremists" are taking to the limit. For example Mahatma Gahndi could be called an extremist, but his extremism was non-violent. Mother Teresa could also be called an "extremist" but what a blessed extremist she was.
I thought Trump's antisemitism was to blame for the shooting. Or is it his pro-semitism? It's tough to keep all this straight.
Ok, so can you condemn the 4 Democrat freshmen congresscritters who support Islam as mass murderers, Inga? They support Islam, and you've just spent 12 hours calling conservatives mass murderers because they are, according to you, "white nationalists who drove this shooter!"
So clearly you will condemn Democrats who support Islam just as vehemently? That massacre of Christians in Nigeria by Muslims is clearly on their head, right? That's your logic, so please: openly condemn Omar, and AOC, and the rest for supporting and inspiring mass murders of Christians.
We all know you won't, though. Even Chelsea Clinton called them out for anti-semitism. You didn't.
--Vance
It's a question of degree. Clearly the Islamists are a significantly greater danger than white supremacists.
whats with the snaps? Is that like a clapping thing? Or is there somethiung more to it.
The world-wide leaders in homophobia, misogyny, and anti-semitism are ...
“Mother Teresa could also be called an "extremist" but what a blessed extremist she was.”
Oh please. This is just nonsense. She was a dedicated. Dedication isn’t extremist.
Narciso is right. Classic Tom Wolfe mau-mau. Clinton fell into the trap of being a flak-catcher.
Its been going on for a long time, notably black vs Jew. Because it is usually Jews caught up as flak catchers, because of where this stuff happens. Sharpton worked that angle.
The Muslim vs Jew thing is even more natural.
Extremism is a negative.
ex·trem·ism
/ikˈstrēˌmizəm/Submit
noun
the holding of extreme political or religious views; fanaticism.
"the dangers of religious extremism"
synonyms: fanaticism, radicalism, zealotry, zeal, fundamentalism, dogmatism, bigotry, militancy, activism; More
Just think, it only took a few years of constant badgering to get Inga to finally, reluctantly, criticize muslim extremists/Islamic supremacists mass murder.
Wow.
Truly a "powerful" statement of opposition.
Another synonym for extremism: Democrats since 2016
Of course, since so very very many democrats are linked to muslim brotherhood groups, groups that raise funds for islamic terrorists, are islamic terrorism apologists, I wonder if, while we are "on a roll" here, Inga will call out these members of her own party and leaders of her preferred movements?
How about The Womens March leadership? Anti-semitic? Yes or No
Ilhan Omar/Tlaib? Anti-semitic? Yes or no
Louis Farrakhan, friend of The Womens March leadership and Smiley Pal of Obama? Anti-semitic? Yes or no
But of course, it's really all pointless isn't it? (as buwaya would happily point out...and has).
If you call everyone who doesn't want unlimited Islamic migration "Bigot! Hater! Islamaphobe!" then you might be a defender of Islamic extremism. Just sayin.
--Vance
That was the point of the exercise:
http://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/10120347/Drone-victims-radicalised-at-mosque
Killing Christians by Islamacists is abhorrent. But common
Killing Muslims by White Supremacists/Nationalists is abhorrent.But rare
Watch to the end of the Hitchens answer to the piece of crap leftist who hates the West and wants to surrender to the islamists (as so many leftists here do):
Excellent. I well remember listening to a speech Hitchens gave in Canada. When he was being critical of Christianity, the audience was clapping wildly but when he brought up the evils of Islam, you could hear a pin drop.
Extreme is just extreme. If its bad or not is a matter of perspective, or divine insight. But what God thinks of it, any given case, is not obvious to us.
Was it pleasing to God that St. Simeon Stylites lived 37 years on a pillar? And inspired many others to such extreme lives?
Was it pleasing to God that St. John Capistrano persecuted Jews, or led a bloody crusade against the Turks?
A great many thought so, in either case. We will find out for sure when we can ask for ourselves and get an authorative answer.
“I'd say that there is much more evidence that Inga favors Islamist Supremacists than there is that the majority of people who speak out against Islamist Supremicism support the violence in NZ mosque. Since most of us have never met Inga, her deep personal feelings are something that only she knows. What we do know that her attacks on those who oppose the spread of Islamic Supremacists is itself powerful support for Islamists. “
I’d say you're full of shit. What do you consider “attacks on those who oppose the spread of Islamic Supremacists”? WTF? Because I say that not ALL Muslims are extremists does not meant I’m in favor of Islamists Supremacy, extremism or terrorism. Because I reject Islamophobia does not indicate that I’m in any way in favor of Islamic Supremacy. I really must ask what is wrong with you people. Listen to yourselves, you sound like extremists. You sound like you’re veering off toward extremism at a rapid pace.
Never criticize a Clinton. Lesson learned.
The holding of an extreme point of view is also very often the key to mighty deeds.
Extremists make things happen. Or start things happening, being the points where cracks begin in established systems. For good or ill.
Inga, the State's Handmaiden, says: "Extremism is a negative."
I'm an extremist. I don't recognize anyone's right to initiate force against me. The homey metaphor I like to use is: if you try to poke me in the eyes a hundred times, I will never concede your right to do so: not for the good of Society, the good of the State, to help the poor, to help the rich, to help the Whites, to help the Blacks, because God says so (whether that God be Allah or the stupid god "liberal" Christians worship)--whatever superstition, shibboleth or excuse you invoke or invent to justify poking me in the eyes--no way, no how. You and your gang may overpower me and force me to submit to getting my eyes poked out, but that doesn't prove your co-called "right" to do so.
A "moderate" would concede your right to poke him in the eyes some of the time, and a middle-of-the-roader would concede your right to do so half the time.
They held a candle-light vigil. Many tears were shed. Songs were sung. Much brave talk. Lots of smug self-congratulation.
Amount of Real world accomplishment? Zero.
The shooter knew he would provoke exactly this reaction among the weak minded that's why he did it, even though he put forth his motive in the manifesto.
"Never criticize a Clinton. Lesson learned."
This could work out for the best. Maybe Moose and Rocco and some of the other boys from the Arkansas Mob could make some Jihadists disappear, to join Kathleen Willey's cat.
"Go it, Clintonistas! Go it, Muslims!"--to paraphrase Abe Lincoln.
“I'm an extremist.”
Indeed, it’s obvious.
FYI one doesn’t need to be an extremist to affect change, to do good in the world. Extremism apologists might need to re-evaluate their principles and right their moral compass.
To take an example, St. John Capistrano, along with the warlord Janos Hunyadi, against overwhelming odds and with the sacrifice of most of their followers, may have bought Christendom a hundred years grace against the Turkish threat.
Who knows what instruments God works through. Very often he uses such people.
As Chelsea ages, the fullness of time is revealing more and more Webb Hubble's success.
Inga the State's Handmaiden warns us that we "need to re-evaluate their principles and right their moral compass."
My principles are summed up in the saying "Don't hurt people and don't take their stuff." My moral compass is that the initiation of force is always wrong. Your principles seem to be: "Go ahead, hurt people and take their stuff. As long, you know, it's for the Common Good."
Of course you were too dense to get my gist here...
“You know though, autophagy can be a very good thing in the human body and the body politic.”-me
————————————————-
“Of course, since so very very many democrats are linked to muslim brotherhood groups( LIE) groups that raise funds for islamic terrorists, are islamic terrorism apologists( LIE), I wonder if, while we are "on a roll" here, Inga will call out these members of her own party and leaders of her preferred movements?”
“Your principles seem to be: "Go ahead, hurt people and take their stuff. As long, you know, it's for the Common Good."”
Wrong again. Too much mind reading and getting it wrong.
You do need to be extreme. The complete dedication to a cause, the acceptance of sacrifice, the decision to accept all costs. That is a requirement. In the end you have to bet your life, and indeed persuade many others to do the same. And accept on their behalf (the very epitome of arrogance), the risk that you are mistaken.
There are no clean hands ways of doing anything, for any end. You cannot not-sin. You can be oblivious about the full scope and consequences of your acts, but that too is sinful.
Wikipedia defines extremism thus:
Extremism means, literally, "the quality or state of being extreme" or "the advocacy of extreme measures or views". The term is primarily used in a political or religious sense, to refer to an ideology that is considered to be far outside the mainstream attitudes of society. It can also be used in an economic context. The term is usually meant to be pejorative. However, it may also be used in a more academic, purely descriptive, non-condemning sense."
Generally, there is nothing wrong with being "far outside the mainstream". But, as far as I can tell, for Inga, "extremism" just means anyone she doesn't like. Anyone Inga dislikes seems to be the same as Islamists.
"Because I reject Islamophobia does not indicate that I’m in any way in favor of Islamic Supremacy. I really must ask what is wrong with you people. Listen to yourselves, you sound like extremists."
There she goes again calling those who disagree with her "extremists". Islamophobia is an oxymoron which seems to have been coined by specialists in Dawah who wanted to shut down criticism of Islam so they invented the nonsensical term which would confuse people into submitting to Islamists. I don't know how much Inga knows about the Koran and Hadiths but if she does then she would know that there can not be such a thing as Islamophobia and if she does not know what is in them then she should stop attacking those of who have actually taken the time to study the religion and who recognize the danger Islam poses.
So if these activists cause Chelsea Clinton to miscarry(due to stressing her) are they guilty of murder?
Mockturtle
The best thing about Hitchens was that he would then express his contempt for such audiences. There is a great clip of him calling Maher's audience of ninnies fools. And giving them the finger.
Did anyone else notice the cult-ish finger snapping(off camera) as Chelsea was being harassed by this lunatic? What the hell is that?
Plot twist in 2022... Chelsea Clinton joins the Republican Party.
Yes but Hitchens dismissed christianity as a solution, what could he offer as a challenging faith to islam.
Wikipedia is no subsitute for an education.
And unfortunately it is also no substitute for experience, in these cases especially in positions of leadership. And even more unfortunately it is no substitute for wisdom.
Wikipedia is best read by people with both the ability and the willingness to dispute wikipedia.
I mean this sincerely.
Wow... Inga actually said it's a great thing that the left is eating itself. Now I've heard it all. Let me guess, Inga thinks the Marxist revolutionaries will win against the corporatist Democrats?
"Wikipedia is best read by people with both the ability and the willingness to dispute wikipedia.
I mean this sincerely."
Excellent! Perhaps buwaya will provide us with the authoritative definition of "extremism?"
LOL
With rare exception, anyone under the age of 30 should be prohibited from uttering any words in a public setting other than “I’d like a grilled cheese on white and a milkshake, please”.
- Krumhorn
So, the Bolsheviks are losing?
Or are the Mensheviks losing?
It's so hard to tell.
I'm with Henry Kissinger.
.....unless they have served in the Marine Corps and have been honorably discharged. . Then they can speak.
- Krumhorn
And several interesting examples here, in the incident and the comments, of words being impediments to understanding. Its a failure of the tool of language, where a concept cannot be presented with its full dimensionality. It is an absurd thing when one argues by pulling dictionary definitions.
"Extremism" is one of those words (a great number of words, in any language) whose meaning is either rhetorical (meant to create an emotional effect, or indeed to express emotion), or is relative to some other condition, or contextual or contingent, assuming one is attempting sincerity in the first place, and have successfully managed to purge your emotions.
Distrust words.
“The complete dedication to a cause, the acceptance of sacrifice, the decision to accept all costs.”
This is not extremism. Why would you want to put a negative connotation on dedication, which is a good attribute.
So bizzare. It’s like you’re arguing just to argue.
So bizzare. It’s like you’re arguing just to argue.
Or you’re trying to paint a good face on extremism. Just remember extremism in the wrong hands is NOT a good thing.
" It is an absurd thing when one argues by pulling dictionary definitions."
I like the definition in the free dictionary even better than Wikipedia but it is all the same to me. But since you don't like Wikipedia here it is from the free online dictionary.
"a tendency to go to extremes or an instance of going to extremes, esp. in politics.". It doesn't seem to change a thing. There is that better?
Unfortunately, the left and their allies the Islamists pervert the language so that people can no longer think clearly. The term "Islamophobia" is that type of word which links a hatred for an ugly ideology with a medical condition in which people have irrational fears of things. So yes, definitions of words mean something.
I, too, would have preferred Chelsea had just told her to fuck off, or maybe use her height and weight advantage to beat the shut out of her. That would have definitely endeared Chelsea to me, but, upon mature reflection, I think Chelsea handled the situation reasonably well. She didn't say she was sorry. She said that she was sorry that her accuser felt that way, i.e. "I'm sorry that you're a self righteous asshole". The accuser comes off looking bad. The accuser was the one who took down the video.......I don't know the etiquette of getting through such moments, but there are worse tactics than the ones Chelsea used.
“There she goes again calling those who disagree with her "extremists"
Um... no.
"So if these activists cause Chelsea Clinton to miscarry(due to stressing her) are they guilty of murder?"
All events took place in NYC. Murdering children in New York State is celebrated, not punished. They lit up buildings for abortionists and murderers of infants.
Very interesting and telling how some of you are working very hard to put a positive spin on extremism. Now why would that be? Hmmmmm?
One mans dedication is anothers extremism. Or that of one age or country or subculture or circumstance against another. There is no ultimate authority to whom to appeal le mot juste.
"So and so is an extremist!" is a verbal attack, not an argument.
We really should be sending James Taylor...
Inga said:
"Or you’re trying to paint a good face on extremism."
Extremism is an epitheth leftists apply to anyone they don't like in order to shut down conversation. Other terms which leftists misuse to smear other people are "racists", "homophobes" or "sexists." Whether the person who is smeared actually has traits which fit the meaning of the words is irrelevant.
“One mans dedication is anothers extremism.”
Wayyyyy to simplistic and probably obfuscation.
Dedication becomes extremism when one has lost their center, theire bearings, their equilibrium.
Why try to elevate extremism?
Because Inga the world is very very complicated. Existence is complicated. Reality is complicated.
A good discussion will seek to understand, or seek to make others understand, not to call people names. The root is the desire for knowledge, uncomplicated in ones own purposes, to the extent possible.
Now, if ones purpose is verbal war, then one does not belong in a civilized place. One is not at table with interesting people, but shouting insults from ones ranks to the ranks on the other side.
"All events took place in NYC. Murdering children in New York State is celebrated, not punished. They lit up buildings for abortionists and murderers of infants."
I think you should be on the terrorist watch list. You're crazy.
Interestingly, inspired by Lo Bai's bio, I've been reading up on Tang history, (including on Wikipedia 😉) where I just happened upon the Guangzhou Massacre. Up to 200,000 foreigners, mainly Arabs and Persians, were murdered by a rebel army. Apparently times were tough and the foreigners were blamed for much of the problems.
“Extremism is an epitheth leftists apply to anyone they don't like in order to shut down conversation.”
Good grief, now this is just stupid. Keep talking, who is stopping you? You seem to like the descriptor of “extremism” when it comes to all Muslims. Interesting and telling.
What is center, bearings, equilibrium?
Who is elevating what?
Try to define, first, all your terms. Do not use a dictionary. Take a walk and think.
You may want to pray, if you are so inclined.
“Because Inga the world is very very complicated. Existence is complicated. Reality is complicated.”
Oh guru Buwaya, I never would’ve figured that out without your wise words.
Just gotta shake one’s head.
Inga- You don't have any problem with leftwing extremism and leftist criminality.
You openly admire Peter Strozk, (calling him a "hero") and said earlier today you'd even vote for the un-indicted felon named Hillary Clinton.
Another form of extremism is media outlets who lie or use bullying and silencing tactics because they don't want to debate with honesty, they want to instead silence with institutionalize leftwing totalitarian speech codes.
“Who is elevating what?”
YOU are attempting to elevate and normalize extremism and falling flat. It’s ludicrous to try to make extremism mainstream, but that is what you’re trying to do. Just remember you may not like the extremism when it affects you.
Extremism is one of many epithets used by any side against the other. Its not limited to left vs right, however defined. Its usually used by both sides against the other if the emotional state of the argument is at that pitch.
You have the same case in any language, just with different words.
“Your principles seem to be: "Go ahead, hurt people and take their stuff. As long, you know, it's for the Common Good."
So elucidate. When do you believe threatening people is justified? Surely you must think so some time or else you wouldn't be such an Eloi for the Hive.
A Jill Stein voter is lecturing the rest of us on extremism.
That's rich.
I am not a humble fellow, and I have in fact often been called a guru, and sensei too.
Sometimes consigliere.
It comes with the profession. I am cool with it.
Retiring now though, to a more unofficial role as, probably, guru, sensei, consigliere.
The amount of extremism that I’ve read over the last 18 months on these threads makes me want to pitch my tent in Althouse’s camp. I’m signing on for boring. I’m gonna be for boring because there just are wayyyyyy too many extremists who don’t realize that being an extremist is NOT a good thing, despite how some would like to spin it to further their own agenda.
Extremism is a word. One without an absolute meaning, and at best a relative one, and even that dependent on circumstances and lacking any standard of application.
This sort of argument is not an argument at all, merely an expression of emotion.
Like I said, take a walk and consider this for yourself, to the extent you can do so sincerely. Leave your identity and emotions behind.
What struck me as weird is the idea that what Chelsea said inspired white nationalists enough to defend Jews by killing Muslims. I always thought white nationalists hated Jews along with blacks, etc. Now those pesky Jews are hypnotizing white nationalists. If it weren't for all the social disapproval white nationalists would have been allied with Muslims in hating Jews. Got it.
In Chelsea's defense, it's hard to defend yourself with rational arguments when people are screaming in your face. Also, she did the right thing for her unborn child by not allowing herself to get stressed out by engaging with those maniacs.
Riiiiiiight. Because some jackhole Aussie eco-fascist was hanging on Chelsea Clinton's every tweet to know when to attack some Muslims. What an ass!
Also, Tucker Carlson has shown us that you shouldn't apologize for anything, ever. It just encourages your enemies, so tell them to go piss up a rope.
It's interesting and instructive that arch-atheist Richard Dawkins now says he favors teaching the tenets and literature of Christianity and Judaism in British schools.
Why? Because historically they both offer values that have benefited and advanced human societies, despite their faults; he calls them "a bulwark against something much worse."
Islam? Not a bit. A legacy of strife, subjugation and shit-holism, around the world.
Boring is never good. Nearly always it means one is not paying attention, one is oblivious, one is zoning out in Jeff Cooper's condition white, when one should be living in condition yellow.
Problems creep up on systems. Things are always going on, trends proceed, the graphs trend up and down. There are people with an inclination to pay attention. They are curious. These people are never bored.
If you're not on board with government whoring, silencing of dissent, lies and corruption from the hack press, you're an extremist.
Trumpit said...
"All events took place in NYC. Murdering children in New York State is celebrated, not punished. They lit up buildings for abortionists and murderers of infants."
"I think you should be on the terrorist watch list. You're crazy."
Did your mother often say that she never wanted you? That you ruined her life?
buwaya - are you familiar with Shibumi?
Jerry Pournelle used to say great things about it.
Next let's see the video where she confronts Omar and blames her anti-semitic tweets for the synagogue shooting. Anyone got a link? I'm having trouble finding that one.
What does Racist AOC have to say about this?
Jesus was an extremist.
Re Shibumi - novel by Trevanian?
Read it once, decades ago, may have got it at an airport somewhere. Dont recall being terribly impressed. Long since lost, left behind or something.
On the one hand the idea of Chelsea Clinton playing a future role in our public life is dispiriting.
On the other hand the thought of terrorist-sympathizing social justice warriors driving our discourse is equally depressing.
Can’t both lose?
Inga...Allie Oop said...
"Good grief, now this is just stupid."
LOL
"You seem to like the descriptor of “extremism” when it comes to all Muslims. Interesting and telling."
Did I call all Muslims "extremists?" I don't remember calling all Muslims extremists. What I do remember saying is that Islam itself is a dangerous supremist ideology. I think that Erdogan stated the facts about so called "moderate Islam" quite well, "These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it."
Too late, Earnest Prole.
I already name-dropped Kissinger.
New evidence finds that Trump and Russian Oligarchs on yachts threw white nationalist jackwrenches into the Boeing airplane scuttle movement department stabilizer hatch because they are racist and because governmetn shut downs cause cancer and plane crashes. and if you don't eat this whole, you are an extremist of the worse kind.
Up next on Maddow and Don Lemon.
oh wait,,,
New evidence links fatal Ethiopian Airlines, Lion Air flights
"Can't both lose?"
The present state is that both (in the sense of their caste, which one can take the protagonists here as representing different factions) have won, save for a rear-guard action by the remnant of their mutual enemies. And of the two victors one is destined to be replaced by the other. One can tell, here, who is being replaced, by who backed down.
Chelsea did not back down she protected her unborn baby from a shower of hate.
Different things.
Muslims, even troublesome ones, aren't extremists in their own context.
The troublemakers can be inconvenient to other Muslims under some circumstances, but this must be understood, the troublemaking vs non-Muslims, as normal behavior. This is a long-established episodic pattern, a, well, not a chronic failure condition, because it often leads to "success", by a general Muslim community definition, but chronic anyway.
This is one of those things that a word cannot describe, a condition of normal abnormality.
I think I am going to quote Ann Althouse on this one:
"My real point here is once you adopt the lifestyle of apologies, you can never do enough. The demands for apologies are endless. Where are you going to draw the line? "
Good question.
I hope and believe that I would have replied to such an attack with something along the lines of:
"Once you adopt the lifestyle of destruction, it has no end. The time and place to draw the line is always now, against all manifestations of hate for groups. I stand by my comments about Omar's comments for the same reason that I stand to mourn those cruelly murdered in New Zealand."
Chelsea did not back down she protected her unborn baby from a shower of hate.
She's pregnant. Congratulations.
Trump and Russian Oligarchs on yachts threw white nationalist jackwrenches
Trump is classified as "Orange" in the diversity schemes. The latter, perhaps Eastern White, or alt-White in a progressive climate (PC).
Hard to comprehend what the girl attacking Chelsea thinks she is doing. I do not think she knows at all, and I do not think it's all that clear to anyone. I mean she's a bully and an asshole. That's clear. But what's it do for her? And why Chelsea for even a second thought to half apologize for is also a total mystery to me. An apology only whets the appetite of these sad barbarian-pretenders. Flick them aside, Chelsea. Had your father done the same during the 2016 campaign when confronted in a similar manner, your mother might be president. Liberals do not seem to see that these radical fascist-communists hate them even more than they do Trump. They need to wake up fast.
Jesus was an extremist.
He rejected diversity, the sexisms, social justice wars, and selective/cannibalized-child.
"She's pregnant. Congratulations."
Hey don't be snide. Lots of wonderful people have done great things despite the faults of their parents.
Unless you are a really really bad person, it is a good thing to be open to having children.
Lots of us in the NYC area have grandparents who used to go drinking with Churchill's father but had to stop associating with him because of disgust (at Churchill's father, who was not all that admirable, in so many ways, particularly in his American days). That does not reflect poorly on the Churchill whom we all have heard of , does it?
“Jesus was an extremist.”
Jesus could pull it off because he is the Son of God. The rest of humankind...not so much.
One mans dedication is anothers extremism.
Exactly. Liberalism is divergent. Progressivism is monotonic. Conservativism saves state. Principles matter.
The girl is pulling rank on Chelsea, asserting status within the leadership caste. She knows who will rule the roost in the future, and she is claiming future rank in that faction. That she may be remembered as the girl who slapped down Chelsea.
Status games mean something.
According to these Pelestinian [Muslim] loving dopey college students, the NZ massacre didn't have anything to do with a clash of civilizations i.e like when that Muslim killed 86 people with a truck in Nice, France and injured hundreds?
"She's pregnant. Congratulations."
Hey don't be snide
I wish her and her child well, without pretense or ulterior motives.
buwaya said...
"Muslims, even troublesome ones, aren't extremists in their own context."
Exactly!
Unless something has changed, ISIS, which murdered many other Muslims, is accepted as genuine Islam by the arbitrars of orthodoxy at Al Azhar University.
“Muslims, even troublesome ones, aren't extremists in their own context."
And when I’ve said that, I’ve been accused of being an ISIS sympathizer.
Ah the Clinton ladies. They get people killed. Just ask Ambassador Stephens---oopsie he's not around anymore.
In Chelsea's case the recent accusation is simply a load of codswallop. In Hillary's case--well her record in that regard reeks.
Inga...Allie Oop said...
Chelsea Clinton didn’t do anything to add to Islamophobia here or in any Western country.
Inga just discovered Muslims call anyone who disagrees with them Islamaphobes. She pretends not to learn it though because that's her accusation to anyone who isn't a left winger. It's a tough position: she's going to defend Chelsea (Team Blue) but she can't give up a valuable weapon.
So she chooses to reveal her hypocrisy but since she her credibility is already literally zero that's the best cost-benefit exchange. It's interesting literally every decision she makes is consistent with defending Team Blue. It's almost like none of her arguments are good faith.
1- Was there a vigil for the 86 killed in Nice, France? And if so, did Chelsea attend it?
2- Did the white Dems, who have dominated the Dem party for decades, really think they would stay in power once the minorities, who the Dems have they have pandered to and gamed the immigration system for, gained the majority?
Those defending Muslim terrorism against the world need to be asked if they are members of CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, which has close ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas. Cair is a listed a terrorist group (except in America) because it funds and incites violence and killing in the name of Mohammad. Incidentally, all Muslim members of the U.S House of Representatives, Keith Ellison, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tliab and Andre Carson are CAIR members, anti-Israel and obviously antisemitic.
Muslims have been killing in the name of Islam forever and the left wing position has been that anyone blaming the inspiring group is not just wrong but and extremist and crazy.
All it took for the left trade places with these so-called extremists was the opportunity to blame Trump for murder.
Then of course we have the even worse step by the usual suspects that Trump supporters are to blame. Amusingly she can never apply her own standards to herself and recognize her own extremism.
The problem is that Islam is a universal religion that is historically wedded to left-wing ideology spread through the scalpel. Unlike diversity (i.e. color judgments) including racism, there is a principled alignment between Muslims.
ISIS is just a recent case of "troublesome" Muslims. Somewhat better organized than its predecesdors, and making better use of technology.
They are just one of a constant, global phenomenon of the same chronic pattern.
In Syria-Iraq of 2013-2019, as in Iraq 2003-2010, in Libya 2012-today, Egypt in Algeria 1991-2002 (arguably ongoing), Egypt (chronic), Sudan (chronic), Somalia (chronic), etc., etc. and etc. almost ad infinitum.
And even the lineages are constant. The House of Saud rode the Wahhabbi outbreak in the 18th century into regional power, and using its descendant the Ikhwan to power its takeover of the Arabian Penninsula in the 1920s. This is the same establishment that hatched Al Qaeda. And, it will probably turn out, ISIS and Turkeys Erdogan regime also.
You can do the same, region by region, country by country, and moreover there is cross-pollination. India's Deobandi drew from refugee Arabian Wahhabbis (there are notes in British Indian accounts of Wahabbi preachers in India). Afghan-Punjabi Deobandi mullahs episodically influenced Philippine Moros way back in the 19th century, and onward. ISIS and its predecessor Al Qaeda/Abu Sayyaf, there is absolutely nothing new here.
Once you know enough the patterns are impossible to miss.
There is a fine line we have to follow in dealing with Muslims. Islam is an ugly supremist ideology which we must attack relentlessly. The people who are trapped by the ideology are a different matter. Many Muslims would gladly leave the religion if they could. Although the law is not universally applied, Islam traditionally imposes the death penalty on anyone who leaves the religion. The shooter in NZ obviously didn't know the difference. The left don't seem to be able to tell the difference either.
Islam is not wedded to left wing ideology. That all is simply opportunism on the part of both.
Both were at times (and only at times) allied against colonialist powers. Otherwise they have been at odds. Algeria, Syria, Afghanistan part I, etc.
The NZ terrorists are a very special case. I think they knew precisely what they were doing. They were not attacking "Islam", and they cared nothing for the conversion or salvation of Muslims. The people they killed, the act of killing, were simply symbols. Even that they did this in New Zealand was probably merely opportunistic.
This was propaganda of the deed, ultimately aimed at US political stability, directed at an obvious political-cultural fault line.
I think a lot of these perpetually aggrieved students would benefit greatly by being told to "fuck off" to their faces more often. The more we try to humor these pussies in school, the worse it will be for them in the real world. Life after college is one continual "fuck off" from the world as they navigate their way, hopefully, to maturity.
There are whole industries (well, using the word "industry" loosely here) of government-bureaucratic, NGO, Qango, foundation, "activist", legal and political employers for these people. Its a massive array.
Inga: "Chelsea Clinton didn’t do anything to add to Islamophobia here or in any Western country."
Very good. Now do Trump...
It amazes me how your ideology has contorted your perception. You will say Trump is a racist for wearing a red hat, and Chelsea is brave for wearing a red had. Within 15 minutes and not an ounce of self-awareness or shame.
Indeed buwaya, the Wahhabis even killed a governor general or two, in india, that's why the foreign office should have known better than to trust in ibn saud, the Deobandi, bedeviled the brits in the northwest frontier, from the warlords of buner, to the fighters of malakand to the fakir of Waziristan,
I thought shibumi was satire, when I read it in the 80s, but the mother company they portray is the deep state artefact we see today, the appendages being the green badge contractors, that employ Nellie ohr and Christopher steele,
whoever the shooter's handler is, he understands the strategy of tension, employed in the 60s and 70s, by associates of the security services and p2, the same security services who a generation later would employ joseph mifsud
“Islam is not wedded to left wing ideology. That all is simply opportunism on the part of both.
Both were at times (and only at times) allied against colonialist powers. Otherwise they have been at odds. Algeria, Syria, Afghanistan part I, etc.
Indeed!
"This was propaganda of the deed, ultimately aimed at US political stability"
And the bitter black irony is that events happening in New Zealand have essentially a zero percent chance of affecting US politics.
Inga: "The amount of extremism that I’ve read over the last 18 months on these threads makes me want to pitch my tent in Althouse’s camp."
Oh please. No one wants you here. Many of us have asked you to go away. Are really going to threaten to leave? Hah. No, you are transparent - you only make the threat as a prop to introduce the cheap shot of calling us "extremists". I challenged to quote ONE post of this "extremism" you are bearing false witness against.
And I still don't understand why Althouse deletes comments that mess up her blog experience, yet continues to subject her guest to your abuse. Meade could easily delete every post you make till this became a waste of effort for you. But instead...
The only reason you post here is to yell at strangers on the internet.
The carefully set up news narrative of the shooters as fascit Trump admirers was obviously British Monarchy wet work.the Five Eyes offices in New Zealand are staffed by MI6 agents with the license to kill. But they are not fooling anyone with this grade B false flag. The Crown is going down with Hillary and Obama.
narciso - according to all I know, it (Shibumi) started as a satire on James Bond-type escapist novels, and then, because the author got bored of writing satire, turned into a reflection on what a real-life James Bond - without the forays into libertine clap (Gonnorhera, syphilis, and Crabs, of which only the Crabs are of any real scientific interest to anyone who is not a doctor) , and without all the ridiculous brand-name consumerism (Jameson's and Johnny Walker obsidian - really?) - would be.
The author, Trevanian, was a life-long friend of Jerry Pournelle's, that is the only reason I know much about him, Pournelle was a truth-speaker back in the day, until the last day of his life, actually, as far as I know. If you are looking to write a Shibumi type novel and can't think of a plot, several of the better novels of James Buchan have fallen out of copyright.
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