January 10, 2019

"Both sides have taken absolutist positions that leave no room for the kind of split-the-difference compromise that usually ends budget impasses...."

"But Mr. Trump’s claim that he can and may attempt to build his wall another way opens the door for him to sign a spending bill with no wall funding, reopening the government without capitulation by either side. While any such move by Mr. Trump is certain to prompt outrage from his critics and wild approval from his supporters, there is good reason to believe that it is unlikely to result in much immediate change. His push for a wall would be channeled into a lengthy court fight, keeping lawyers far busier than construction workers, at least initially, as his term ticks away.... If, in the end, the Supreme Court were to rule that emergency-power laws give Mr. Trump authority to proceed, he would probably face still more litigation with property owners over whether the government may use eminent domain to force them to sell their border lands. There may be little time left in his term after all that to add more than a few miles, if any, of barriers to the 1,954-mile border, which already has 654 miles of fencing."

From "Trump’s Emergency Powers Threat Could End Shutdown Crisis, but at What Cost?" (NYT).

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Guildofcannonballs said...

I literally just replaced yesterday the bake ignition in my Maytag for $55.00 and yes the everything about it wasn't unnoticed.

Douglas B. Levene said...

Litigation cannot stop the government from taking property by eminent domain for a public purpose and there is no doubt that the wall, whatever its merits or demerits, serves a public purpose. If unhappy landowners want to litigate the amount of the payment, they can do that, and those cases are likely to drag on for a long time, but they will not affect the timing of the seizure.

PuertoRicoSpaceport.com said...

A bit more on that "sawed through" fence. H/T Don Surber

Here's a print article from NBC news.

Headline:

Test of steel prototype for border wall showed it could be sawed through

Subhead:
A photo demonstrated that the steel columns could breached with a common industrial tool.

(comment by JH: The subhead, if it stood alone, is actually accurate. In the context of the story it seems to reinforce the overall fakiness.)

Then in the body:

testing of a steel slat prototype proved it could be cut through with a saw, according to a report by DHS.

military and Border Patrol personnel were instructed to attempt to destroy the barriers with common tools.

[All bolding added by me]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/test-steel-prototype-border-wall-showed-it-could-be-sawed-n956856

Then there is a closeup of the cut slats. In the closeup it is obvious that they were not sawn, they were burned with an oxyacetylene torch. Perhaps, given how cleanly the concrete filling was cut, a plasma torch.

So twice they lie about it being sawn.

They call a burning torch "a common tool". That is at best misleading. A burning torch is a common industrial tool but it will be the rare household that has on.

I had the impression from the TV clip that the test was recent. It was actually in 2017. And:

News toured the eight wall prototypes twice before President Trump's March 2018 inspection. According to San Diego Sector Border Patrol Chief Rodney Scott, the versions seen by NBC News and the president, however, were larger than the actual prototypes tested at "Pogo Row."

So the slats shown apparently don't even represent what was decided on.

So the TV clip was even faker news than I thought. And this article is just as fake news.

John Henry

PuertoRicoSpaceport.com said...

Allens,

Just goes to showya GMTA.

I've been thinking of that same clip for the past few days myself.

President Trump has backed Schumer and Pelosi into a corner. The ball is in their court.

President Trump's hands are tied. Until the House and Senate send him a bill, there is no action he can take.

They could send him a bill without the wall and dare him to veto it. I suspect he would. Right now he can't even veto anything because they have sent him nothing.

I wouldn't mind if he gave a little something. Suppose he was willing to accept 5.3 instead of 5.5bn. I'd be OK and the dems would say that they squeezed him and got something. Everybody wins, or can claim they did.

But they can't even do that.

John Henry

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tcrosse said...

Scuttlebutt has it that RBG is about to resign. So Trump could dangle a Merrick Garland SCOtUS appointment in front of Chuck 'n' Nancy in exchange for the Wall. Let's see them refuse that.

Rick said...

So Trump could dangle a Merrick Garland SCOtUS appointment in front of Chuck 'n' Nancy in exchange for the Wall.

What a terrible deal.

FIDO said...

Allen is missing mine. I want a civil war inside the Democratic Party.

And I will offer amnesty AFTER a Wall

tcrosse said...

What a terrible deal.

Possibly, but it puts them into a dilemma. And if they hesitate, he could withdraw it.

Bob Boyd said...

@ PuertoRicoSpaceport.com said...
I agree. If this report was intended to inform, it would tell us exactly what was used, how long it took, etc. They would even talk to the guys involved and get their opinions. Instead, they were deliberately vague. The purpose of the report was to propagandize against the wall.

If you look closely at the metal in the images, it looks to me like the various cuts were done in different ways. This would be consistent with a destructive testing regime.
You are right. Some of the cuts were clearly done with a torch or a plasma cutter, something like that. You can see the slag and the characteristic rough edge and blueish coloration left by a cutting torch.
One edge looks to me like it was cut with some kind of rotary tool, but likely not with a saw. Probably an angle grinder with a cutting wheel. You can see where the cut came around and didn't quite meet where it started. That's very common when you cut around something because the rotating blade tends to wander one way or the other unless you have carefully marked a straight line to follow.

If you could drive to a remote part of the wall, you could take a lot of tools. Also, they make small, portable oxy-acetylene set ups that could be carried and don't need electricity. A plasma cutter would require a generator to power it.

If I was going to cut a couple sections out of those slats, I'd try a cordless 4" angle grinder and bring a whole box of metal cutting wheels and plenty of batteries. I'd also bring a sledge hammer, a big chisel and a pry bar.
To cut a slat, I'd make 2 cuts all the way around the slat, one high, one low. Then I'd join those with two vertical cuts opposite each other on the slat. Now I should be able to use the sledge to knock the metal casing halves off the concrete core. I might have to use the chisel and pry bar. Once the casing was removed, I'd smash off the concrete with the hammer until only the rebar was left. I'd cut the rebar with my grinder and Voila'.

No barrier is indestructible and it has to be cost effective. I'm sure you'll agree, the barrier doesn't have to be unbreachable. It just has to be a lot better than what is there now.

Marcus said...

Working your way through a concrete border wall: The Shankshaw Redemption. 'Nuff said.

THEOLDMAN

DEEBEE said...

Yes! And then you effing morons it becomes a issue he rides back-in on and you guys will need PTSD therapy real bad. RBF replacement would just be icing.

Gahrie said...

Trump should announce that by building the wall, we're aborting all of those future illegal immigrants. That'll get all the women's votes.

FIDO said...

Trump doesn't care about abortion. He probably found it useful a time or two.

He does care about a Wall.

He might dangle that deal just to get the Feminist panties atwitter

FIDO said...

Even if some remote area gets a one person sized hole

- it is better than 50 being able to walk abreast across the border

- you can't drive a truck full of who knows how much through a hole

- you can easily repair a hole

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Guildofcannonballs said...

Kissinger said, and weighed it comprehensively

Gk1 said...

I think the democrats will be more than happy to let this whole thing drop as they mobilize for another fruitless assault against Trump's next SCOTUS nominee now that RBG will resign. And we thought the Allies in W.W.1 were hard headed and lacking imagination at the Somme.

walter said...

Heh..

Top stories
Piers Morgan blasts Dems over their ‘rank hypocrisy’ in refusing to support border wall construction
TheBlaze.com·1 day ago

PIERS MORGAN: Trump’s anti-migrant rhetoric does him no favours
Daily Mail·1 day ago

walter said...

Blogger PuertoRicoSpaceport.com said...
it is obvious that they were not sawn, they were burned with an oxyacetylene torch. Perhaps, given how cleanly the concrete filling was cut, a plasma torch.
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Shit. I hope Jim Acosta gets his saw demo out before this is common knowledge.

Gk1 said...

Hilarious! Now Trump's just running up the score at this point.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1083531644785455104

walter said...

Acosta is now going to bloat out his face further with Tex Mex comfort food.
He's not the janky slim "salt and pepper" eye candy (per his sycophant staff) he was before Trump elect...and his recent divorce...

walter said...

It's sad, really. I still remember him basking in celeb aura in Milwaukee.
Get that sawz on, Jimmy!

Chuck said...

Blogger tcrosse said...
Scuttlebutt has it that RBG is about to resign. So Trump could dangle a Merrick Garland SCOtUS appointment in front of Chuck 'n' Nancy in exchange for the Wall. Let's see them refuse that.



What a terrible idea!

Give away a SCOTUS seat, for some “wall” funding?!? That is nuts!

Robert Cook said...

Trump, in claiming an emergency exists that doesn't, (warning of "death and more death" if the unnecessary wall isn't built), and suggesting he will take away money allocated for real emergencies to build a wall for an emergency that doesn't exist, is pulling his Hitler v. the Jews move. He's building support for his actions by demonizing a category of people his supporters are eager to hate.

AllenS said...

As you've skimmed through the news these past couple of years, Mr Cook, have you not noticed stories about illegal immigrants killing law abiding US citizens?

Robert Cook said...

"As you've skimmed through the news these past couple of years, Mr Cook, have you not noticed stories about illegal immigrants killing law abiding US citizens?"

Are murders by illegal immigrants proportionately greater (or as great) as murders of U.S. citizens committed by other U.S. citizens?

A few news stories amount to anecdotal accounts. This is why Americans often fear violent crime as a greater danger to them than is actually so. They read something in the paper or see something on tv and assume the individual story is indicative of a great number of such crimes.

Given that the rate of illegal immigrants crossing our borders has fallen steadily over the past 15 or so years, and given that, nationally, rates of violent crimes are also at or near historic lows, it is certainly false to say a "national emergency" has developed or exists. Trump is fomenting fear of a phantom menace to manipulate the people, (always too easily--and ready--to be panicked by scare stories of savage hordes sweeping toward them with murder in mind).

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