As Democrats have moved to the left, Mr. Penn, with his centrist politics, has become alienated from a party in which he once reigned as a winning pollster and is a frequent guest on Fox News and the author of op-ed articles criticizing the special counsel’s investigation as a “partisan, open-ended inquisition.” He has even adopted the president’s term “deep state” to describe people he views as Democratic operatives sabotaging the Trump administration from within the government....
In an email, Mr. Penn played down the significance of the visit.... “Despite my misgivings about the Mueller investigation, let me be clear as a lifelong Democrat under no circumstances would I work paid or unpaid for President Trump nor was this meeting about that in any way.”...
In an interview with Politico Magazine last year, Mr. Penn said that as a White House adviser during Ken Starr’s investigation into Mr. Clinton, he saw up close the emotional damage that a special counsel can wreak on a president and on a functional White House. And he said he saw little difference in how the investigation affected Mr. Clinton then and Mr. Trump now — even though Mr. Clinton never tweeted the words “Witch Hunt!”
“The Clintons didn’t put their emotions on Twitter, but trust me, they had them, and they weren’t particularly different from Trump’s,” he said....
March 2, 2019
"Mark Penn, Ex-Clinton Loyalist, Visits Trump, and Democrats Are Not Pleased."
That's the headline for a column by Annie Karni in the NYT. Excerpt:
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Clinton couldn't say witch hunt because everybody would think of Hillary.
“It’s a god damned coup d’etat!”, is what Clinton reportedly said at the time.
Still trying to compare President Trump to other like situated politicians. President Trump is not a politician. So when a self identified expert makes the comparison, the rest of his opinions carry no weight.
This specific comparison is a great example of President Trump's actions not being influenced by politics.
Penn claims the Clinton's never attacked the Starr investigation. While that may be true, the Clinton's like all politicians, farmed out their wet work to surrogates. President Trump does his own wet work. Very unprofessional for a politician, but not for a man of action.
and, as we know now, the Clinton investigation was NOT a WITCH HUNT. the Clintons have continued their life of crime in the years since.
Russian Blue Dress is a new, impure bred of cat.
What is this- middle school?
Why yes. Yes it is...
That is treasonous of Penn to Tell that Clinton’s played politics. How dare he? Is he a Putin stooge? Mueller, extend your investigation ito him too.
“The Clintons didn’t put their emotions on Twitter, but trust me, they had them, and they weren’t particularly different from Trump’s,” he said....“
I can believe that.
"the president’s term “deep state”"
It's the "president's term," eh? Like, he might not have picked it up somewhere?
The TV news implied this morning that Trump can't grant someone (Jared) a security clearance when the bureaucracy objects. It's a miracle if he doesn't feel besieged. I wish he'd bring down the Presidential hammer on his wayward subordinates, but that would be a crime to his enemies.
Mark Pennsylvania recent articles have been a surprisingly good read, to my surprise.
The Deep State DC rats, who are still reality based, are scurrying to leave the Dems' sinking ship. Penn wants off too. It's going down.
Barring a successful assassination on our beloved President , the odds are that we will experience a complete Trump victory parade that accompanies an outbreak of America First Peace and Prosperity.
The times they are a changing...fast.
Ken Starr was one of Epstein’s lawyers. Like NFL- lawyer Mueller, he’s a very shitty person.
Decent people would have turned the position down. Power hungry jagoffs relish these roles.
Lawrence Walsh was also an asshole.
What does "ex-Clinton loyalist" mean?
Is he no longer loyal to the Clintons?
No. The Clinton's are no longer loyal to him.
They booted him in 2008. Never let a scapegoat return from the desert.
Clinton didn’t have to tweet his objections since he had the entire media, not to mention the feminists marching arm in arm in lockstep to get his arguments out there.
The Speaker's powers are indeed awesome - under the present House rules, but the House can reorganize itself at any time without disturbing the Constitution.
Not so with the Executive branch - Article II speaks of he and him; not it or they.
The President's term "deep state"?
Like most things pinned to Trump by our journalists, I'm pretty sure that term has been around long before Trump. I coined it back at MSU in the 70s.
What does Dick Morris say?
Ben Rhodes operated for 8 years without a security clearance, and he was general Jones minder.
I resent mark Penn because his sinecure is why analog sets dont work anymore, but hes been perspicaceous.
Starr was dinged for his tobacco company representation, but muellers representing of aof Facebook and apple, his firms work for Deutsche bank and qatari investors doesn't register.
I find it sad that, as a lifelong Democrat, he can envision NO circumstances under which he would work for Trump. Minority employment at record highs? Screw 'em, Trump's a Republican. Seeking to eliminate the criminalization of homosexuality in the world? Screw 'em, he's a Republican. Peace in Korea? Screw 'em, he's a Republican. Dem's going so far left they are "putting names on lists" and threatening to implement the most destructive form of governance yet devised? Screw 'em, he's a Republican!
I wonder if, as a lifelong Democrat, he would deign to work for the Sanders campaign - after all, Bernie is no Democrat either.
Not clicking -- but I hope they actually quoted actual Democrats -- important ones, not just some Tweeting idiot -- expressing, on the record, their displeasure.
Otherwise, my inclination is to believe the NYTimes is just trying to invent controversy.
Neither was Henry Wallace, as pointed out he was stalin's stooge and most lefties who would pound their message hellman mailer Vidal mcgovern
1972, here we come!
It ain't easy out here for an apostate.
I only look at vox for some TV reviews and too point in bemusement, but they treat immelts tax loss as a serious enterprise.
Mueller was a water boy for Wall Street as FBI director.
The W DOJ was more interested in getting rid of steroids in baseball than in preventing the financial meltdown. Same thing under Obama.
You shall know them by who they don’t go after.
Eichenwald is a sad little fellow, those Texaco trainer he prompted firing are not amused not the interrogator he regurgitated the narrative against.
"Democratic operatives, led by a former Obama official, bought ads on misleading Facebook pages to suppress GOP turnout in the midterm elections.
The pages appear to be designed to give the impression that they were operated by disgruntled conservatives rather than Democratic operatives.
The operatives were funded by left-wing billionaire Reid Hoffman, who previously funded a “false flag” effort in the 2017 Alabama special"
https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/08/democrat-facebook-campaign-supress/
I'll bet there are quite a few "LLR's" running around online these days....
Because the policy was promoting subprime interest loans, they did see the breaches in the levy but by then they were too late.
While Franklin Raines and a whole host of hangers on were working the crowd, zoellick had moved on to the world bank.
The Clinton’s guilt, especially when compared to Trump’s innocence, seems like a relevant distinction.
Democrat party members are fucking deranged. Old cunt Biden just apologized for saying that the vice president was a decent guy. Apologized because a dumb cunt Hollywood lib whined about it on behalf of her oh-so-tolerant and LoveTrumpsHate prog pals. Because saying that a Christian is a decent person is a bridge too far for Democrat party baby killers, rapists and blackface bigots.
You're the Nazis, Democrat party members. You are the Nazis.
a former top Clinton aide said that Bernie is "irresponsible, counter-productive"; bacause Bernie said that he and Hillary have "fundamental differences "
He said this because he was: "damn sure that beating Trump & getting America back on the right footing is going to require a unified Democratic Party"
In order to obtain the required unification of the Democratic Party, Hillary's people say that anyone that admits that they have differences with her are 'irresponsible' and 'counter-productive'
Pot, please meet kettle?
Ah the most shrewish member of that coven. Whi Cuomo nuked from orbit.
tommyesq@9:02AM That's it, isn't it. Democrat party members openly side with the enemies of America because they're true enemy is the party and the people that love America and wish to preserve and defend it.
saying that a Christian is a decent person is a bridge too far for Democrat party
At least they're clear! The Battle lines have been drawn!
No Christians are permitted in the Democrat party!
No White males are permitted in the Democrat party!
No LEGAL immigrants are permitted in the Democrat party!
No ONE with Any Love for America are permitted in the Democrat party!
Seems like a winning strategy
Caddell, Penn.....seems like a LOT of thinkers have left the Lefty Corral.
Mark Penn provided the money ball stats that prevented Senate conviction while achieving world record approval ratings.
Trump must be desperate
Pelosi is following Penn's advice.
Et tu Howard
https://babalublog.com/2019/03/02/ignoring-the-misery-in-venezuela-and-celebrating-a-mass-murderer-the-un-human-rights-council-is-rotten-to-its-core/
Orwell knew what he was talking about:
https://spartacus-educational.com/Noel_Field.htm
More accurate headline: "Democrats in Media upset over Penn's visit to Trump".
I don't follow your conspiracy nonsense narisco
What would Vernon Jordan do?
The last Is history, where ocasio Cortez ends up, the earlier is as obvious as strangeloves reflexive salute
Penn like dershowitz has called out legal malpractice in the past. He cant fully separate himself from the hive.
Clinton didnt need to tweet, he had a chorus of a 10,000 not least of which in the very networks
Ah yes remember they had pulled major townmey and at least one other that Flynn had appointed to the NSC
“The TV news implied this morning that Trump can't grant someone (Jared) a security clearance when the bureaucracy objects. It's a miracle if he doesn't feel besieged. I wish he'd bring down the Presidential hammer on his wayward subordinates, but that would be a crime to his enemies.”
This, of course stinks. The idea that a bureaucrat working for, and utilizing power devolved from, the President can prevent him form having and utilizing whatever close advisors he wants, is ludicrous. In the early Clinton White House, a lot of the staff didn’t have security clearances, it was surmised by many, because of drug use. No matter. That President likely his toot too. And those security clearances were ultimately issued, despite that they would normally be denied. Here, a bureaucrat doesn’t like the man called Trump’s Brain. Possibly his closest advisor and coincidentally his son-in-law. That bureaucrat needs to reread the first sentence in Article II of our Constitution. Among other things, Kushner is the one behind the reproachment between Israel and Saudi Arabia (and the probably the one protecting the Saudi crown prince). Much of it is due to Kushner’s personal relationships with the key players. And thus screw up a critical piece of American foreign policy. For one thing, it is reported that the Saudis are talking with Israel about the latter providing a nuclear umbrella over Mecca and Medina, Islam’s 2 holiest sites(#3, Jerusalem, is already covered). This may keep the Saudis from going nuclear themselves. He needs a security clearance for that, and this bureaucrat is attempting to screw that up by refusing to grant the required security clearance. All this presumably based on the grounds that OrangeManBad, so his son in law must be almost as bad.
Yes major townley was the canary in the coal mine
Penn seems to represent a small but potentially crucial element of our political establishment, namely folks who don't really want to admit just how corrupt and elitist our system has become but who still recognize that the shredding of all standards in the service of Trump-hate is a bad thing.
Mike
Democratic operatives, led by a former Obama official, bought ads on misleading Facebook pages to suppress GOP turnout in the midterm elections.
The pages appear to be designed to give the impression that they were operated by disgruntled conservatives rather than Democratic operatives.
The operatives were funded by left-wing billionaire Reid Hoffman, who previously funded a “false flag” effort in the 2017 Alabama special election.
Clinton didn't have to tweet, he had the press at his back once the full story about Lewinsky was out, before that, though, he was hounded for 8 months, even by media that would otherwise be helpful to him. Before Lewinsky, though- Whitewater was routinely played down by everyone not named The Wall Street Journal.
Dad29: "Caddell, Penn.....seems like a LOT of thinkers have left the Lefty Corral."
Still plenty of far left lunatics and their LLR allies safely within the Lefty Corral.
Big Mike said...
And he said he saw little difference in how the investigation affected Mr. Clinton then and Mr. Trump now — even though Mr. Clinton never tweeted the words “Witch Hunt!”
He didn't need to. He had Hillary rant about the "vast, right-wing conspiracy".
Yes and they dismissed that subsequently, too small fry.
Didn't Truman also receive a bunch of crap for relying on his "kitchen cabinet" of former W.W.1 vets and local politicos to meet and consult with? That time it was republican blue noses crapping and griping about someone who they felt was an accidental president and not worthy of the job. This is nothing new to history.
The pages appear to be designed to give the impression that they were operated by disgruntled conservatives rather than Democratic operatives.
The operatives were funded by left-wing billionaire Reid Hoffman,
@Seeing Red, does that sound like anyone who comments regularly on Althouse posts?
That time it was republican blue noses crapping and griping about someone who they felt was an accidental president
The Republicans took the House in 19458, of that is what you mean,
And that was mainly because of bread and butter economic issues, the foreign policy came later.
And he said he saw little difference in how the investigation affected Mr. Clinton then and Mr. Trump now — even though Mr. Clinton never tweeted the words “Witch Hunt!”
Mr. Clinton left office in January 2000. Jack Dorsey did not create Twitter until 2006, and it wasn't really big for another five or six years or so. There no doubt in my mind that if it have been around during the Whitewater investigation that Clinton would certainly have used it.
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I will add that I thought of the Clintons as a pair walking, taking tear ducts for the eight years of his presidency.
“The Clintons didn’t put their emotions on Twitter, but trust me, they had them, and they weren’t particularly different from Trump’s,” he said....
Since the Clinton presidency ended in 2001, and the the company that invented Twitter didn't screw us until 2006 when the first Tweet was launched. Bubba would have had to use a time machine to make this failed logic mean anything.
Yes, we are expected to believe a President who wetted his cigars with an intern's vagina in the Oval Office would have been too classy to vent on twitter.
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