I'll just quote the fifth of the five paragraphs in the linked piece. Was this worth saying? Does it even make sense?
Before opening fire on the Tree of Life congregants, Bowers posted a message to Gab, a right-wing social network that, like other online forums for extremists, casts itself as an embattled bastion of free speech. “Trump is a globalist, not a nationalist,” Bowers complained on the site. “There is no #maga as long as there is a kike infestation.” The gunman’s accusation evoked a riff-cum-vocabulary lesson from Trump’s rally in Houston on Monday. “A globalist is a person that wants the globe to do well, frankly, not caring about our country so much,” the President explained, before asserting, “I’m a nationalist.” The “frankly” in this case—meant to expose the dirty truth about globalists, and to preface Trump’s oath of fealty to tribal politics—reads as far more honest than anything the President said on Saturday. He is frankest at his rallies and on Twitter. There is a difference, of course, between saying what you mean and saying what is true. Trump is not practicing frankness when he deplores hatred. He is being frank when he foments resentments that are phantasmal. For him, falsehoods carry the weight of facts, whereas reality is “truly unimaginable.”You can connect anything to anything if you want, and when it's that hard to do, you must really want it. Did Katy Waldman look back on that paragraph and think, God, am I smart. What a language master I am, unlike Trump who keeps saying "frankly"?
"He is being frank when he foments resentments that are phantasmal" — I can't believe she didn't get out the thesaurus and find a synonym for "resentments" that began with an "f" sound. Let me try... He is being frank when he foments fuckeries that are phantasmal.
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A frank assessment of the functional flim-flam of this over-exposed flunky writing for that fortress of fatuousness, fripperies, and follies, the New Yorker, fatigues and, frankly, frightens me, fragile flower of fortune that I am.A frank fermentation of the functional flim-flam of furious florid flunky Flair flicks...
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Some on the right, half-jokingly will say “Trump, is there nothing he can’t do?”.
To many on the left take that to heart.
This argument about globalist vs nationalist vs HItler is fun for the media outlets, I suppose. When you hate someone, you hate everything about them and you want everyone else to hate them too. That's our free press today. They hate Trump. They hate having Republicans in charge. It colors everything they say and do and they can't see it.
Paul Wellstone, by his funeral's virtue, taught me a lesson about political extremists. Not pretty.
As time goes on, people stop reading such articles. That, and eventually stop reading anything by the author.
While she was in the thesaurus among the F's she fished out "fealty". Frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a fuck.
I go back and forth on whether they believe this "stuff" or if its just sophistry meant to advance the cause. The cause being their own economic well-being at the expense of the working and middle-class Americans who are cast as deplorable because it is a lot more easy on your conscience when disenfranchising people if they are morally inferior.
Everybody practices tribalism to some extent. The author's tribe is upper-class, educated, people who believe what she does. She doesn't see that as a tribe, but they have the same values and interests and they look out for each other. I don't know her background, but it seems like a lot of people in that tribe are related to each other or at least went to the same schools.
Do you want more Trump? This is how you get more Trump.
The Trump that lives under the bed of poor Katy's mind is a phantasm.
Trump hates Jews so much that when his daughter married one, converted to the religion, and bore him Jewish grandchildren, he loved them with all his heart.
The bastard.
The things that Trump is saying, that Globalism enriches the financial interests of Wall Street at the expense of the middle-class, that exporting manufacturing harms the middle-class and weakens the US, that migration should be controlled to prevent the importation of cheap labor, thus depressing wages, were standard talking points of the Democrat party right not that long ago. The Clinton legacy with blacks is increased incarceration, Trump is working on prison reform.
The author uses an excess of words to hide a lack of content.
I've noticed this about the headlines at liberal media sites- New York Times, New Yorker, The Atlantic, New York Magazine, etc. The headlines invariably blame Trump for whatever horrible event happened. They put me off so much, I don't click through, so I'm not sure if they accurately reflect the article they are supposed to represent. It all seems so demented. Also, they come up with stunning speed. There is no way the author had time to reflect on the event, whatever it was, before blaming Trump for it.
The left has rewarded the bomber Bill Ayers and cop killer Kathy Boudin with professor gigs at big Universities to train up the next generation of violent radicals. Obama and Clinton were happy to stand alongside well known jew hater Farrakhan recently.Actions speak louder than words.
A frank assessment of the functional flim-flam of this over-exposed flunky writing for that fortress of fatuousness, fripperies, and follies, the New Yorker, fatigues and, frankly, frightens me, fragile flower of fortune that I am.
The shooter was a retarded white guy. Everything else is MSM entertainment. Blaming Trump is one of the things they do to entertain.
Root problem: what to do about editorial control being given to soap opera women.
Trump caused it plus a million other things.
The Franks were German.
German socialists killed millions of Jews along with millions of non Jews
Therefore president Trump with his overt callout to the Frankd is trying to normalize genocide.
That's what I get out of the article, anyway.
John Henry
Waldman is above Tribalism. Everything she thinks and does is the result of careful analysis using first principles and completely divorced from self-interest.
Before almost literally opening fire on the Tree of Life congregants, Trump posted a message to Twitter, a left-wing social network that, like other online forums for extremists, casts itself as an embattled bastion of safety. "A globalist is a person that, frankly, my dear, doesn't give a damn."
While it may be true that Pittsburgh cannot be linked with Trump, it's hard to get around the expressed approval by the neo Nazis, KKK, nationalists and the like.
Gab ...casts itself as an embattled
Duh I tinks dey rilly is embattled.
Can I haz Nu Yerker riter job now?
"Can you just stop for one day?"
No. The Party must be served. The Narrative must be continued.
approval by the neo Nazis, KKK, nationalists and the like
Nationalists are the same as Nazis and the KKK?
Definitely how you get more Trump.
This is what comes from having a mono-culture in the newsroom. Had there been a decent mix of political views among the writers and editors of The New Yorker, this column never would have been published -- at least not in its present form. When the Bernie Bro shot-up the Congressional Republican baseball team at practice, did MSM publications allow columnists to attribute responsibility for the attack to Bernie Sanders? No, because that would have been irresponsible (and because they would have offended over 90% of the the people in the newsroom). When someone does something bad, and someone writes a column blaming Trump, there's no push back from any of the other writers or editors. All that's heard is cheers.
The horror will be when these blithering idiots find that no one is paying the least bit of attention to them.
There will be another 7 horrible, awful, civilization ending events that will be covered for 24 hours, and when it is found that it has no traction the next one will, surely.
WHAT IS IT WITH THESE DEPLORABLES THAT THEY AREN'T LISTENING TO US???
Also, the most important thing in the wake of any problem is not what the President said or didn't say. When did we get to the point in the US that everything has to be about the president? We don't all live our lives according to the president, politics, or politics. The media could follow suit by not presenting politics-as-news. But I guess that's easy and fulfilling to them.
Hat: Teump can't control who the hell responds positively to his words. Those crazies alone are responsible for their responses of "expressed approval".
You try to pat yourself on the back with the first part of your statement but state your true thoughts with the second part of your statement.
None of this is Trump's fault. But the media is trying mightily to make that be the case.
Screw then.
These progressive writers all support corruption. They don't care if 11 people were shot to death.
What seems like an "obsession" here is the desire to get after Trump with anything and everything that comes up. Can you just stop for one day?
No..they are literally hysterical.
Newt Gingrich is the one who starts practically every response to a question with “frankly”.
@HT
I'm sure you're not a racist or a homophobe or a sexist or a xenophobe or whatever.
But suppose someone with Katy Waldman's skills decided to write an essay to convince everyone you are one or more of those things. How hard would be? Do you think she could find things she could point to as evidence for her claim? Things you had no control over?
Trump is the standard-bearer for angry white christian men. He speaks to their grievances, and gives them hope. Trump is the one who feels their pain, and gives voice to their anger and disappointments.
This has been a common thread in the media for two years now, including Fox News, The American Conservative, and Rush Limbaugh.
The Pittsburgh killer is an angry white christian male. Trump has a unique understanding of what interests him, motivates him, and makes him angry.
That's why it's natural for people to connect Trump with hate crimes committed by angry white christian males, like this one in Pittsburgh. In fact, you'd have to try pretty hard to miss the connection, it seems to me.
Left-wing friends of mine constantly insist that Trump refuses to unequivocally condemn racism, white nationalism, antisemitism, right-wing violence, etc. etc. and is stirring up the crazies with his nationalist rhetoric.
When I quote whole paragraphs of speeches where he does condemn all those evils unequivocally, they call it lip service, because Trump is still saying racist xenophobic things elsewhere.
By which they mean: Trump still insists on no illegal immigration, and no tolerance for radical Islam. And when he fights back against the characterization of anyone to the right of center (for instance: anyone who might not want a Lee statue torn down) as a Nazi, they hear it as Trump defending Nazis.
I put less stock in Katy Waldman's ability to assign racist tendencies to people than I do on who the alt right hails, and it's not me.
Has anyone written anything even close to rational about Trump in the New Yorker since he won the election?
Mostly the New Yorker is what it has been for the last few decades, an outlet for those with highbrow tastes who are embarrassed to have such tastes, and people of means who are embarrassed they can afford the goods and services advertised there.
But on anything remotely connected to Trump, everything published in the New Yorker has just been so insanely hysterical that reading it has become cringy-voyeuristic, like observing the carnage at a car crash: you don’t really want to read or view it, yet it’s so garishly bad it’s impossible to not at least take a peek.
As with most hysterias, the hysteria says far more about the hysteric than about whatever the hysteric is hysterical about. Has the New Yorker gone nuts because Trump is not some hayseed from Texas, but actually born-and-raised in, umm, New York?
"What seems like an "obsession" here is the desire to get after Trump with anything and everything that comes up. Can you just stop for one day?"
No.
They will only stop when the Althouses of the world draw a line, deciding that prog obsessions are dangerous, that prog propaganda is terrible, that progs must not come close to holding power.
Until that happens, they will continue to fight, 24/7. Their obsession, after all, is power, the better to scorch the earth.
If Trump is responsible for Bowers, then someone is responsible for Hodgkinson. These pundits should be asked who they think was whipping him up into such a fervor that he'd want to kill a bunch of Republican Congressmen.
(Of course, I'm being silly here; we already know the answer, they already told us. It's Trump. Naturally.)
The left cling to lies.
It's particularly odd to link Trump to an act of antisemitic terror, considering that his own daughter and son-in-law are Jews, and that he is the most pro-Israel president in decades.
Of course, facts and logic don't matter in these cases. It's all about the framing.
"Can you just stop for one day?" No, they can't. They are monomaniacally obsessive, to the point of mental illness. Sad!
Once upon a time, I subscribed to the New Yorker but I dropped it when I tired of how they always seem to find a way to run stories that could be well expressed in 700 words in 5,000. That this one is so short implies that was rushed into print.
WHAT IS IT WITH THESE DEPLORABLES THAT THEY AREN'T LISTENING TO US???
It is because they all sound like background noise anymore. All repeating the same mantras. Loaded with unthinking hate. Spewing invectives at us all the time. racist, nazi, fascist, deplorable, irredeemable and so on.
They drone on and on. Eventually we just tune them out like the teacher in Peanuts
They have no solutions. They don't even try to understand that there are more sides to an issue than their own. It is hate and condescension 24/7.
Can we really be sure Katy Waldman does not post at Althouse under the name "Chuck"?
This latest leftist screed vomited up by Waldman reads very much like other tortured "analyses" offered up by our blog resident.....
bbkingfish, are you trying to displace Inga as the Althouse Resident Dullard? I'm afraid Inga's got the title locked up, but you're making a good run for it.
The media's newest ploy is to claim that criticizing Soros is a sign of antisemitism, as if Soros represents all Jews. (Which makes as much sense as saying John Gotti represents all Italian-Americans.)
But bbkingfish has no problem whatsoever smearing all white Christian males due to the actions of one idiot in Pittsburgh. That's because bbkingfish is a hateful totalitarian who is incapable of seeing human beings as anything but members of favored or disfavored groups.
Rad fems tell us that logic is a tool of the white male patriarchy. That must be why bbkingfish shuns it.
Trump is the standard bearer of white Christian men.
Bowers is a white Christian man.
Bowers thinks of Trump as his standard bearer.
No, that didn't work. Try again. Bowers hates Jews. I am white Christian male. I hate Jews. No not even close. Darn it, bbkingfish, your version of western logic doesn't seem to work very well. If you have to try hard NOT to make the connection, I guess it's because you've already made the connection absent any independent support. Perhaps, you and HT could get together and compare notes.
exiled: "bbkingfish, are you trying to displace Inga as the Althouse Resident Dullard? I'm afraid Inga's got the title locked up, but you're making a good run for it."
There is a democrat playbook.
That playbook has one play.
So bbkingfish called it....
In his two appearances on Saturday, the President positioned himself as the rare hero who is willing to speak out against the unuttered and unutterable forces poisoning American society.
And we're SURE AS HELL not going to let him get away with it!!!
it's hard to get around the expressed approval by the neo Nazis, KKK, nationalists and the like.
I feel sorry for you and hope your sanity recovers soon. There are drugs that work pretty well for what you have.
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bbkingfish, are you trying to displace Inga as the Althouse Resident Dullard? I'm afraid Inga's got the title locked up, but you're making a good run for it.
Maybe he is going for the Crack Reparations gig.
"The horror of efforts to connect the Pittsburgh massacre to Trump."
It all revolves around the reality that Jews primarily fund the antisemitic party, the Democrats, and their candidates. They very likely, anymore, provide more funding than any other source. Jews also provide a significant amount of the top leadership of the Democratic Party (averaging maybe 10% of the Senate for some time, including such notables as Schumer, Feinstein, and Sanders), as well as being its intellectual leaders. They would be far safer, and fit better, in the Republican Party, essentially becoming a silent part of the whole, as the Mormons did, in trade for statehood (Mormons had been Democrats up until then, but switched to Republican in a deal for statehood that included 8 Senate seats) (the 2 groups have comparable portions of the population, and Senators, Mormons faced more 19th Century discrimination (and murders), but face no violent discrimination any more as Jews continue to face to this day).
Jews, for the most part, in this country, face significant cognitive dissonance with this Faustian bargain that they have made with the Democratic Party. Cognitive dissonance just like we are seeing right now in the desperate attempts to pin the shootings at the PA Synagogue yesterday on Trump and the Republicans, trying to rewrite the reality that this shooter, as well as the perpetrators of almost all antisemitic hate crimes in this country, are leftists, and tied to the Democrats. The Dems can't afford to lose them financially, but need the votes of the most antisemitic elements of society. You hear this in the ever more outrageous conspiracy theories Jewish Democrats seem to use among themselves to justify continuing to belong to and support the antisemitic party. For example, bring up conservative and Christian support for Israel, and you immediately hear about the Rapture, some Christian Evangelical thing that I only hear about from Jewish Democrats. The reality is much simpler - Jesus, his family, Disciples, etc, were all relatively devout Jews living in and around modern day Israel, which the Bible tells us is the Jewish Promised Land.
bring up conservative and Christian support for Israel, and you immediately hear about the Rapture, some Christian Evangelical thing that I only hear about from Jewish Democrats.
And that would seem to be irrelevant. "OK, they support us and the state of Israel, but not for the right reasons, so screw em."
Reminds me of 20 years ago when liberals rejected patriotism, until conservatives accused them of not being patriotic. Then, suddenly, it was a smear. Just so, liberals have been calling themselves globalists for a generation at least, but suddenly, when Trump calls them globalists, it's a smear.
I understand that this may not be the moment that you wish to critically examine Trump's verbal tics, Althouse.
Was there ever a time when you critically examined Trump's verbal tics? With the same rigor and sarcasm with which you critically examined the writing in The New Yorker or the New York Times?
I must say; there is a part of this that is or should be obvious to your long-time readers. You don't go after the verbal recklessness of a Sean Hannity or a Lou Dobbs or a Jeanine Pirro because -- I have seen you write in the past -- you find them and all who are like them (left and right?) to be too boring and annoying.
I presume that you read The New Yorker and the New York Times because you have done so for decades, and you find some if not most of the writing to be fascinating. And because you are struck by their editorial aggression against Trump, while you have a neutral (at least!) view of Trump.
You seem to rarely take note of the legitimate criticism of Trump's regular, repeated recklessness in his use of language. Trump's language ought to mean a lot more to the national discourse, than a magazine or newspaper columnist.
By the way, seeing Bruce Hayden quote Althouse's line, "The horror of efforts to connect the Pittsburgh massacre to Trump," prompts me to observe that it really is a good line and a clever observation by Althouse and I congratulate her for it. I am certainly not criticizing Althouse's powers of literary observation. Only her routine choice of targets. And her routine choice of a favored non-target.
What seems like an "obsession" here is the desire to get after Trump with anything and everything that comes up. Can you just stop for one day?
No. The narrative must be continually fed. It is a shield and a totem for the intellectually vacuous modern liberal.
Liberal and conservative writers used to produce ideas, just as engineers produce designs and factory workers produce products. After a long, sad decline in the ability to reason, modern liberals just produce words full of signaling but devoid of worthwhile meaning.
If the synagogue killer had turned out to be a Muslim, I'm sure the New Yorker would have been at pains to explain how aberrant the killer was and how his act had nothing to do with Islam. Why can't they extend the same courtesy to Trump and his voters?
"I am white Christian male. I hate Jews. No not even close. Darn it, bbkingfish, your version of western logic doesn't seem to work very well."
Of course, the natural result of hating Jews is that White Christians must also hate Jesus, his family, Disciples, as well as David, Solomon, Moses, etc, because they were all Jews. Which, of course, contradicts the original point.
I've talked to a couple of Jewish doctor friends about this. One is a friend of the young lawyer who got the Austrian government to return the Woman in Gold painting to the daughter of the original owner.
He just kind of laughs about Trump and the Democrats' hysteria. He has a nice home in the San Fernando Valley and is a retired urologist. Many of his neighbors are Jewish doctors. In no way is he ever threatened by anti-Semites. I think it is a tribal thing, maybe related to the Day of Atonement thing. It doesn't affect him. We can talk about Trump and he is not a hysteric. He is just a life long Democrat. Nothing like the nuts we see on this blog.
”You don't go after the verbal recklessness of a Sean Hannity or a Lou Dobbs or a Jeanine Pirro ...”
In order to do that she’d have to watch them.
Blogger Chuck said...
I understand that this may not be the moment that you wish to critically examine Trump's verbal tics, Althouse.
Chuck being Chuck. I stopped reading there, Chuck. I suspect everyone else did. too.
"Trump hates Jews so much that when his daughter married one, converted to the religion, and bore him Jewish grandchildren, he loved them with all his heart."
How do you know Trump loves his children or grandchildren? It is not a given that all parents love their progeny. Trump has expressed weird semi-sexual admiration for Ivanka, but I haven't read any particular expressions of love or even approval by him of his sons or grandchildren.
I wonder if Trump can truly love anyone.
As for the Trump-loving would-be bomber and the Jew-hating shooter, they're lone nuts, and their actions cannot be blamed on Trump or any other public figures.
Trump understands their anger and feels their pain.
That's why angry white christian males form Trump's largest and most loyal voting base. Other politicians, especially Democratic ones, lack Trump's unique connection with, and understanding of, angry white christian males.
By the way, does anyone have any thoughts as to why these church mass murderers always seem to be angry white christian males? Milwaukee, Charleston, Texas, now Pittsburgh. What is it about people praying in church that makes them so attractive to these angry white christian mass-murder-in-church type males?
"German socialists killed millions of Jews along with millions of non Jews."
German nationalists killed millions of Jews along with millions of non Jews. They were not socialists, no matter how hard you want them to have been or how often you say it.
"German socialists killed millions of Jews along with millions of non Jews."
German nationalists killed millions of Jews along with millions of non Jews. They were not socialists, no matter how hard you want them to have been or how often you say it.
They called themselves Socialists. Their enemies called them Socialists. Their friends called them Socialists. In the U.S. prior to WW II we celebrated their Socialism in the US.
But they weren't Socialists.
"Trump understands their anger and feels their pain."
He doesn't feel it, but he is a canny enough confidence man to recognize it and to know how to exploit it for his purposes, (which have to do, primarily, with gaining attention and adoration...his primary drive seems narcissistic in nature).
his primary drive seems narcissistic in nature).
So was Stalin's. Are you still in mourning ?
Cookie is really on a rant this morning. I guess the Brazil election results have unhinged him.
It seems worth pointing out that "11 murders" is a statistically average week in the City of Chicago. No one seems especially excited about that. You can get used to anything, apparently.
What a small, hate-filled person is Katy Waldman.
the Left is deranged.
bbkingfish: "That's why angry white christian males form Trump's largest and most loyal voting base."
Lefties/Dems: Identity politics is the most important thing in the world! Your ethnicity defines you!! And white males should all drop dead!!! Immediately. They can't die off fast enough! They are horrible deplorables. They should also shut up!! They are so toxic and they've destroyed the world. All persons of color should band together and vote as a block! So should gays! And secular jews! And Hispanics!
Also Lefties/Dems: Why are white males voting in a block?
Trump is not only responsible for all violence committed by his supporters, he's also responsible for all violence committed by those who oppose him.
Waldman tried and failed to make us forget that both she and Bowers are anti-Trump, frankly.
Michael K: "Cookie is really on a rant this morning."
He has much to shout about in order to cover up the crimes of the left.
Maduro is now tossing political rivals off of roofs.
Literally.
Similar to how Inga's beloved islamic supremacists throw gays off of roofs.
Literally.
Cookie's pals on the left are just pissed off that so many Venezuelan's have been able to flee the typical, run of the mill, murderous morons of the left to other nations.
Lost opportunities.
Lost opportunities for the left and their creation of ANOTHER lefty workers paradise.
Imagine what she thought about Obama's "let me be clear. . .".
Talk about a verbal tic.
German socialists were progressive (e.g. redistributive change), diversitist (i.e. color judgments), pro-choice (e.g. life deemed unworthy), single-payer (e.g. universal medical insurance), Jew privilege-obsessed, social justice warriors without borders.
Globalists are anti-nativists, anti-emigration reform, pro-selective-child, anti-retained capital, pro-refugee crises. Ah, diversity, color, and broad brushes.
Waldman is a nattering nabob of negativism.
I haven't heard Trump having many verbal tics, except for his weird dislike of dogs, but some Pols have verbal tics that drive me up the wall.
Gingrich used to say "The fact of the matter is," about 50 times a day. And what's worse he'd use it to give his interpretation or opinion. As in:
"The fact of the matter is, blue is the best color"
Very annoying.
I think Cookie is distraught about Brazil. Stalin has been dead for 50 years so Cookie's mourning should be almost over but Lula is in prison a, png with most of his cronies. That will really get Cookie upset.
Then this Trump-like person wins an election he was not supposed to.
Still, Mr. Bolsonaro offers much of what those who want to modernize Brazil could only dream of during the PT reign. He backs an independent central bank, some privatization and deregulation, a reconciliation of fiscal accounts, property rights, opening the economy, and a move away from industrial policy. If he gets even half that done, Brazilians will be winners.
No wonder Cookie is upset !
“You don't go after the verbal recklessness of a Sean Hannity or a Lou Dobbs or a Jeanine Pirro ...”
“In order to do that she’d have to watch them.”
Meh, why watch them when all she has to do is read what the great majority of her rightist Trumpist commenters write? If what they write here daily doesn’t repulse her, nothing will. Instead she seems to daily defend the object of their desire. Trump Cultism is real
They called themselves Socialists. Their enemies called them Socialists. Their friends called them Socialists. In the U.S. prior to WW II we celebrated their Socialism in the US.
This is unmitigated bullshit. Their enemies didn't call them socialists, we called them fascists. It is stupid that you claim that "we" celebrated their "socialism" in the U.S. prior to WWII, when you consider that most of their prominent fans were on the right (e.g., Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh). The early Nazi party was indeed socialist (or at least the factions in the Ruhr valley), but once Hitler consolidated power, some socialist rhetoric stayed, but the policy was right wing and openly courted the industrialists and the traditional (Prussian royalty dominated) military. Goebells, who was an ardent socialist and was responsible for most of the socialist rhetoric that continued throughout the Reich, was a slavish follower of Hitler.
What "socialist" policies did the Nazis institute? What industries did they nationalize? Where was the land reform to break up the large estates in Prussia? The Lebensraum plans were downright medieval. Enslave the remaining populations of Eastern Europe to serve imported Aryan landowners who would be granted large estates.
As for the article, every single Goddamn article in the Liberal MSM is an attack on TRump.
Its like living in the USSR and having to read Pravada's attacks on Trotsky as a Running dog of capitalism 24x7.
single-payer (e.g. universal medical insurance)
Again, more bullshit. Universal medical insurance in Germany was started by Otto Von Bismarck in 1883.
Ah, bbkingfish what about this white Christian Jew-hater?
Democrat Ilhan Omar - US House Candidate MN-5
"Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel."
bbkingfish would happily cast a vote for Omar if he/she/it lived in this dirtbag's district.
Waldman paragraph does the usual thing:
1) Adopt and attitude of superiority
2) Claim Trump is a liar
3) Misquote him or wretch a sentence out of context
4) Act like attacks on Trump are the gospel truth
5) Interpret everything Trump says in the dumbest way possible.
6) Blame him for everything.
"While it may be true that Pittsburgh cannot be linked with Trump, it's hard to get around the expressed approval by the neo Nazis, KKK, nationalists and the like."
Racists approving of Trump is not the same as Trump approving of racists. Is that hard to understand?
HT, what do you make of the antisemitic Bowers disapproving of Trump? That makes Bowers just like you, doesn't it? Face it, frankly, you're just like Bowers "and the like" -- all of them.
“What "socialist" policies did the Nazis institute? What industries did they nationalize? Where was the land reform to break up the large estates in Prussia? The Lebensraum plans were downright medieval. Enslave the remaining populations of Eastern Europe to serve imported Aryan landowners who would be granted large estates.”
They cannot accept that fascism is rightist and they are rightist, so they continue to lie to themselves and say Nazis were socialist. Neo Nazis, White Supremacists, White nationalists, nationalists all are to the right, all support Trump.
Of course, the natural result of hating Jews is that White Christians must also hate Jesus, his family, Disciples, as well as David, Solomon, Moses, etc, because they were all Jews. Which, of course, contradicts the original point.
You know absolutely nothing about the historical hatred of Jews by Christians, do you?
“Racists approving of Trump is not the same as Trump approving of racists. Is that hard to understand?”
Why did Trump play coy about David Duke? Why did Trump say there “were good people on both sides” in Charlottesville where Heather Heyer was run down at a Unite the Right rally?
Fanatics and ignoramuses will never learn or accept that which belies their belief systems, but, for what it's worth:
"The early, pre-Nazi party that Hitler joined toyed with forms of market control to benefit small businesses and to halt ostensible "foreign" - that is, Jewish - control over markets. But such dalliances would not last long. Yes, Mussolini had been a socialist early during the First World War, but broke with his comrades to support Italian expansionism, and then formed his fascist party to crush them. As in fascist Italy, Nazi ideas were self-consciously formulated to negate those of the left, not to imitate them. When Hitler took over the party in 1921, he shredded the anti-capitalist parts of the old party's platform.
"Under Hitler, the party looked squarely to the middle classes and farmers rather than the working class for a political base. Hitler realigned it to ensure that it was an anti-socialist, anti-liberal, authoritarian, pro-business party - particularly after the failed Beerhall Putsch of 1923. The 'socialism' in the name National Socialism was a strategically chosen misnomer designed to attract working class votes where possible, but they refused to take the bait. The vast majority voted for the Communist or Social Democratic parties.
The minority anti-capitalist strand of Nazism (Strasserism) on which van Onselen fastens was eliminated well before 1934, when Gregor Strasser and the Storm Trooper (SA) leader Ernst Roehm were murdered with over eighty others in the "Night of the Long Knives." In fact, Strasserism had already been defeated at the Bamberg Conference of 1926 when the Nazis were polling under 3% of the vote. Here, Hitler brought the dissidents back into line, denouncing them as 'communists' and ruling out land expropriations and grassroots decision-making. He heightened the party's alliance with businesses small and large, and insisted on the absolute centralisation of decision-making - the 'Fuehrer (leader) Principle.'
"When the already isolated Strasser brothers tried to reinvigorate their project one last time in 1930, Hitler and Goebbels banded together to force Otto Strasser to leave the party and Gregor Strasser to publicly recant. When the first electoral breakthrough to a popular vote of 18% came in 1930, the Nazi party's anti-capitalist minority were well and truly defeated. The 'Night of the Long Knives' purged the old SA, not because they were a hidden vestige of socialism, but because Roehm's army of street thugs were a potential threat to Hitler's personal consolidation of power. A struggle over socialism in the Nazi party played absolutely no role in the purge of 1934.
"For their part, businesses welcomed the Nazis' promises to suppress the left. On 20 February 1933, Hitler and Goering met with a large group of industrialists when Hitler declared that democracy and business were incompatible and that the workers needed to be dragged away from socialism. He promised bold action to protect their businesses and property from communism. The industrialists - including leading figures from I.G. Farben, Hoesch, Krupp, Siemens, Allianz and other senior mining and manufacturing groups - then contributed more than two million Reichsmarks to the Nazi election fund, with Goering tellingly suggesting that this would probably be the last election for a hundred years. Business leadership happily jettisoned democracy to rid Germany of socialism and to smash organised labour."
Don't think our own big businesses wouldn't be as eager to jettison democracy...what faint vestige of it we still retain. In essence, that is what they've been working toward for decades.
Looks like Inga the Deep Thinker is back.
Just in time to explain why all her nominees for New Leader of the Free World (May, Merkel, Trudeau, Macron) are sucking wind.
I can't wait for Inga to explain how she got them all wrong.
I expect something along the lines of how Maduro really isn't all that bad, and definitely not a communist!
LOL
He doesn't feel it, but he is a canny enough confidence man to recognize it and to know how to exploit it for his purposes, (which have to do, primarily, with gaining attention and adoration...his primary drive seems narcissistic in nature).
This is perfect for illustrating how perspective shapes our thinking.
/s//intelligent and perceptive enough/a canny enough confidence man
/s//able to address the concerns of a large swath of the electorate/know hot to exploit it for his purposes
Cooke's premise is that since Trump is a bad man (which is self-evident to Cooke) then everything he does is bad, even if he is actually doing the things he promised he would do and they are having a good effect. Or at the very least, he is doing it for the wrong (to Cooke) reasons. But as long as he is doing what he was elected to do, then why should I care that his motivation is "attention and adoration?" And how does Cooke know that? How can anyone really know someone else's motivation?
WHAT IS IT WITH THESE DEPLORABLES THAT THEY AREN'T LISTENING TO US???
Ok Martha Coakley.
I think that was the talking head who, on election night, said “they didn’t listen to us.”
Robert Cook: "Fanatics and ignoramuses will never learn or accept that which belies their belief systems..."
So saith noted October Surprise Conspiracy Theorist Robert Cook.
And in happy blog partnership with Hoax Putin-dictated/dem enabled golden showers dossier Inga!
Things are definitely looking up.
BTW, apparently, even Stalin's Soviet Union wasn't "real" socialism/communism!
"Real socialism/communism" has not yet, according to the left, really been attempted.
Next time. With the "right people in charge". That will be "real socialism"!
RW: "And how does Cooke know that? How can anyone really know someone else's motivation?"
Both Cook and Inga, and in fact, Katy Waldman and LLR Chuck and many others, have the uncanny ability to read minds and know the deepest motivating and animating factors in other human beings decisions.
That's just one reason why they think they are qualified to rule over others in absolute terms.
They, like their obammasiah, are like "sort of God's", "Light-Bringers" if you will.
And if you don't actually believe in them, or let them have power, what you will get....is what you have been getting for 2 years now.
Mobs.
The Nazis were far-left progressive who selectively aborted Jews and other deplorables under a layer of privacy, were politically congruent, and diverse. Still, in total numbers, the Soviet communists were second, the Chinese communists were first, and progressive liberals are keeping pace with social justice adventures, anti-nativism, and selective-child.
Drago lost badly in a debate about this very topic a while back. That was epic.
Real socialism/communism
Is a minority regime that reduces competing interests and are known for their progressive leaps with millions aborted or disenfranchised, and liberal obsession with diversity (i.e. color judgments). The Nazis were notable for their concept of "Jew privilege", which painted (and aborted) a group of people with a broad, sweeping stroke.
The Nazi's were no more anti-semitic than your typical islamist supremacist.....who have aligned fully with the left in the west.
Fully.
Why, just from today in fact...
The New Yorker ✔
@NewYorker Could Ahmadinejad be America’s newest purveyor of hot sports takes? http://nyer.cm/diq9fM6
9:34 PM - Oct 28, 2018
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad vs. Mike Francesa
The former Iranian President has been tweeting about American sports. Can he make it as a pundit?
newyorker.com
If that wasn't enough, how about a lefty British Liberal Democrat, Jenny Tonge, blaming the Pittsburgh attack on Israel?
Just another day in lefty paradise.
It's all of a piece.
“What "socialist" policies did the Nazis institute? What industries did they nationalize? Where was the land reform to break up the large estates in Prussia? The Lebensraum plans were downright medieval. Enslave the remaining populations of Eastern Europe to serve imported Aryan landowners who would be granted large estates.”
But enough about Menlo Park and California.
More importantly, Gahrie, everything they ever wrote said or did was socialist.
Words AND actions made the German socialists socialist.
I'll be happy to debate this with anyone who had actually read the National Socialist ideological writings.
The documents, not whay others claim they say.
John Henry
Inga: "Drago lost badly in a debate about this very topic a while back. That was epic."
Sure I did.
Almost as "badly" as Trump lost in Nov of 2016.
But not quite the "winning" of Inga's designated New Leaders of the Free World!
Too funny.
Inga, how would you explain how you got that so wrong?
Is your James Hodgkinson Denialism creeping into all of your arguments now?....
Universal medical insurance in Germany was started by Otto Von Bismarck
It persisted under the Nazis, and under the rules of diversity, the practice is colored by their inherited practice.
"Cooke's premise is that since Trump is a bad man...."
I don't assert Trump is a "bad" man, necessarily. I believe he is amoral, lacking any real beliefs or convictions, with aggrandizement of himself his only actual goal.
how about a lefty British Liberal Democrat, Jenny Tonge, blaming the Pittsburgh attack on Israel?
You know nothing about British politics, do you? Otherwise you would know that "lefty Liberal Democrat" is an oxymoron.
Inga...Allie Oop said...
Drago lost badly in a debate about this very topic a while back. That was epic.
10/29/18, 10:20 AM
Yeah, right.
Beating Inga in a debate is like beating a legless man in a footrace.
“Both Cook and Inga, and in fact, Katy Waldman and LLR Chuck and many others, have the uncanny ability to read minds and know the deepest motivating and animating factors in other human beings decisions.”
Hahaha! Now that is funny coming from someone who continuously and numerous times daily tells what he thinks the liberals here think and then to make it better he lies about what they think. He could’ve been trained in the propaganda department of the FSB as often as he deploys lies and misinterpretation.
Robert Cook: "I don't assert Trump is a "bad" man, necessarily. I believe he is amoral, lacking any real beliefs or convictions, with aggrandizement of himself his only actual goal."
If you are going to get something wrong, why not just go all the way?
That's the spirit cookie!
Look at Inga. She didn't just say 1 other western leader was the New Leader of the Free World. She gave us 4 of them!! And it was as magnificently, hilariously, moronically wrong as it could be. But she had the "courage" to take it all the way!
The Diary of Ann, Frankly
Inga: "He could’ve been trained in the propaganda department of the FSB as often as he deploys lies and misinterpretation."
Inga just can't let go of the hoax narrative Putin's pals fed the democrats.
What else does she have really?
“Look at Inga. She didn't just say 1 other western leader was the New Leader of the Free World. She gave us 4 of them!! And it was as magnificently, hilariously, moronically wrong as it could be. But she had the "courage" to take it all the way!”
Most any leader of any democratic country is a more qualified leader than Trump.
Go ahead Inga. Admit that you have doubts about the hoax faked up dossier.
Lot's of dems now admit they do. They have to. They know the lie hasn't help up too well.
But can you do it?
LOL
I'm betting...."no".
The right in America is libertarian, not socialist, not communist, not fascist, and, on principle, not given to diversity (i.e. color judgments/discrimination), redistributive change, and social justice adventures without borders.
Inga: "Most any leader of any democratic country is a more qualified leader than Trump."
Not according to their own people.
tsk tsk
Geoff Matthews said: Imagine what she thought about Obama's "let me be clear. . .". Talk about a verbal tic.
That wasn't so much a tick with Obama as it was a tell. You knew when he said that to watch for the whopper that would follow.
He doesn't feel it
To quote a Midwestern transplant to the Upper West Side (who thinks this is a devastating sally that like Frank's Hot Sauce, he puts this s*** on everything),
How do you know?
Well, the leftists are still waiting for their media masters to give them the talking points on the "far right" Brazilian election results. Was it RUSSIAN BOTS, Inga? Or RACIST WHITE GUYS, bbkingfish? Or FOX NEWS? Oh, dear me, who can we blame? Until CNN and the NY Times tell them what to think, our resident birdbrains have to spend their time ranting about anti-Semitism, although Inga doesn't give one shit when innocent Jews are killed in Israel.
n.n.: "The right in America is libertarian..."
This is where it gets interesting.
The pure libertarian wing of the republican party is under fire for open borders without any concern for cultural assimilation and impacts of dumping millions of poor, uneducated, low wage workers into our nation at precisely the same time that technology is delivering massive disruption in employment with low skilled workers destined to be replaced rapidly by machines in all sorts of occupations.
Libertarians don't concern themselves with thinking about 10's of millions of unemployed people standing around with nothing to do.....and where that leads.
Interestingly enough, the open borders libertarians, like the Koch brothers, are fully aligned with the far left/dems (who want the permanent majority 10's of millions of immigrants would give them).
“Racists approving of Trump is not the same as Trump approving of racists. Is that hard to understand?”
'Why did Trump play coy about David Duke? Why did Trump say there “were good people on both sides” in Charlottesville where Heather Heyer was run down at a Unite the Right rally?'
Trump disavowed Duke's racial views on many occasions, but shamefully failed to do so between those times.
There were good people on both sides in Charlottesville, but Heather Heyer wasn't one of them. She and DeAndre Harris were part of a violent mob trying to suppress Inga's civil rights.
A quasi-universal medical insurance with cost shifting was implemented by Democrats. However, universal medical care was first implemented by Republicans. Now we need to make medical services and products both affordable and available.
Under Hitler, the party looked squarely to the middle classes and farmers rather than the working class for a political base.
I remember a poll a few years ago that while other indicators may not have put people in the middle class, most thought of themselves in the middle class.
Which could be a reason Trump won. He talked to the middle and working classes.
You don’t want that, Cookie? It seems you want to fight for the little guy, but who is really the little guy? A subset of a subset?
Trump the racist seems to be reaching something inside enough of non-whites to draw them in in spite of his racism.
Those terms don’t really mean anything anymore, because you could be an accountant making $60k/yr, and union making $100k/+.
If you get up and go to work at least 5 days a week, are you working class?
How does one define “rich” nowadays? The election is almost here, and it could be your neighbor next door for all you know.
Is it income? Wealth? No one knows because everyone has a different definition in their head. You have $1 more than me, you’re rich, I’m not you didn’t build that gimme. You have a 52” TV I have a 48” inch, no fair gimme.
“There were good people on both sides in Charlottesville, but Heather Heyer wasn't one of them. She and DeAndre Harris were part of a violent mob trying to suppress Inga's civil rights.”
“Heather D. Heyer, a young woman with a big heart and a love for all individuals regardless of race, religion or creed, lost her life August 12, 2017 when a car plowed into a crowd of counter-demonstrators who were protesting a rally of neo-Nazis, Ku Klux Klan members and other white nationalists.
Heather was a high school graduate who had worked for years as a waitress and a bartender until 2012 when she was given the opportunity to work at a local law firm in Charlottesville, VA. Upon getting this opportunity to better herself and establish a career, Heather embraced and worked hard to become a paralegal. While working as a paralegal, Heather continued to voice her concerns and views about equality. She often expressed her deep frustration because minorities, genders, and religious cultures were being unjustly treated. By speaking out for justice and equality, Heather embodied the spirit of the civil rights movement.
Heather was a young woman deeply involved in taking a stand against injustice when she didn’t have to do so. Heather’s story shows how much has changed since the civil rights movement, but it also shows how much hasn’t changed.
The Heather Heyer Foundation was created to honor Heather Heyer, a young civil rights activist, who dedicated her life to promoting equal rights for all people. The Foundation has established a scholarship program to provide financial assistance to individuals passionate about positive social change. Scholarships will be awarded to those seeking a degree or certification in, but not limited to, law, paralegal studies, social work, social justice, and education. Help us make a difference, and as Heather had often quoted “If you’re not outraged you’re not paying attention” (Unknown)“
The Heather Heyer Foundation
”I'm betting...."no".”
You won’t find any takers.
“No one knows what Mueller knows.”
"The right in America is libertarian..."
This is where it gets interesting.
Indeed, there is a left-right nexus. However, there must be a common principle to paint people with a broad, sweeping stroke. At minimum, libertarians are Constitutional, and work within the parameters of our black-letter laws. So, libertarians, in principle, support and reconcile both immigration and civil rights.
Inga: "Most any leader of any democratic country is a more qualified leader than Trump."
Not according to their own people.
tsk tsk
Yeah, it depends on the credentials you want in your leader. The USA elected a businessman, because the business of America is business.
The business of the Europeans is maintaining the centuries old/olde world ruling class with a veneer of modernization so they don’t end up C. France 1789.
It has been noted that the NeverTrumpers went Full NeverTrump and aligned with the dems right about the time that Trump stood up at the South Carolina republican debate and blasted GW Bush and all the other US leaders who backed permanent interventionist policies in the Middle East and elsewhere.
It is said that is the moment Bill Kristol went Full Cuckoo and devoted himself to helping the dems/left/deep state/anyone who hated Trump.
He wasn't the last.
At that moment, the NeverTrumpers aligned with the dems to stop Trump.
But that is ironic, isn't it. Cookie here will probably tell you that HE is for ending all the interventionist polices of the previous administrations, republican and democrat. (he can confirm that himself).
Bernie Sanders talked about that.
Both Trump and the many on the left speak continuously about the rigged system and concentration of power in the US.
But here is where it gets interesting again: Where is the power most concentrated? Washington DC? Some say yes. Others say no, that Washington is the symptom. It's really the most massively powerful corporate entities that we have ever seen: The tech giants.
And even more ominous: the tech giants are in control, to a large degree, of the information that is provided to people.
And those tech giants are not transparent and have their own agendas.
So where does that lead a sort of traditional conservative who expounded for years on free markets, free exchange of goods/services/people?
Right back to Teddy Roosevelt progressivism. Which overlaps with some of the left on policy grounds.
Which is why Trump is so dangerous. He has "broken" out of all the previous paradigms.
The dems could have coopted him early where they agreed. Instead, their identified strategy was full "resistance". In so doing, the shoved Trump all the way over to Full Conservative and given us the most conservative governance any of us have seen in our lifetimes.
And, oh yeah. He also happens to have existed within the media stew/milieu that has equipped him to be one of our most effective mass market communicators and brand manager.
Yikes.
Talk about the lefties creating the form of their own destructor!! Except this time it isn't the Stay Puft Marshmallow man.
The stupid is thick in this thread.
It is stupid that you claim that "we" celebrated their "socialism" in the U.S. prior to WWII, when you consider that most of their prominent fans were on the right (e.g., Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh).
Field Marshal Freder is going to explain how Mussolini was so popular in the US that he was in a movie with Lionel Barrymore.
Lionel Barrymore was a well known Fascist. Right Freder ?
Inga: "The Heather Heyer Foundation was created to honor Heather Heyer, a young civil rights activist, who dedicated her life to promoting equal rights for all people."
LOL
Heather Heyer, like all leftists, seeks to gut the Bill of Rights. Particularly the 1st and 2nd amendments.
No different than any other lefties who even now are calling for the abolishing of the Supreme Court (because they lost the political battle) and the electoral college (because it keeps them from stacking the electoral deck with illegals in a couple large lefty states).
Inga is going full on DSA with her communist heroine.
Just imagine is that woman was home taking care of children or doing something besides "demonstrating" in the street and blocking traffic.
The stupid is just too thick.
They can’t explain what white supremacists see in Trump. Why do the great majority of them love Trump? Explain it.
Michael K: "Field Marshal Freder is going to explain how Mussolini was so popular in the US that he was in a movie with Lionel Barrymore.
Lionel Barrymore was a well known Fascist. Right Freder ?"
You know who was a big, big, BIG fan of Hitler prior to the War?
Joseph Kennedy. He opposed the anti-nazi policies of Roosevelt so strongly as Ambassador to the Court of St James that Roosevelt fired him.
Freder doesn't know any of that.
Freder is too busy passing off obvious lies about the Bundy Case outcome and discoveries of Fed Govt corruption.
Dahlia Lithwick’s piece in Slate was equally fatuous.
”They can’t explain what white supremacists see in Trump. Why do the great majority of them love Trump?”
Yeah, all ten of them.
Inga: "They can’t explain what white supremacists see in Trump. Why do the great majority of them love Trump?"
"the great majority of them"
How many of them are there? Where are they? How many of them (percentage wise) support Trump? Which policies of Trump do they support? How do you know that?
How many of them, like the Pittsburgh shooter, hate Trump because he likes jews/Israel too much? (like many on the left)
We'll wait.
LOL
“Inga is going full on DSA with her communist heroine.
Just imagine is that woman was home taking care of children or doing something besides "demonstrating" in the street and blocking traffic.
The stupid is just too thick.”
The senile coot is giving a running commentary again I see. Isn’t it time for your Depends to be changed? Or for you to call your liberal son and insult his wife again? Oh I forgot you two don’t speak...no wonder.
Interestingly enough, the open borders libertarians, like the Koch brothers, are fully aligned with the far left/dems (who want the permanent majority 10's of millions of immigrants would give them).
Which is why I am not a "Big L" Libertarian. It looks like Rand Paul maybe figuring it out, too.
Milton Friedman is the one who pointed out that open borders and a welfare state will not work together.
All the ignorant lefties who blather about "We are all descended from immigrants" know nothing. This is why history is neglected in school.
Now, remember.
Lefties like Inga classify folks like Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager as anti-jewish white supremacists, so I'm certain we are going to encounter a "category error" problem shortly!
LOL
Or for you to call your liberal son and insult his wife again?
Inga, always classy.
My "liberal son" is trying to convince her to move to Orange County after he spent years denigrating it for being conservative.
You define crazy ignorant leftist.
What about the minorities of Blacks and Hispanics, Inga? His support is heading into the 30s and 40%.
However will they all manage to agree on something or somethings?
Now there’s a thought. Race relations might get better.
Michael K: "Which is why I am not a "Big L" Libertarian. It looks like Rand Paul maybe figuring it out, too.
Milton Friedman is the one who pointed out that open borders and a welfare state will not work together"
Rand Paul isn't the only one.
Again, what is most amazing is the degree of overlap between a Trump world view and someone like a Cookie.
Now cookie thinks Trump is icky, but that doesn't change the fact that Trump views America's self-styled credentialed but wholly unqualified unimpressive and incompetent "elites" as buffoons.
And I'll bet Cookie does too (again, he will have to confirm).
And right there lies the foundation for a political movement AND represents the greatest threat to entrenched and astonishingly powerful interests in this nation that we have ever seen.
Thus: 94% of all Trump coverage is negative, despite fantastic economic and foreign policy news.
But that makes it worse for the establishment types doesn't it, since they have been telling us for 20 years that these accomplishments were not even possible.
Yet here they are! Right in front of us.
Not a good look for them, eh?
Seeing Red: "What about the minorities of Blacks and Hispanics, Inga? His support is heading into the 30s and 40%."
Indeed. Ask NeverTrumper Ruben Navarrette:
"In 2016, an astounding 29 percent of Latinos voted for Mr. Trump.
And now, two years into his presidency, polls show that his support among Latinos is somewhere between 33 percent and 41 percent. That’s insanely good for a president who is so bad on issues that Latinos supposedly care about.
Then you have the Democrats, who take Latino voters for granted and whose entire Latino outreach strategy can be summed up in six words: “Vote for us. We’re not Republican.” That’s it? I don’t know about you, but I’m still hungry.
http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2018/10/29/Ruben-Navarrette-Jr-Latinos-wake-up-to-the-Democrats-duplicity/stories/201810290007
Heyer was more than happy to condone violence when her antifa buddies were committing it.
I'm sorry she died. I am not going to pretend she was some saintly advocate of non-violence. That's a lie. Of course, Inga swallows lies whole and opens her mouth eagerly for the next round of feces.
exiledonmainstreet: "Heyer was more than happy to condone violence when her antifa buddies were committing it."
Indeed.
A little lefty street corner thug who wanted to be in a mob to go after others.
Well, she got her wish.
Like Rachel Corrie.
Wasn't Inga telling us just a few months ago how wonderful and brave and noble that sociopath Avenatti was?
One might just question her character judgments.
I wrote Saturday when the shooting happened that it would interesting to see how the media blamed Trump for it. I wrote that it would be a tough needle to thread, but they would find a way. Basically, the writer is deeply dishonest, or just fucking nuts. All this is backfiring on the Left, but I don't think they are even capable of understanding this.
bring up conservative and Christian support for Israel, and you immediately hear about the Rapture, some Christian Evangelical thing that I only hear about from Jewish Democrats.
And that would seem to be irrelevant. "OK, they support us and the state of Israel, but not for the right reasons, so screw em."
I have heard those stupid arguments made before. The rational reply is what difference does their motivation make? If they are right, it's God's will. If they aren't, what's the harm?
exiled: "Wasn't Inga telling us just a few months ago how wonderful and brave and noble that sociopath Avenatti was?"
The outpouring of love and admiration for Avenetti by the idiots at all of LLR Chuck's favorite MSM outlets was astonishing.
And, now short-lived.
In the same way that the lefties no longer laud Venezuela as a socialist "success story", which they did.
Venezuela, James Hodgkinson, Avenetti....all down the memory hole they must go...
What is it about houses of worship that makes them so attractive to angry white christian males with murderous intent?
Charleston -- Black Christian church -- A.W.C.M. murderer
Milwaukee -- Sikh Temple -- A.W.C.M. murderer
Texas -- White Christian Church -- A.W.C.M. murderer
Pittsburgh -- Jewish Temple -- A.W.C.M. murderer
Kentucky -- Black Christian Church -- A.W.C.M. murderer*
Why is this style of mass assassination, in the House of the Lord, so particularly attractive to the angry, frustrated, Christian man of light complexion, do you think.
cubanbob: "bring up conservative and Christian support for Israel, and you immediately hear about the Rapture, some Christian Evangelical thing that I only hear about from Jewish Democrats."
That was PPPT's schtick just the other day.
Just another avoidance/denigration strategy the lefties employ as they cater full-tilt to every islamo-fascist talking point/desire in the west.
The lefties in Europe have decided to just be open about it all now and have ruled it illegal to criticize muhammed.
I thought the lefties would cool it a bit after protecting massive islamic rape grooming gangs in Europe and hiding all the other islamic violence and driving jews out of France.
But nope. The lefties probably figure, hey we're committed, so lets just go for it!
bbkingfish: "Why is this style of mass assassination, in the House of the Lord, so particularly attractive to the angry, frustrated, Christian man of light complexion, do you think"
My only regret is that I lack the $100 million necessary to take bbkingfish's hot fresh takes on current events and turn them into national advertising campaigns for the ......dems!!
LOL
This is how you got Trump.
This is how you get more Trump.
I'm now 75% sure that bbkingfish is being paid by republicans to post here.
Saying there are good people on both sides, even if it's only aspirational (I think it was both aspirational and true), sounds like the comment of a uniter. Saying the only good people are the ones on Inga's side sounds like the comment of a divider.
This is why I think what happened in Brazil is a huge indicator. Brazil has been poorly run for centuries.
Lula and his party were the left's dream on success. Then they got into office and did what lefties always do. They stole the church silver.
Bolsonaro was such a threat that they tried to assassinate him. Right on TV.
He survived and is president. The Guardian describes him as another Trump, which he may be.
A new axis in the Americas looked possible on Monday as Donald Trump expressed his delight at the victory of extreme rightwing politician Jair Bolsonaro in the Brazilian presidential election.
The US leader said he had had an “excellent call” with the former army captain who openly admires dictatorship and torture. “We agreed that Brazil and the United States will work closely together on Trade, Military and everything else!”, he tweeted.
The remarks suggest an affinity that could reshape politics in the region and beyond.
Let's hope so.
Angry white males do seem to be a problem. Look at the baseball field shooter for instance. Or at the pallid little leftwing dwerbs who fill the motley ranks of Antifa.
More importantly, Gahrie, everything they ever wrote said or did was socialist.
Words AND actions made the German socialists socialist.
I'll be happy to debate this with anyone who had actually read the National Socialist ideological writings.
The documents, not whay others claim they say.
John Henry
Milton Friedman is the one who pointed out that open borders and a welfare state will not work together.
Quite true. But that was meant as a criticism of the welfare state, not of open borders.
@bbkingfish,
What is it about houses of worship that makes them so attractive to angry white christian males with murderous intent?
Charleston -- Black Christian church -- A.W.C.M. murderer
Milwaukee -- Sikh Temple -- A.W.C.M. murderer
Texas -- White Christian Church -- A.W.C.M. murderer
Pittsburgh -- Jewish Temple -- A.W.C.M. murderer
Kentucky -- Black Christian Church -- A.W.C.M. murderer*
Why is this style of mass assassination, in the House of the Lord, so particularly attractive to the angry, frustrated, Christian man of light complexion, do you think.
What is your proof that any of these guys were "believing" or "practicing" Christians? One is not a "Christian" because one is white, male, & right wing. One is a Christian when one believes & lives according to the beliefs of a Christian sect.
Does that apply to any of these guys? Show us the proof.
Blogger Jeff said...
Milton Friedman is the one who pointed out that open borders and a welfare state will not work together.
Quite true. But that was meant as a criticism of the welfare state, not of open borders.
How do you know? Did you ask him ?
If there were no welfare state, I would be OK with open borders. We used to have that, you know. Mexicans came and went to work. Then they went home.
Read "Centennial," sometime.
The subject of Ann's post was the Pittsburgh synagogue massacre. I am talking about that, and other recent mass murders where the assailant chose church services as the venue for selecting his victims, whom the murderers did not even know.
I am talking about mass murders of anonymous citizens in church, so mass non-murders of public figures known to the assailant, crazy though that assailant might be, is not really the same thing at all.
This is true even though the guy who shot (but did not kill) Rep. Scalise, one James Hodgkinson, is himself an angry white christian male.
Angry white christian males kill lots of people who aren't at church at the moment of their demise, and they attempt unsuccessfully to kill many, many others. But those have not been the subject of any of my comments here. So please try to stay on topic.
@Robert Cook, Inga, Freder,
Fanatics and ignoramuses will never learn or accept that which belies their belief systems, but, for what it's worth:
No, it's more complicated than you side likes to believe.
The term "socialism" means the ownership or control of the means of production by the state. There is no particular need for that state to be organized along Marxist principles for it to be "true" socialism.
It was asked above "What did the Nazis nationalize?". Well, I'll get to that, but let me increase your level of discomfort first by pointing out that another supposedly "far right regime" Mussolini's Fascist Italy had the second largest percentage of state ownership of the means of production after the USSR in 1932. So, there's one "right-wing regime" that nationalized lots of industry.
There's a good reason for the Nazi's "failure" to implement the full range of their social paternalist program as outlined in their Party platform -- they were in power for 6 years before they were in a full out & out war. Let me explain.
Hitler comes into office in 1932, but doesn't consolidate power even within the Nazi Party until after the Night of the Long Knives in July, 1933. The Night of the Long Knives resolves the issue of if the Armed Forces will stay autonomous rather than go under the command of the SA, as the SA would have preferred. Hitler knows he cannot alienate the army officers because he thinks Germany will be at war soon, and even though the SA has more men under arms than the German Army (capped at 100,000 by the Treaty of Versailles), Hitler needs the professionals not the play-soldiers.
And here lies the reason why the Nazis never went full-on "Soviet-style" expropriative socialist: The Nazis studied the history of the Bolshevik Revolution & they knew that War Communism had destroyed the Soviet economy, thus forcing Lenin to introduce the New Economic Policy (NEP). The Nazis thought that their abrogation of the terms of the Treaty of Versailles (also a major part of the party platform) stood a very good chance of inciting France and/or Britain into armed action against Germany. This is in 1934/35, not 1939! But for the Nazis, the abrogation of Versailles was the key to military & economic recovery.
So, what did they do? They made peace with the hated Juncker aristocratic officer corps & they supported German industry as it was, because they were soon going to be at war. The Nazis started with the policies of the NEP, because they could not afford the chance of destroying their industrial base right before a war.
Angry white christian males kill lots of people who aren't at church at the moment of their demise,
Yeah, that's the way they won World War II.
@bbkingfish,
So, essentially you have no proof that any of the guys you call out as being "White Christian males" are "Christian". It is, after all, more difficult to discern than "white" & "male". It would just be so much easier if one of them had screamed "Ad majorem gloriam Dei!" during a massacre, wouldn't it? But. no such luck.
bbkingfish joined Blogger last September.
Hmmm ...
Frankly that's misusing the wo}d immoral.
I just love being blamed for things I have nothing to do with.
Thanks, leftists.
@MichealK,
I've read a lot of Milton Friedman's stuff. He was very much opposed to the welfare state, and favored the free movement of both people and goods across borders. He was not an anarchist but called himself a classical liberal, which is quite different from today's liberalism. Friedman favored freedom for both markets and people, and he had faith that free markets could and would ameliorate most social problems if only governments would let them.
What does whether or not they were "practicing" or "believing" have to do with anything?
I never said or implied that I thought they were "practicing" or "believing" Christians. In fact, if I had to guess, I would assume that these murderers weren't enthusiastic church goers, but that certainly wouldn't make them any less Christian. The bar among Christians, after all, is not terribly high for identifying oneself as Christian.
Christ, even Donald Trump claims to be Christian, but he's never "practiced," any religion at all, has he? Famously, the man couldn't even name his denomination during the election. Remember?
But Trump recently has, for political purposes I assume, taken to calling himself Christian, and all those evangelical "leaders" seem willing to play along, so Christian is what he is in my book.
So, until I hear that one of these church mass murderers is calling himself muslim, buddhist, hindu, or an avowed atheist, I'm thinking he's actually a good, old-fashioned, angry white male Christian mass murderer of church congregants.
That seems to be the only species of mass murderer of church congregants we grow in the USA, and no one here seems to take any issue with that, at least.
@bbkingfish,
What does whether or not they were "practicing" or "believing" have to do with anything?
Because you're the one who's claiming "white Christian male" constitute some sort of causative properties for mass murderers! But, you have no idea what the term "Christian" might mean except as some sort of catch-all bucket for your sociological hobby horse.
never said or implied that I thought they were "practicing" or "believing" Christians. In fact, if I had to guess, I would assume that these murderers weren't enthusiastic church goers, but that certainly wouldn't make them any less Christian.
According to who? You? Talk about assuming what is to be proved!
He was very much opposed to the welfare state, and favored the free movement of both people and goods across borders
I think I already posted that I would agree if there were no welfare state but there is.
The problem is that many Big L Libertarians, ignore that fact and still advocate open borders which attract the useless mouths that Democrats think will vote for them as soon as they can get them registered, as is happening in California. I would not be surprised if most of Hillary's plurality in CA was votes by illegals.
My wife's drivers' license expired on her January birthday 2016, the same year that illegals could get DLs. She could not get an appointment to renew until April.
The world is the way it is, not the way we wish it was.
Why is this style of mass assassination, in the House of the Lord, so particularly attractive to the angry, frustrated, Christian man of light complexion, do you think.
I don't know. Maybe it's the same attraction blacks had to gunning down cops when President Boyfriend stoked the flames?
bbkingfish: "What does whether or not they were "practicing" or "believing" have to do with anything?"
LOL
Annnnnnnnnndddddd we're done here.
I always enjoy when lefties refute themselves within the same thread.
It's much more efficient.
open borders which attract the useless mouths
Maybe.
that Democrats think will vote for them as soon as they can get them registered
Certainly.
There are three groups that want high-density population centers and population replacement: Democrats, businesses, and Pro-Choice/feminists.
The issues are the progress of anti-nativism, diversity, and immigration reform in lieu of emigration reform.
Who said anything about causative properties for mass murderers?
I merely pointed out some obvious common features exhibited within a particular sub-species of mass murderer in the USA, one that I can't remember seeing before the past few years, and, thus, was worthy of note. No need to go all super-defensive on me.
I said or implied nothing about causation. Please confine your critiques to things I actually say or do, and spare me the fruits of your hallucinations.
The problem is that many Big L Libertarians, ignore that fact and still advocate open borders which attract the useless mouths
You use phrases like "useless mouths", yet are surprised and shocked when we call you a Nazi.
bbkingfish: "Who said anything about causative properties for mass murderers?"
LOL
It just keeps getting better!
Freder: "You use phrases like "useless mouths", yet are surprised and shocked when we call you a Nazi."
Every republican since literally Dewey has been called a nazi. (Truman called Dewey a Nazi an a Communist!).
So, no. Why would anyone be surprised that a party full of Freders, who have access to the complete results of the Bundy trial which exposed govt corruption but continue to lie about it, would also call every republican alive a nazi?
It has literally been going on for 75 years.
So, no. Why would anyone be surprised that a party full of Freders, who have access to the complete results of the Bundy trial which exposed govt corruption but continue to lie about it.
I usually ignore these rants because they are off topic, but you have worn me down. Just because the BLM acted improperly and may have indeed harassed the Bundy's, does not excuse the Bundy's blatant criminality over many years (trespassing on federal lands and refusing to pay grazing fees) and taking up arms against the Federal government
Actually, according to the court, the BLM's behavior did precisely excuse the Bundy family and friends.
Do you often type things diametrically opposed to the truth and easily checkable, beside?
Actually, according to the court, the BLM's behavior did precisely excuse the Bundy family and friends.
No, the justice department's concealing pertinent facts about the behavior of federal agents made the judge throw the case out. In other words, they got off on a technicality (which the right used to despise).
Yeah, no. Conservatives believe in due process. When government uses its power to harm private citizens, we object. The Constitution is not a technicality. And frankly, I am unsurprised that a Leftist like yourself objects to constitutional protection of individual rights.
And what did the Justice Department hide from the court? The illegal behavior of BLM employees. That is as I stated. You are wrong on principle and on the facts.
It's a damned shame you are such a state-power-fucker that you cannot admit the plain facts.
First, overuse of a word, a verbal tic, is not an "obsession."
It indicates something they feel a need to emphasize. Trump says "frankly" a lot because he knows people rightly think he's a liar, and has to overcompensate by pretending that he's actually sincere. It usually indicates what the person knows they are weak in. In Trump's case, that weakness is honesty.
Second, 11 people were shot to death; who cares about Trump's repetition of a word?
People who want to do something about the policies that this Jewkiller of a president pushes for despite their link to a 50% rise in anti-semitic hate incidents.
I like to do language analysis, but 11 people were murdered. What seems like an "obsession" here is the desire to get after Trump with anything and everything that comes up. Can you just stop for one day?
Can you just stop absolving him of everything that he does for one day?
No, you can't. This head-in-the-sand bullshit stops today. Worst anti-semitic massacre in U.S. history. Something's going on and you're going to keep hearing about it - whether you like it or not.
Another left wing thread, complete with Ritmo and Freder.
"Yeah, no. Conservatives believe in due process. When government uses its power to harm private citizens, we object."
Did you object to the detention of prisoners in Gitmo for years without being tried or charged, (even though the military knew early on most of them were innocent of any acts against the U.S.)? Did you object to our use of torture in Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, and elsewhere, (resulting in several reported deaths)?
Yeah, no.
Another left wing thread, complete with Ritmo and Freder.
What a fucking paranoid moron. One comment of mine and he deems my ownage of it.
That's how impotent the guy is.
Let me put you out of your misery, K. Let's meet in person and I can fail you with a shovel upside your fat face.
It will be a lot less humiliating than my pointing out all your molecular biology failures.
I bit late to the thread, but I recently had exchanges with two different Twitter personalities (David Simon and Ken "Popehat" White) on Trump's relations to Jews, Israel, etc., and received some fairly outsized reactions:
David Simon
Popehat
Interesting, Lawrence. I had a similar experience with Patrick Frey, who I have known for years.
He attacked me for some disagreements and, I believe he has blocked any comments from me now.
TDS, like Max Boot's, is resistant to any evidence of a successful presidency
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