Althouse: At the Thanksgiving Café...

November 22, 2018

At the Thanksgiving Café...

... here.

(This is an open thread, so let me show you The Althouse Portal to Amazon.)

65 comments:

Big Mike said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 11/22/18, 4:30 PM
Big Mike said...: A gingerbread turkey. Well, it beats a turkey bar or Starbucks, though not by much. Poor Meade. Poor, poor Meade.; 11/22/18, 4:31 PM
YoungHegelian said...: Hey, Perfessor!

I thought you might be interested in

A Brand New Interview With David Foster Wallace

Happy Turkey Day!; 11/22/18, 4:31 PM
Not an oldster. said...: OK. Imma drop a Benny on Ann's tip jar so they can afford this winter's heating bill in that old house. Nobody should be cold on the holidays.; 11/22/18, 4:33 PM
DavidD said...: I remember this picture. Was it really only last year?; 11/22/18, 4:44 PM
tim maguire said...: I’m finding it harder and harder to avoid buying things on Amazon that come from China. Sometimes the origin is nowhere in the listing and you have to divine it from other signs.; 11/22/18, 4:49 PM
traditionalguy said...: Grandchildren Uber Allen.; 11/22/18, 4:49 PM
n.n said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 11/22/18, 4:49 PM
traditionalguy said...: That’s Uber Alles before auto fill.; 11/22/18, 4:50 PM
Conserve Liberty said...: Turkey is out. Sprouts are in to roast. Potatoes are top-browning.

Not long now. ;); 11/22/18, 4:51 PM
traditionalguy said...: The family has the cover story on Inside the Gate magazine at Reynolds Plantation. I got their auto graphs on it.; 11/22/18, 4:53 PM
n.n said...: Sometimes the origin is nowhere in the listing and you have to divine it from other signs.

Thus the false choice of the market regulating labor and environmental arbitrage, including monopolies and practices born thereof, thereby -- at least one, two reasons -- necessitating government intervention to restore market function for price assessment, fair labor practice, and environmental conservation.; 11/22/18, 4:55 PM
n.n said...: The hand is paler than the cookie. A chromatic legerdemain.; 11/22/18, 4:57 PM
chillblaine said...: Hi Ann, thank you, best always. This recording is about accepting the premise of humor amidst sorrow. From a goofy facebook post, my friend posted that someone jumped off a bridge, right in front of him. So, very serious, but, humor, finding it, means something. It means that you've, we've, started perhaps to start remembering the thing that we are grieving for. Not the loss, but them, they were great, kind of. best fam, from mattie here; 11/22/18, 4:59 PM
chickelit said...: What’s with the Bob Cratich mitts? Consequence of setting the thermostat at 55?; 11/22/18, 5:01 PM
AmPowerBlog said...: @ YoungHegelian...

Thanks for the link to the David Foster Wallace interview. It's excellent.

And Happy Thanksgiving, Althouse!; 11/22/18, 5:15 PM
MadisonMan said...: I miss my kids. They didn't make it home for Thanksgiving this year. House feels pretty empty.; 11/22/18, 5:16 PM
chickelit said...: Thats sad, MadisonMan. I feel for you.

I recall the very first commentthat I made on Althouse over 12 years ago. You were the only person who commented back.; 11/22/18, 5:26 PM
Original Mike said...: I’m pretty sick today but couldn’t skip out on my mother. Only me, my sister and niece this year. Dinner was delicious and brought home lots of leftovers. Going to be a great turkey soup this year.; 11/22/18, 5:29 PM
FullMoon said...: Life is good.
Any of you secure guys wanna do something nice(and easy)?

Pick out a less fortunate friend or neighbor (or two). Call the water/ garbage company and arrange to pay their bill.
Automatic bank withdrawal. Get a little twinge of good feeling every month when the bank notifies you of the payment.

And, don't tell 'em.; 11/22/18, 5:31 PM
rhhardin said...: I've noticed that action flicks today have comical serious moments, where the screenwriters whip out a message about life or sacrifice that's the best they can do under the circumstances, in for form of dialog. Usually the guy who saved the lady explaining things to her sympathetically.

When does the action start again is always the question. Is this a long interlude or a short one.

There aren't even tits involved, usually.; 11/22/18, 5:53 PM
stephen cooper said...: rhardin - I have noticed the same thing. Almost all money-making movies are made by people who would make better movies if they could, but they cannot. Lots of them make a lot of money. But even the really good people in Hollywood almost always lack the God-given ability to express the truths of creation in a way that has not been done before, and that is not their fault.
Kindness to those who are not as talented as they want to be is essential ....

But God is happy with Hollywood because, at least once, in a movie not too different from any other movie, some screenwriter

(some screenwriter who may now be living in his ex-wive's car, the only thing he salvaged from the joint finances after the end of their marriage, or, as the lawyers like to call it, after the divorce proceedings, or who may be long dead from an opioid addiction, and whose grave even now lies under a foot of snow in his Canadian home town cemetery, forgotten and unvisited)

... to start over, at least once, in a movie not too different from any other movie, some screenwriter said something that had never been said before, in all 4,000 years of this world (Bible time) or all 13 billion years of this universe (university physics department time) or, like, ever (my time)

"God loves us the way we are but loves us too much to stay that way." (from "Junebug", a spunky independent film that charmed the critics and launched a career or two, but which nobody every watches anymore).....

Fullmoon - I just give really big tips to working mothers and fathers. Your suggestion is a good one, though, and I will give it some thought.; 11/22/18, 6:06 PM
stephen cooper said...: "God loves us the way we are but loves us too much to let us stay that way"

See, I could not even quote it right

Imagine being the screenwriter who got it so right the first time

Hope the screenwriter did not have a bad divorce or a bad addiction

I don't know, but I hope; 11/22/18, 6:09 PM
narciso said...: because life is meant to be a journey, those who have been saved by his grace, are meant to move on from their old ways, otherwise what evidence of their transformation,; 11/22/18, 6:13 PM
chillblaine said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 11/22/18, 6:21 PM
chillblaine said...: Full Moon, sorry, but you are great, but that pay-it-forward is nonsense. Don't pay for that. Keep a five in your wallet for when you notice someone worse off.

thanks, while I'm here, last psych post in Ann's group for me. the channel will be all psych all the time, new content, psych content, behavioral content, every day, this is the template, thanks, Psych 101 by matt. my sneaky movie review of Rough Night soon, chek if you desire. mb; 11/22/18, 6:22 PM
rehajm said...: I read this before dinner- a big hit!

Your Pumpkin Pie has a Dark Secret- It’s Made From Squash.; 11/22/18, 6:28 PM
Temujin said...: Why are you baking Michigan cookies?; 11/22/18, 6:36 PM
narciso said...: who is an investor in air bnb?

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Class-action-suit-filed-in-Jerusalem-court-against-Airbnb-572624?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter; 11/22/18, 6:45 PM
Original Mike said...: ”Why are you baking Michigan cookies?”

Saginaw Bay is on the wrong side. That’s Michigan as viewed from the center of the Earth.; 11/22/18, 6:59 PM
Big Mike said...: @Meade, hope you enjoyed the cookie. Just finished eating two perfectly roasted turkey drumsticks. Thought of you eating your turkey bar and your Starbucks and your turkey-shaped cookie. You poor fellow.; 11/22/18, 7:21 PM
narciso said...: This was the lesson of the Israelites, yahweh told them they had to go. They spent 40 years in the desert, he told them what they had to so, they avoided the philistines till goliath confronted them; 11/22/18, 7:25 PM
Original Mike said...: Boy, I’d be surprised if Meade couldn’t roast a turkey.; 11/22/18, 7:27 PM
Kevin said...: The latest thing to be declared racist? A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving.

https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/2018/11/22/charlie-brown-thanksgiving-racist-franklin-scene/; 11/22/18, 7:43 PM
Temujin said...: ”Why are you baking Michigan cookies?”

Saginaw Bay is on the wrong side. That’s Michigan as viewed from the center of the Earth.

Of course it is. Why. What view do you have?; 11/22/18, 7:46 PM
FIDO said...: Having reflected on this, I am disquieted at the Althousian characterization of the SMG photo shop. She was 'fearful'. 'Unwilling'. If you liked a woman offering her body in a tantalizing way, you should feel 'shame'.

But here is the point: SMG dressed that way ON PURPOSE. She was acting voluntarily. She sat there for 3 hours doing her hair and make up, pulled on that outfit on her own, made those expressions by her own will. And frankly, there are a lot of alternative reads on what her face actually conveyed.

But Althouse doesn't like lingerie, women offering themselves to men, blatant sexualization like this...because it puts pressure on other women to behave the same way.

She is an old blue stocking.

There is something to be said for the old morality, though Ms. Althouse eschews the obligations and duties of the old morality: vis a vis kids, putting out at the behest of the husband, seeing to his needs. She is a Buffet Victorian Feminist.

But the shittiest thing is that just because there is something she doesn't like, she implies that it is a 'shameful' subset of rape. Something requiring searching your soul. Hmm.

She is allowed her opinion. Too bad so few people agreed. Actually...did anyone?; 11/22/18, 7:58 PM
stevew said...: Happy Thanksgiving. It has been a wonderful day with nearly all my immediate family present. It was very cold outside, low to mid teens, but the food and company were spectacular. I am truly blessed. All the best to you.; 11/22/18, 8:02 PM
tim maguire said...: n.n said...
"Sometimes the origin is nowhere in the listing and you have to divine it from other signs."

Thus the false choice of the market regulating labor and environmental arbitrage,

Capitalism, the hidden hand of the market requires some things to work. Competition, transparency, truth in advertising. None of which can be maintained without government intervention.; 11/22/18, 8:08 PM
FIDO said...: Since we are on the subject of impotent women, this seems odd.

As far as any historical read of a large portion of cultures, women today have it far better than they have ever had it before. I challenge someone to point out a single historical culture where women had anywhere near the rights and privileges that they do today in the Western World.

And yet...and yet...they have turned strongly to Astrology, Witchcraft, Mass Whine-Ins, all indications that they feel helpless and powerless. Powerless women have always gone to potential power outside the 'patriarchy', and embraced strange cults, such as Isis, Ishtar, or one where a funny carpenter rose from the dead after three days...

From what little research I have picked up, women today are MORE depressed, not less. Less happy, not more.

I can't say this is 100% truth, but I would certainly argue it over a beer.; 11/22/18, 8:09 PM
Jupiter said...: FIDO said...

"But the shittiest thing is that just because there is something she doesn't like, she implies that it is a 'shameful' subset of rape."

Dawkins wrote an interesting book, in which he explained that the sexes began, probably multiple times, as a kind of game of chicken. An organism that had developed gene exchange as a fitness adaptation split into two distinct forms. They were genetically quite similar, but one gave up producing more organisms and specialized in producing more genes, and left it to the other one to actually express those genes as an organism. This left the second form holding the bag, as it were. The paths open to it were to reproduce on the other's terms, or not to reproduce at all.

And there the matter remains, sugarcoat it as you will. As any True Femenist will tell you, heterosexual reproduction = sexual exploitation of the female. Woman is the Nigger of the World. Of course, it is worth recalling that the arrangement began with gene exchange. Apparently, even though gene exchange leaves the organism open to sexual exploitation, it is still a better deal, reproductively speaking, than parthenogenesis. There's the rub, "reproductively speaking". Feminists are simply applying different criteria than evolution employs.; 11/22/18, 8:16 PM
traditionalguy said...: Happy Thanksgiving to all and to all a good night.; 11/22/18, 8:46 PM
n.n said...: Capitalism... requires some things to work. Competition, transparency, truth in advertising. None of which can be maintained without government intervention.

I think that's an exaggerated conclusion. Capitalism requires oversight, but not an active visible hand. The premise of the theory is that the "invisible hand" will tolerate and smooth perturbations to mitigate the risk of catastrophic misalignments. The interesting part is that moral actors will self-moderate, and competing interests will prevent others from running amuck, and both are necessary and sufficient under circumstances without monopolies and practices. So, government oversight has both positive and negative influences on the dynamic stability of a capitalist system, and liberty generally.; 11/22/18, 8:51 PM
steve uhr said...: Happy thanksgiving to everyone.; 11/22/18, 9:06 PM
rhhardin said...: I just worked Hawaii. I flipped on the radio and he was there working people left and right and people lining up to work him. Why, I don't know. Hawaii isn't rare.

So what the hell I called and he answered. Whatever the attraction was, I did it. Maybe I'll find out someday. A volcano-top or something.; 11/22/18, 9:17 PM
reader said...: There have been a few “poor Meade” comments. I am sure he is quite capable of taking care of himself if he desires a more traditional dinner. In fact I believe he might have done so in the past.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone in whatever form it comes.; 11/22/18, 9:32 PM
pacwest said...: Cookie again this year?; 11/22/18, 9:56 PM
Original Mike said...: Over the last 24 hours the predicted snow total at Weather Underground for Sunday has been:

5 - 8 in
8 - 12 in
3 - 5 in
1 - 3 in

Lord knows what it will be tomorrow.

Weather forcasting. A great job if you can get it.; 11/22/18, 10:28 PM
William said...: Hollywood is such bullshit. In the movies, when you feed a body into the wood chipper, it mulches it. Not true. In real life the bones and sinews jam up the gears, and you're left with a hell of a mess. I hope everybody had a better Thanksgiving than I did.; 11/22/18, 10:50 PM
Big Mike said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 11/22/18, 10:55 PM
Big Mike said...: @reader, the majority (if not all) the “poor Meade” comments are from me, and I am certain that Meade can take care of himself. Althouse was having fun with us, and I dished some of it right back. Just good-natured fun, and if I offended Althouse by implying she was incapable of looking after her husband, well I was just joking with the two of them.; 11/22/18, 10:58 PM
FIDO said...: And there the matter remains, sugarcoat it as you will. As any True Femenist will tell you, heterosexual reproduction = sexual exploitation of the female.

As an argument, this seems to hold together and I can see why a woman would be resentful, but no more than a woman whose birth shape was 'round' or a man who was born 5'4" tall, or someone who got stuck with a mildly poor roll on the genetic dice.

I would suggest that the entirety of the Western World has been to make women as comfortable as possible in their genetic role, certainly compared to Islam and most polygamous societies.

But their dissatisfaction is expressing itself in self destructive, evolutionarily negative social actions: single kids do worse, and single women have more difficult lives...in general. Maybe not for the Upper Class Educated elites with made up comfy jobs.

I will ignore the irresponsible insinuations Althouse gives to anything she sexual she disapproves of, as she has proven that her Overton 'Window', is, compared to the vast majority of the population, less 'window' and more 'arrow slit'.; 11/22/18, 11:03 PM
Big Mike said...: @William, I was.about to ask who you tried to feed into the wood chipper, it on second thought I will pass.; 11/22/18, 11:05 PM
Guildofcannonballs said...: The idea Athouze toughness is less valix tha. (ztupid in her cSe considering thr IQ) red-herring crazg-shadows is preposterous u vound after long boundedness .ade them nuts.

NUTS !; 11/22/18, 11:14 PM
Guildofcannonballs said...: Y'a!k would hVe missed the greafbubu better if he wasn't paid to Soviet you. He did some.

Not me. Not America.

If yiy wanr to be abused, go to Spain. HE HELPED YOU AFTER ALL. VK THERE. TELK THEM HIW SNART YOUR HERRO BU BU WAS CAUSD SO SMADT. LEARNED. EDUCATEX.; 11/22/18, 11:17 PM
Guildofcannonballs said...: Xr.Kennexe k ew mode tha. 50% (combinex) of His trolls.

God b!ess him sVe abortions.Metoo.; 11/22/18, 11:18 PM
reader said...: Big Mike I apologize. I spent about three hours doing dishes tonight and got a little tetchy.; 11/22/18, 11:32 PM
narciso said...: Is there a codex for that:
https://outline.com/4L2d7n; 11/22/18, 11:50 PM
narciso said...: I tried infinite jest, several times, what I was I missing:; 11/22/18, 11:53 PM
tim maguire said...: Stephen Cooper said...Kindness to those who are not as talented as they want to be is essential ....

Your ppst put me in mind of Amadeus (my favorite movie until my sister bought me the director’s cut. It’s supposed to be some special “insiders” edition, but the truth is those scenes were cut from the final release for a reason...).

Anyway...Amadeus is about Mozart and how he is destroyed by Salieri, the acrchenemy he didn’t even know he had. Salieri desperately wanted to be a great composer, and he achieved great success, but he was a hack. Only two people knew he was a hack—himself and Mozart. The same two people who knew Mozart was the real talent. Even though outwardly Salieri had everything talent could possibly get him while Mozart struggled in poverty, he was driven mad by the knowledge that Mozart actually was the genius he could only dream of being.; 11/23/18, 2:35 AM
tim maguire said...: FIDO said...I would suggest that the entirety of the Western World has been to make women as comfortable as possible in their genetic role, certainly compared to Islam and most polygamous societies.

But their dissatisfaction is expressing itself...”

Unless they’ve done a lot of soul searching and reflection, you can’t make people happy by giving them what they say they want.; 11/23/18, 2:41 AM
FIDO said...: And a big thank you to luna star for livening up the place.; 11/23/18, 5:33 AM
Birches said...: I can't remember now, what color is the shirt? It looks blue, but it isn't, right?; 11/23/18, 7:26 AM
narciso said...: Except it was fake, they had an amicable relationship.; 11/23/18, 7:57 AM
Just asking questions (Jaq) said...: You should learn about white balance. Then you can choose to ignore it in your photos as an artistic choice if you like. The settings the phone comes up with are just some engineer's best guess, not some authoritative view of reality.; 11/23/18, 4:28 PM
stephen cooper said...: tim maguire ... youtube has several great scenes from Amadeus.

My favorite is the one where Salieri is in a room with Mozart's wife (she has visited him to ask for a small loan), and he is handed some manuscripts from Mozart's wife, because she is bringing them somewhere else to be recopied by someone who, in the Vienna of the day, wrote out music scores for the orchestras, But he (Salieri) is curious to see them - and, as soon as Mozart's wife hands them to him, he looks at them, and looks at them for awhile (while in the background the music from the scores he is looking at is played) and after he looks over them for a minute or two, he asks if he can take them with him for a while, and she says, well, no, Wolfie would be frantic if they went missing, you see, they are originals ....

and Salieri says .... These, these are originals ? and almost cries, and Mozart's wife does not recognize his emotions .. He can't believe how anyone could have written down that music without revision (originals meaning - copies without corrections)

Are they not good, she asks, not understanding the pained look on his face

They are miraculous, he replies .....

That was a well-written scene, and the actor who played Salieri, and the actress who played Mozart's wife, were perfect

On the other hand, the actor played Salieri with so much charisma that one has to think that he would have enjoyed life without his random envy .... that is, sinfulness is bad .... life is enjoyable when we avoid sins like envy

as we all should, all being unique in our way.

Philippians 1-2, Ephesians 1-2, Romans 8,; 11/24/18, 5:07 PM