February 13, 2019

Ted Cruz's brilliant Ensuring Lawful Collection of Hidden Assets to Provide Order Act – the El Chapo Act.

On the day of the guilty verdict against El Chapo, Cruz promotes the bill he first introduced in April 2017 and reintroduced last month, Fox News Reports.
“America’s justice system prevailed today in convicting Joaquín Guzmán Loera, aka El Chapo, on all 10 counts,” Cruz tweeted Tuesday shortly before the Sinaloa cartel boss was convicted on drug trafficking, weapons violations and money laundering charges in a federal courtroom in Brooklyn, N.Y. “U.S. prosecutors are seeking $14 billion in drug profits & other assets from El Chapo which should go towards funding our wall to #SecureTheBorder.”
It's very clever but does it have the power to win over votes from members of Congress who've been opposing Trump's $5.7 billion for border security in the budget deal? I assume it's harder to say no, but if it isn't passed, it will still work as foundation for political argument: The opponents of border security won't even let us to take the money El Chapo got from delivering DEATH to Americans and use that money to protect us... FROM DEATH!

119 comments:

Annie C said...

Grandpa Munster is the epitome of cool.

He embraces the zodiac killer meme, and has the funniest twitter feed. Check Twitchy for some of his stuff.

We got lucky in Texas.

David Begley said...

I’ve been pushing this in the comments.

This is how Mexico pays for the Wall.

I want to see Chuck and Nancy effectively oppose this: Taking the money from a murdering, rapist drug dealer.

And as Bay Area Guy noted, the details of El Chapo’s crimes are horrific. And as I noted, the Fake News surpressed this because it didn’t serve the Narrative.

Mr. Majestyk said...

If aliens from outer space landed tomorrow and offered to build us an invisible, impenetrable border wall for free, provided Congress authorized such a wall, the Democrats would vote against it.

Mr. Majestyk said...

And the news media would give them a pass.

tim in vermont said...

So wait a minute, the Mexican would pay for it?

David Begley said...

Trump never meant that the government of Mexico would write a check. He was always thinking of something like this.

I want to see those pricks at CNN and MSNBC eat crow.

David Begley said...

The Dems will oppose the El Chapo Act as a Bill of Attainder. I’m sure Ted has anticipated that.

Meade said...

"I’ve been pushing this in the comments."

Ted Cruz obviously tunes in to Radio Dave Begley. Wise man.

Meade said...

"So wait a minute, the Mexican would pay for it?"

Shh... let's let sleeping Ch*cks lie.

W.Cook said...

I am not a lawyer so this is an honest question: does naming it El Chapo Act provide Mr. Guzmán with a basis for challenging such forfeiture on the basis of it being a bill of attainder?

Rob said...

Fake news. Cruz tweeted that after El Chapo was convicted. Cruz even embedded the AP tweet announcing the conviction.

jaydub said...

Opposition to the wall has nothing to do with border security and everything to do with preventing Trump from keeping a campaign promise. Moreover, allowing money taken from El Chapo to be spent on the wall would allow trump to not only finish the wall but to reasonably claim Mexico paid for the wall (as he often stated they would.) The Dems can't let either happen, but what a schadenboner!!!

Richard Fagin said...

Annie C, you made my whole year! Cruz does resemble Grandpa Munster! To answer Prof. Althouse's question, the Cruz proposal doesn't have the power to convince Congresscritters to vote for a wall. It may have the power to affect the future makeup of the House. There were more than a few otherwise blood-red districts that flipped in the last election - TX-7 I know from having lived there for 15 years - that could be flipped back. Lizzie Fletcher presented as a reasonable candidate. So did other Dem. winners. Voters in those districts might be as put off by the open borders crowd as they appeared to be with Trump. They may come to view the situation a bit differently.

Al Lewis was even funnier as Leo Schnauzer.

Howard said...

The money should be used to stop tobacco, alcohol and opioid abuse if you want to reduce deaths. The illicit drug deaths from El Chalupa are chicken feed compared with meganational corporation drug deaths. Capitalism always wins, especially when it seeks to destroy!

johnhenry100 said...

Dave B

How is it a bill of attainder

I don't really understand the bill of attainder concept in detail but this does not seem like it would fit.

Seems fairly common in us and state courts to keep ill gotten gains.

Still pissed at you btw. I was promised 50 degree weather in Begleyville last week. Instead I got highs of 8 or so

Too cold for a Southern boy like me.

John Henry

Richard Fagin said...

W. Cook, your comment didn't appear until after I posted my last one - the Cruz proposal is a bill to spend money that would already have been appropriated by the government in the form of a fine for a criminal conviction. On that basis the bill is not punishment for a specific act, and thus not a bill of attainder. The same thought did cross my mind, but it seems unlikely Cruz would have made that kind of mistake in a proposal.

johnhenry100 said...

I'm curious if we actually have El Chapo's money. I am reading reports we do but I am also reading reports we have no idea where it is.

John Henry

tim in vermont said...

How many opiod deaths are caused by drugs carried across the Mexican border? How many migrants die in the desert, or suffer rape, robbery, etc at the hands of gangs?

Doesn’t matter. It’s never about what you say it's about, is it Howard?

Howard said...

Don't ask me to do your homework, Tim in Florida. You people deal with crime like AOC deals with climate change. Strain out gnats and let camels pass

David Begley said...

Jh100

It does not matter if the language of the bill meets the requirements of a Bill of Attainder or not. The Dems will just make a legal conclusion that it is and the Fake News will run with it.

I haven’t read Ted’s bill but it probably says something like all property seizures in drug cases of over $500k go to fund the Wall.

Here in Nebraska, bills are passed that affect only cities of the metropolitan class. Only one city in the state is in that class: Omaha.

Michael said...

Howard
El Chapo's mega national corporation was (is) way more profitable than all the chickenshit opioids and tobacco sales. With way more customers. And even though Shorty is in the slammer the mega national Corp soldiers on without the loss of a penny in sales.

David Begley said...

Cook:

The title of a Bill is no part of the law. Black letter law.

johnhenry100 said...

Is it actually named the "El Chapo" act or is it just a cleverly thought up title

Ive not read the bill but I wonder if it actially mentons el chapo

John Henry

David Begley said...

Meade

Ted poured me a cup of coffee at Penny’s Diner in Missouri Valley. Steve King was there too.

Laslo Spatula said...

With El Chapo found guilty is it now safe to do the Macarena again?

I am Laslo.

Larry J said...

jaydub said...
Opposition to the wall has nothing to do with border security and everything to do with preventing Trump from keeping a campaign promise. Moreover, allowing money taken from El Chapo to be spent on the wall would allow trump to not only finish the wall but to reasonably claim Mexico paid for the wall (as he often stated they would.) The Dems can't let either happen, but what a schadenboner!!!


You're right. If they do confiscate El Chapo's assets, Democrats would never agree to using that money to build a wall. Instead, they'd spend it (and probably a lot more) to buy votes through government freebies.

Howard said...

El Chalupa is an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks to collect a bill

daskol said...

So he works for the Illuminati, right? They've been posting here lately.

Tommy Duncan said...

The idea of forcing Democrats to vote for or against using Mexican drug money to provide Mexican border security is very appealing.

I also like the idea of forcing Democrats to vote on the Ed Markey Green New Deal resolution.

Ralph L said...

The Navy used to be notorious for its acronyms, sometimes dirty.

I made up a few for our Commander customer in the 80's. He had 2 little plastic breasts with feet on his desk. Now he'd be out on his ass.

Birches said...

Considering a bunch of Chapo's money comes from illegals paying his enterprise 5k to get into the country, I think it's the perfect use.

Meade said...

"Ted poured me a cup of coffee at Penny’s Diner in Missouri Valley. Steve King was there too."

The entire universe is no more than 6 degrees separation from David Begley. (Although, when it comes to Steve King, the world might prefer more like 8.)

Bay Area Guy said...

Bill of Attainder!"

matism said...

Do you think for even one minute that Post Turtle will let this be brought to a vote???

Annie C said...

matism said...
Do you think for even one minute that Post Turtle will let this be brought to a vote???

I've given up trying to guess what Cocaine Mitch will do. He's been weird lately.

Dave Begley said...

Bay:

Civil? Criminal? Who cares? Just be against Trump!

Dave Begley said...

Meade:

I'm one away from both the Pope and the President.

My friend, the late Fr. John Schlegel, said Mass with the Pope before he passed away.

And, of course, I'm buddies with Ted, Marco, Christie etc.

rhhardin said...

Chapo can avoid it by declaring bankruptcy. That puts the US in line with the other creditors.

rehajm said...

Shh... let's let sleeping Ch*cks lie.

Meade's gone full Drago.

wendybar said...

Rob said...
Fake news. Cruz tweeted that after El Chapo was convicted. Cruz even embedded the AP tweet announcing the conviction.
2/13/19, 6:41 AM


NOPE! He was talking about it in 2017. Stop watching CNN...you may learn something!!! https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/04/26/ted-cruz-wants-el-chapo-s-14-billion-for-funding-border-wall/22055728/

rehajm said...

I want to see Chuck and Nancy effectively oppose this: Taking the money from a murdering, rapist drug dealer.

You'll get to but without the satisfaction of having it disclosed in the news. CNBC has shifted back to the inequality and tax fairness narrative nonstop for the last few days. There's no room for anything else.

Chuck said...

Meade said...
"So wait a minute, the Mexican would pay for it?"

Shh... let's let sleeping Ch*cks lie.


1. Huh? I never opposed funding for some sections of border wall. Some small, planned incremental border walls and barriers that are like the sections that Congress and Presidents of both parties have been implementing for years. Going back in time to when citizen Donald Trump was favoring abortion rights and a national health care system.

2. Another commenter just above asked it for me; does anybody really think that there is $14 billion sitting around out there, just waiting for the U.S. government to spend it? Forbes says "nope." Guzman has few if any assets in the United States. Foreign assets, of whatever amount (surely not $14 billion), are not subject to U.S. RICO seizure; at least not without a fight.

3. There would be, I think, a very interesting legal discussion about how to execute such an idea if there were actually any substantial sum of money to seize. We'd be talking about how many different pieces of legislation and how many new regulations we'd need, to seize the money/assets, how it would go to the U.S. Treasury, and then how it might be spent. There are some interesting policy/philosophy questions about how something like this might be a bill of attainder, and the Constitutional questions it might raise.

4. So I rather "get" this post from Althouse; it is a clever public relations ploy by Ted Cruz, who has a talent for public relations ploys. But Althouse, what's next? Do we wait to fund The Wall until we clap irons on that $14 billion? Don't hold your breath on that. If we really did get a $14 billion windfall, is The Wall really the best way to spend it? Personally, I'd rather spend a federal windfall of $14 billion on better roads in Michigan. But in fact, every time that I hear that somebody says that someone other than American taxpayers will pay for Trump's wall, it only intensifies the questions about why Congress needs to be appropriating money for it.

john said...

"U.S. prosecutors are seeking $14 billion in drug profits & other assets from El Chapo...."

I suppose most of this money is stuck in some mattresses in varous El Chapo safe houses since they obviously would never spend it.

Ralph L said...

Also from Wiki: Attainder by verdict resulted from conviction by jury [it doesn't explain if the confiscation & disinheritance is a specific charge]. Attainder by process resulted from a legislative act outlawing a fugitive.

If El Chapo loses his title as happened in England, will he still be El Chapo?

Ralph L said...

The weird part is that if he loses his money, he'll feel quite chapped.

rhhardin said...

Hadrian's wall is a world heritage site. Politics were different then.

Tommy Duncan said...

Blogger rhhardin said...

"Chapo can avoid it by declaring bankruptcy. That puts the US in line with the other creditors."

And an interesting list of creditors that would be.

narciso said...

It means shorty, he didnt appreciate it like benny's siegel, I can guess HSBC (that Comey worked for) Deutsche bank, banamex (that Mueller gave speeches to) all got their cut.

EDH said...

My understanding is Cruz's bill is about how to spend a sum of money, not provide the basis on which to take it.

As a spending bill, it was also introduced in the House by Rep Mo Brookes.

H.R.2186 - EL CHAPO Act
115th Congress (2017-2018)

Ensuring Lawful Collection of Hidden Assets to Provide Order Act or the EL CHAPO Act

This bill requires the forfeited profits of Joaquin Archivaldo Guzman Loera (El Chapo) from his illicit drug trafficking enterprise to be reserved for border security measures between the United States and Mexico, including the completion of a wall.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/2186?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22El+Chapo%22%5D%7D&r=1

Ann Althouse said...

@W.Cook

That is a good question. My intuition is that any problem would be answered by the fact that the money is forfeitable under pre-existing statutes that are written in a general way and the El Chapo law is about where the money goes AFTER it gets into the hands of the federal government. I assume the "El Chapo" law is written in a general way too, but his name is put on the law to express why we need it.

Ann Althouse said...

That is, it's not a law written to get that one law. He's convicted under other law, criminal laws, and the money is forfeited under other laws. This law adds no punishment to him.

That's just my sense of where the answer is, not based on researching the subject and reading the text of the various statutes, which you'd have to do to give a good answer.

Henry said...

If the money is criminally forfeit, does it not first go to the victims of the crime? And second, for use in law enforcement per the government's choice. So El Chapo's money would only "pay" for the wall only in the context that it doesn't pay for some other law enforcement priority..

FIDO said...

It is the long shot lottery ticket. It is the unexpected inheritance from Great Aunt Wilma.

It is FOUND and UNBUDGETED money.

This always has a destabilizing effect. Tiberius Gracchus used the money from Asia Minor to pay for his very popular (but hated by the Senate) land reform bill.

The Athenians found the Lavrion silver mines and Pericles used the proceeds to build a Wall which kept their City alive during the Peleponnesian War.

We know Walls work.

The financial argument just got out to bed.

Dems want to buy Hispanic votes. They are being called on it. The shoe pinches because it's true.

So they are stuck discussing environmental effects...in the middle of horrible deserts.

I would not like to have to justify their intransigence against a wildly popular bill

narciso said...

And past is prologue with Mueller and bcci, although William barr was his supervisor then, many of the big players then went on to which big project. If you said al queda you're right.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...
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Jersey Fled said...

The Democrats will vote with El Chapo before they will vote with Trump.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

I just wanted to say FUCK MICHaEL BENNET(D-co). He's a corrupt and useless elite democratic senator who has accomplished nothing of note in the senate, except opportunistically grand stand and bash Cruz on the senate floor - because Cruz took it to corrupt Hillary and the left will do anything to destroy Cruz now.

Unknown said...

The Green commies (donor Steyer?) got NY atty gen to sue Exxon

They can use the same method?

New York Sues Exxon Mobil, Saying It Deceived Shareholders on Climate Change
Oct. 24, 2018
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/climate/exxon-lawsuit-climate-change.html
The lawsuit says Exxon engaged in a “longstanding fraudulent scheme” to deceive investors and analysts.

Dave Begley said...

If we have a civil or criminal judgment, the United States should register it in Mexican courts. If Mexico refuses to honor our judgment and give it full faith and credit, then we take action directly against the Mexican state.

Why wouldn't the Mexican courts honor a judgment against El Chapo on his Mexican assets?

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

It's a great idea. Let the hack press and the democratics say NO.

gilbar said...

Fido said... Tiberius Gracchus used the money from Asia Minor to pay for his very popular (but hated by the Senate) land reform bill.

And look what happened to him!

Ralph L said...

Pericles used the proceeds to build a Wall

I get your point, but more famously, Themistokles & the Oracle convinced them earlier to build wooden walls--their navy--which saved them from the Persians. We can afford both.

IIRC, the Colosseum was paid for by the wealth stolen from the Temple in Jerusalem, so it was doubly rude to kill Christians there. Sort of like using money earned by Mexicans to keep them out and lower their sales volume.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

btw - link has error message for me. anyone else?

stevew said...

With the bipartisan agreement to fund border security, albeit at about 20% of what Trump requested, has the argument against a wall (immoral, ineffective, impractical) been conceded?

narciso said...

because the point isn't exclusively about mexico

https://pjmedia.com/blog/dhs-released-terror-operative-who-illegally-crossed-border-pjm-exclusive/

FIDO said...

And just a reminder: the amount requested is 13 HOURS of Federal spending. All of El Chapos billions would be spent in a federal day.

FIDO said...

'And look what happened to him!'

**

Gracchus got the bill though. While I like Trump, I don't 'love' Trump so if he gets the Wall, I am phlegmatic at his risks

FIDO said...

'With the bipartisan agreement to fund border security, albeit at about 20% of what Trump requested, has the argument against a wall (immoral, ineffective, impractical) been conceded?'

**

Yes it has

Dave Begley said...

El Chapo and I are the same age!

Chuck said...

Has anyone seen a good news story on this issue?

Drudge, in hyperlinking this story chose "The American Mirror" site, which is really slippery on the facts by claiming "According to Breitbart, the United States has seized $14 billion from the former drug lord, which gave Sen. Ted Cruz a brilliant idea..."

Breitbart's story, written by somebody named Bob Price, butchers the facts by claiming, "Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) introduced a bill calling for the use of $14 billion seized from cartel drug lord Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman to be used to pay for the President’s border wall between the U.S. and Mexico."

There has been no seizure. There isn't even any good reason to suggest that there may be $14 billion that could be seized.

For her part, Althouse linked to the Fox News story. Althouse's link didn't work for me, but I found the Fox story nonetheless. And Fox didn't make the mistake that Breitbart blew. Fox didn't claim that $14 billion had been seized. But it went straight to the budget battle over Trump's desire for a wall. And the Fox story stated, "Trump has said the construction of a wall would cost around $5.7 billion." That jumped out at me, because by all accounts, $5.7 billion would build some wall. Not any "great wall," which is another thing that Trump said. The currently-planned funding of $1.375 billion would buy about 55 miles. $5.7 billion would buy a claimed 215 miles. We already have about 650 miles of fencing, walls and vehicular bollards.

I like the Forbes story that I linked to earlier on this page. The Forbes reporter (Dolia Estevez) appears to have interviewed a dozen or so people, and got some interesting, thoughtful responses. The American Mirror, Breitbart and Fox didn't bother with that.

You gotta watch out for what I call the fake news. I call it fake news. It's fake. They are claiming that $14 billion was seized when that isn't true. The failing Breitbart got it wrong.

Known Unknown said...

"And, of course, I'm buddies with Ted, Marco, Christie etc. "

namedroppingwithbegley.blogspot.com

narciso said...

par for the course:


https://pjmedia.com/trending/el-paso-das-office-daily-beast-report-about-trump-rally-disturbance-was-inaccurate/

Dave Begley said...

Rush Limbaugh reads Althouse. Limbaugh is buddies with Trump. Ann and Meade to be invited soon to the White House for something BIG.

mockturtle said...

Well, Chuck, you can stick to NPR. Just to be safe.

narciso said...

these are the basics:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/939

Meade said...

"Rush Limbaugh reads Althouse. Limbaugh is buddies with Trump. Ann and Meade to be invited soon to the White House for something BIG."

Nice!

johnhenry100 said...

I tried to eat at Penny's Diner in Fremont but got lost.

So I at at Hardee's instead.

John Henry

AJ Lynch said...

Cruz re-introduced the El Chapo bill a month ago on January 3rd according to The Hill.

Mike said...

Forbes says, "In February 2014, OFAC issued a chart identifying 288 companies involved in Guzmán's money laundering operations that had been blacklisted by OFAC between 2007 and 2014. The Guzman-linked companies, mostly located in Mexico, covered a broad range of areas including real estate, gas stations, construction and trucking companies, and furniture stores. Under the so-called "Kingpin Act," American companies and individuals are prohibited from doing business with foreign company flagged by OFAC."

Upon conviction yesterday, the US will immediately move to confiscate any assets outstanding in those 300 companies identified. Although, "The government's amount, which [Bruce M. Bagley, an expert on Mexico's drug cartels at the University of Miami,] describes as a 'cumulative calculation,' does not take into account 'operating expenses' such as bribes to public officials and profit sharing among cartel members."

So cash on hand will not equal $14B, which was a "cumulative figure" of drug profits over a ten-year period. Who knows how much in extant physical assets the Mexicans and the DEA have actually identified!

FIDO said...

Chuck is flailing against a potential win for Trump. Why do you hate Trump more than love your country, Chuck?

I thought border security was a LLR issue. But you'd rather be foresworn than share any position with Trump.

Chuck said...

FIDO said...
Chuck is flailing against a potential win for Trump. Why do you hate Trump more than love your country, Chuck?

I thought border security was a LLR issue. But you'd rather be foresworn than share any position with Trump.


I love my country. I hate Trump a lot, but I love my country more. President Bone Spurs has less than nothing to do with what I love about my country.

I like border security. I am an immigration hawk, for the most part. On specific legal policy, I'd be well to the right within Congressional Republicans.

I don't care about "a great wall" as Trump campaigned on it, and I know very well that Mexico will never pay for a wall of our own construction. Trump lied about all of that, like he lies about most things.

And the deal that Trump is getting now is worse than what Trump would have gotten if he'd been quiet, had not shut down the government, and had worked with Mitch McConnell way back in 2018 when Republicans had a House majority along with the Senate. Trump is getting about 55 miles of border wall now. It isn't a great wall, and Mexico isn't paying for it. I want to emphasize what a personal defeat this is for Trump, and what an abject failure it is in terms of negotiating and dealmaking.

We need a better Republican President.

I want a new Republican nominee for 2020.

tim in vermont said...

We need a better Republican President.

“The perfect is the enemy of the good.”

mockturtle said...

President Bone Spurs

Chuck, would you please re-enlighten us with a chronology of your vast military experience?

tim in vermont said...

If the money is criminally forfeit, does it not first go to the victims of the crime?

We could hand out hundred dollar bills to junkies on street corners or we could decide democratically what our priorities are and let our duly elected officials work it out. Or we could simply call Henry, our natural ruler, and ask him what we should do with the money!

narciso said...

Hes extremely tedious isn't I dont think anyone has made a concerted effort since the 80s.

Dave Begley said...

John Henry

Use Yelp. I'm a Yelp ELITE!

Henry said...

@tim in vermont -- my question is a legal one.

The vehicle through which the Department of Justice ensures that return of forfeited assets to victims is the Victim Asset Recovery Program (VARP). The purpose of VARP is to maximize the amount of forfeited money that can be returned to victims of crime. VARP is carried out by a dedicated team of experienced professionals, including attorneys, accountants, auditors, and claims analysts in the Asset Forfeiture and Money Laundering Section (AFMLS), which is a part of the Department's Criminal Division.

Chuck said...

mockturtle said...
President Bone Spurs

Chuck, would you please re-enlighten us with a chronology of your vast military experience?


I was not subject to the draft, due to my age. I had no deferments, and asked for and received no medical exemptions.

Do you really want to belabor the President Bone Spurs issue?

Unlike Trump, I have never judged anyone based on their lives in the military. I never said about any Vietnam POW that "I prefer people who weren't captured," or suggested that such people weren't heroic.

I am judging Trump based on his apparent abuse of the Selective Service System.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

All the celebrating of some pie in the sky victory by Trump ( with $14 billion in the hands of El Chapo cronies), too funny. You folks sure are smarting from the Democrats’ winning the “Wall” fight, that you create 14 billion just laying around waiting for seizure? No Vanity Wall for Trump, but over a billion for more border security, be happy with it and count your blessings.

tim in vermont said...

Basically Henry, my take on your comments is that they are rationalizations for what you decide when you first hear about something.

Henry said...

Ah, tim, thus do we all.

But I'm actually curious about the question. The law says that 3rd parties can petition for asset recovery if they are uninvolved in the crime (like a bank that holds the loan on a building used to make meth). The VARP program I believe is separate. Is it a legal obligation or just a policy? That's my question.

Along with my question I offer a point of analysis. The El Chapo law doesn't magically create money the government wouldn't already have. It just applies it to a specific priority.

n.n said...

Against border security. For immigration reform, including child trafficking, rape-rape of feminine females on the trail, and safe passage of alien antigens to plague men, women, children, and babies at the end of the bridge and throughout. For Planned parenthood, selective-child, cannibalized-child. Against Americans' civil rights and human rights.

Drago said...

#StrongStolenValorBlumenthalDefender Chuck: "I am judging Trump based on his apparent abuse of the Selective Service System."

Just another smear from the champion self-admitted smear merchamt.

narciso said...

In other news


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/13/former-air-force-officer-monica-witt-shared-us-secrets-with-iran-doj.html

Michael said...

Inga
" count our blessings" for getting some border security? So the Dems dole out border security to Americans as some sort of favor? Nice. At least you are honest about not giving a shit.

narciso said...

Hope it comes aoon:
https://www.nysun.com/foreign/for-democrats-leftist-factions-thermidor-awaits/90574/?fbclid=IwAR1k_tsF7IP6bx570AJuz41WqW-3dcExyePr6f42ObKW-EE5mGQdDYm1zEo#.XGQ34JS5dBg.facebook

Drago said...

Dick Durbin Cuckholster Chuck: "I was not subject to the draft, due to my age. I had no deferments, and asked for and received no medical exemptions."

Yet you were so defensive that you took the time to write a lengthy and detailed response regarding your struggle and thought process about considering joining the military before deciding not to, which, given your, litany of previous mischaracterizations, lies, smears and post hoc excuse-making, is almost certainly itself a lie.

It is important to also note that LLR Chuck has shown a strange and powerful predilection to attack republicans and conservatives with distinguished miitary records with the more effective opponents of dems garnering even greater LLR Chuck oppobrium.

All the while LLR Chuck strenuously defends those dems who have been most vicious in attacking the military and have lied about their service.

Again, self-admitted smear merchants are gonna do what they're gonna do.

Drago said...

The last thing Inga and the dems and the LLR's want is a reduction in "spark of divinity" illegal alien murders/rapes/assaults. Because its somehow racist to limit the ability of illegal alien criminals to gain access to American citizens.

Of course, the lefty/LLR's are happy to release the criinal illegal aliens back into society after they are caught before their trials. It makes it easier for the illegals to slip away that way.

narciso said...

Well they value lawbreakers over persons who often go to great length to emigrate legally.

Chuck said...

Drago said...
Dick Durbin Cuckholster Chuck: "I was not subject to the draft, due to my age. I had no deferments, and asked for and received no medical exemptions."

Yet you were so defensive that you took the time to write a lengthy and detailed response regarding your struggle and thought process about considering joining the military before deciding not to, which, given your, litany of previous mischaracterizations, lies, smears and post hoc excuse-making, is almost certainly itself a lie.

It is important to also note that LLR Chuck has shown a strange and powerful predilection to attack republicans and conservatives with distinguished miitary records with the more effective opponents of dems garnering even greater LLR Chuck oppobrium.

All the while LLR Chuck strenuously defends those dems who have been most vicious in attacking the military and have lied about their service.

Again, self-admitted smear merchants are gonna do what they're gonna do.


You jackass. I would have expected that none of you fuck heads would have cared about my military service. I can think of no reason why you would. But time and time and time again, commenters here ask me about it.

The only reason, of course, is to distract from Trump's draft record, whenever I raise that issue. It's a dumb rejoinder on the part of Trump's fans, but whatever.

I've never attacked a Republican or anyone with a distinguished military record. Trump does that. Trump attacked John McCain's record, and most particularly as a POW. Trump attacked Republican donors. Trump unleashed attacks on every one of his Republican primary opponents. I just heard Rush Limbaugh call the Republican Majority Leader in the Senate "the Turtle."

I don't defend Dick Durbin. I think that on the "shithole countries" debacle, Durbin and Lindsey Graham and Tim Scott and Jeff Flake were right. And Trump's sycophants were wrong. Trump really did say it, I think. Too bad that Dick Durbin was the main eyewitness. But lawyers don't always get to choose their witnesses in prosecuting a case.

I don't defend Richard Blumenthal. I think that he told the truth when he characterized Justice Gorsuch as having said Trump's judiciary comments were "demoralizing and disheartening." I think that Blumenthal told the truth, and that Trump was wrong when he claimed that Blumenthal "misrepresented" Gorsuch. I think that, because I watched Gorsuch's testimony under oath a couple of weeks later, where Gorsuch used the same words. And because Gorsuch's "sherpa," former Sen. Kelly Ayotte, confirmed what Blumenthal said. No sane person now thinks that Blumenthal "misrepresented" Gorsuch, as Trump alleged in a Tweet at the time.

And I didn't attack Dr. Ricky Bobby for any reasons other than that I think (a) he lied about Trump's height and weight to avoid a categorization that Trump is "obese", and (b) he was unqualified to direct the Veterans Administration, for which Trump nominated him before that nomination was withdrawn under a cloud that Dr. Bobby had been drunk on the job and had handed out drugs to White House staffers like candy.

I am not attacking Republicans and especially not Republican leadership. And as usual, you cannot quote me attacking a Republican for any reason other than something like Senator Tom Cotton's lying about the "shithole countries" meeting.

I don't attack Republicans, unless they lie for Trump. Not like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Donald Trump have attacked Republicans for trying to do things a lot smarter than they are.

And now, Drago; you have successfully dragged this comments page off into a ditch with your obsessive and repetitive personal attacks on me.

Clutter creation.

Achilles said...

Chuck.

You admitted you are a coward and a disingenuous smear merchant. You threatened violence against multiple people on this site.

Nobody believes you actually want border security.

Not even Inga who is the only person defending you.

Because you are both enemies of this country and enemies of freedom.

Now go hang out with your racist Democrat friends and be honest about it.

narciso said...

I doubt there is one single repository of maduros funds but one could be designated.

FIDO said...

Chuck, Inga, Henry, R/V, Robert Cooke,

A question:

This is 'found' money, off budget but arguably sufficient for the Wall, even if we only get a portion of it.

I know your preferred answer is 'Trump should never ever get his way and instead should be publically executed by being devoured by rabid weasels in his pants.' You have been PERFECTLY clear on this. And I wish I won the lottery.

Would you rather let Trump have this money or have him invoke a precedent of broad executive power to circumvent the Congress?

Since the majority of the country agrees with him on increasing border security, it is more than likely he can de facto do this.

But assume he CAN'T due to judiciary cherry picking (and pretend he would listen. EMERGENCY POWERS). Do you want your Dream Democrat hobbled from power by forcing these highly partisan judicial decisions as precedent?

Assume for a moment that 'Democratic Majorities forever' are not actually going to happen any time soon.

Drago said...

LLR Chuck continues his lying in support of his previous self-admitted smears.

I. Did. Not. See. That. Coming.

Drago said...

LLR Chuck is guilty of wearing "conservative face".

Drago said...

#StrongCNNDefender Chuck: "And now, Drago; you have successfully dragged this comments page off into a ditch with your obsessive and repetitive personal attacks on me."

You were cordially invited to absent yourself by the blog administrator.

Your every comment is clutter...,though tremendously appreciated by your far left allies.

Drago said...

LLR Chuck does not appreciate anyone interrupting him in Full Lefty/Dem Smear Mode.

It throws him off his game.

Achilles said...

Civil Asset forfeiture is awful.

None of this money will go to the intended purpose and most of it will come from poor people in Mexico.

We don't need to be looking for creative ways to fund this.

Shut the government down until the globalists surrender or are voted out of office.

Especially the cuck republican traitors.

bagoh20 said...

If Pelosi and Schumer knew about this idea the DNC would have paid El Chapo's legal fees and got him off somehow.

For some insight on the politics of border security, ask yourself this: Who would El Chapo vote for if he could? Maybe he's already been a donor.

Achilles said...

Chuck said...

Trump attacked Republican donors. Trump unleashed attacks on every one of his Republican primary opponents.


In 2012 Romney used many times more money to attack his republican opponents than Trump did in 2016.

It was obvious in 2012 republican voters did not want Romney and the globalists did.

2016 they tried to foist Jeb on us with over 100 million dollars.

Everyone knows the game now. The masks are off.

And now the cuck republican traitors are undermining Trump and the voters again making deals with Nancy Pelosi.

Chuck and the cuck traitors are just on the other side.

Drago said...

#StrongLeftyNarrativePusher Chuck: "Trump unleashed attacks on every one of his Republican primary opponents."

LOL

This just in! Republican candidate in primary actually deigns to compete against other candidates!!

Whoever heard of such a thing???

LOL

Remember, LLR Chuck has aggresively claimed that he is more knowledgeable re: political matters than other posters, yet the mere thought of primary candidates battling each other utterly flummoxes him!!

Chuck said...

Achilles said...
Chuck.

You admitted you are a coward and a disingenuous smear merchant. You threatened violence against multiple people on this site.


No, I didn't and you know it.

Chuck said...

Drago said...
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Remember, LLR Chuck has aggresively claimed that he is more knowledgeable re: political matters than other posters, yet the mere thought of primary candidates battling each other utterly flummoxes him!!


Show everyone where I did that. Quote me, and link it.

Bad Lieutenant said...

Drago said...

You were cordially invited to absent yourself by the blog administrator.


Indeed. Chuck, how dare you show your face here?

I'm telling y'all, he's loco in the coco. One day he'll be famous for fifteen minutes while the Department of Sanitation wipes his blood off the street after he tries to home-invade Meadehouse.

Drago said...

LLR Chuck, now lying on top of previous lies regarding his previous lefty/dem smears.

Discuss.

Chuck said...

Bad Lieutenant said...
Drago said...

You were cordially invited to absent yourself by the blog administrator.


Indeed. Chuck, how dare you show your face here?

I'm telling y'all, he's loco in the coco. One day he'll be famous for fifteen minutes while the Department of Sanitation wipes his blood off the street after he tries to home-invade Meadehouse.


What's up with your avatar? That looks like a very large gun.

Drago said...

Btw Chuck, I've taken the usual steps in prepping for your daily onslaught of far left talking points by perusing Media Matters and your other usual left-wing "go to" sources.

walter said...

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Earnest Prole said...

Maybe Ted can use a little of the El Chapo money to investigate his father's murder of John F. Kennedy.