I wonder why. Is it just a matter of time? Steel yourself when they all come after you and wait. They'll go somewhere else soon enough.
Or did something else happen that drove the story out of the news? Was it just big news — Trump's "emergency"? Or something that specifically offset the Northam story — maybe the Jussie Smollett story: Maybe some people don't want to think about why Northam made himself into a fake black man if we're worried that Jussie Smollett made up some fake white men.
Smollett's possibly fake white men were outright hateful and they make black people feel that they are hated, and Northam's fake black man was more ambiguous, perhaps more mockery than hate and even possibly admiring (if it really was about imitating Michael Jackson). And, of course, what Smollett did — if he did it — happened just a couple weeks ago and Northam's idiocy is more than 30 years in the past.
ADDED: If it turns out that Smollett staged an elaborate hoax, how do you think it will/should be resolved? Obviously, one answer is criminal prosecution and punishment.
But — especially if he would continue to assert that he was attacked — it might be better for everyone involved if Smollett were allowed to escape all punishment if he would only clearly explain that it was a hoax, acknowledge that it was very wrong, and give a sincere apology. I'd be happy to forgive if we could get out a strong message that hoaxes like this are cruel and destructive.
Another scenario I've pictured is something about mental illness and rehabilitation. We'd learn that Smollett is unwell and will get treatment, which is problematic because it might feel like another hoax.
By the way, I hope it's a hoax. Aware that I'd prefer it to be a hoax, I'm wary of talking about it as a hoax at all. Maybe it happened, and if it did, Smollett deserves empathy for both the attack and the doubting of his integrity.
AND: A montage of media people and politicians conveying Smollett's allegations as if they were proven facts:
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 361 of 361“Because I’ve seen through you and your hatred of America for a long time now.”
“I'm sure there is a line of reasoning that allows you to take the position that those wearing the slogan "Make America Great Again" hate America.”
America has always been great, warts and all, no need to make it great led by one of history’s most not-great people. I have no hatred for you people, I have pity for you that by now you haven’t roused yourselves from the fraud of Trumpism. It’s cultish. Wake up.
For the life of me, my brain cannot translate, POC, as person of color. It always comes out as, piece of crap.
For me, "POC" initially seems like the singular of "POX" even though pox is already singular.
POW = people of white.
“Which is good news for Republican because now they have a precedent to cite while ignoring the twitter mob.”
Exactly. Northam and Fairfax are money in the Republican bank. I’ve been impressed at how the Republicans have been keeping their powder dry on this one.
“Can we admire Smollett for running scam on *Nigerian* and dropping them into process crime.”
No. What he did in all respects isn’t admirable. I as a liberal have no qualms saying that.
There is way to much anger and hatred here being directed, by some, at Ann Althouse. If you can't talk with and argue with someone like Althouse then there is no hope.
I understand why people are angry. It is terrible what is happening. But apart from the fact that Althouse is a wildly inappropriate target for this anger, this hatred does no good. It does you no good. It probably physically hurts you. You need to let go of it. Experience it and then let go of it.
Inga: "No kidding. I live in that world out there and compare it to this place daily and the comparison is stark and ugly."
We know. Your bitterness is a constant reminder that you are squatting in some hell of your own creation.
Change your world.
Which for you means
1) stop fighting the staff when its Med Time
2) stop biting the other patients
Yeah!! Just have him apologize - everyone will learn from that and this won't happen again!
“There is a world out there outside Althouse.”
No kidding. I live in that world out there and compare it to this place daily and the comparison is stark and ugly.
"I understand why people are angry."
What do you understand? Why do you think people are angry? Because I'm not sure you really understand. Indulge me and explain please. Why is her take on this so objectionable for some?
Remember Saint Alyssa Milano said simply wearing a MAGA hat is a hate crime
Smellit would prop up this assertion with his hoax
by smearing the minority "MAGA community".
2) stop biting the other patients
8) Made a list of all persons we had bitten, and became willing to make amends to them all.
Show of hands:
How many here think that 12 randomly chosen Chicago jurors would agree unanimously that Jussie is guilty of anything?
Hung juries as far as the eyes can see...
This entire affair will join the Dukies, UVA, COvnington boys, et al., in the dustbin of history.
I just received the following comment from the future on my proprietary wormhole device:
Inga...Allie Oop's Daughter said...
Link:
"Geraldo Rivera's son claims to have found a potential stash of Mueller investigation material that might be sealed in the walls of a drab Washington D.C. office once occupied by the Special Counsel's investigative team during their investigation that ran from Spring 2017 until President Ivanka Trump ordered it shut down just after her re-election in November 2028."
As I told everyone, we still don't know what Robert Mueller knew! My mother will be vindicated!
6/17/41, 10:56 AM
Northam wore blackface
now the citizens of his state must attend sensitivity training conducted by Northam
see how that works?
No matter what happens you deplorables caused it
The instant I hear that a "noose" was involved in any story, I automatically assume it's a hoax.
The word "hoax" reminds me of a PT Barnum vignette, or an alien autopsy, or Loch Ness pictures, or perhaps a caper from the files of MXYZPTLK versus Superman.
Smollett didn't perpetrate a hoax. It's a criminal fraud with criminal penalties attaching.
His defense is half-established by describing it as a hoax.
Hey Inga
I woke up today and Hillary STILL is never going to be president.
Police were told the two men yelled "'Empire' fa***t" and "'Empire' n***er'" while striking him.
Was it the fa***t part of Juicy or the n***ger part that influenced him to stage this calumny? Or was it the J*w part? It can't be any of the first two parts because fa***ts are saints by definition, and n***ers are beatified by definition. J*ws are either saints or Nazis depending on how they vote.
By the First of March, Juicy will be doxed by MSNBC as a Jewish Republican.
Err..tying in with the vag-ergy/creativity probing earlier:
NEW: Sources say at least one of the brothers purchased the rope used in Jussie Smollett incident at Crafty Beaver hardware store the weekend of Jan 25th.
"For the life of me, my brain cannot translate, POC"
I find it racist, implying that Caucasians have no skin color.
Marginalizes.
Place a Caucasian hand against this white background and compare.
Light Brown.
"People of Color" also reminds me of "Colored People"
They might as well go back to using "Negro".
Its a racist expression. It should be banned.
Having brushed up on his moon-walking, Northam has added the trademark "Tee hee!" and crotch grab for defiant punctuation.
Instead of masturbating in front of his co-worker like a normal, self respecting actor, Smollett involved him in an elaborate, yet rickety plot. Smollett like many actors is into self aggrandizement but this is a quantum jump above the others. It's possible that he's a sick puppy, but mental illness should not disguise his real problem. The guy is stupid. How do people this stupid master such complicated motor skills as tying their shoelaces?........The remarkable thing, however, is not his stunning stupidity, but how readily people were willing to believe in his fable.
Inga wrote: No kidding. I live in that world out there and compare it to this place daily and the comparison is stark and ugly.
Inga returns daily to contribute to the ugliness. One might note that it only gets ugly when she posts one of her bon mots.
"NEW: Sources say at least one of the brothers purchased the rope used in Jussie Smollett incident at Crafty Beaver hardware store the weekend of Jan 25th."
-- If I were the cop, I'd say this shows the assault was premeditated, and given Smollett's description, attempted murder. I'd bring those charges up, publicly, and say if anyone knows WHY we shouldn't charge these two men with attempted murder, augmented by whatever hate crime multiplier exists, they should come forward.
It is time to play hard ball.
Fen,
True..as if whiteys are TRANSlucent...
Shout out to the commentator up-thread who said Hate-Crime Hoaxes should be charged as Hate Crimes.
Exactly right. Love it.
AG Barr are you reading this? Send the Feds in to nail some of these hoaxers. The Chigago political machine will squash this, so send in the Feds! Politically, it will be fantastic.
It is time to play hard ball.
Yes, in an alternate universe, it would be psychically satisfying to watch the Left have to decide between supporting Smollett or the two Nigerians in a criminal court proceeding.
I'd be interested to see if Smollet was loyal enough to them to admit it was a hoax at that point, or if he'd ride it all the way out. It'd be an interesting test of character.
"People of Color" also reminds me of "Colored People"
They might as well go back to using "Negro".
Its a racist expression. It should be banned.
It's [racial] diversity or color judgment. While color is an undeniable physical attribute, it is also a low information evidence about individual character.
Jussie's lie went worldwide. He owes every Chicagoan $1000 for pain and suffering/loss of income.
To what end is the means of Smellit?
The lefties collectively desire to designate MAGA as a hate group.
Once Trump supporters are terrorists, they get the kidde porn treatment.
All arguments are lost because of who made the argument.
You are free to "punch a Nazi" for wearing a hat.
Your Antifa can hit them with bicycle chains.
Nothing to do with logic, its instinctual, like driving in traffic in India or Vietnam. Push in the direction till you get where you want to be.
"American society is built on appeals to universal values."
Are you sure about that? I used to think something along those lines. However, the events of this century are disabusing me of the notion. What values do you consider universal? I'm not even sure what counts as a shared "American" value anymore, let alone "universal".
He'll try to run out the clock, claim a memory lapse, obfuscate, maybe suddenly get sick and check into a hospital. The press will be full of sympathetic and respectful stories, then go silent. He'll stage a suicide attempt. Claims that he is guilty will be depicted as racist harassment and detrimental to his mental state. The investigation will peter out without his cooperation and then one or five years from now he'll reemerge with his victimhood story. By that point it will be impossible to completely disprove, for people with a certain agenda.
Suppose it comes to trial. He can claim that the two Nigerians attacked him unprovoked. The two Nigerians will claim that it was a consensual setup. Even one sympathetic juror can consider this a sufficient reason to not convict, because of doubt.
Then the press will write that everyone has been exonerated and the search for the "true" culprits will continue.
Media will always portray him as a victim, because according to their theories he is a victim of the system. It doesn't matter who did it, whiteness made them do it. They can proclaim him innocent using this sort of doublespeak, saying one thing and meaning another.
Blogger Inga...Allie Oop said...
“Althouse is not "Trump Land".
You only perceive it as such because you live in an insular bubble.”
Really? Which bubble would that be?
--
Madison: "x square miles surrounded by reality"
"Media will always portray him as a victim, because according to their theories he is a victim of the system."
-- I doubt it. The media is realizing that they can't cover for every bad actor (hah, accidental pun -- I've never seen his stuff, he made be a good actor, but you know what I mean.) Some will need to be sacrificed to protect the ones that matter.
Smollett, probably, isn't important enough to protect, and will happily be sacrificed to build credibility for protecting Northam or Fairfax.
Looks like those racist bigoted white supremacist, MAGA-hat wearing, Confederacy-loving, pickup Truck-driving nazi traitors in India have reached their limit with terrorism from Inga's beloved islamic supremacists after the latest islamic supremacist terrorist attack in India which, of course has nothing to do with islam, and besides how bad can it be if no one who was slaughtered was named "Heather Heyer"?
We may not be talking about it, but I can tell you, the checkpoints around the Governor's mansion remain.
Smollett backed away from the MAGA hat contention:
"I don't need some MAGA hat as the cherry on top of some racist sundae.".
I thought that was pretty creative, for a guy who is not likely celibate.
However,
"Plain red hats worn by brothers were purchased from an Uptown beauty supply store." @cbschicago https://cbsloc.al/2SJo6mP
Matthew Sablan said...
"Was that carjacking actually a hate crime, or just a regular crime where the victim differed in race from the criminal(s)?"
Good point. They're all just regular crimes, until Whitey gets hurt.
Debunking has little effect on those willing to suspend disbelief. There are still plenty of people who believe the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in spite of a century or more of debunking.
Rumor has it Smollett's GMA appearance infuriated Rahmbo into releasing the hounds.
Obviously the optimal punishment for Smollett is to disfigure his face do that he can never get another acting job, except as an extra in a horror flick. Damn you, Eighth Amendment.
I wonder if Smollett has studied Dirty Harry movies and hate-hates Eastwood ...
Isn't there guy who arrange to get beat up and blame Harry?
Honestly after this, I don't think a lot of people are willing to risk hiring the guy. Like, there's certain "Crazy" you accept when working with people from Hollywood. Then, there's this. Then again, people would hire Roman Polanski still if he was allowed back in the country, so comparatively, this really isn't that disqualifying, is it?
The remarkable thing, however, is not his stunning stupidity, but how readily people were willing to believe in his fable.
Not really. It's a facet of the primal need for validation. The more tenuous and improbable the premise the more readily and desperately those who hold that premise must seize upon any myth or rumor or pure invention that offers validation to their febrile minds.
An example: The pseudoscience known to its followers as cryptozoology is now dominated by young-Earth creationists. Unaccountably, they believe that the survival of a Mesozoic species held by legitimate science to be extinct would somehow fatally discredit the entire body of knowledge, ranging from astrophysics to geology, which demands an Earth 4.5 billion years old in a universe that's 13.8 billion years old. With the fall of Science, their favored ancient Hebrew creation myth will arise triumphant (Though totally ignoring various Hindu, Daoist, and animist competitor myths whose adherents outnumber Christians considerably.) Consequently, they seize with a deathlike grip onto any cockamamie report of bioluminescent grave-robbing pterosaurs or cold-water plesiosaurs who apparently neither eat nor breathe more than once a year.
We can see the same pathetic straw-clutching in the manners and preoccupations of Flat-Earthers, socialists (Trump is destroying Venezuela!) and Democrats (Russia! Homophobic racist Nazis!).
It's a hoax. It stunk from the beginning. Only someone not from Chicago would think they could get away with this.
His career is over. I'd be willing to bet he was going to be written off the show and the producers didn't want to admit so to avoid being drawn into the middle of this. He's definitely leaving the show now.
Gotta agree with Kevin early on in this thread – we really ought to be talking about the fact that the federal law enforcement establishment in this country considered staging a coup. But that's too depressing, so lets talk about mentally unstable actors instead.
Two-eyed Jack: We are being told that the supposed values are fake and that we must reorganize our thinking along tribal lines. I resist this way of thinking and would urge others to do the same.
You don't have power over anybody's "way of thinking" but your own. You can make an effort to persuade people before things get out of hand, but once a critical mass of people "go tribal", your personal resistance to a tribal viewpoint isn't worth diddly.
I'd like to think that there's a "silent majority" of Americans out there of every stripe who will put their feet down and say "enough of this bullshit" before the tribalists burn down everything. But "we" aren't the people we used to be (who's "we" anyway?), and the tribalists you deplore are already pretty damned crazy and vicious, with no sign of their being willing to step back and chill out, ever. More importantly, they have the support of the very people and institutions that are supposed to be there to protect well-intentioned people like you.
“Smollett's possibly fake white men were outright hateful...”
How can fake people be outright hateful?
Shouldn’t we wait to find who attacked him before deciding who’s hateful?
I "hate" the fact that we have "hate crime" laws. The behavior is what should be punished -- there's really no reason to try to read motivation.
BUT, as long as we're going to have them, *faking* a "hate crime" to frame people with a political orientation that differs from yours really *is* a "hate crime".
"Book 'em, Danno. Hate Crime 1. 60+ million counts."
“We’re not talking about Gov. Northam anymore” because he’s a Democrat—and because the next two Democrats in line have skeletons in their own closets.
buwaya: This is typical of the Ingas...I would say that such a statement is a sign of insanity, if it were not for the certainty that the speaker is insincere.
I don't know why any regular here feels the need for any but the obvious explanation for the character of Inga's comments: she's really stupid. (See her response @11:14 above for another, if entirely redundant, confirming datum.)
Any other exasperating character failings on display are secondary.
"...if he would only clearly explain that it was a hoax, acknowledge that it was very wrong, and give a sincere apology. I'd be happy to forgive if we could get out a strong message that hoaxes like this are cruel and destructive."
This would be good penance for those who smeared their countrymen, instead of for the perpetrator himself.
I watched the clip Althouse posted. A number of the newspeople remark on how "unbelievable" such an attack is without ever going on to question its credibility.......I feel far more antagonistic to the newspeople and celebrities who gave such enthusiastic support for Smollett and were so luxuriant in their hatred of people who wear MAGA hats. Ditto with Phillips. Does anyone in the news media or Hollywood have any idea how bad these hoaxes make them look or do they even care?
“[I]t might be better for everyone involved if Smollett were allowed to escape all punishment....”
Right. ’Cause even if it didn’t happen, we all know that it *could’ve* happened, Chicago being such a hotbed of MAGA-ism and all.
Paco Wové said...
Gotta agree with Kevin early on in this thread – we really ought to be talking about the fact that the federal law enforcement establishment in this country considered staging a coup. But that's too depressing, so lets talk about mentally unstable actors instead.
They did not consider staging a coup.
They ATTEMPTED a coup- and failed. The Mueller investigation, one of their tools, lives on as do all federal investigations, but it didn't get it's target.
Admiral Rogers will, in he end, be a hero of the story when it's fully told. There will be others. Look at the campaign promises Trump has kept to date. Particularly judges. Imagine what he could have accomplished on border security in his first two years with both houses controlled by Republicans if he had been able to concentrate on governing rather than surviving.
I'd be happy to forgive if we could get out a strong message that hoaxes like this are cruel and destructive.
That's mighty big of you considering you're not the one being smeared by it.
The rest of us - you know, those deplorable, white, racist Trump voters? I want jail time for the asshole. Otherwise, they'll just keep doing it over and over and over again.
Via Insty:
You and your media clown show don’t get to spend two weeks exploiting an obvious lie to abuse Trump supporters.
And then dictate terms when your lying and/or stupidity is exposed.
Quote Tweet
S.E. Cupp
@secupp
The giddiness among Trumpsters over the Smollett news is gross. This story is awful. He allegedly abused police resources, exploited raw divisions in this country, and made it harder for every victim of a hate crime to report. This is sad no matter your politics.
1:05 p.m.
Sen. Cory Booker, who called the alleged attack on Jussie Smollett a “modern-day lynching” after the actor reported it, is withholding judgment on reports alleging Smollett is under investigation for possible involvement in his own assault.
Booker told reporters after meeting with hundreds of voters in Rochester, New Hampshire, that he would reserve judgment “until all the information actually comes out from on-the-record sources.”
The Democratic presidential candidate turned his focus back to combating hate crimes broadly. Booker called for a unified pushback against “attacks on people because they’re different.”
Then Cory should put on a MAGA hat in support of attacks on people because they’re different.
“This is MAGA country” is something that someone who is terrified of Trump voters- but doesn’t know any Trump voters- would think that Trump voters would say
-Buck Sexton
This is a common thread with the many, many fake crimes used to slander Trump voters. The nature of the "attack", and the description of the "assailant" align with a stereotype liberals conjure up in their mind of what a Trump supporter would be. They know of none personally.
Angle-Dyne, Samurai Buzzard said...
"I don't know why any regular here feels the need for any but the obvious explanation for the character of Inga's comments: she's really stupid."
Yup. Just another Igna-rant.
anyone who thinks Chicago is MAGA country is an idiot.
Cory Booker is one of those people that causes me to wonder, "Do I share any values with this person?" The rest of the Democratic batting lineup tends to strike me the same way.
“The vicious attack on actor Jussie Smollett was an attempted modern-day lynching,” Booker tweeted in January.” I’m glad he’s safe. To those in Congress who don’t feel the urgency to pass our Anti-Lynching bill designating lynching as a federal hate crime– I urge you to pay attention.”
Then Cory should put on a MAGA hat in support of attacks on people because they’re different.
That would be sincerely contrite and moderate catastrophic anthropogenic climate change forced by projections of diversity and political congruence.
Jim said: "The rest of us - you know, those deplorable, white, racist Trump voters?"
Imagine if one of the cameras happened to pick up a couple of blue collar white guys rambling home from a bar or something. The hell they would have caught.
Blogger Inga...Allie Oop said...
“Althouse is not "Trump Land".
You only perceive it as such because you live in an insular bubble.”
Really? Which bubble would that be?
--
Walter said...
“Madison: "x square miles surrounded by reality"
I don’t live in Madison. I live in the reddest county in WI.
Instead of proposing special treatment for this dope Jussie, why don't we tty, for once, to just apply and enforce the laws as written. If that means he goes to jail so be it. If that means the Nigerians get deported for committing a felony, so be it.
Many of the problems and issues today are due to the fact that we have not applied nor enforced the laws as written. Maybe if we actually deported illegals and jailed employers who hired them, we would not be fighting over the need for a wall. Robert Mueller, whose jib was to determine if there was collusion with Russia in the 2016 election, wants to put a tax evader, Paul Manafort, in jail for 20 years because Manafort was part of Trump's campaign.
Yet Sandy Berger, Bill Clinton's Nat Sec Advisor, stole documents related to the 911 investigation from the National Archives, was caught and pleaded down to a misdemeanor.
There needs to be equal application and enforcement of our laws or we are headed for anarchy.
I need te the difference between national news media, who apparently get their news from the Ingas of thecworld, and the local reporters in Chicago who stayed on this. They worked their sources at the police department and kept us locals informed of developments, including those not favorable to Smollett. The national media proved they are dopes who consult their prejudices before they report a story.
Of course, anyone who knows anything about Chicago knew that Smollett’s tale was as extremely unlikely—time, location, weather, views of the locals, details of the “attack” were so unlikely as to be preposterous .
Kudos to the local media and the CPDvfor staying on it. I think Jussie thought they would be mystified and then drop it, letting him trumpet his victimization by Trump. Boo-hoo.
I hate touchscreens.
Jussie wanted to keep hate alive.
Wind up the troops expecting more Trump
supporters, or just white people in general, to get their asses beat in revenge for the MAGA's attacking the poor gay black man.
(From yesterday)Reddit guys predict the future:
[–]JessumB 297 points an hour ago
Step 1. Apologize if anyone was offended
Step 2. Enter Rehab
Step 3. Exit Rehab
Step 4. Pat yourself on the back for starting a conversation
Step 5. Life goes on as normal
[–]bupdup [score hidden] an hour ago
5 years from now do an interview about how it was a very dark period of your life and how much you regret it every day. Pat yourself on the back some more.
[–]nonresponsive [score hidden] 50 minutes ago
You forgot the part where you write a book and then get interviewed about it.
[–]ayyyvocado 260 points an hour ago
I'm waiting for the moment when he starts saying the police are racist and should leave him alone and start investigating real crimes.
They spent two weeks have him pay the cost out of his own pocket,
Inga wrote: I don’t live in Madison. I live in the reddest county in WI.
Idiocy is an archipelago.
The Smollett beating hoax is Democrat dirty pool, designed to influence voters against Trump, with Nigerian collusion.
The Smollett threatening letter hoax, with the suspicious white powder, is a terroristic threat, and he needs spend time behind bars, locked up with dangerous men, no matter how much he enjoys it.
The question for me is if any one in congress has the cajones to loudly and openly propose "Hoax Crime" laws to make it a felony for reporting false racial attacks? Then make it a personal crusade to get democrats to sign on in the spirit of bipartisanship. This is how you know the republican party is just a uniparty scam. They never take open opportunities to make the democrats play by the same rules they hit the republicrats with at every opportunity.
There needs to be equal application and enforcement of our laws or we are headed for anarchy.
Exactly. Rules for all or rules for none.
And rules for none is looking better and better with each passing day.
I wonder if Althouse has ever seen the movie Stalag 17. There is a scene where one POW tells another POW " I believe! I Believe!". Althouse reminds me of that character in the movie who wants to believe. Perhaps she still wants to believe in Santa Clause. Rather touching in a way. The Ingas on the other hand know better, they know it's a lie but its useful lie in the service of the revolution. The revolution is the real lie they believe in.
Amadeus 48 wrote "I hate touchscreen."
"Inca" isn't a bad typo; she believes in human sacrifice.
“The revolution is the real lie they believe in.”
“Althouse reminds me of that character in the movie who wants to believe. Perhaps she still wants to believe in Santa Clause.”
What Revolution? You folks like to convince yourselves of things that aren’t there in reality. You have the balls to accuse Althouse of being gullible or whatever you’re accusing her of being? YOU believe in the boogyman. YOU believe!
LOL
Inga: "You folks like to convince yourselves of things that aren’t there in reality."
The hoax golden dossier gal is lecturing others.
Let's listen in....
Inga...Allie Oop said...
I don’t live in Madison. I live in the reddest county in WI.
Safer and more friendly there, right? Much nicer people. Can't blame you for making the move.
The two Nigerian brothers arrested in connection with the assault on "Empire" actor Jussie Smollett are no longer suspects in the attack. They're now cooperating with police.
A source close to the investigation confirms to CBS News the brothers told detectives Smollett paid them to participate in the alleged attack on January 29 and that they purchased the rope — which was found around Smollett's neck — at a nearby hardware store. The source said detectives have evidence to corroborate the sale, something the men's attorney alluded to Friday night.
fake noose
Inga: "You folks like to convince yourselves of things that aren’t there in reality."
And yes, Inga literally posted that on a thread where the jussie smollett hoax is being discussed.
The jussie smollett hoax that every single lefty everywhere jumped on without a second thought and then used this hoax event to accuse every republican/Trump voter of being an attacker of gay black actors.
LOL
History didn't just begin anew this morning for Inga, it began anew for her 37 seconds ago.
Let's listen in....
Speaking of which, when we gonna hear those numerous terrible Trump tapes?
I been waiting couple of years now, am beginning to wonder if their existence may be another hoax. Unlikely, I know...
"A strong message that hoaxes like this are cruel and destructive"
This is worth nothing if the people who support the hoaxes are perfectly aware that it's cruel and destructive and are totes okay with that. They were deliberately cruel and destructive, and pointing that out won't make them feel a sliver of shame or change their plans to continue. All available evidence points to that being the case. Cry "Republians Pounce!" and let loose the next cruel and destructive hoaxes.
The answer is prosecution and jail time equal to what the fake perps would have received had it been real. Doubled.
Inga...Allie Oop said...You have the balls to accuse Althouse of being gullible or whatever you’re accusing her of being?
--
Better than calling her a "dumb bitch".
The answer is prosecution and jail time equal to what the fake perps would have received had it been real. Doubled.
Nah, six months in County, thousand hours of community service lecturing why fake hate crimes and hate is wrong(as suggested by others) and, most important, public humiliation and disgrace.
AJ Lynch wrote: "There needs to be equal application and enforcement of our laws or we are headed for anarchy."
Too reasonable, AJ. Too sensible.
"Northam's idiocy is more than 30 years in the past
(1) 1984 was NOT that long ago"
Last time I looked in the dictionary, 35 years is more than 30 years. What's your name?
Candace Owens
Verified account @RealCandaceO
8h8 hours ago
Candace Owens Retweeted Larry Elder
CORRECT.
From Brett Kavanaugh to Covington Catholic, to Gillette razors and the #JussieSmollettHoax... it is UNDENIABLE that white, straight males have become the new target of acceptable hate and racism.
ALL racism is unacceptable and Jussie should go to prison.
Larry Elder
Verified account @larryelder
Actor @JussieSmollett, apart from filing a false police report, committed a hate crime against white male heterosexuals. Will he be so charged?
#JussieSmollettHoax
“Safer and more friendly there, right? Much nicer people. Can't blame you for making the move.“
I’ve lived here in this county for the last 42 years. It’s no safer than Dane County. And people are people, there are the good, the bad and the ugly wherever you live.
“Better than calling her a "dumb bitch".”
Actually no it isn’t.
Inga...Allie Oop said...
“The revolution is the real lie they believe in.”
“Althouse reminds me of that character in the movie who wants to believe. Perhaps she still wants to believe in Santa Clause.”
What Revolution? You folks like to convince yourselves of things that aren’t there in reality. You have the balls to accuse Althouse of being gullible or whatever you’re accusing her of being? YOU believe in the boogyman. YOU believe!
LOL
2/17/19, 1:57 PM
And here you are proving me right. Althouse wants to believe, she practically admits to it in her post. The revolution is the sum of the insanity the Left is hyping.
Inga: "And people are people, there are the good, the bad and the ugly wherever you live."
Sometimes people aren't as bad or as ugly as the left/LLR's need them to be, so the lefty/LLR's create hoaxes that the other lefties/LLR's can use for political purposes.
FullMoon said...ix months in County, thousand hours of community service lecturing why fake hate crimes and hate is wrong
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Make him sing God bless America at the next 3 Trump rallies.
Inga...Allie Oop said...
“Better than calling her a "dumb bitch".”
Actually no it isn’t.
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Considering you expressed it, your opinion is disqualified.
The Nigerian bros he worked with our hot. That’s what I got of this story.
Make him sing God bless America at the next 3 Trump rallies.
Yeah, a duet with Biden...
Biden in Munich: America is an embarrassment, in “wholesale retreat”
https://hotair.com/archives/2019/02/17/biden-munich-america-embarrassment-wholesale-retreat/
“The revolution is the sum of the insanity the Left is hyping.”
And Ann Althouse is standing on her front porch yelling “Viva la Revolución!” In Madison,WI. In your active imagination, anyway.
LOL
You folks like to convince yourselves of things that aren’t there in reality.
Inga said...
Known Unknown, I may have zero proof that collusion happened, but you also have zero proof that it didn't happen.....
Inga...Allie Oop said...
"You have the balls to accuse Althouse of being gullible or whatever you’re accusing her of being?"
I would say that she has the typical female Liberal susceptibility to hard luck stories, strengthened in this case by her understandable but nonetheless exaggerated sympathy for young, male homosexuals. I don't think Althouse is suggesting that the little idiot is telling the truth. That would be gullible.
“I don't think Althouse is suggesting that the little idiot is telling the truth. That would be gullible.”
No one I know, liberal, Democrat, progressive, or conservative is suggesting he is telling the truth.
I'd be happy to forgive if we could get out a strong message that hoaxes like this are cruel and destructive.
Well, for the last 999 times some Lefty Nimrod pulled a hoax, Academics such as yourself forgave the incident and called it 'starting a conversation.'
At least you have slightly evolved into 'hoping this stops'
But it didn't stop the last 999 times and it wasn't a conversation; it was a shrill lecture.
It is a 'CN' situation. Not Cruel Neutrality™. Such a person would come down as hard on a Pigmented Penised American as a Pallored Penised American.
This is Cowardly Negligence. Fear of the critique of racism.
I am not willing to forgive. A couple of pretty blameless men got savaged by Feminists and now Co-Eds can't find a date to save their lives.
If you actually applied the LAW (it is this thing we have) and prosecuted people bringing forth hoaxes like him and CBF, I think that would be far more instructive.
You never spanked as a parent, did you?
Larry Elder
Verified account @larryelder
6h6 hours ago
(ICYMI) "NYPD arrest Muslim woman who claimed attack by Trump supporters"
Clearly, #TrumpDerangementSyndome is infectious. Is it covered under Obamacare?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/12/14/ny-woman-admits-trump-supporters-did-not-harass-her-grab-hijab/95450002/ …
I am at the gym and it is packed today. Getting horny
“You never spanked as a parent, did you?”
Seems to me Althouse’s sons grew up to be decent young men.
A source close to the investigation confirms to CBS News the brothers told detectives Smollett paid them to participate in the alleged attack on January 29 and that they purchased the rope — which was found around Smollett's neck — at a nearby hardware store. The source said detectives have evidence to corroborate the sale, something the men's attorney alluded to Friday night.
Latest from Jussie criminal attorneys, "They Lied!"
I, for one, am NOT gonna wait for his apology. Offgewritten, I have him.
Seems like these actors failed to hit their marks...or they picked a fake/broken security cam to perform for.
I have never heard of Empire, much less know who the ridiculous cast is.
And yet you think TRUMP SUPPORTERS are their main viewing demographic? No, it is middle aged women and gay men, since both have Mandingo Dreams.
I watch far different entertainment
I’ve lived here in this county for the last 42 years. It’s no safer than Dane County. And people are people, there are the good, the bad and the ugly wherever you live.
Still in the lakehouse, then, with apartment inland? Taxes must be burdensome.
Since I have zero faith in your judgment and intelligence, Inga, your recommendation actually has the opposite effect.
Jupiter wrote: I would say that she has the typical female Liberal susceptibility to hard luck stories, strengthened in this case by her understandable but nonetheless exaggerated sympathy for young, male homosexuals.
Congrats on the avoidance of empathy.
“Inga, your recommendation actually has the opposite effect.”
My “recommendation” that Althouse’s sons are decent young men despite maybe not being corporally punished? So you’re trying to say because one or both of her sons may be gay, it’s because she didn’t spank them?
LOL
Goldberg: Many people admitted they made snap judgments before these other facts came in. But is it that we just instantly say that’s what it is based on what we see in that moment and then have to walk stuff back when it turns out we’re wrong? Why is that? Why do we keep making the same mistake?
Behar: Because we’re desperate to get Trump out of office. That’s why.
"I would say that she has the typical female Liberal susceptibility to hard luck stories..."
She wept at a Gillette commercial, for god sakes! Anyone less susceptible to such obvious emotional manipulation saw it for Covington/Smollett even before those things happened.
Inga...Allie Oop said...
“The revolution is the sum of the insanity the Left is hyping.”
And Ann Althouse is standing on her front porch yelling “Viva la Revolución!” In Madison,WI. In your active imagination, anyway.
LOL"
The active imagination is all yours. Just look at the staccato of delusional Trump crimes you cut and paste.
I live in that world out there and compare it to this place daily and the comparison is stark and ugly.
Inga sweetheart,
I absolutely believe that you live in a fantasy world, not the real world.
I also think that the fantasy world you live in is stark and ugly. It is one in which propaganda = truth and independent thinking = dangerous.
the ProgLibDems invented "Fake-but-Accurate"
it's their narrative that is the 'truth',
regardless of what actually happened
Franky,
I absolutely believe you were a piss poor psychologist. One of those quacks my husband would’ve called “useless idiots”.
This is another one I disbelieved from the get-go. There are too many of these.
And no, I don't think he should be allowed to walk if they prove he faked his own attack. As for mental illness, that is a defense open to him and I am sure that if it gets to court there will be something along those lines. He has every right to bring up anything he can in self defense or as an argument for mitigation.
Filing a false police report is akin to making fake 911 calls. It can cause indirect harm, such as false arrests or innocents placed under suspicion, but some very direct harm ensues from the diversion of public resources to investigation of a myth. Fake hate crimes are among the worst of this category, because naturally they get a lot of resources.
The fact that fake hate crimes are becoming more and more of a problem shows that such claims should be investigated and prosecuted when the burden of proof is met. If the Nigerian brothers did roll over on Smollett, then it appears the burden of proof was met. And given that they apparently spent about 24 hours in custody, and then were released, I'm guessing they did. Why should Smollett get a pass when college kids are arrested on such charges?
Do we really want a country in which people can pull such a stunt without legal repercussions? Even college kids? I don't. For his own interests, Smollett was willing to instill fear in the public - that at least he must have foreseen. To me it's really no different than calling in a fake bomb threat or threatening people. Those are crimes, and they should be crimes.
Also, I suspect that the threatening letter received at the set may be getting a new scrutiny at the FBI.
Further, Smollett has shown no repentance, but keeps doubling down. I don't think he deserves any mercy - it's not as if it had been a drunken error one night that was shortly confessed.
Infa: "YOU believe in the boogyman. YOU believe!"
LOL
Once again, AGAIN(!), Inga offers this up in a thread where the entire left in media, entertainment, politics and news all pronounced, with zero evidence, the existence of hooded MAGA-hatted white supremacists prowling the streets of Chicago in the wee hours of the morning in sub-freezing temperatures with nooses and bottles of bleach at the ready to assault innocents.
The very definition of a boogeyman.
Neanwhile, thousands of actual murders, thousands more physical and sexual assaults on women and children, thousands more crimes of all types on US citizens are laughed off.
Unexpectedly.
Recall that Gov Northam (D-"Coonman") had a campaign commercial which featured the lefties/LLR's boogeyman image of Trump supporters in a pickup truck searching out out and running over clearly non-white beautiful little children.
You know, just like you read about everyday.
"Recall that Gov Northam (D-"Coonman") had a campaign commercial which featured the lefties/LLR's boogeyman image of Trump supporters in a pickup truck searching out out and running over clearly non-white beautiful little children.
You know, just like you read about everyday."
Remember Jazmine Barnes? Almost nobody does anymore. Seems like just last month everyone was commenting about her.
Re the Smollett affair:
"The sources also say the “Empire” actor paid for the rope, which was purchased at the Crafty Beaver Hardware Store in the Ravenswood neighborhood the weekend of Jan. 25."
The Crafty Beaver Hardware Store! - where you too can dive into the shopping experience!
On the bright side, if Smolett goes to jail (like, say, you or I would for a notorious false crime report to police that has them chasing their tails for two weeks), he'll have an opportunity to make some new friends!
That would be a very gay outcome to this sad affair.
Regarding why Northam's epic tale of sin and redemption has gone to syndication already, I'll just say that you should be careful when you play with Occam's Butterknife. You might poke yourself with it or something.
I am seconding Qwuinn above at 2:02 PM:
This is worth nothing if the people who support the hoaxes are perfectly aware that it's cruel and destructive and are totes okay with that. They were deliberately cruel and destructive, and pointing that out won't make them feel a sliver of shame or change their plans to continue.
I have to admit that Ann's sentence in the post about getting the message out that such hoaxes are cruel and destructive really bothered me. There are maybe a few autistic people in the country above the age of ten who might be confused about that. Certainly nobody else is.
Smollett did this precisely because of its emotional impact. A mugging would not have generated the publicity. It had to be sensational to do its job. Not only did he not care that it was cruel and destructive, he deliberately was cruel and destructive because that was what would serve his purpose (as odd as that purpose was). Sadly, there are plenty of people out there who just don't care. How many people would rob banks if there were no legal penalties? Quite a few, because that's where the money is, guys. There are a non-negligible number of people in every population who will go for the money regardless of who it hurts. And Smollett was going for the money.
If a black person places a burning cross on his own lawn, yes, it will get publicity, money and deep public sympathy. And it will create genuine trauma in the local black population. When you fake a hate crime you commit a hate crime! It's not as if anyone doesn't know that already. http://yourblackworld.net/2013/11/27/man-who-faked-racial-hate-crime-pleads-guilty-to-arson-and-perjury/
Why do people do such things? I think it is hard for most people to figure it. But they do do them on purpose, they do intend the cruelty and the destruction.
How many days will it be before Smolett finally caves? He's managed to lie himself into a grand jury.https://www.complex.com/life/2019/02/jussie-smolletts-case-set-to-be-heard-by-grand-jury
You can bet the Chicago PD gave him numerous chances to bail out before it got to this point.
Smollett should co-host a talk show with Tawana Brawley. Al Sharpton could be their Ed McMahon.
"The sentiment was shared by Reverend Al Sharpton, who added: 'The reported hate attack on my friend and brother, actor Jussie Smollett is despicable and outrageous. The guilty must face the maximum.'"
oh FFS! This staged hate-crime shit is getting out of hand.
next, some grievance-mongering member of the Hell's Angels
is going to spray-paint a "Smiley-Face" on their clubhouse door.
Brian Williams says same thing happened to him in Iraq.
BWilliam Chadwick: "Smollett should co-host a talk show with Tawana Brawley. Al Sharpton could be their Ed McMahon."
You forgot to include LLR Chuck.
We could call it "America's Funniest Smears"
“As a victim of a hate crime who has cooperated with the police investigation, Jussie Smollett is angered and devastated by recent reports that the perpetrators are individuals he is familiar with.” Smollett’s newly hired Chicago defense lawyers Todd S. Pugh and Victor P. Henderson proclaimed later last night.
Working on his shocked face
going before a grand jury?
'attack' rehearsed days before?
mother best friends w/ angela davis?
Such a big surprise that a basic Becky like hideous hag Inga lives in the whitest county she can. How can she sleep among the terrifying Trump supporters?
Smollett was so desperate to be oppressed here in the U.S.,
he had to HIRE people to play the part of white Trump supporters
in a fake lynching and chemical attack,
and the best he could find were 2 black guys from Africa,
and they didnt even have real MAGA hats. Sad.
I recommend that Smollett consider his performance a process and not a product. He could tweak his story and say that two Nigerian Muslims attacked him because they wanted to get the kike on Empire. Or try this: a couple of Hasidic Nigerians attacked him because he was a Jew who didn't keep a kosher kitchen. I know this latter story sounds a little far fetched but is it that much more incredible than that two MAGA hat wearing, Trump supporters attacked him. Like I say, it's a process not a product. He should keep refining his story and his performance until he can convince a certain proportion of the populace, say one out of twelve, that his story is genuine and that he is a sympathetic victim,
His family had strong ties to Kamala Harris and he was very chummy with Obama
Things that make you wonder:
https://mobile.twitter.com/almostjingo/status/1097083961631682560
Althouse wrote:
If it turns out that Smollett staged an elaborate hoax, how do you think it will/should be resolved? Obviously, one answer is criminal prosecution and punishment.
But — especially if he would continue to assert that he was attacked — it might be better for everyone involved if Smollett were allowed to escape all punishment if he would only clearly explain that it was a hoax, acknowledge that it was very wrong, and give a sincere apology. I'd be happy to forgive if we could get out a strong message that hoaxes like this are cruel and destructive.
Fuck that. The way we "get out a strong message that hoaxes like this are cruel and destructive" is to throw in jail everyone caught making a false charge.
The minimum punishment for a false charge should be the maximum punishment for the crime that was alleged.
Hoaxes are the real hate crimes
Mark@9:50AM (In response to a comment saying: "Northam's idiocy was more than 30 years ago) says: 1984 was NOT that long ago.
Only factually incorrect, but otherwise spot on.
BTW, the reason that the people of Virginia didn't know BEFORE the election, was because the democrat party members were hiding the crimes and malfeasance of their candidates while slandering the republican candidate as a racist bigot trying to kill children.
But the voters of Virginia really don't give a damn about racists who kill babies because they elect them to govern their state.
Mark@9:57 "We Virginians are not letting go of the... situations at all."
No shit, you Democrat party propagandists have a stranglehold on the narrative. Right now you assholes are trying to figure out how to keep power from the republican, so there is an information blackout. But we know as soon as you scumbags poll test your options, we'll all find out just how forgiving Democrat party members are.... scumbags.
Adding to the sadness, millionaire actor with connections didn't have enough street smarts to hire a couple of druggie homeless white guys to do the deed.
spartacus and kamala wakanda applying political pressure on chicago PD?
Inga: "I may have zero proof that collusion happened, but you also have zero proof that it didn't happen"
Inga demands we prove a negative. LOL.
The Senate Intelligence Committee just wrapped up their bipartisan investigation and cleared Trump of any alleged collusion with Russia.
Mueller's report will be a big nothing burger too: "Trump Innocent Of Russian Collusion"
How will your alternate reality square that? Another mental breakdown?
The rats are officially leaving the sinking ship. https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/17/pelosi-deletes-tweet-jussie-smollett/
"We're not talking about Gov. Northam anymore. I wonder why."
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Simple. No one in the media wanted to take out the leadership of the Virginia Dems and possibly cede the state to the Republicans. But since they couldn't admit that, the best option is to say nothing and change the subject. This isn't really that hard. #MeToo always bows before the political needs of the Librul establishment. They'll take out a politician like Franken but only if they can replace him with another politician of a similar stripe.
"We're not talking about Gov. Northam anymore."
It's been said before, sometimes with more words.
Reason: Democrat.
The media has spent 50 years propagandizing about the nobility of N-words, and at least 20 years about the nobility of sodomites, they're just besides themselves trying to figure out what to do about this idiot N-word sodomites, Smell-it.
next, some grievance-mongering member of the Hell's Angels
is going to spray-paint a "Smiley-Face" on their clubhouse door.
Only if the Heels Angel is an N-word out a sodomite. Hoaxes like these are not the provenance of straight white men.
So you think upwards of 100k if not more, 20 or more detectives pulled off murder and rape investigations, and presidential candidates swearing race war against Trump supporters because "they are lynch mob perpetrators" can be fixed with "an apology" ?
Do you know how much the hateful, dishonest hate crimes movement makes off forcing this narrative on everyone from kindergartners to Congress? Do you not understand the consequences of relentlessly falsely accusing a group of people of being a dangerous lynch mob?
Do you not know how the hate crimes more vement has made other victims second class citizens in the eyes of the law, literally, not symbolically? This doesn't horrify a constitutional law expert?
Terrifying.
On Day 2 of Northam, he went all Clinton and decided to ride the thing out. In the shiny-object mentality of most of America and particularly all of MSM, it was the right and smart move. Most think he will be politically-feeble, not be able to get anything done. In truth he has put himself in position to turn the tables on Commonwealth Repubs by saying he will make amends and, roughly translated, expand opportunities for African-Americans. (Side question: Why not all Americans living in the Commonwealth? Hispanic-Americans? Asian-Americans? Vaginal-Americans and Penile-Americans?) No Repub will want to be on "the wrong side of justice." Northam has survived what seemed like a career death sentence. It may still go completely sideways for him. But, he bided his time, and now, if he takes advantage, he may make a bit of a comeback.
Blogger Drago said...
BWilliam Chadwick: "Smollett should co-host a talk show with Tawana Brawley. Al Sharpton could be their Ed McMahon."
You forgot to include LLR Chuck.
We could call it "America's Funniest Smears"
350+ comments here; none of them were mine. But you, Drago, drag my name into it with your sick unending obsession about me.
I had commented about this story before Althouse ever did, and suggested that it may be a hoax worth her blogging. You’ve really got the wrong guy, linking me with Jussie Smollet, Al Sharpton and Tawana Brawley.
I post many comments that are critical of, and which ridicule, Trump. I post many comments that are critical of, and which ridicule, Trump’s fans. But I have never lied about any of them, Trump himself included. And with all of your full-time prowling for my comments to jump on, and your searching of my 2- and 3-year old comments, if you had a good example of my lying about Trump, you would post it. But you can’t, because no such example exists.
Here's an interesting comment from the more than 350 above:
2/17/19, 10:57 AM
Blogger wildswan said...
Fake News about a fake noose. At this point what difference does it make?
People have to decide what culture they want to belong to. Today there are two choices. The left culture says whatever helps the left is true because socialism is what helps society the most. American culture says that finding the truth about each individual case is what helps society as a whole the most. These are two different traditions alive in our time and America is the last country still containing people who are still choosing one or the other.
If you go with American culture you can read Socrates, Shakespeare, Salman Rushdie, Solzhenitsyn, Richard Wright, Thurber, William Bradshaw, Huckleberry Finn; learn calculus; think logically; study art; speak without four letter words and insults; worship your Creator; learn about other cultures. But first you must do a days work for a days pay. You must learn how to to that which means you must learn all there is to know about the economic reality around you and your family and work to improve it.
If you go with socialism you must repeat the story in the media; read grievance narratives only; regard graffiti as the only art; explode with anger at being contradicted; approve of mob action of every kind - physical, digital; shout down the individual voice, the query, the 'I wonder'; report on your neighbors PC status. You must do all this and think that doing all this is looking at the truth about the economic reality around you. No matter what you see, you must believe that these sorts of actions will build at last a just society.
Which side are you on?
I bolded that central paragraph, because it is so remarkably not-Trump. It reads like a paragraph from National Review.
Lost in the froth are these two very essential truths:
1. The hoax, like all such hoaxes, was successful. Very successful. The Marines have an expression/admonition that there are always 10% who don’t get the word. It is safer to operate on the premise that the percentage in most cases is very considerably higher. A fraternity rape, a noose on a doorknob, a Honda spray painted with racial and anti-Semitic slurs, pubes on a coke can, MAGA-hatted racist attackers are all images that that leave embers of fear and hatred in the minds of many who don’t get the word.
2. There is no shame in the hoaxers. In that regard, they are psychopaths. Lefties are frequently puffed up with their moral superiority which is fed by their presumed monopoly on virtue. When you are completely convinced of your moral high ground, there is no restraint upon your words or conduct. “I come really, really hard against 45.” I come really, really hard against his administration, and I don’t hold my tongue.” And the lefties just love the warm glow of regard when they do the heavy lifting of coming hard against the Deplorables. Blasey Ford will dine out for decades as has Anita Hill on her willingness to put it out there.
It’s working. Soon enough, the hate crimes will not be hoaxes. Soon enough, the next Civil War will begin in earnest, and it will be fucking bloody.
- Krumhorn
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