November 14, 2018

If it's true that "Trump's Talk of Caravan 'Invasion' Disappears After Midterms"....

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... which is what I'm seeing on MSNBC right now, then the question is not merely why did Trump stop talking about it, but why does MSNBC want to bring it up? I think the answer to both questions is easy, and the answer to the second question is valuable even if it turns out that Trump hasn't stopped talking about the "Caravan 'Invasion.'" MSNBC wants a daily influx raw material that can be manufactured into the proposition that Trump is a racist whose power comes from racists wanting more racism. Trump's talk of the "Caravan 'Invasion'" worked as that raw material for MSNBC and now Trump's lack of talk works to the same end.

As I said 2 days ago:
It reminds me of a little game I used to play with my sons when they were adolescents called What if you had to argue? It challenged you to argue for a proposition that isn't true and doesn't even make sense. The game showed again and again — and comically — that you can state arguments for anything. I feel as though the press is playing a game of What if you had to argue? and the proposition is always The last thing Trump did is outrageous. But it's not a known and understood comical exercise. It's the only press we have.
So the proposition is Trump is a racist whose power comes from racists wanting more racism. MSNBC looks at what new material is available. When the material was that Trump was talking about the "Caravan 'Invasion,'" and MSNBC used that to argue for the proposition. But when the material is that Trump hasn't talked about the "Caravan 'Invasion'" in the last few days, MSNBC will use that material to argue for the proposition. If Trump now talks about the "Caravan 'Invasion,'" MSNBC will continue to play What if you had to argue? and the talk, like the previous silence, will show that Trump is a racist whose power comes from racists wanting more racism.

50 comments:

gilbar said...

what if you had to argue;
that interpreting the 1st amendment to mean that granting 'bona fide' journalists access to their 5th amendment 'property' rights DID NOT imply that those given the title of 'bona fide' journalist were actually given a Title of Nobility ?

Matthew Sablan said...

I assumed it was off the front page because it was redirected to a California crossing and that really undermines that these people want asylum and makes the caravan leaders appear craven to risk people's lives on a more dangerous journey. Or maybe there's just nothing to talk about now until they get here.

rehajm said...

Ooooooooo!!! That's a bingo!

(Ya just say bingo)

surfed said...

Why would you ever allow MSNBC in your home? A position falsely argued for sake of argument - or comedy - only acrues more argument. Life is to short...

rehajm said...

Too much money chasing too few good political memes.

roesch/voltaire said...

It’s a thousand miles and one election away so Trump news hardly brings it up, on to something else.

traditionalguy said...
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traditionalguy said...

Or you can say that the Nationalist wants a boundary. But the Globalist wants no boundary so that all people of the Globe can invade anywhere on the Globe under UN Governance protection.

Since racism is now deemed a crime by the Propaganda Industrial Complex , it accuses Nationalists of being guilty of it and demands they be reeducated as Globalists or die in Camps as Traitors to World Governance. And have they convinced you yet that the Hoax of Global Warming "Fake Science" says Nationalists are trying to kill you. If not, more reeducation for you.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

A lot of things disappear after the mid-terms.

Fixing voter fraud and the ability of people in Broward County to manufacture whole ballets out of whole cloth should be dealt with long term.

Without any investigation - the Democrat party chorus media say - "You can't prove it!"

Once written, twice... said...

The Althouse Hillbillies like Trump’s racist demonization of those caravan families. Ann likes what they like and she is going to shovel them some more. Now go buy some crap through her Amazon portal.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Trupm's biggest mistake was hiring Sessions and not going after Hillary. No one is above the law.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

Trump’s caravan talk was meant to hold the House for Republicans in the election, and it failed. That’s why MSNBC is bringing it up.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Once Written, always a corruption supporting -

Other nations have strict immigration laws. Are they racist too?
The French do not allow anchor babies. Are they racist too?

Freder Frederson said...

People called me a liar and misinformed (some kind of dupe of the MSM) when I pointed out that Homeland Security's estimate of the Caravan arriving at the border by November 12 was a whopper of a lie.

They are still well over 600 miles away.

iowan2 said...

Fake news. The idea that President Trump isn't talking about it is false. Every time I check in with msdnc they are talking about 2020 or just a half hour ago they were examining ways to get rid of President Trump. I listen until the end of the person they were interviewing book pitch, never heard a reason to remove. chaos was mentioned several times, half a dozen times "people close the White House" were quoted. They talk all day long, and 90% of the content is wish casting. Lately hours on end about Mueller going after Roger Stone. But in all of those reports, NEVER a mention of a crime. I'm starting to form an idea that Mueller is not investigating any crime. Weird.

Anybody got any evidence that President Trump has ever demonstrated any racism, bigotry, or misogyny?

Left Bank of the Charles said...

In scapegoating Nielsen, even Trump is admitting that his strategy on immigration has failed.

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

The left have no ideas other than tax-rape thee masses, freee stuff, and you are all racists.

Once written, twice... said...

Trump could come down super hard on those businesses that hire illegals. But he doesn’t. Why?

Trump real goal is to get all of his hillbilly supporters all frothing at the mouth. With the immigration problem he can do so over and over. Why would he want to solve it? It is his #1 go to issue.

gilbar said...

Freder Frederson said...
People called me a liar and misinformed (some kind of dupe of the MSM) when I pointed out that Homeland Security's estimate of the Caravan arriving at the border by November 12 was a whopper of a lie.

some are in Tijuana right now. That seems closer than 600 miles

AllenS said...

There is a "caravan" of people that right now stretches from our southern border down to the southern most tip of South America heading this way. They have been showing up on a daily basis for years.

Bob Boyd said...

"Why would you ever allow MSNBC in your home?"

People don't watch MSNBC for facts and information. They come for an emotional experience. They feel outrage followed by righteousness and superiority, a feeling of virtue and a sense of approval and belonging. The same reasons people gossip, essentially.

Once written, twice... said...

Trump could attack businesses that exploits this illegal labor and push for laws that criminally sanctions anyone who hires illegal. It is this promise of jobs that incentivizes many that travel here illegally. But Trump does not goes to the source of the problem because he loves the problem, as does Ann. They view these poor immigrants as pawns to be used and exploited.

Robert Payne said...

I think it is interesting. Has Trump brought up the caravan again, but media has not covered it? Did they move troops to the border? Has he been tweeting?

Whether the intent was racist or not, Ann...the Immigration pivot was effective in some ways and an absolute failure in others.

What has been interesting and continues to be interesting to me has been the commentariat's (left and right) obsession over Trump's magical persuasive powers ( see Adams, Scott), since many come from an academic or journalist background and have never been in sales.

I think the real point here is whether Trump has realized that the Caravan "sales pitch" had limited effectiveness and has pivoted onto something else. Trump may be an effective pitchman, but what may be his critical failing is that he has not built an effective sales organization to support him.

Ann, you really are missing the boat when you focus on the racist side of the issue, when the real question is whether Trump can re-calibrate his sales pitch

Otto said...

So Ann do you play that same game with your viewers?
racist -> victimization -> highest moral ground (God is dead).
Does believing in Darwinism and meritocracy make you a racist?

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Will MSDNC play the "who said that?" game?

Dickin'Bimbos@Home said...

Again

Other nations have strict immigration laws. Are they racist too?
The French do not allow anchor babies. Are they racist too?

rightguy said...

Great story from an embedded reporter on Tucker C last night : the "marching caravan" is 90+% young males and gets truck rides, water, and food from a regiment of mysterious handlers in black shirts.

Once written, twice... said...

Ann, you must be so proud that your blog has become just another site where yahoos can trade right wing conspiracy theories of guys “in black shirts.”

Otto said...

There was a big discussion a few blogs back about Ann being a cultural marxist.
Her playing the game with her kids might be a glimse into that question. Here she is really teaching her kids that there is no right or wrong only words. Now that is cultural marxism!

Bob Boyd said...

"Here she is really teaching her kids that there is no right or wrong only words."

She was helping them develop their bullshit detectors.

Otto said...

"She was helping them develop their bullshit detectors." No she was helping them to become bullshitters.

Bob Boyd said...

They only use their powers for good.

Kevin said...

Trump is a racist whose power comes from racists wanting more racism.

2008: Vote for the Dem to prove you're not racist! (Win)
2012: Vote for the Dem to prove you're not racist! (Win)
2016: I'm with Her! (Lose)
2020: Vote for the Dem to prove you're not racist!

rightguy said...

Stick it Once Written :
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/11/caravan-update.php

n.n said...

MSNBC is openly and rabidly diverse. What's next, Jew... White privilege?

Caligula said...

This is only a winning issue for the MSNBC set if the press can pair the text with photos of piteous children. Otherwise, it's difficult to believe that most Americans want our borders open to anyone who chooses to cross them.

Of course, there's no requirement that the photos be related in any way to the event. Surely they could buy the rights to a few of those photos used on charity solicitations?

Inga...Allie Oop said...

In the meantime there are over 5000 troops at the border for nothing (stunt) and who will be away for nothing (stunt) from their families on Thanksgiving.

Marty Keller said...

Inga's comic relief is funnier than Ritmo's . . .

Francisco D said...

In the meantime there are over 5000 troops at the border for nothing (stunt) and who will be away for nothing (stunt) from their families on Thanksgiving.

As a liberal, you have two courses of action, Inga.

1. You can invite the migrants to your house for Thanksgiving or

2. You can entertain the troops with your well known train expertise.

Step up to the plate. It's time you did something besides talk for a change.

Inga...Allie Oop said...

It's time you did something besides talk for a change.

It’s time you stopped talking about your urinary issues.

johnhenry100 said...

black shirts.

11/14/18, 8:19 AM

 Once written, twice... said...

guys “in black shirts.”

Originally tey were Mussolini's Fascist Squadristi.

Now they've rebranded themselves as "progressives"

John Henry

John Pickering said...

Ann, who doesn't do irony, has typed up the her latest insight. It's a good one:

The talk, like the previous silence, will show that Trump is a racist whose power comes from racists wanting more racism.

Exactly. Trump has been a racist all his life, and so are many of his supporters. That's all right with Ann, skulking behind locked doors, terrified of the brown caravan.

Francisco D said...

It’s time you stopped talking about your urinary issues.

I was not talking about my former urinary issues, but you brought it up.

Why are you so obsessed with my penis?

johnhenry100 said...

What race is pdt racist towards?

Central Americans? Not a "race"

Muslims? Not a "race"

Jews? Not a "race"?

John Henry

Howard said...

Well, Ann sometime a cigar is just a cigar. (apologies to Dickin_Bimbos)

Jim at said...

Trump hasn't stopped talking about the caravan because the election's over.

But my local news certainly has.

Wonder why that is.

Jim at said...

People called me a liar and misinformed (some kind of dupe of the MSM) when I pointed out that Homeland Security's estimate of the Caravan arriving at the border by November 12 was a whopper of a lie.

No. People called you a liar because you said they'd be walking ... when pictures showed many of them riding vehicles.

And guess what, Sparky. It's the 14th and they're here.

Howard said...

Finished it for ya
Blogger Jim at said...

Trump hasn't stopped talking about the caravan because the election's over,
he stopped talking about it because it's what lost the House.

n.n said...

Americans: blacks, white, brown, yellow, pink, and orange, from conception to death, first.

Or, simply, diversity-free, hyphen-free, Americans, from conception to death, first.

With a good neighbor policy to promote emigration reform that will mitigate the risk of collateral damage (e.g. Planned Parenthood, refugee crises, displacement, abortion fields, social injustice) from immigration reform at both ends of the bridge and throughout (e.g. trail of tears).

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