November 1, 2018

"[P]oliticians like Mr. Trump who stoke anger and fear in their supporters provoke a surge of stress hormones, like cortisol and norepinephrine, and engage the amygdala..."

"... the brain center for threat.... This makes it hard for people to dial down their emotions and think before they act. Mr. Trump has managed to convince his supporters that America is the victim and that we face an existential threat from imagined dangers like the migrant caravan and the 'fake, fake disgusting news.'...  Just about any of us could be susceptible [to becoming violent] under the right conditions.... A 2011 study by Dr. Fiske and a colleague looked at 'social cognition' — the ability to put oneself in someone else’s place and recognize 'the other as a human being subject to moral treatment.' Subjects in the study were found to be so unempathetic toward drug addicts and homeless people that they found it difficult to imagine how those people thought or felt. Using brain M.R.I., researchers showed that images of members of dehumanized groups failed to activate brain regions implicated in normal social cognition and instead activated the subjects’ insula, a region implicated in feelings of disgust. As Dr. Fiske has written, 'Both science and history suggest that people will nurture and act on their prejudices in the worst ways when these people are put under stress, pressured by peers, or receive approval from authority figures to do so.' So when someone like President Trump dehumanizes his adversaries, he could be putting them beyond the reach of empathy, stripping them of moral protection and making it easier to harm them."

From "The Neuroscience of Hate Speech/Humans are social creatures who are easily influenced by the anger and rage that are everywhere these days" by the psychiatry professor Richard A. Friedman (NYT).

Here's one of the more interesting comments at the link:
Missing: women, 51%, are missing from this analysis and from the famous Stanley Milgram experiment reported. In fact women do not respond to violence in the same way, or to commands from authority figures as do men.

Women are not mass murderers in general and do not respond well to Trump. When speaking of violence generalizations like “Humans are social creatures...influenced by violence and rage” women are ignored.
Of course, no group "in general" is composed of mass murderers, and some women do respond well to Trump, and I don't really know if it's true that the brain studies have concentrated on men. When we worry about violence, we think almost entirely about men becoming violent, but the subject of angry and hateful public discourse relates not merely to who will be incited actually to commit violence. The main concern — let's face it — is how people will vote. If we are afraid of violence and become more vigilant, we're all very unlikely to commit acts of violence. But it becomes part of what determines our vote, and the most likely outcome is that we will just vote for someone like Trump who seems willing and able to protect us from violence.

123 comments:

David Begley said...

Looks like something the noted Doctor CBF might have written.

Fabi said...

I keep my stress seared into my hippopotamus.

Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...

And yet it's the left that has been on a non-stop anger/hate fest for the last two years.

The Crack Emcee said...

The Macho Response was needed to kill the NewAge influence that threatened to consume us.

That's all I know.

Lucid-Ideas said...

"[P]oliticians like Mr. Trump who stoke anger and fear in their supporters provoke a surge of stress hormones, like cortisol and norepinephrine, and engage the amygdala..."


The amount of projection these people display is off the charts...like-nothing-I've-ever-seen-before off the charts...


Trump "stokes anger and fear" and "stress hormones" in YOU, you insane dumpster wombat...YOU. Your extrapolation that because you feel threatened by Trump MUST mean everyone is threatened is tacit admission of your narcissism. It is tacit admission that, as we already know, that you believe the world revolves around you.

Lucien said...

But President Trump has AUTHORITARIAN TENDENCIES!!

chuck said...

Junk science. I'm not going to waste any hormones dealing with the NY Times.

n.n said...

First, a good neighbor policy, and emigration reform, to mitigate the collateral damage from immigration reform at both ends of the bridge. Second, men are concerned for the safety and welfare of their wives, daughters, mothers, girlfriends, etc. Women, children, and babies, first, is not men's plea for a sacrificial order. Third, the rate of immigration should not exceed the rate of assimilation and integration before Planned Parenthood, including bot not limited to selective-child ("wicked solution"). That said, in order to mitigate the congestion and poverty (e.g. dependence) of high density population centers, each nation, community, and family, needs to tend their own garden, which also mitigates progressive corruption, and enables private smoothing functions (e.g. charity) when needed.

Ignorance is Bliss said...

Politicians like Mr. Trump who stoke anger and fear in their supporters provoke a surge of stress hormones, like cortisol and norepinephrine, and engage the amygdala..."
"... the brain center for threat.... This makes it hard for people to dial down their emotions and think before they act.


In my anecdotal experience, anger and fear are far more common in Trump's opponents than in his supporters.

Rob said...

Professor Friedman writes, "Mr. Trump has managed to convince his supporters that America is the victim and that we face an existential threat from imagined dangers . . . ." Gosh, reading the NYT and the tweets of academics and reporters, I'd say they're doing their best to convince readers that we face an existential threat from Trump. Does that trigger the same brain chemistry the professor so tediously chronicles?

And is it all indelible in the hippocampus? (I admit, I can't see that phrase without hearing it in the voice of the Kingfish.)

n.n said...

And yet it's the left that has been on a non-stop anger/hate fest for the last two years.

Since candidate Trump's conception, reaching peak violence at President Trump's birth ("inauguration"), and evolutionary (i.e. chaotic) violence here, there, everywhere, thereafter.

JPS said...

"If you still have any doubt about the power of political speech to foment physical violence, consider the classic experiment by the Yale psychologist Stanley Milgram, who in the early 1960s studied the willingness of a group of men to obey an authority figure."

You mean this classic experiment, Professor Friedman?

https://tinyurl.com/ybn9wb23

"[T]he results have been held up as proof of the depths of ordinary people’s depravity in service to an authority figure. At the time, this had deep and resonant connections to the Holocaust and Nazi Germany – so resonant, in fact, that they might have led Milgram to dramatically misrepresent his hallmark findings."

"And while Milgram may have not measured obedience to authority in his lab his findings do offer us a powerful lesson: to question the authority of science and to be more critical of the stories we’ve been told."

(Guest Blogger Gina Perry is obviously a Science Denier.)

Anyway, Friedman's right. It's amazing how atavistic and emotion-ruled the other side is, unlike the coolly rational folks our side comprises.

Qwinn said...

"Still not tired of all the winning." is not the sort of thing frightened and angry people express all that often.

The rage and fear of those who hear it and who hate the fact that we're winning, on the other hand, is palpable.

Bay Area Guy said...

"[P]oliticians like Mr. Trump who stoke anger and fear in their supporters"

How come these overly educated brainiacs are so fucking stupid? Trump doesn't stoke anger and fear in his supporters -- he stokes anger and fear in his opponents!

Don't be a Neuro-science denier!

Jess said...

His article is rubbish. If he wanted accuracy, he' point out the incendiary actions of the last administration, and of the Democratic Party today. Instead, he uses Donald Trump to promote his own dislike of the President.

I'm thinking his peers might be laughing at his article. It speaks much about the author, and
volumes about his professional integrity.

Jimmy said...

The Democrats, as a political party, have willingly embraced hate, violence, and destruction as their tactic to take power. They have tried, to nullify elections, smear and destroy Republicans, and supported violence as a solution. They aren't interested in elections, they are interested and obsessed with power. By any means. What is amusing is all of the hollywood types, the Democrat leaders, actually think that when the violence comes, they will somehow avoid it. The reality is that what they promote will come back to them, in spades. The men and women who protect them, with guns, are usually ex military and ex police, who have pledged to defend this country and the Constitution.
I think most of the leaders of the Democrat Party are in for a terrible wake up call, if what they are pushing for actually happens.

Achilles said...

The leftists have participated in non stop violence the last 3 years.

Pure projection on this "doctors" part.

YoungHegelian said...

There is a quite a history on the Left of psychoanalytic analyses of "mass" political phenomena. Remember, this is what the extended Frankfurt school (extended because I'm adding in folks like Wilhelm Reich)thought Nazism/Fascism was all about. Hell, it's basically what Arendt thinks is the origin of totalitarianism is in her book of the same name.

And the end result? Lets just say that these analyses haven't aged well in the sight of modern scholars of Fascism/Nazism.

Fernandinande said...

Psychiatry professors like Richard A. Friedman who stoke anger and fear in their readers provoke a surge of stress hormones when they write for outfits like the NYT which consistently produce fake disgusting news to convince their readers that America is the victim of Trump and his deplorables and that we face an existential threat from imagined dangers like white supremacy and fascism.

I kan haz NYT scribler job now?

Night Owl said...

Fear is, indeed, persuasive, and the left makes it much easier for Trump to stoke anger and fear with their lawless sanctuary city stance, calls to abolish ICE, BLM attacks on the police, Antifa riots, calls for incivility and for "blood running in the streets" if Dems lose, to name but a few.

But, as others have mentioned, the Trump-hating media also tries to stoke fear and anger. Everyday it's rage rage rage, fear fear fear. Unfortunately for them, normal people get tired of "the sky is falling" routine when the economy is good and more people are working now than maybe ever, rocket man has been defused, and "literally Hitler" is calling for the death penalty for the guy who shot up the synagogue.

Fernandinande said...

insane dumpster wombat

I saw them open for the Stone Poneys.

Kathryn51 said...

Now, do a similar analysis on the fear mongering by Democrats with their "pushing wheelchair-bound Grandma over the cliff" ads. Cuts to Social Security!! Cuts to Medicare. Fear the Republicans. Fear Trump.

When I see the media do that analysis as well, I'll take notice.

rcocean said...

5,000 psychiatrists declared Goldwater "Nuts" in 1964.

Hate Speech + Left-wing psychology study = NYT bullshit article.

Shorter NYT: Our liberal concerns are valid. Your conservative concerns are "hate-speech" and fear-mongering. Even "science" says so.

rcocean said...

Shooting Republican congressmen, antifa, attacks on trump supporters, Democrat violence: Cause? Trump.

Pipe bombs and violence against Democrats: Cause? Trump.

rhhardin said...

The bemusement vote will put the republicans on top.

Leland said...

So when someone like President Trump dehumanizes his adversaries, he could be putting them beyond the reach of empathy, stripping them of moral protection and making it easier to harm them.

I believe it was Hillary that called us a "basket of deplorables" in order to dehumanize us, us being the millions of Americans not willing to elect her to office.

Most recently, for us white males; it was Don Lemon calling white males terrorist with a hint that we might need to be banned.

So, I don't buy Dr. Fiske initial premise. When I see Trump adversaries calling him Hitler, and his supporters Nazi's; I don't see Trump managing to convince his supporters that America is the victim.

Fernandinande said...

the classic experiment[s] by the Yale psychologist Stanley Milgram

The experiments wherein nobody got shocked and nobody was hurt?

Shocking!

Mike Sylwester said...

Donald Trump colluded with Vladimir Putin to steal the 2016 Presidential election.

Putin spent tens of thousands of dollars on Facebook ads.

How does that affect people's brains?

J. Farmer said...

The more relevant question, from my perspective, is do people have something to be fearful of and angry about?

I do not share Michael Moore's politics, but his best work by far was the 1997 documentary The Big One, which documented his book tour for Downsize This!. The seeds of Trumpism are clearly identified in that film. All Trump did was germinate them.

Yancey Ward said...

I agree with the article's scientists- Trump has instilled fear and anger into the Left like no other Republican in my lifetime.

As a scientist, it embarrasses me to be called one when I read dumbshits like this.

Francisco D said...

Medical training is very important, but it does not qualify one to understand and investigate theories of brain function.

Friedman is an obvious partisan which disqualifies him from his pretense as a scientist.

Let's move on to something worth talking about.

Fernandinande said...

The evidence indicates that Trump colluded with Putin to steal people's brains, but if someone told me to become an electrical mass murderer, I guess I'd do it.

rcocean said...

When Democrats/Liberals say Trump is traitor and Putin helped him win in 2016, are they crazy or liars?

That's what is so amazing about the Democrats. I mean the Pussy hat crazies. They constantly throw out the most illogical, inconsistent, double-think lies.

Are they truly bat-shit crazy, or just dishonest?

Achilles said...

J. Farmer said...

The seeds of Trumpism are clearly identified in that film. All Trump did was germinate them.

Those seeds were planted in 2012 during the Republican Primary.

The flowers that dropped those seeds started growing in 1988 when GHWB took Reagan's party and put it in service to open borders crony trade neocon globalists.

Anyone watching the 2012 republican primary knew something was wrong. Jeb and Rubio were the obvious goto choice for the globalists and it showed.

Thank god Mitt Romney lost to Obama in 2012. We would have cap and trade and amnesty by now if he had won.

Yancey Ward said...

Not tired yet of the winning, or the whining.

rcocean said...

MSM Liberals: Trump is a racist, Nazi, fascist, who's sold out to Russia.

Trump: You lie.

MSM Liberals. Stop Dehumanizing Us!

Yancey Ward said...

If the Republicans do hold the House and the Senate next week, what do you suppose the reaction of the Left is going to be? If the Republicans lose both, what do you suppose the reaction of the Right will be? Open question to both sides.

Bay Area Guy said...

Democrat political/media algorithm:

1. When Republican says something bad: Trump's supporters are inciting violence!
2. When Republican does something bad: Trump's supporters are committing violence!
3. When Democrat says something bad: Well, what about Trump!!??!
4. When Democrat does something bad: Well, it's in response to Trump's violence!

rhhardin said...

I turn Rush off very often owing to him being boring; sometimes to listen to Scott Adams's podcast instead. The Rush anger and fear isn't working.

The computer continues to record Rush to keep the recording streak going; it's able to play one thing and record another, having advanced ganglia. Someday in the future they'll reconstruct a real audio player and be able to become angry listening to Rush.

JPS said...

Yancey Ward,

"If the Republicans do hold the House and the Senate next week, what do you suppose the reaction of the Left is going to be?"

More talk about fascism and/or hacking. Much more anger, at Trump and at the rest of us.

"If the Republicans lose both, what do you suppose the reaction of the Right will be?"

Anger. Redoubled loyalty to the president, insistence that Congress is trying to bring down the president because he's a threat to their power. Lots of accusations against the leaders among Trump's congressional foes, some of which will be true. If he goes down, his inquisitors go down too. Meantime lots of rallying the troops and fundraising based off the threats to impeach. See 1998 in partisan mirror-image.

Oh, and Trump runs against Congress and wins reelection handily in 2020.

Lewis Wetzel said...

In fact women do not respond to violence in the same way, or to commands from authority figures as do men.
Weinstein to actress: "Drop your pants."
Actress: "Okay."

gerry said...
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eric said...

This is just the beginning salvos in the war to do away with first amendment protections of speech they don't like, otherwise known as "hate speech".

It's science! Speech we don't like turns into violent actions, it must be banned!

tcrosse said...

Back in the day, there were shrinks who wrote similar articles in Learned Journals about LBJ. Then about Nixon.

bagoh20 said...

What is this bullshit about Trump using fear? I've been hearing non-stop about the end of the world, the rise of the oceans, nuclear war, the return of the SS, and the rise of zombie Hitler for two years now.

The left is the all fear channel. They roll out a new impending disaster every single day, and nothing ever happens. Someone should make a list of all the disasters we have been warned about daily in the media as virtually everything got better. MSNBC is pearl clutch central.

PM said...

Stoking the most anger and fear daily are the NYT, the NYer, WashPo, CNN, MSNBC and the rest of them. It's relentless and unprecendented and I was around for Nixon. The insistence that the pipe 'bombs' were not aimed at prominent Democrats but at "Trump critics" is a perfect example. Trump critics, hell, that's half the GD country.

Qwinn said...

rcocean: "Are they truly bat-shit crazy, or just dishonest?"

Embrace the healing power of "and".

Anonymous said...

Lucid-Ideas: The amount of projection these people display is off the charts...like-nothing-I've-ever-seen-before off the charts...

The hostility people like Dr. Friedman feel toward the Deplorable Other didn't arise with Trump's election. It's just that heretofore they could exercise some self-control because they were not only getting their way, but had come to believe that their Way was inevitable, the arc of history blah blah blah and all that, and the Others were headed for the ash heap. But the inevitable isn't and the Other isn't going anywhere. And not only here.

Now that fear has been added to hate, their amygdalae and insulae must be on fire. MRIs would be interesting.

But yeah, the lack of self-insight and projection really is jaw-dropping.

ALP said...

What a stunning lack of imagination. There are so MANY ways we can hate each other - politics is just one level. Good lord.

Henry said...

Welcome Back Kotter covered this 40 years ago in the episode: The Great Debate.

Are Human Being Naturally Aggressive?

"in your socks with a pound of lox!"

Bill Harshaw said...

". If we are afraid of violence and become more vigilant, we're all very unlikely to commit acts of violence. But it becomes part of what determines our vote, and the most likely outcome is that we will just vote for someone like Trump who seems willing and able to protect us from violence."

Contrariwise--the more you look for trouble, the more trouble you find.

As for Trump being able...

Robert Cook said...

"And yet it's the left that has been on a non-stop anger/hate fest for the last two years."

One more way in which they're mirroring the right. (The right never stops being angry.)

Robert Cook said...

"Trump 'stokes anger and fear' and 'stress hormones' in YOU, you insane dumpster wombat...YOU."

You just provided a good example of the writer's thesis.

Kevin said...

Fish food.

Must have been saving this for a low-Tweet day by Trump.

Kevin said...

Can you imagine how much crap like this they’d have to run if Trump stopped tweeting?

Henry said...

I get a laugh from the headline. Who needs Trump when the anger and rage are everywhere these days?

Robert Cook said...

"'Still not tired of all the winning' is not the sort of thing frightened and angry people express all that often."

Sure it is. It's a self-reassuring mantra repeated to convince themselves it's true.

Lucid-Ideas said...

Samurai Buzzard, But yeah, the lack of self-insight and projection really is jaw-dropping.

See Non-Player Character (NPC). This is why this was so effective, if childish. I believe that there's still a shred of self-insight and self-reflection in there somewhere, but it is quite atrophied. They know this. They see it every time they look in the mirror. Looking in the mirror they realize and know they have no agency. And they hate themselves. But hating themselves produces nothing. There is no catharsis.

"....And thus perforce universal wolf must have universal prey, and thus devour itself." - Troilus and Cressida, William Shakespeare.

Robert Cook said...

"Donald Trump colluded with Vladimir Putin to steal the 2016 Presidential election.

"Putin spent tens of thousands of dollars on Facebook ads.

"How does that affect people's brains?"


It's also self-comforting and self-reassuring bullshit repeated by those who want to convince themselves it's true.

In short, people are alike all over.

Henry said...

The right seems pretty angry to me.

But so does the left.

The angry right says, of course we're angry, that's why we voted for Trump.

If the right was already angry, who does Trump actually make angry?

donald said...

Trump stokes immense amounts of glee now that I’ve caught on.

Bestest. President. Evah.

Ok, Evah on my lifetime.

Roughcoat said...

I can't wait until the distant future comes and the people living there laugh and talk about the rampant idiocy of these times.

Seeing Red said...

One more way in which they're mirroring the right. (The right never stops being angry.)


Projection. Not tired of winning yet.

Nonapod said...
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FIDO said...

Translation: I want to use SCIENCE! to rationalize my irrational overreactions.

Anonymous said...

Here's one of the more interesting comments at the link:

Missing: women, 51%, are missing from this analysis and from the famous Stanley Milgram experiment reported. In fact women do not respond to violence in the same way, or to commands from authority figures as do men.

Women are not mass murderers in general and do not respond well to Trump. When speaking of violence generalizations like “Humans are social creatures...influenced by violence and rage” women are ignored.


But is it "interesting"? The implication here is that women are less obedient to authority, don't respond to "authority" in irrational and destructive ways. I don't think there's a shred of evidence to support that view.

Also, the inevitable question-begging assertion: "women...do not respond well to Trump". Putting aside that significant numbers of women do respond well to Trump, the assumption here is that why women do or do not respond well to Trump has something to do with "responding to authority" and the issue of "violence and rage", and and not any of a mass of other factors.

I could go on. This guy's comment is a lot more sloppy and confused than interesting.

Btw, every time I take a look at NYT commenters, they seem to be dumber and crazier than the time before.

Nonapod said...

Being angry isn't always a bad or destructive thing. It's what you do with that anger that's significant.

It's interesting that depsite the fact that things are evidently going pretty well in this country by most objective measures, people are (apparently) very angry. We live in a time and place of almost embarrassing plenty. Unemployment is low, we're pretty safe, there's less violence generally. And yet according to certain people we have never been more divided, we are at each others throats, and rage is at an all time high.

Sebastian said...

"President Trump has relentlessly demonized his political opponents as evil."

So his very premise is BS.

Big Mike said...

The anger is already there. Trump channels that anger.

Bill Peschel said...

Ironically, I just read this post from TownHall in which Ocasio-Cortez sounds perfectly calm and reasonable:

"Six days from now, we can defeat the brutal white supremacist forces of anti-Semitism, anti-immigrant nativism, and racism," Ocasio-Cortez starts the email. "We can hold accountable the cold-hearted monsters who have repeatedly attacked our health care. We can send a message to the bigots and billionaires that this country belongs to all of us. We can win if we show up on November 6. We must end Republican control of Congress and begin to reclaim our nation."

Nope. No unhinged anger here.

Jaq said...

Democrats always accuse Republicans of what they themselves are doing. One only need look at the Trump derangement over North Korea, NAFTA, Pussy hats, etc, etc, etc to see which side is keeping the fear and anxiety cranked in their own followers.

Roger Sweeny said...

I hate the way Trump dehumanizes people. When he called half the opposition "deplorables," I knew I couldn't vote for him.

Jaq said...

It's not a matter of fear on illegal aliens coming to displace low wage, low skill, and yes, I will say it, low motivation Americans. But you know what? Low motivation Americans are still Americans and we still have to make them part of America. It's a matter of common sense. The emotions on the right come from being called racists and worse, if there is anything worse, for pointing out some common sense things.

Bilwick said...

Ocasio-Cortez (or "Occasional Cortex" as she's known to readers of the Instapundit blog) is the gift that keeps on giving, isn't she? Critics of socialism (most notably, I guess, Hayek) have pointed out that no individual, or even committee or board, has all the knowledge needed to run a planned economy. But when I hear Crazy Eye Alex talk, I think: Why worry? A President Fauxcahontas could appoint her Secretary of the Treasury, and she in turn could name Inga, Trumpit and Pee Pee as her economic czars. With that kind of Brain Trust at the helm, what could go wrong?

narciso said...

oh she's three scoops of crazy,

Jaq said...

Apparently the guys writing the Bill Nelson ads in Florida are privy to what caused the red tide on the east coast. Scientist don't know, but Nelson knows it was Republicans.

Shall we go through a list of "The world is ending!" quotes on global warming?

Jaq said...

oh she's three scoops of crazy,

Trump only allows one scoop! And of course two scoops for himself.

Achilles said...

Democrat Facebook Ad right now:

“ATTENTION HUNTERS: If you vote in North Dakota, you may forfeit hunting licenses you have in other states. If you want to keep your out-of-state hunting licenses, you may not want to vote in North Dakota,”

Democrats act like complete pieces of shit. They are violent and nasty.

They will ruin your life if you disagree with them politically.

They want to take away our rights of self defense.

Then wonder why people are mad at them.

Oh and this close to the election McSally is magically opening up a lead in Arizona.

Shocking.

JPS said...

Nonapod, 1:53:

"It's interesting that despite the fact that things are evidently going pretty well in this country by most objective measures, people are (apparently) very angry."

See also Eiland's Law of Compensatory Misery:

“As human society gradually solves the problems of basic survival and reduces the amount of other miseries rooted in the reality of the human condition, the fringe elements of that society feel an increasingly strong compulsion to become obsessively angry about ever more trivial causes to recapture the sense that life is a painful struggle.”

exhelodrvr1 said...

"President Trump dehumanizes his adversaries,"

You mean by calling them bitter clingers, and deplorables?

Bilwick said...

And of course more statist politicians like Red Diaper Barry or Queen Cacklepants NEVER produce negative effects among the electorate.

Qwinn said...

Cook: "The Right never stops being angry."

The Right is never given a respite from having to oppose the Left in doing everything it can to undermine every institution of Western Civilization while incessantly getting every sin of the Left projected onto them. It gets fucking old, man.

Ray - SoCal said...

Conservative Talk Radio - yes, for a long time.
Breitbart - yes
Jeb and the rest of the bush family - no
Most gop - only after they got pushed to a corner.
Working class - feel ignored by elites and taken advantage of. Very angry.
eGOP - except against Trump, being angry is seen as deplorable.

>The right never stops being angry.

Achilles said...

BOMBSHELL! This is the beginning of the end for Trump!

Achilles said...

Robert Cook said...

(The right never stops being angry.)

We have watched socialists kill over a hundred million people over the last century.

The flood of violence from democrats over the last 3 years is not really an out lier.

But yeah the right never stops being angry...

gahrie said...

The Democrats and the Left have been "stoking fear and anger" in their supporters literally for decades.

Trump beats them at their own game, and now suddenly it's a problem.

Jim at said...

You know, if all these people screaming about fear and anger would've actually moved to Canada like they promised ....

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Rusty said...

Anger? Fear? Stress?
I don't know, but when I see the market I'm happy. Same with the direction the country is going in. Not angry at all. Not even with progs.

Phil 314 said...

Someone should tell Bernie Sanders to stop with the hate speech.

I Callahan said...

Sure it is. It's a self-reassuring mantra repeated to convince themselves it's true.

Because it is true, RC. Because you don’t feel the same way doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

Wince said...

Hasn't Trump actually assuaged the simmering anger of his supporters with all his winning?

It's Trump's opponents that are the angry ones now.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

CNN and Hillary Clinton = fear and loathing

Bilwick said...

Ccomrade Cookie writes:
"The right never stops being angry."

Want those of us in the pro-freedom camp to stop being angry? Then leave us the hell alone and let us live in peace and freedom. It's not that complicated.

Caligula said...

" it becomes part of what determines our vote, and the most likely outcome is that we will just vote for someone like Trump who seems willing and able to protect us from violence."

Democracy sux, doesn't it? Because voters keep making bad, bad choices (hint-hint: Trump)!

Surely it would be better to be ruled by philosopher-kings. Or at least a benevolent despot (as philosopher-kings can be really hard to find).

And then just hope they remain benevolent. But they don't, do they?

Oh, well, perhaps we should put our trust in a psychiatrist-king? Ahh, that the ticket! What could possibly go wrong with a wise, benevolent, psychiatrist-king, one who just wants what's best for all of us (and will make damn sure we all get it)?

O Brave New World that has such people in it!


BUMBLE BEE said...

Tens of thousands of illiterate strangers from totally different cultures coming into the 21st
century America are gonna do what for a living? We got a pretty good idea what MS13 is gonna work at. These cretinous "professors" ever get out of their gated communities with their wifi security cams and all? We've got more than enough problems to work out without open borders bullshit adding to it all. These self righteous fucks don't pay the price in the streets do they? Leftists live for theory, not reality. Lower and middle class folks pay for the librul folly.

Tank said...

One word. Projection.

Paul Zrimsek said...

One test subject dehumanized drug addicts and the homeless to such an extent that he called them "a basket of deplorables".

caplight45 said...

The Progressives have managed to convince their followers that President Trump is an existential threat.

Kevin said...
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mockturtle said...

Many, of not most, women seem to respond to Trump with hysteria and rage. That doesn't count?

Frankly, the NYT stokes rage in me every time I read one of its puerile articles.

Kevin said...

Appeal to science = more civility bullshit.

When the data doesn’t support the leftist agenda, it’s deemed racist or sexist and rejected.

Francisco D said...

Cookie,

I am not angry, but I was during that travesty of justice called the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings.

I was angry at the totalitarian instincts of your fellow travelers. Now I am somewhat scared of the totalitarians winning some of the midterms and it gets the norepinephrine going. Maybe that's why you think we are angry.

The vast majority of angry people that I know are leftists. They seem to think their attempt at usurping power is fading.

Ingachuck'stoothlessARM said...

they used 'science' to turn Rose Kennedy into a life-long Democrat

Gahrie said...

The Progressives have managed to convince their followers that President Trump is an existential threat.

So was Romney. And Dole. And McCain (but only while running for president). And both Bushes. And Reagan. And Nixon. Frankly every Republican going back to Goldwater has been. They didn't handle Lincoln's election very well either.

ccscientist said...

Every politician tries to convince you that there is a threat that only he can save you from, whether it is lack of health care, Republicans, caravans, lack of jobs, the environment, whatever.
Democrats used to be in favor of secure borders. It is funny that only the dims seem to see the border issue as a race issue. Do they not see that it applies to all races who want to come here? Do they truly believe that no criminals or drug dealers want to cross our borders? If they seriously want open borders then Trump is right to keep ragging on the issue, because that is looney toons.

hstad said...

Another worthless NY Times missive and hack job. Geez, AA do you get paid by the pound on this NY Times articles?

clint said...

Re: Milgram experiment...

The interesting commenter is factually mistaken.

Experiment 8 of Milgram's experiments used all female test subjects. There was no significant difference in their compliance levels -- though they were better at communicating their discomfort as they continued to press the button.

Friendo said...

BUMBLEBEE @4:11: Right on.

narciso said...

revisiting old grounds:

https://securitystudies.org/khashoggi-case-analysis-of-an-information-operation/undefined

I would say it's as much Qatari and Iranian influence,

J. Farmer said...

@Narciso:

The comparison to Meng Hongwei is a little misleading, though. For one, Hongwei was a Chinese politician, and the US considers China a rival and adversary. That is not the same as Saudi Arabia, which is a US client state and highly dependent on US backing and support. Hongwei disappeared in China, while Khashoggi disappeared in Turkey, a US ally. Khashoggi had also been living in the US and writing for a US publication. In addition, he had a high degree of visibility in the Arab world and had a large social media operation.

FIDO said...

He is citing MILGRAM? Are you kidding me?

Didn't Discover debunk the fact that Milgram does not say what the press says it means?

The statistical story of the obedience experiments is not nearly as straightforward as you’d think. The 65% headline figure, of people who followed the experimenters’ orders and went to the maximum voltage on the shock machine, implies that there was a single experiment. In fact there were 24 different variations, or mini dramas, each with a different script, actors and experimental set up.
It’s surprising how often Milgram’s 24 different variations are wrongly conflated into this single statistic. The 65% result was made famous because it was the first variation that Milgram reported in his first journal article, yet few noted that it was an experiment that involved just 40 subjects.

By examining records of the experiment held at Yale, I found that in over half of the 24 variations, 60% of people disobeyed the instructions of the authority and refused to continue.

Then there are the methodological problems with the experiment. The highly controlled laboratory study that Milgram described actually involved a large degree of improvisation and variation not just between conditions but from one subject to another. You’d expect this to happen in the pilot phase of a study when the protocol is still being refined, but not once a study has begun.



This is of a piece. About every two to six years, a bunch of psychologists 'prove' that Republicans are awful, icky, no good, badthink people...which is then thrown out after their methodology is reviewed...after the election.


Did I mention that the Academy is full of frauds, liars and partisans? More than 50% of psychology papers cannot be reproduced.

John Pickering said...

Here are Ann's fears, in less than a handful of dust:

we will just vote for someone like Trump who seems willing and able to protect us from violence.

Good grief it must be lonely and desperate feeling up there in or near Madison, cowering before the caravan, the roving gangs, and the fear of opening the door. Ann is persuaded to be terrified of these invaders? Is she serious? That she and white non-elite are terrified, shows how far they have fallen morally, even though their children can still benefit from all the advantages. The non-elite whites have wimped out.

wildswan said...

Changes such as those proposed by Trump have resulted in including the forgotten men and women in prosperity, and so it was rational to vote for Trump and it is rational to support him. But this issue - it is possible to restructure the economy so as to benefit those ignored or damaged by globalism - is never addressed by those who portray Trump's supporters as irrational. On election night 2016 the reporters analyzing Trump's emerging victory managed to grasp that globalism had pushed many out of prosperity and that Trump was promising to redress the imbalance. But then - and always since then - they analyzed the whole as an attack on the elites, as an emotional response from the "unwashed". A "punch in the face", a "grenade rolled into the room". Never, never did even one of them ask whether it was true that the economy could be altered so that those left out of prosperity by globalization could be included in it. But this is the central issue. The majority of people in this country have a high school education or less including the vast majority of blacks, Latinos and women. An economy that has nothing for this vast majority is wrong. By working to rebuild an economy that has jobs for the majority, Trump is being compassionate and his supporters are being rational. The elite which has disregarded its plain duty to work for an economy that benefits all, may be feeling a tingling in the amygdala and a burn in the hippocampus. I am not. I'm tired of the elite whining in long words about Trump winning but I'm not tired of winning with Trump.

Josephbleau said...

"Missing: women, 51%, are missing from this analysis and from the famous Stanley Milgram experiment reported. In fact women do not respond to violence in the same way, or to commands from authority figures as do men.

Women are not mass murderers in general and do not respond well to Trump. When speaking of violence generalizations like “Humans are social creatures...influenced by violence and rage” women are ignored."

This claims that women are different than men in response to stimuli. How can that be? "WE KNOW" that there is absolutely no biological or hormonal difference between boys and girls. This patriarchy shit is heap big medicine. Very powerful. Changes a lot of peoples brains all by itself. Social Science is a priori true, evidence is not needed nor welcome.

Temujin said...

Obama never dealt in manipulating anger or fear in people.

Drago said...

Temujin: "Obama never dealt in manipulating anger or fear in people."

Just one reason of so very very many that LLR Chuck considered obama "magnificent".

Guildofcannonballs said...

I believe G.K. ... and C.S. ... would demand anger of/by/from all of us as our God is shat upon by killer pedo rapists whom we meekly hope don't consider us angry for some damn fuck reason.

If I thought any of you non-angry (and so very very proudly non-angry) boomers believed in cold-served dishes of non-angry revenge I could understand, but it seems to me much more likely like me you've determined anger is only for those other guys, the brutes who do violence on our behalf (nightly).

St. Anger by Metallica

No. Title Length
1. "Frantic" 5:50
2. "St. Anger" 7:21
3. "Some Kind of Monster" 8:25
4. "Dirty Window" 5:25
5. "Invisible Kid" 8:30
6. "My World" 5:46
7. "Shoot Me Again" 7:10
8. "Sweet Amber" 5:27
9. "The Unnamed Feeling" 7:08
10. "Purify" 5:14
11. "All Within My Hands" 8:48


Luke Lea said...

Here was my favorite comment:

"B
Brenda
Morris Plains2h ago
I kept looking for any concern about the left’s repeated accusations that conservatives are “fascists”; nothing. Or concern about the rhetoric, published in this paper, which accused the police of engaging in “an undeclared war on blackness” – on the very day that 5 Dallas cops paid with their lives for that rhetoric. Where in your piece is the concern over “what do we want? DEAD COPS!! When do we went it? NOW!!” of “Pigs in the blanket; fry ‘em like bacon”. Where is the worry about Antifa? Or about the kind of rhetoric which would motivate a Sanders’s supporter to attempt mass murder of Republican Congressmen?

Nothing. Not a word.

During the Kavanaugh hearings, where were the shouting, shrieking, violent right-wingers supporting his nomination? Where are conservative actors averring that if DT isn’t supported, revolution will ensue and there will be “blood in the streets”? Where are conservative congressmen urging TEA Party members to “get in the faces” of elected representatives, or harass them in restaurants? Where are the prominent conservatives asserting that it’s impossible to be civil with political adversaries?

When Islamist terrorists murder innocents, the left’s excuses the ideology and obsesses about the guns they used.

It would be a lot easier to take leftists seriously if they were serious."

SGT Ted said...

Oh look, circular logic and leftwing political assertions by cloaking it in a veneer of Lysenkoist science.

stlcdr said...

What Luke Lea quoted; this should be repeated. As has already noted, these people are projecting their own hatred. Ironically, I find that frustrating, and because so many people believe that tripe, quite fearful.

Jeff Brokaw said...

Articles like this are a excellent reason to shed the NYT - and really, much of the MSM - from one’s life.

The ratio of general leftist bullshit and intellectual elitist garbage to useful, factual information is far too high. At some point you’re just filling your head with useless toxic garbage that, instead of contributing to your life actually subtracts from it, and wastes valuable time you could spend doing literally anything else.

funsize said...

All these Important People telling me I should feel all these emotions! It would be so easy to follow blindly along and indulge, I can see why so many do. I choose to experience my own emotional response based on my perception, and wouldn't you know it? I don't feel terribly angry or afraid.