December 5, 2018

"An all-male Princeton University a cappella group will no longer perform a song from Disney’s 'The Little Mermaid' because some students there complained that the performance promotes misogyny and 'toxic masculinity' and violates consent."

The NY Post reports.
The singers, known as the Tigertones, have for years performed the song “Kiss the Girl” by picking a man and a woman from the audience and encouraging them to smooch on the cheek, according to Inside Higher Ed.

In the animated movie, the tune is crooned by a Rastafarian crab to encourage a prince to kiss a mermaid — and features the lyrics, “My oh my/ Looks like the boy’s too shy/ Ain’t gonna kiss the girl.”...

“[It’s] more misogynistic and dismissive of consent than cute,” sophomore Noa Wollstein wrote in the Daily Princetonian on Nov. 26. “By performing the song multiple times each semester, the Tigertones elevate it to an offensive and violating ritual,” the piece, titled “Dear Tigertones, please stop singing ‘Kiss the Girl,’” proclaims....

“Such expressions imply that not using aggressive physical action to secure Ariel’s sexual submission makes Eric weak — an irrefutable scaredy-cat,” it adds. “These statements suggest that masculinity is contingent on domination of women. This attitude can catalyze violent tendencies toward, and assault against, women.”

167 comments:

gahrie said...

Who is going to rein in these petulant scolds before they ruin everything?

Besides when 25% of women who attend college are apparently being raped, going after a cappella groups for singing songs is petty.

MayBee said...

I'm beginning to hate the word "consent" like I hate the word "sustainable".

Oso Negro said...

Mere extinction isn't really enough for some people.

Lucien said...

They’re working on a version of”Baby it’s Cold out there “, as a replacement.

tim maguire said...

Kids say the darndest things!

Big Mike said...

Some people do not deserve to have a college education. Noa Wollstein needs to be expelled immediately, and forced to work as a day laborer to gain perspective.

Seeing Red said...

Temperance movement on steroids.

Go raise your own kid.

MayBee said...

They are all wrong about the interpretation anyway. The crab isn't asking for "sexual submission". Is kissing sex? Ariel wants to be kissed, but can't speak. Eric isn't weak or a scardey cat, but he too wants to kiss Ariel.

Do these people who write this stuff never start up a relationship? Do they have no memory or experience of how it feels to care about someone and you aren't sure if they feel the same? And all the sweet torture that goes along with that?
Is it all about, ask if you want to have sex. Be straightforward, never wonder or have miscues with them? Everybody is confident?

Why do I suspect people who write stuff like this are, in reality, like mattress girl, begging a guy to f*ck her harder and hit her while she's doing it?

Freeman Hunt said...

Being timid is one quick way to make a woman lose interest.

Is the problem the song or the audience participation part?

Ignorance is Bliss said...

Go on and kiss the girl...

When you're a prince, they let you...

David Begley said...

Lighten up, lady.

WK said...

Would it be considered a transactional kiss or a kiss in a kiss-for-kiss exchange?

rhhardin said...

A frog can only turn into a prince if the frog was a prince before. Otherwise you get a prince with a tendency to jump to eat flies. The froggy part keeps trying to get out.

Stanley Cavell observes.

Matthew Sablan said...

Wait -- violates consent?

Isn't the entire point of the song that Ariel WANTS the Prince to kiss her, but he's too dense to realize it without sea critters telling him to do it?

Henry said...

They can replace it with an aria from Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk.

President-Mom-Jeans said...

Society needs to be purged of these social justice warrior retards. Pinochet style with helicopters, Game of Thrones style with Fire and Blood, whatever. At this point even having the muslims stone and enslave them would be an improvement to this cancer on the nation.

Nonapod said...
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Nonapod said...

In the young generation we're witnessing some bizarre new version of a Puritanical value system with very strict codes of speech and conduct. These codes forbid any kind of traditional courtship rituals and make certain thoughts taboo. Sinners must be shunned, their careers ruined, and all that forgive them for their sins shall be shunned too.

Shouting Thomas said...

Uh, I'm guessing that most or all of the all-male Princeton University a cappella group are gay and not much interested in kissing girls.

So, why not take the glory of striking a blow for liberation?

WK said...

If “Kiss the Girl” is too misogynistic I doubt they will ever consider doing “Boom Boom Out Go the Lights” in a concert. Would probably be hard to get two audience members to participate.

gahrie said...

Isn't the entire point of the song that Ariel WANTS the Prince to kiss her, but he's too dense to realize it without sea critters telling him to do it?

Wait...are you implying that women sometimes play hard to get and hide their desires, but expect the man to make the first move anyway? Or that women get offended when men they don't desire make the first move?

Why isn't Ariel expected to make the first move and kiss the prince?

Lucid-Ideas said...

Gahrie said, "Who is going to rein in these petulant scolds before they ruin everything?"

Before?

Greg Hlatky said...


These people are insane. Why do normal people let them push them around?

Henry said...

You can't trust crabs. They're like lobsters.

mockturtle said...

"...some students complained...". What if some students complained that there was a dearth of conservative professors? Would they rush right out and hire some?

Kevin said...

We're just minutes away from having to put doilies around furniture legs to keep men from getting aroused.

Char Char Binks said...

Faint heart never raped fair maid.

Angle-Dyne, Samurai Buzzard said...

MayBee: Do these people who write this stuff never start up a relationship?

I'd guess "product of varying proportions of 'envy of other people's relationships' and 'bitterness from unrequited attraction and/or failed relationships'". Can probably throw in DSM-worthy level of "Daddy issues". On the other hand, "not all that bright with highly conformist personality seeking approval from perceived authority figures" might cover it.

Why do I suspect people who write stuff like this are, in reality, like mattress girl, begging a guy to f*ck her harder and hit her while she's doing it?

Probability of an examination of browsing history supporting your suspicion: high.

tcrosse said...

Moral Perfectionism: It's what's for supper.

Geoff Matthews said...

I'm not upset with this. I don't think the song was the problem, but the fact that they got two people up on stage and pressured them to kiss.
Drop the theatricals, and I doubt that the SJWs would have gotten far.

mockturtle said...

Taken to an extreme [but not too extreme for these feminazis], men will be instructed to obtain a contractual consent before a goodnight kiss can be proffered. Actually, a woman makes it quite clear if she wants to be kissed and to ask permission would spoil a romantic moment.

I agree with MayBee and suspect a lot of these women have rape and bondage fantasies.

Captain Curt said...

And the Atlantic Monthly wonders why there's a "sex recession" among millennials...

Blackbeard said...

And the fertility rate, already well below replacement, continues to drop. The future belongs, as always, to those who have babies.

n.n said...

A corollary is politics that requires universal and continuous consent. Maybe that would be for the better.

YoungHegelian said...

Maybe they could arrange some arias from Don Giovanni instead...

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

never mind the performing the song-- men are backing off of performing CPR

AlbertAnonymous said...

Then they should sing some CeLo Green instead.

n.n said...

A fetus, offspring, baby, is labeled a "burden". Pregnancy reduces a feminine female to a beast of "burden". In Stork they trust.

AlbertAnonymous said...

Or Wheeler Walker Jr.....

bleh said...

Sebastian is singing on behalf of Ariel, who is unable to speak. Ariel needs to get Eric to kiss her or else she turns back into a mermaid. Sebastian is helping her!

Even if Ariel doesn't really want to kiss Eric in that moment, although she clearly does, she gets something very valuable out of the kiss. A very "transactional" kiss, and therefore immoral.

glenn said...

Let’s see what happens when Missy can’t get a date.

gilbar said...

this almost ties in!
Saturday Night Live writer and comedian Nimesh Patel was pulled from the stage by event organizers after telling jokes that were criticized as racist and homophobic during his performance at cultureSHOCK: Reclaim, an event held by Columbia Asian American Alliance on Friday night.
https://www.columbiaspectator.com/news/2018/12/01/student-organizers-boot-snl-writer-from-stage-during-standup-routine-for-jokes-deemed-offensive-2/#.XAa2xO3jW9c.twitter

They're eating their own!

rcocean said...

How crabby.

rcocean said...

What's happened is Conservatives have "ethnically cleansed" from the Universities. If they exist, they must remain silent to survive.

As a result, you have the Left in complete control. And since the "Liberals" can never fight the Left with any conviction, the whole thing keeps getting Nuttier and more Left wing.

You start off with Kerensky and end up with Stalin.

rcocean said...

The little mermaid is a little girls movie.

So, I had to watch the thing with my daughter.

The sacrifices we make for our children!

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

We are raising a generation of total snowflake leftwing pussies who have no idea what actual discomfort feel like.

mockturtle said...

Why not stage a production of The Taming of the Shrew?

mikee said...

I suggest the singers drop their current repetoire, and sing instead some Jodies from the Marine Corps. And enjoy the exploding heads in the audience.

Up jumped the monkey from the coconut grove,
He was a bad Motherfucker
You could tell by his clothes.
Well, he lined a hundred women
Up against a wall
Bet me a hundred that
He could fuck them all.
Well he fucked 98
And his balls turned blue
So he backed off, jacked off
And fucked the other two

Sound off!

richlb said...

I suspect it's the artist participation angle that causes problems. I have to say compelling complete strangers to kiss (even on the cheek) went out of fashion a while ago. And the song without the audience participation loses its hook. It's sad that it's come to this, but these are the time, man.

PM said...

The rebukes to the LM performance are AWESOME. Same with the Columbia meltdown over Patel. It's endless comedy gold. Some young Mort Sahl is going to make bank sauntering to the mike with those newspaper clippings.

bagoh20 said...

This is what happens when life gets too easy, too predictable, too safe. We are designed to root out dangers and solve problems, so what can we expect when people don't have enough real dangers to occupy our nature. There is no place safer and more coddled than a college campus. It's a continuation of a challenge-free environment that starts in daycare and doesn't really change much for 2 decades. How can people raised that way have any perspective, gratitude, or inner strength? Some do, but there is plenty of room for those who don't want too, and they are accommodated and given voice in their weakness and delusion. This can only get worse, until we get a good cleansing existential threat like another world war that hits home hard. These people will be no help with that real threat when it comes. They are incomplete people, and we made them that way though our own weakness - boomer weakness.

rcocean said...

I don't know what's more absurd.

That a Princeton Men's Choir sings a little Girls cartoon song.

Or

That some PC enforcer makes them stop singing it.

James K said...

I'm reminded of a quote by Flannery O'Connor, which was about teaching literature, but applies more broadly:

"And if the student finds that this is not to his taste? Well, that is
regrettable. Most regrettable. His taste should not be consulted; it is
being formed."

rcocean said...

The PC police must really hate the Jungle Book (1967)

The little girl wants "my own home".

Otto said...

Cultural marxism

MadisonMan said...

Who will hire Noa Wollstein now? A company that doesn't do a google search?

Otto said...

I think it's time Ann adds "cultural marxism" as one of her tags. I think a great number of her blogs fall under that category.

Leland said...

Considering how the group performed this, perhaps an "era of not funny" tag.

It is a shame that Princeton supports prudes that want to censor art. There was a time that such students would be turned away from elite schools. How can one learn with such a closed mind?

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

This is offensive to delicate leftwing snowflakes:

"Baby, It's Cold Outside"

I really can't stay - Baby it's cold outside
I've got to go away - Baby it's cold outside
This evening has been - Been hoping that you'd drop in
So very nice - I'll hold your hands, they're just like ice

My mother will start to worry - Beautiful, what's your hurry?
Father will be pacing the floor - Listen to the fireplace roar
So really I'd better scurry - Beautiful, please don't hurry
Maybe just a half a drink more - Put some records on while I pour

The neighbors might think - Baby, it's bad out there
Say, what's in this drink? - No cabs to be had out there
I wish I knew how - Your eyes are like starlight now
To break this spell - I'll take your hat, your hair looks swell

I ought to say no, no, no - Mind if I move in closer?
At least I'm gonna say that I tried - What's the sense in hurting my pride?
I really can't stay - Baby don't hold out
Ah, but it's cold outside

I've got to get home - Oh, baby, you'll freeze out there
Say, lend me your coat - It's up to your knees out there
You've really been grand - Thrill when you touch my hand
Why don't you see - How can you do this thing to me?

There's bound to be talk tomorrow - Think of my life long sorrow
At least there will be plenty implied - If you caught pneumonia and died
I really can't stay - Get over that hold out
Ah, but it's cold outside
Oh, baby, it's cold outside
Oh, baby, it's cold outside



To same sheltered leftwing pearl-clutchers - This is all-cool.
Same with Milie Cyrus and her videos.

Bob Boyd said...

If they want to please the fun-loving SJW crowd, they should sing 'Be the Girl' instead:

There you see her
Sitting there in the mirror
She don't got a lot to say
But there's something about her
And you don't know why
But you're dying to try
You wanna be the girl
Yes, you want to be her
Look at her, you know you do
It's possible she wants you to be her too
There's one way to ask her
It don't take a word, not a single word
Go on and be the girl, be the girl


Then pick a couple from the audience and encourage them to swap clothes.

pacwest said...

"sophomore Noa Wollstein wrote in the Daily Princetonian"

Some professor taught some sort of empowerment class, and the some silly sophomore got a good grade by showing her willingness to parrot the lesson in the school paper. Same as it always was. Only the technology has changed.

Lucien said...

Ann should add a “New Prudery” tag.

CJinPA said...

Nice debate on this in the InsideHigherEd comment section.

CJinPA said...

Basically, the merits of the criticism don't matter. The group likely gave in to critics out of rational fear that their reputations would be destroyed if the resisted.

gerry said...

“[It’s] more misogynistic and dismissive of consent than cute,” sophomore Noa Wollstein wrote in the Daily Princetonian on Nov. 26.

How sophomoric.

AlbertAnonymous said...

CeLo Green: Fuck You

Wheeler Walker Jr: Fuck You Bitch

Fuck you Bitch
You broke my heart
Fuck your friends
For tearing us apart
Fuck your dog
I hope he never comes home
Fuck you bitch
I hope you wind up alone

AlbertAnonymous said...

Or they can do the acapella version of “Enormous Penis”

You can google it, great song. Just google “Enormous Penis Song” or your search history will look really bad... and don’t click any other links.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

The Beatles "I want to hold your hand"

Unwanted physical contact. Ban! Ban! Ban!

Laslo Spatula said...

A (somewhat) serious question: what music does this triggered writer listen to, herself?

Because if a fucking Disney song is too much for her, I'm pretty sure she can't handle ABBA, much less Jay-Z. (see? A-to-Z, there)

My guess is that for her there are exceptions, probably based on the artists' status as victim or cultural representative.

But a collegiate a capella group singing a Disney song upsets her?

Bitch, THOSE dudes are social victims. They are a more outgoing version of the fucking Chess Club.

Go pick on the white cheerleaders with their cheers for the toxic masculinity of black men.

I am Laslo.

Xmas said...

The should sing a more empowering song for women, like Khia's "My Neck My Back".

Henry said...

All songs need new lyrics.

n.n said...

The complaint denies a woman's (she's not a kid anymore) franchise similar to Pro-Choice (two choices too late). It presumes that the male and female are masculine and feminine, respectively, and while they may not normalize a relationship, they will also not tolerate, and, in fact, will reject it. Perhaps they are concerned that the woman's choice may progress to a Choice, probably not. There is also a concern that it promotes transphobia or toxic heterosexuality.

DanTheMan said...

Thank God they've put an end to this sexual violence. Now colleges can get back to their primary missions of policing Halloween costumes and inventing new pronouns.

tim in vermont said...

This is going to end in tears. Same as Macron’s wildly popular climate fixes by raising gas prices has played out in France. Is it any wonder that kids are drawn to Friends? It’s just possible that everybody is afraid to say what everybody is thinking, that these little red guard/SJWs are not well liked.

DanTheMan said...

Mikee,
Do you know the girl from Kansas City? ;)

Yancey Ward said...

Wow, how stupid do you have to be to misunderstand the song and the context that way? Mind-boggling stupidity is what this is.

Yancey Ward said...

Perhaps the group should just do some rap songs for the snowflakes to make them happy.

Sam L. said...

The STUPID is STRONG at Princeton.

Leland said...

Having lunch, and ESPNU is in the background with a commercial featuring a Kiss Cam at a sporting event. Has Princeton prides heard about this? Oh wait, it was a sporting event and we are talking about Princeton. I doubt they have a scoreboard that could support a Kiss Cam.

Francisco D said...

This is what you get when you give kids a degree in Gender Studies.

They become leaders in the cult of The Perpetually Aggrieved.

chuck said...

That's so Ivy League it's pathetic.

traditionalguy said...

The open proud insanity of the leaders at the EDU Cult is getting stronger by the day. That level of darkness is an amazing contrast next to the light of the Western Traditions won from the Dark Ages since the dawning of the Enlightenment.

Please tell me it's only The Onion Gone Wild.

Ken B said...

Forgot the racism tag. Othering Jamaicans.

Jon Burack said...

Paglia sums it up well in the very last paragraph of an interview online now.

"We’re back to the hypocrisy sweepstakes, where gestures of virtue are as formalized as kabuki. Humor has been assassinated. An off word at work or school will get you booted to the gallows. This is the graveyard of liberalism, whose once noble ideals have turned spectral and vampiric."

https://spectator.us/camille-paglia-hillary-trump/

mockturtle said...

Bagoh29 theorizes: This is what happens when life gets too easy, too predictable, too safe. We are designed to root out dangers and solve problems, so what can we expect when people don't have enough real dangers to occupy our nature.

Good point. Maybe it's one reason action video games are so popular.

Skippy Tisdale said...

I think they should do this Prince song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXkCtFo4ttI

n.n said...

Was there force? They're not kids anymore. As with other Pro-Choice doctrine, this change ignores first-order choices. That said, the song promotes matchmaking between men and women. The anti-matchmaking precedent will deprive men and women, fathers and mothers, and well-wishers of a useful tool to encourage potential couples.

Bay Area Guy said...

"Petulant scolds" is a good one, Gahrie. Eloquent, yet understated. Well do

"Angry bitches" is no good, too harsh, too ghetto.

"Frigid Kung Fu Bitches" got some currency Freshman year of college, but that's dated and discordant.

"Uptight Leftwing Feminists" isn't even derogatory, just factually descriptive.

I'm gonna go with "Humorless Pedants". It captures the spirit of these idiotic ugly women, in a gender neutral way.

n.n said...

This is the graveyard of liberalism, whose once noble ideals have turned spectral and vampiric.

This is liberalism, progressive (i.e. monotonic) or generational liberalism, which is merely divergent. This is the Pro-Choice religious/moral philosophy, selective, opportunistic, and politically congruent. Principles matter.

Achilles said...

The leftists who are shutting down speech they disagree with are willing to fight for what they want.

They are winning because the relatively few people who are willing to fight for freedom don’t get public support from most Americans.

Our country won’t fall because the leftist funded universities raise generations of little totalitarian shits.

It will fall because people who want freedom aren’t willing to fight for it and would rather bitch and moan on a blog forum.

This will continue down the slippery slope until people like me give up and leave you all in your festering cowardice or you all grow up.

They are willing to fight for fascism.

But I don’t see anyone supporting FIRE or the people Mueller is destroying or the Uranium One whistle blower who was attacked by corrupt FBI thugs.

Unknown said...

"The Little Mermaid" is a nearly flawless movie which I have seen in theaters upwards of 50 times. It it not mearly "a little girls' movie". Ariel is an "actor" not acted-upon like previous Disney princesses. Her decisions drive the action, and apart from a nit I could pick with her not fully participating in the destruction of Ursula, she is the "hero" of the movie.

That doesn't mean she's not socially awkward and could use a little musical crab help in accomplishing her goal, but it was *her* goal.

Fernandistein said...

Why do some students' complaints about trivia make national news?

Tomcc said...

Ms. Wollstein is, no doubt, looking forward to a fulfilling career searching for, and finding perceived faults throughout our society. It's a high calling.

sodal ye said...

Blogger mockturtle said...
Why not stage a production of The Taming of the Shrew?

Whoa

BUMBLE BEE said...

SOOOOO... H.R. Database programmers have a few more choice names and profiles to add. Makes that DO NOT HIRE app well worth it's weight in gold.
SEE ALSO: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-03/a-wall-street-rule-for-the-metoo-era-avoid-women-at-all-cost

These creepies are the future of America?

Jim at said...

Things like this used to annoy me. Now, I just laugh at them.
Mock them mercilessly. It's what they deserve.

traditionalguy said...

Camille Paglia has a new interview in the Spectator/USA that is right on point. She sees this nonsense as a new Victorian prudery and suggests we all return to a study of her's and Jordan Peterson's revival of Jungian consciousness.

gilbar said...

here's an Important Modern Question
someone said "It presumes that the male and female are masculine and feminine, respectively,"

but! But!! BUT!!!
what IF,
What IF the male has a vagina, and the female is a chick with a dick>
Who's at fault? Who's charged with The Rape? the male with the vagina? or the chick with a dick?

Lucid-Ideas said...

Yes, you want her.
Avert your male gaze at her, you know you should.
Possible she wants you, too....as a friend.
There is one way to ask her....for consent.
It don't take a word...unless it's a no.
Not a single word....unless it's a yes.
Go on and give that kissing contract, to the Girl.

sodal ye said...

You should hear what words of wisdom black girls have to say about whites boys.





Char Char Binks said...

"And the fertility rate, already well below replacement, continues to drop. The future belongs, as always, to those who have babies."

No matter. Wollstein will replace us.

BUMBLE BEE said...

Prager sez affluence + boredom = leftism. This pampered and unchallenged "ruling class" on campus have nothing better to do than go from outrage to outrage while clutching their pearls.

sodal ye... I'm guessing the current response of the black girls would be visually porteyed by the final "fight" scenes of Blazing Saddles.

BUMBLE BEE said...

portrayed

gilbar said...

Problem Solved!
The Little Mermaid Official Horror Trailer [2019] HD Movie HD

rcocean said...

Bush looks really good for 72, you'd think he was 10 years younger than Bill Clinton. With his good genes, he'll probably live to 95 too.

James K said...

Why do some students' complaints about trivia make national news?

It's the tip of the iceberg of what is happening on campuses everywhere, with much greater consequences--like the riots at Berkeley, the prof who was seriously injured at Middlebury, not to mention the related denials of due process for accused males.

jaydub said...

We're screwed.

rhhardin said...

I forget what Georgie Porgie did exactly, but it was an early #MeToo moment I think.

rhhardin said...

There's some feeling it was one King George or another, known for sexing up the interns.

rhhardin said...

And then fleeing to France when their fathers come after him.

James K said...

Prager sez affluence + boredom = leftism.

Jonathan Haidt says it's how kids are being raised--overprotected, 'coddled', made to believe they are fragile and helpless, with a consequent increase in pathological anxiety (like kids cutting themselves).

John Ray said...

Hey folks, good news is that you do not have to admit that: "At the cost of thousands and thousands of $$, I sent this bitch kid to Princeton, and her claim to fame is that she nixed a Disney song?"

Ron Winkleheimer said...

This references Yale, but is still apropos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8M2tg2RkIQ

Unknown said...

Stupid is as stupid does. What the **** ever. The stupidity genie is out of the bottle, never to be put back in. It will be just like the asinine sex instructions at the workplace, everyone will just avoid each other and move over to the corner of the room where their tribe is located.

TheThinMan said...

An Ivy League student today is more immature and fragile than a 5-year-old from the 1980s, and can't be expected to handle exposure to artistic expressions that the '80s 5-year-old understood in the right spirit and enjoyed.

Paul Zrimsek said...

"Tonic Masculinity" would be a good name for a men's vocal group.

tim in vermont said...

"The Little Mermaid" is a nearly flawless movie which I have seen in theaters upwards of 50 times. It it not mearly "a little girls' movie". Ariel is an "actor" not acted-upon like previous Disney princesses. Her decisions drive the action, and apart from a nit I could pick with her not fully participating in the destruction of Ursula, she is the "hero" of the movie.

So she’s the exact opposite of Indiana Jones in Raiders of the Lost Ark?

Tommy Duncan said...

“To destroy is easier than to create, and that is why so many people are ready to demonstrate against what they reject. But what would they say if one asked them what they wanted instead?” --Ivan Klima

Tommy Duncan said...

Is there such a thing as "toxic femininity"?

Is Joy Behar an example?

Char Char Binks said...

I hear Joy Behar smells yeasty, so most likely.

Scott M said...

Just how affluent does a society need to be before things like this become a problem?

THIS affluent, apparently.

bagoh20 said...

"Is there such a thing as "toxic femininity"?"

The masculine kind was once a problem, but today I'd say the feminine type has overtaken the masculine in both volume and destructive effect, especially at universities. All this anger, censorship, and punitivity with the personal destruction campaigns are feminist in motivation and character. They are almost entirely aimed at anything masculine or traditional, but especially masculine. It is essentially religious in fervor and mindlessness. It reminds me of the Islamist view of anything non-muslim. Uncompromising, self-righteous, hypocritical, and vicious - devoid of compassion, or empathy.

Rick said...

Jonathan Haidt says it's how kids are being raised--overprotected, 'coddled', made to believe they are fragile and helpless, with a consequent increase in pathological anxiety (like kids cutting themselves).

He's wrong. Presenting political disagreements as threats to "safety" is not driven by anything intrinsic to the students. Threats to safety invoke a duty by responsible parties. Thus they allow the speaker's activist allies (both faculty and administrators) to take actions they would not otherwise be able to justify in the absence of this duty.

This is purely a political consideration, the students are playing the role (victim) the process requires but which cannot be performed by more powerful political actors.

bagoh20 said...
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bagoh20 said...

"Just how affluent does a society need to be before things like this become a problem?"

I see it starting in the 60's - the children of the greatest generation suddenly had it all with little being asked of them as long as you avoided the draft. Then that was removed and replaced with layers of social safety net. It was nearly impossible to become destitute without an addiction of some kind sucking your benefits away. You had to try pretty hard to impoverish yourself. It has only gotten more so today.

bagoh20 said...

To be clear, I consider myself part of a generation that was also spoiled by too much, too easy. That weakened me as person too. I wish my life would have been harder. All the help did not improve my character or abilities. It mostly produced wasted time, and missed opportunities.

tim in vermont said...

"Is there such a thing as "toxic femininity"?"

Ask Bret Kavanaugh.

Rob McLean said...

“[It’s] more misogynistic and dismissive of consent than cute,” sophomore Noa Wollstein wrote in the Daily Princetonian on Nov. 26.

Note to self: Stay far away from places run by angry 19-year-old girls.

n.n said...

This is the tail-end of the American Republic, exhibiting all the tell-tale signs, and hearts, of that progressive condition.

tim in vermont said...

“These statements suggest that masculinity is contingent on domination of women. This attitude can catalyze violent tendencies toward, and assault against, women.”

I wouldn’t say “dominate” but there are times when both parties would be happier if the man were more dominant in a situation like that.

Unknown said...

So she’s the exact opposite of Indiana Jones in Raiders of the Lost Ark?

Heh. Yep. Indy could have just stayed home for all he accomplished.

YoungHegelian said...

@@unknown,

The Little Mermaid" is a nearly flawless movie which I have seen in theaters upwards of 50 times.

If anyone here doesn't remember the scene, take look here/ It really is an example of the Disney studios at their best.

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Unknown said...

"The Little Mermaid" is a nearly flawless movie which I have seen in theaters upwards of 50 times.

To follow myself up, here's a longer take I posted on an animation forum at the time of TLM's first re-release (something Disney used to do before home video, and was still in the last stages of doing at the time):

I know I'm probably preaching to the converted, but I sense some anti-Disney sentiment here from time to time, so let me say it:

If you are an animation fan you owe it to yourself to go see "The Little Mermaid" in a theater.

Find one with good sound and go --- now. Video is just not the same. Seeing it seven years ago is not the same. I think I've seen every Disney animated feature except "The Rescuers", and "The Little Mermaid" is simply the best. There is no better song in the Disney repertoire than "Kiss The Girl", unless perhaps it's "Under the Sea". The story is seamlessly constructed, the songs all fit the action perfectly, and Airel is the most self-directed Disney heroine ever. She doesn't sit around while the story happens to her; the decisions she makes at key points drive the action and her choices lead to an irrevocable break with her past.

The character animation is flawless. From that quick look of determination Airel gets just as she makes a decision and springs into action to the glare of annoyance she gives Flounder when he has gotten her into trouble with her father, every nuance rings true. The staging works incredibly well also; I can think of no more poignant moment in animation than when Airel sings "Part of His World" and reaches out towards the surface from the confinement of the cave, nor a more powerful image of resolve than when she reprises the song on the rock with the waves crashing around her.

So, support new animation, sure: Go see Anastasia too, but do go see "The Little Mermaid". If you leave now you can probably catch the next show.

Gahrie said...

I've just read an article where some nutty professor is claiming that the Christmas story is about lack of consent. Get that? They're now saying God raped Mary.

Where does it end? How do we punish this type of harmful shit? I believe in free speech, but I also believe in consequences for speech. We are never going to restore our culture and society to health until this stuff is stopped. But how?

YoungHegelian said...

@Gahrie,

I've just read an article where some nutty professor is claiming that the Christmas story is about lack of consent.

To bad for that asshole that Luke includes that "Behold the handmaiden of the Lord. Be it done to me according to thy Will" business.

How do we punish this type of harmful shit?

Like This.

mockturtle said...

Gahrie, it's not harmful shit. Just stupid shit. And remember: Satan always overplays his hand and we're seeing that in spades. [Heh].

mockturtle said...

Young Hegelian: I really do miss Monty Python and that was one of my favorite bits. That said, replacing one type of tyranny with another is probably not the answer.

mockturtle said...

Islam's blasphemy laws are a nasty example.

Sacto_Dave said...

I’ll bet at least one out of five college wymyn were sexually assaulted as a result of a Little Mermaid song. Really dangerous stuff there. Eek!

Leland said...

My guess is that for her there are exceptions, probably based on the artists' status as victim or cultural representative.

Maybe not Laslo.

The context of the song in the movie is that a female has lost the ability to provide consent, as she is the unwitting victim of a scam perpetrated by another female. The purpose of the scam is to trap the victimized female into slavery. The lobster friend is trying to entice the man to "Kiss the Girl" in order to save the female's life.

Further, the victim female is in the process of undergoing a species change. She is really a mermaid, but she identifies as human. The scam is predicated on providing her species altering surgery. So we are talking about the intersection of trans and slavery, and this female's victimhood isn't enough to support her friend trying to get a man to "Kiss the Girl".

So allowing a Kiss to save a person from a lifetime of slavery and species misidentification can't be condoned in Princeton.

Sacto_Dave said...


Blogger Greg Hlatky said...

These people are insane. Why do normal people let them push them around?

Good question. Why don’t normal people just ignore them? Maybe they’ll go away.

MayBee said...

This is what happens when women are raised on the idea that men can't love and are only ever playing women for sex.

Unknown said...

All it takes is "some students". Someone should point out that "some people" object to every possible human activity. Some people would forbid pineapple on pizza, would forbid nickelback from performing, think dancing is too sexy, object to shorts, object to sandals, object to people having children, hate polka music, would ban video games.....everything bothers someone.

bonkti said...

MayBee nails it. The goalposts are moving to "sustainable consent."

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n.n said...

The [human] prince was under intense social pressure to kiss the [feminine, female] mermaid. #LoveWins

The resistance is a clear evidence of misandry, heterophobia, toxic leftism, as well as acute transphobia. #NoJudgment

That said, #HateLovesAbortion.

n.n said...

This is what happens when lust and pleasure are normalized, love and responsibility are deprecated... women are from Venus, men are from Mars, and babies are delivered by Stork, or not, in a Planned Parenthood. Diversity or color judgments, female and male chauvinism, the State's demand for taxable, colorful human clumps, only serves to exacerbate collateral damage, with a forward-looking perspective.

YoungHegelian said...

@mockturtle,

That said, replacing one type of tyranny with another is probably not the answer.

It's the comfy chair for you, heretic!

FIDO said...

I was on a plane. There was a mother there who had two kids, barely walking.

She was alone. No man. No friend. Stuck with two kids, one of whom was always awake.

I am a husband of decades, and have raised many children. I was a preferred babysitter when I was even a teenager. I can teach and motivate, entertain and distract kids.

**


As women continue to try to push men out of society, I don't think they realize exactly what they are going to miss in return.

Lori Gottlieb, an IVF single mom, has a clue that many of today's women don't, at these costs.

She wrote in 'Marry Him!' in the Atlantic:

Marriage isn’t a passion-fest; it’s more like a partnership formed to run a very small, mundane, and often boring nonprofit business. And I mean this in a good way.

and

Just as the relationship books fail to mention what happens after you triumphantly land a husband (you actually have to live with each other), these single-mom books fail to mention that once you have a baby alone, not only do you age about 10 years in the first 10 months, but if you don’t have time to shower, eat, urinate in a timely manner, or even leave the house except for work, where you spend every waking moment that your child is at day care, there’s very little chance that a man—much less The One—is going to knock on your door and join that party.

**

I left her to her burden. Because a man who approaches a strange woman must be a threat. Because a man who is willing to play with a kid must be a pervert. Because women would rather worry about that 1 in million chance that a man is a threat rather than have 5 minutes to eat a snack, use the bathroom, or take a quick nap. IN AN AIRPLANE.

So she deserved the consequences of her fear.


Bob Loblaw said...

It's one more way feminists make women miserable. Women want men to use nonverbal cues to figure out when she wants a kiss. Asking verbally takes all the fun out of it. How many women actually want this? Ten percent? Fifteen?

Bob Loblaw said...

As women continue to try to push men out of society, I don't think they realize exactly what they are going to miss in return.

They do realize it. That's why they're pushing for government programs to replace all the services men used to provide.

Amadeus 48 said...

All Tigertones performances are structural rape. The only way to end the horror is to cool the earth to late Ice Age temperatures. Human reproduction is an insult to the moral order of the universe.

mockturtle said...

They do realize it. That's why they're pushing for government programs to replace all the services men used to provide.

All the services? Woo hoo! Where do I sign up?

mockturtle said...

Per Young Hegelian: It's the comfy chair for you, heretic!

Oh no! Not the comfy chair! ;-)

FIDO said...

All the services? Woo hoo! Where do I sign up?


The jokes write themselves:

"Please fill out these forms in triplicate"


"And you thought DMV service was bad..."


"Hell is where the government provides French Butlers, British Chefs and German Sex Workers"

FIDO said...

Edit note: I had a snack, a nap and went to the bathroom.

Gk1 said...

Shouting Thomas beat me to it. Can everyone accept the idea that a chorus of gay males may not be the best arbiters of determining "toxic masculinity"?

Jay Elink said...

Everyone misses the obvious point:

The Little Mermaid wishes for two legs to that she can woo the Prince.

But...but...but... IN ADDITION to those two legs she will need ...something else...to keep him.

("Jeopardy" music, please)

Old definition of a mermaid: too much fish to fry, too little woman to love.

Unknown said...

Mermaids are obviously mammals. So.. It's in there.

Michael McNeil said...

I too have seen Disney's The Little Mermaid many times, and agree that it's great. My partner and I were just talking about watching it together the other day.

Mac McConnell said...

The Ivy League is supposed to be the "best and the brightest", they prove this a lie everyday.
Actually they've been proving this for the last fifty years. With the death of our last truly WASP President it seems the only positive legacy of the old Ivy League is it's clothing.

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Zach said...

“Such expressions imply that not using aggressive physical action to secure Ariel’s sexual submission makes Eric weak — an irrefutable scaredy-cat,”

Did they watch the movie?

I realize this is a stupid question in the culture war, but still.

In the movie, Ariel is in love with the Prince, has run away from home to be with him, has made a binding contract with Ursula which requires her to be kissed by him or lose her voice permanently, and has enlisted her friend Sebastian, the Rastafarian crab who sings the song, to help make the Prince fall in love with her. And kiss her.

They're on a romantic boat ride, and she's making doe eyes at him.

She's a consentin' fool, is what I'm saying. There's more consenting than you can shake a stick at, but less kissing than you can shake a much smaller stick at.

Zach said...

I just watched the scene again. It's really beautifully staged.

As with most musicals, the song is an expression of what's in the character's heart. The interesting thing is that, although Sebastian's the one singing it, the point of view is the Prince:

There you see her
Sitting there across the way
She don't got a lot to say
But there's something about her

And you don't know why
But you're dying to try
You wanna kiss the girl

Yes, you want her
Look at her, you know you do
It's possible she wants you too
There's one way to ask her
It don't take a word, not a single word
Go on and kiss the girl, kiss the girl


Is this the only song in a Disney movie that's sung from the Prince's perspective?

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Paul Ciotti said...

Here's what I wonder. How long after starting college do freshman coeds generally get raped for the first time? Three months? Thirty days? During orientation week?