And why did 5,000 people in Honduras suddenly mobilize into what ends up working as a giant pro-Trump demonstration?
The official Democratic talking point seems to be that Trump is the one changing the subject:
Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) issued a statement over the weekend saying Trump was “desperate to change the subject from health care to immigration because he knows that health care is the number one issue Americans care about.”But those 5,000 people are real, aren't they? Are Schumer and Pelosi calling them fake news?
The most-liked comment at WaPo is:
HEY wake up...the caravan could be funded by GOP operatives to bring up the immigration issue before the vote in NOV...you know the OCT Surprise...someone should investigate this...Serious...Karl Rove pulled this in 2004 with gay marriageSounds really desperate to bring up Karl Rove. Somebody else says:
Absolutely right. Paying refugees is much cheaper than running ads. And all that free media coverage of skinny mothers and their babies will scare the hell out of Trump's brain dead followers.That sounds nutty, but the whole situation feels nutty. These people are so helpful to Trump, but they can't be motivated by a desire to help Trump, unless they're not what they appear to be. It brings out the conspiracy thinking, which — like everything, apparently — also helps Trump.
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It does seem odd that this horde of people would be marching toward America's border to...do what? Try to cross over?
They have to be aware of what has been happening in the past year or more, and must know they will fail, if their goal is to find haven (or sneak into) America.
I thought the obvious interpretation here was that this was an attempt by Dems to gin up Hispanic enthusiasm which has been lagging. See here: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/13/latino-turnout-democrats-midterms-898556
In that interpretation, the conspiracy has something to do with Dem money (Soros!) and once again, an epic failure to understand Trump and how to hurt him.
”HEY wake up...the caravan could be funded by GOP operatives to bring up the immigration issue before the vote in NOV”
Could be funded by space aliens.
Well it could...
What skinny mothers and their babies? All I've seen is men.
Could someone please poll these marchers to find how many support gay marriage?
"They [college professors] also have to pledge in writing a commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusivity.”
AKA Loyalty oaths.
...desperate to change the subject from health care...
How can Trump possible change the subject from health care, when health care was not the subject to start with?
Karl Rove paid for a caravan of refugees to come to America to get gay married? I missed that one.
Why not come. It's cooler temperatures and better walking weather.
The last group of marchers made it across the border.the Trump administration blinked and this is the result.
Build the dang wall!
--John McCain
Limbaugh said $20m to run the Immigrant Invasion Army. The MSM should follow the money.
I thought the obvious interpretation here was that this was an attempt by Dems to gin up Hispanic enthusiasm which has been lagging.
This makes zero sense to me. I live in South Texas in a city that is 65% Hispanic, and when the 'caravan' is reported on in local media the comments are full of people with Hispanic surnames saying, essentially, "Send the )(#*$ national guard. Shoot them on sight." Why on earth would Hispanic American citizen voters want a flood of illegal Central Americans crashing the gates, any more than non-Hispanics would?
pants is right - very few women and fewer children, just men who appear to be in their twenties and thirties.
Changing the Federal laws is not going to help if the fundamental attitude is that Federal laws can be ignored by any state not liking them for one reason or another.
And of course the principle presumably carries downward so that any municipality can ignore state laws its residents do not like and any resident can ignore local ordinances he does not like.
But then we may run up against who can command the largest and most ferocious mob ...
Blogger Robert Cook said...
It does seem odd that this horde of people would be marching toward America's border to...do what? Try to cross over?
Come on Cookie. You know better than this. These people are being recruited with the assumption that they can flood the zone at the border. They've been doing this before with left wing lawyers coaching them their stories. This is a TV special. They walk during the day for the cameras and reporters and ride at night.
Actually why not send the military to build the wall. There is a large group of military aged males marching to enter the country with or without consent. We used to call that an invasion.
Send the military to build the wall. Screw Congress. Screw the courts and screw environment laws.
They should all be allowed in and bused to sanctuary cities, preferably in Pelosi's and Waters' neighborhoods.
And remittances should be stopped. The nearly half-billion dollars that Honduras receives annually in USD. Mexico, Guatemala and Honduras have a profitable scheme going on with emigration. Let's stop it and the mass southern border problem will cease. Then we'll only have the drug cartels to deal with.
I learned the other day from the wife of a border patrol agent that, since the border checkpoint facility is on US soil, a person reaching the border checkpoint found to be crossing illegally must be detained, 'processed' and released as there is nowhere to put detainees. Fewer than one percent show up for their hearing.
"A republic ma'am - if you can keep it."
Well, 230 years has been a pretty good run, anyway.
Fun Country.
I Have Misplaced My Pants said...
This makes zero sense to me.
It makes zero sense if you think of Hispanic Americans as individuals who care about their families, their communities, and their Country. It makes a lot of sense if you see Hispanics as a collective ethnic group that processes all information through its effect on the group. Which is how Democrat leadership sees everything and everyone.
It does seem odd that this horde of people would be marching toward America's border to...do what? Try to cross over?
And what kind of "huddled masses yearning to breath free" would stage a burning of the flag of the country they long to enter? It's all theater. And not very effective.
Yes, it is simply amazing that an army can be marching on our southern border and the mainstream press shows NO CURIOSITY into its origin or functioning. As for me, until proven otherwise, I will assume there is no fucking way that there isn't a bunch of progressive money and a small army of goddamn NGO do-gooders running the logistics. Trump should start by buzzing the column with fighter planes. It would bolster our resolve, terrify the marchers and send a message to the Mexicans.
When Dems attacked Kavanaugh they thought American voters would sympathize with the designated victim Ford. They were wrong. Instead voters thought, Wow. I did some some really stupid stuff when I was young. I sure wouldn't want anyone to bring all that to light now.
Many also thought, OMG. My kid was an idiot in high school. I thought he'd drive me crazy with his stupid stunts. I sure hope nobody comes along 30 years from now and ruins his life over it.
This caravan thing, which was doubtless funded by left wing activists, shows a similar lack of understanding about how most Americans think. Most Americans don't live and work in a college campus bubble.
One would think that if someone could just explain to them what a racist country they are heading toward, they would disband and go back home.
There is a desperate need for emigration reform to mitigate the risks and losses of immigration reform, and improve the condition of the men, women, and children left behind.
Robert Cook said...
They have to be aware of what has been happening in the past year or more, and must know they will fail, if their goal is to find haven (or sneak into) America.
The more tangible issue is the gang violence, poverty, and military crackdown in Honduras. Refugees are motivated first by conditions where they are. Where they can go is secondary.
Interesting article in the San Diego Tribune.
* The organizing group for the caravan is Pueblo Sin Fronteras.
* The caravans have been staged for years; this one is notable for its size.
* A similar caravan in April entered Mexico with 1,000 refugees. That number shrank to 200 by the time the caravan reached the United States.
* "Pueblo Sin Fronteras runs two migrant shelters on the U.S. border, in the towns of Sonoita and Caborca in the state of Sonora."
* They are actively negotiating with the Mexican government to be granted asylum status
So Dems recognize the illegal immigrant caravan is bad optics for them due to how voters will react? And that is the only problem to the Dems not the illegal caravan itself?
So a horde of over 7000 people marching with no place to sleep, go to the bathroom or eat are getting here right before the mid terms waving the flag of Honduras and we are supposed to open our borders and greet them with open arms?? OPEN your eyes and see that an invasion is coming, and the MSM will make the stories about the evil way the Nasty Americans are treating them. WHY come here if we are so evil, oppressive and racist?? Stay in Mexico.
just men who appear to be in their twenties and thirties.
as Bill the Texan points out, the correct term for these guys is
Military Aged Males
OTOH, if the purpose of the caravan is to induce some panic at the border that results in some very photogenic images even at the expense of some marchers being injured or losing their lives, then the objectives of the organizers of the march will be met.
There is video, pictures and one video that includes audio of a "refugee" receiving cash to join the crowd heading north.
This is without doubt politically motivated and funded.
The National Guard in 6 states should be mobilized and the border closed once it approaches. I am not squeamish.
If conservatives were anything like the people liberals describe I would not be one either.
USA, or America is a unique identifier, too.
Stopping , or taxing remittances is an excellent idea since many, if not most, are coming from cash payments for services that evade taxes at the origin.
I wonder if tax evasion laws could be used to verify that remittances come from funds that have paid taxes ?
”I learned the other day from the wife of a border patrol agent that, since the border checkpoint facility is on US soil, a person reaching the border checkpoint found to be crossing illegally must be detained, 'processed' and released as there is nowhere to put detainees. Fewer than one percent show up for their hearing.”
We should use the army to commandeer the first 50 feet of Mexico.
The whole argument that wall won't help is BS - unfortunately, the media and the Democratic leadership keeps promulgating it, and most of the Democrats are either too stupid to realize it, or complicit in the BS. It will not completely stop the illegal entrants, but it will obviously help. And Trump is absolutely right that the Democrats should be blamed for this.
I learned the other day from the wife of a border patrol agent that, since the border checkpoint facility is on US soil, a person reaching the border checkpoint found to be crossing illegally must be detained, 'processed' and released as there is nowhere to put detainees. Fewer than one percent show up for their hearing.
The breathless reporting always ignores the facts.
Mexicans can be sent back to Mexico. No debate,
If they are from a country that does not share a boarder with the US. They must be 'processed' they have legal rights, appearances before judges, ruling on motions, and status identification. This is where the separation issues rears its head. You cant detain children with adults, for more than a few days (arbitrarily determined by a judge), so they get separated from their parents/adults.
Also refugee status is requested from the consulate in your native country. Young adult males don't qualify for refugee status. That never gets mentioned either.
While we are seeking the organizer of the caravan, let us not forget those other secret Trump agents, Diane Feinstein and the witches of Brooklyn.
There is video, pictures and one video that includes audio of a "refugee" receiving cash to join the crowd heading north.
You have to be pretty poor to accept a wad of cash to uproot yourself and move to another country.
Of course refugee organizations like Pueblo Sin Fronteras are political. Crossing national borders is a political act.
Why do they continue on to the U.S.? Because being impoverished in Mexico is probably not much of an improvement over being impoverished in Honduras.
If only they truly yearned to be free and left their left wing politics behind. Schumer and Pelosi would have built the wall a decade ago. Just like Obama shut the door to Cubans, who really do want freedom.
another iowan says: "Mexicans can be sent back to Mexico. No debate,
If they are from a country that does not share a boarder with the US. They must be 'processed' they have legal rights,"
This is why illegal immigration from from mexico has been replaced by illegal immigration from central america. Not many mexicans cross anymore, and tell me again why a 2nd gen mexican american should be glad that central americans have come to take his job?
Robert Cook said...”They have to be aware of what has been happening in the past year or more, and must know they will fail, if their goal is to find haven (or sneak into) America.”
Really, Robert? I thought you were knowledgeable than this. Here is the your answer:
Blogger mockturtle said...”I learned the other day from the wife of a border patrol agent that, since the border checkpoint facility is on US soil, a person reaching the border checkpoint found to be crossing illegally must be detained, 'processed' and released as there is nowhere to put detainees. Fewer than one percent show up for their hearing.”
This is my understanding also, just from watching the news. Do you have some knowledge that rebuts this, Robert?
Iowan2, I suspect you don't live on our southern border. What you report may be technically true in the legal sense but is NOT the reality of the current situation.
Educate me mockturtle
On the other hand, Robert Frost's "The Need of Being Versed in Country Things" was about cunts.
MS13.2
Why do they continue on to the U.S.?
Because they were invited and the march organized and funded from here.
Bob Boyd is right.
This is very much like the Kavanaugh-maneuver.
Democratic candidates are recognizing, now, that it was counterproductive.
Mike and John are right, the objective is to flood the zone in order to create drama and martyrs on the border. The child-separation thing was probably seen as successful agitprop. A much larger instance timed for the election seemed like a good idea, probably.
And Democratic candidates also recognize, now, that this too is likely to be counterproductive.
According to Frontera con Justica, there are:
2622 men
2234 women
1070 boys
1307 girls
That's not how it looks in the pictures, but it is hard to tell from just photos. It would make sense for women and children to stay together for security, so that would mean there would also be large groups of just men. Still, the only photos I could find of women looked like small groups of them while photos of the caravan as a whole looked mostly male.
I found that link on reddit's Out of the Loop. Reddit tends to lean left, so the sentiment here surprised me a little.
Democrats sponsor an invasion of the US.
The Blue Wave becomes the Blue Dampness.
"And why did 5,000 people in Honduras suddenly mobilize into what ends up working as a giant pro-Trump demonstration?"
Why, oh, why? Progs doing the prog thing for prog purposes, using the poor as pawns.
But seriously, progs, apart from the anti-Trump theater, what is the point of bringing all those brown people to raaacist Amerikkka? Or does the fact that the caravan doesn't want asylum in Guatemala or Costa Rica or Mexico tell us that the USA is actually, you know, superior?
It’s beautiful to see the msm mesmerized by Trump.
Caravan news every hour on the hour.
Like 3-6 thousand people is a huge number....
Meanwhile in America baseball stadiums routinely fill with 40k fans in an hour.
Ace has a long post on the "caravan" today.
In a startling revelation, Guatemala's president announced in the country's largest newspaper that nearly 100 ISIS terrorists have been apprehended in the impoverished Central American nation. Why should Americans care about this? A caravan of Central American migrants is making its way north. Let's not forget that Guatemala is one of the countries that bombarded the U.S. with illegal immigrant minors under Barack Obama's open border free-for-all. They came in droves from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala through the Mexican border and for years Uncle Sam rolled out the welcome mat offering housing, food, medical treatment and a free education
I think this is going to be another Democrat "own goal" as they are drawing attention to the real #1 voter issue.
The President ran and won on this very issue. From a political standpoint, what Soros and the Dems hope will turn into an October surprise to defeat the GOP has the potential to bury them not only in 2 weeks but in 2020 and perhaps beyond. Aside from sending the military and physically sealing our border, after declaring a national state of emergency the President should also:
1. Suspend all granting of asylum at the border
2. Cut all military, economic and other aid to the countries involved in this
3. Freeze all assets and all bank transactions of the countries involved
4. Freeze all wire transfers of cash from the US to the countries involved (this alone is huge)
5. Freeze the assets and revoke 501C-3 status of every organization and individual known to be involved in this
6. Deport George Soros to Malaysia or Hungary and seize his assets
I would say #6 is optional but fun to consider. Actually, I think he still has an estate down there. Or used to have.
Schu-Losi now desperate to change the subject from "immigration" to health care.
Why, it's like making the caravan bigger somehow isn't better optics.
Crazy, right?
Sorry if I'm the pessimist here, but I can't see how this ends well. There is no way to stop 10,000 people who want to enter short of violence. As noted, most of this "mob" seem to be adult males. Among them are undoubtedly some whose job it is to provoke confrontation.
The alternative is to simply let them walk in, but this just encourages more such marches.
No good outcomes here.
Why do they continue on to the U.S.? Because being impoverished in Mexico is probably not much of an improvement over being impoverished in Honduras.
So, you agree this is economic.
News flash. Economic reasons are not a valid asylum matter.
Capture the border crossers and relocate them to Syria.
I expect Hurricane Willa to take care of Soros' Caravan of Democratic Party Voters.
And that would be a shame, a dirty rotten cryin' shame.
Michael K: 4. Freeze all wire transfers of cash from the US to the countries involved (this alone is huge)
As I noted above, nearly half a billion USD last year to Honduras, alone. This is profitable for these countries and we are being played for fools by letting it happen.
ABC network news last night could only find women and children in the caravan.
The most-liked comment at WaPo is:
"HEY wake up...the caravan could be funded by GOP operatives to bring up the immigration issue before the vote in NOV."
I noticed that this is today's talking point. It's everywhere. Guess the NPCs' masters are now worried that this latest propaganda stunt that they've funded and organized might be helping Trump.
Of course, tomorrow is another day, and they could recover their investment: if the caravan manages to straggle on to the border, the organizers will gin up the "kids in cages" hysteria again, and the "GOP operatives" narrative will be abandoned by Top-Rated Comment and his peers in obedience to the new directive from Outrage Central Headquarters.
skinny mothers
In 2016, female obesity prevalence for Honduras was 26.9 %. Female obesity prevalence of Honduras increased from 15.4 % in 1997 to 26.9 % in 2016 growing at an average annual rate of 2.98 %.
In 2016, female obesity prevalence for Guatemala was 26.4 %. Female obesity prevalence of Guatemala increased from 15.8 % in 1997 to 26.4 % in 2016 growing at an average annual rate of 2.74 %.
We're gonna need a lot of foil to wrap those fatties.
I just might have an idea on how to stop these caravans from forming again. When this one shows up, let them in and put them on buses, drive all of them to San Francisco CA, and drop them off downtown.
If a 100 pound female Honduran grew at an average annual rate of 2.98 % she'd weigh 434 pounds after 50 years. Sounds reasonable.
When I think of caravans, I think of the circus.
This is just the Dems eating themselves. The organizers of this march are non-profit groups in the US who care about these issues, and think, naively, that pushing them to the breaking point will help. Think PETA going to a burger joint in a swing state and splashing blood on people. It's just the unhelpful actions of uncontrollable ideologues. No conspiracy. I guarantee you the organizers are white people, just out of college, who fear no repercussions.
My thought here is that the organizers need to be rebranded as coyotes and prosecuted, they need to be taught a lesson.
I've watched a little bit of Mexican live Youtube coverage and, from the comments, ordinary Mexicans do not seem happy about this. One suggestion was to build a wall at their southern border and make Guatemala pay for it.
it could be funded by dem operatives and it could be funded by republican operatives. Most people agree that the caravan greatly benefits the republicans. It doesn't take a political genius to figure that out. So why again are most of the commentators so sure the dems are behind it? Because the dems are idiots and the republicans would never be so devious? Come on. Get real.
And remittances should be stopped.
To MEXICO. That money only trails oil as a source of hard currency to Mexico.
The MSM says Mexico can not stop the caravan. Utter BS. As noted above they are not walking to the US, unless we assume they won't be here until 2019, leaving a trail of deae and dying. They are being driven here. (That may help explain the young men dominance in photos. They don't bother off loading all the women and children for the photo-op/walking segments). The Mexican government could simply seize any vehicle used and impound it for a few days. Poof, the "march" ends.
When I think of caravans, I think of the circus.
I lie back and think of England.
Actually I do except for the lying back part which I was lying about, because when I was in "Old Blighty" long ago they were having an anti-caravaning campaign, a caravan being a bunch of cars etc traveling together, probably Irish Travelers now that I think of England again without lying back. And put your cream back in the 'fridge!
I've been reading the news reports in Guatemala and it seems that this was all organized by an ex-Honduran lawmaker (Bartolo Fuentes) who has organized caravans before. Usually migrants don't get a lot of news coverage in Honduras--the elite media in Honduras doesn't really care a whole lot about the people who migrate to the US.
For example, most of the coverage about central americans who were deported while their childern were still in US custody, and who don't know how or when they'll get their kids back? That's mostly been done by US-based news organizations or places like Al Jazeera or the Guardian. Imagine if an American were deported from China and the Chinese government had their kids still in custody--CNN would be all over it. But not so in central america.
Anyway, the point is, usually the Honduran media don't pay much attention to migrants. But according to this Daily Beast article, the only reason that this particular caravan snowballed the way it did, is because they interviewed Bartolo Fuentes and they said he would pay for all the costs: https://www.thedailybeast.com/forget-trump-hysteria-heres-how-the-migrant-caravan-crisis-really-began
"Michael K: 4. Freeze all wire transfers of cash from the US to the countries involved (this alone is huge)"
The interesting thing, living this part of the year in AZ, a border state, is that about a year and a half ago, the Walmart right by the house did a little remodeling. It used to be that I would delay returning stuff, because the lines at Customer Service were so long. But then they moved the financial stuff out, into its own bay, and the line disappeared over at Customer Service. You no longer had to wait through a bunch of people who didn't read that well trying to figure out the complicated Western Union form. They had their own bay, their own lines, bilingual clerks, etc.
Freeze all wire transfers from people legally in this country - even citizens -- to their relatives in Central America? Come on. We can do better than that. Let's confiscate the money.
Btw erdigans speech was jemal atarurks vault,
We can do better than that. Let's confiscate the money.
Oh, I remember when Democrats, back when they ran Congress, were considering confiscating 401 ks.
The people who organize these caravans should be charged with human trafficking.
Some people freak out when reality refutes them.
The big liberal activist money people (like George Soros) may have made an error with this whole migrant caravan border invasion maneuver. It's even possible they may have even just cost the Democrats their chance at the house. We'll see soon enough if Trump once again has successfully evaded the torpedo meant for him and caused it to go cicling back around to the Dems.
I will always Capitalize the Word "caravan". Starting NOW.
So why again are most of the commentators so sure the dems are behind it? Because the dems are idiots and the republicans would never be so devious? Come on. Get real.
Says the Democrat who knows better.
I suspect Democrats don't want the issue to be healthcare. I've read that premiums aren't expected to go up as much this year, though they had been planning to say Trump ruined Obamacare. What are they going to talk about?
The Dems in my area seem to be talking a lot about pre-existing conditions and possibly medicare for all, which isn't going to happen without a huge tax increase. Of course, they are also running against tax increases. So......hello, migrant caravan.
"huddled masses yearning to breath free"
Shut up with the Zeroth Amendment already. That's a poem, not law.
"We should use the army to commandeer the first 50 feet of Mexico."
No, we should take over the entire country, and then some. Mexico and Central America are shithole countries, failed states that need toppling.
"The official Democratic talking point seems to be that Trump is the one changing the subject:
Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) issued a statement over the weekend saying Trump was “desperate to change the subject from health care to immigration because he knows that health care is the number one issue Americans care about.”But those 5,000 people are real, aren't they? Are Schumer and Pelosi calling them fake news?"
Don't you find it charming that Schumer and Pelosi think that they can decide what subject Americans are talking about? They never specified though who made them king and queen. And seriously, do they really want to talk about how badly they screwed up our healthcare system with Obamacare? They can talk all they want about health care, but they are going to be mostly ignored by their MSM buddies, hopping to distract the voting public from the reality that a vote for the Democrats is a vote for slimy Schumer and wacko Pelosi, and that her first order of business, if she becomes Speaker, again is impeachment. Besides, they should know by now that Trump talks about what Trump wants to talk about, and not what they want to talk about.
My pet peeve there is that Jon Tester hasn't really been called on the falsity of his blaming his opponent, as insurance commissioner, on the increase in health insurance prices caused by Obamacare, that Tester voted for.
Elections are often compared to horse racing. Favorite, dark horse, ringer, in the lead, mudslinging...
There's one thing that's usually true in a stakes race — the horse that's first out of the gate is seldom the first under the wire.
Yes, it is simply amazing that an army can be marching on our southern border and the mainstream press shows NO CURIOSITY into its origin or functioning.
I conclude if the media isn't curious as to the source of the uprising, it's because they already know.
DADT isn't just a gay thing.
Char Char,
You don't want to take over Mexico and Central America. They would be extremely expensive white elephants. Theres a reason colonialism went out of fashion, and it had nothing to do with morals or ethics.
There are places in the world worth having as colonies, but not these places.
Trump was “desperate to change the subject from health care to immigration
To change the subject, you have to start it.
I live in a blue state with a one-party government and a compliant media. Not a peep about healthcare.
Desperate to pivot the discussion FROM healthcare?!? From HEALTHCARE?!!
Oh, let's DO talk about healthcare. Let us have long discussions on how the PPACA is doing.
Trump was “desperate to change the subject from health care to immigration
Actually, Trump is changing the subject from immigration to tax cuts.
Once again the Dems aren't in on the game.
Jersey Fled
Nope, no good outcomes — as far as most of us are concerned. But some people want incendiary pictures to use against Trump. They want dead children, as long as they have pictures.
Who? Find out who helped organize and pay for this. As you say, it’s easy to see that kind of thing happening is predictable.
Trump: Evil Genius enough to disguise paying thousands of people to march to the border, or too stupid to not pay a hooker with what amounts to basically a credit card?
You decide.
"In a startling revelation, Guatemala's president announced in the country's largest newspaper that nearly 100 ISIS terrorists have been apprehended in the impoverished Central American nation. Why should Americans care about this?"
More pertinent, why should Americans believe this? What details does Guatemala's president provide to show they apprehended 100 persons at all? That's a suspiciously round number. Or, if they did, that they were terrorists, and, more specifically, ISIS terrorists? How did 100 ISIS terrorists turn up in Guatemala?
All anyone has to do to get (some) Americans all het up is to use the words "terrorist" and/or "ISIS," among others, and the cowards and hysterics among us shit themselves to impose martial law to protect the homeland.
Of course, this tactic is growing stale and its effects are waning. This is why Russia has been made, once again, the great existential evil and mastermind plotters of America's doom...all the better to justify the theft of our tax dollars to increase the riches and power of the spy agencies, the War Department, the arms manufacturers, and all those associated in any which way to one or several of these entities.
And seriously, do they really want to talk about how badly they screwed up our healthcare system with Obamacare?
Let's tune in to Bernie and "Medicare for all."
Under Title VIII, Section 801 of the Medicare for All Act of 2017, the bill specifies that "no employee benefit plan may provide benefits that duplicate payment for any items or services for which payment may be made under Medicare." In other words, employers are prohibited from covering workers, retirees and their families.
Medicare already imposes all sorts of restrictions on private health plans for seniors that would dare compete with or undercut Uncle Sam. This is what "single-payer" means.
Obamacare was supposed to include all workers with employer plans. The Democrats chickened out because they knew that if they banned employer insurance for 187 million people, they would be hunting Democrats with dogs, like Phil Gramm said.
They said "nearly 100," not "100 on the dot," which is why it is suspiciously round. Because it was rounded.
increase the riches and power of the spy agencies, the War Department, the arms manufacturers, and all those associated in any which way to one or several of these entities.
Cookie and his "Daddy Warbucks" arguments again. You are still not over Stalins death.
Robert Cook thinks that 'nearly 100' is 100, and that: is a suspiciously round number
would you have preferred if they'd said nearly 97?
Who should I think of and blame if I see a Pacifica, an Odyssey, or a Sienna?
This is why Russia has been made, once again, the great existential evil and mastermind plotters of America's doom.
Because of course, Russia and the USSR have always wanted to live in peace and harmony with the United States, holding hands and singing "I'd like to buy the world a Coke".
i have to learn to type faster, like Matthew :)
Nancy did not get thee memo. The subject for a lot of voters is Kavanaugh.
I know! The Russians are doing it in collusion with Trump! I'm sure Robert Mueller's on the case.
More likely, it really is an invasion, with women and children up front as human shields slash cannon fodder followed by hordes of young, male economic migrants with not a few MS-13 and ISIS types mixed in. It would be good to know who's handling the logistics.
Freeze all wire transfers from people legally in this country - even citizens -- to their relatives in Central America? Come on. We can do better than that. Let's confiscate the money.
We don't need to freeze it or confiscate it...but we sure as Hell should be taxing it...at least 25%.
"The Dems in my area seem to be talking a lot about pre-existing conditions and possibly medicare for all, which isn't going to happen without a huge tax increase. Of course, they are also running against tax increases. So......hello, migrant caravan."
Funny thing is that the Dem party elite, led by Scheamer and Palsy, have actually vowed to roll back the Trump tax cuts. Actually raising taxes would be political suicide, esp now, since it would very likely trigger a recession. Scheamer knows this, but Pelosi may not understand that, given how brain dead she has been in terms of economics (esp when trying to convince us that enriching Democrats at the public expense with their Porkulous Bill, was justified by the Keynesian multiplier of 4, 5, maybe even 6 - and hence the reality of the 8 year Obama Recession). She has, at least promised legislation of the Dems retake the House. The supposed unfairness of people keeping more of their own hard earned money plays well with their most economically illiterate and ignorant part of their base, the ones thinking still that our economy is driven by wishful thinking and unicorn farts. But the reality is that the money behind the call to roll back the Trump Tax Cuts comes from their well heeled constituents in NYC, SFC, LAX, DC, etc, who lost much of their SALT deduction. >99% of taxpayers don't care about the cap on SALT deductions, because it doesn't affect their taxes. But the <1% who are paying higher federal taxes, as a result, are screaming like the stuck pigs that they are, and are almost uniformly are big money Democrats in deep blue states.
Bartolo Fuentes of zelayas libre party (he's the one Obama tried to put back into power is organizing rhe caravans
"You don't want to take over Mexico and Central America. They would be extremely expensive white elephants. Theres a reason colonialism went out of fashion, and it had nothing to do with morals or ethics.
There are places in the world worth having as colonies, but not these places."
We already have Puerto Rico.
jaydub said...
pants is right - very few women and fewer children, just men who appear to be in their twenties and thirties.
10/23/18, 8:04 AM
That's the same demographic as the "refugees" who have been pouring into Europe. And, like the hordes in Europe, they appear to have the same contempt for the country they are "fleeing" to.
My guess is that the Left took a look at the pallid soy boys and the fat, pink-haired pussy hat brigade which make up the shock troops of the native-born resistance and realized they needed tougher reinforcements. The screechy hags pounding on the doors of the Supreme Court and middle class white boys acting out their "Street Fighting Man" fantasies won't cut it. If you really want to foment chaos and violence, you need people made of sterner stuff than the average Queer Studies major.
The reason it's assumed Democrat supporters are behind the caravan is because the media is giving it exposure and Democrats are being supportive of it. If this was something cooked up by Republican supporters, presumably somebody would have either leaked that fact to the press or tipped off the press and Democrats that the operation was a false flag.
I think the whole point is to get these folks to the border so that big bad Trump unleashes the military on them and it makes for an endless media sob-fest of screaming women and children for days ahead of the election.
The left is frequently tone deaf when it comes to the voters, so it's certainly possible they would think this caravan is a win-win for them. Assuming the caravan gets here before the election (there is a hurricane threatening to rain on the parade), I suspect they are rather clueless that allowing Trump to put action behind his #1 issue from 2016 is going to backfire spectacularly, even if the usual suspects in the media and the UN howl.
"at least 25%". And why is not that confiscation? you guys claim to be for low taxes and against government interference in the economy but it's all a crock of s~~t. You just don't want the government to interfere in your finances. Perfectly ok if it interferes in someone else's finances.
Any one find it the least bit troubling that the government monitors what we do with our money?
Maybe the thing to do is to require a 25% "withholding tax" on remittances.
Then the sender could prove that taxes were paid and that he is a citizen while doing so.
"huddled masses yearning to breath free"
Yeah, we've all seen those pictures of Italians, Poles and Irish burning the American flag on the decks of the ships bringing them to America.
You just don't want the government to interfere in your finances.
You mean like Democrats appropriating 401 ks ?
Yes I remember Theresa at the new school had a plan to do just that (last name escapes)
I learned the other day from the wife of a border patrol agent that, since the border checkpoint facility is on US soil, a person reaching the border checkpoint found to be crossing illegally must be detained, 'processed' and released as there is nowhere to put detainees.
There should be buses on standby to drive them back over the border.
OT:
Would Obamacare have passed if CNN ran this chyron back then?
Most people agree that the caravan greatly benefits the republicans.
Do they? Well, as it happens, I attend (sing in the choir of) a very liberal church in Santa Cruz, California, which actually runs a mission down on the border somewhere — and they're all in to welcoming the poor migrants down there when they arrive. How come none of them seem to have any idea that it's all a Republican ploy?
"Then the sender could prove that taxes were paid and that he is a citizen while doing so."
Gee -- I always thought there was a presumption of innocence and it was up to the government to prove that someone had committed a crime.
Ghillarducci, she's the confiscator.
Any one find it the least bit troubling that the government monitors what we do with our money?
You mean the IRS, DOJ, FEC, suspicious activity reports, business expenses, tax deductions, State revenue departments, casino winning reports, 1099, sin taxes, and etc, etc.
But how dare we suggest illegals need to pay a taxes and to discourage the activity.
Funny thing is that the Dem party elite, led by Scheamer and Palsy, have actually vowed to roll back the Trump tax cuts. Actually raising taxes would be political suicide, esp now, since it would very likely trigger a recession. Scheamer knows this, but Pelosi may not understand that, given how brain dead she has been in terms of economics (esp when trying to convince us that enriching Democrats at the public expense with their Porkulous Bill, was justified by the Keynesian multiplier of 4, 5, maybe even 6 - and hence the reality of the 8 year Obama Recession). She has, at least promised legislation of the Dems retake the House
Agreed.
But here (MI) they say the Trump tax cuts raised taxes on the middle class and cut taxes for the wealthy. Also there is something called the "age tax" in their ads. I haven't taken the trouble to figure out what that is supposed to refer to, because I won't give them the joy of seeing their google search words count rise.
Any one find it the least bit troubling that the government monitors what we do with our money?
You know Dennis Hastert was arrested, charged, and convicted for transferring sums of money under the $10,000 threshold for banks reporting wire transfers? That was his crime. Let's talk about the government monitoring what we do with our money.
steve uhr said...
"Then the sender could prove that taxes were paid and that he is a citizen while doing so."
Gee -- I always thought there was a presumption of innocence and it was up to the government to prove that someone had committed a crime.
I guess Steve has never been audited or tried to cross the border and was forced to show a passport.
"But how dare we suggest illegals need to pay a taxes and to discourage the activity."
I believe the suggestion was that all money transfers to central america be stopped. Whether the person sending the money is illegal or not is not relevant. So if you - a citizen I assume - had an ailing mother in Honduras dependent on your financial assistance you could not help her with YOUR money. I don't think that is a just way to punish Honduras for "allowing" this caravan, but of course everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Gee -- I always thought there was a presumption of innocence and it was up to the government to prove that someone had committed a crime.
Tell you what...try to take $15,000 in cash out of the country, get searched and then get back to me about what happens to the money.
LOL at "nearly 100" being "a suspiciously round number". But that is precisely the sort of thing nearly the entire Democrat narrative relies on.
Trump owns immigration.
Not all that long ago, the D's owned Christine Ballsey Ford. They tossed her into the ditch quicker than you can say "exit, stage left".
The D's couldn't read tea leaves if they were written in all CAPS.
at least 25%". And why is not that confiscation?
The same reason why it's not confiscation when the state of California and the federal government does it to me.
10,000 people moving on a known border is not refugee caravan. It is an army. Wars and violence have precipitated for far far less.
There are cases of refugee groups moving through foreign lands under stress, but they were always sent packing until they found "home". The Jews come to mind.
Also the Samians...
In an account from Herodotus, "When the banished Samians reached Sparta, they had audience of the magistrates, before whom they made a long speech, as was natural with persons greatly in want of aid." When it was over, the Spartans averred that they could no longer remember the first half of their speech, and thus "could make nothing of the remainder. Afterwards the Samians had another audience, whereat they simply said, showing a bag which they had brought with them, 'The bag wants flour.' The Spartans answered that they did not need to have said 'the bag'; however, they resolved to give them aid."
Yes. Aid. And then sent them packing.
In other words, when they get here they can receive food, water, temporary shelter, and an armed multi-Brigade Combat Team escort North into Canada.
So the government doesn't have to prove that you violated U.S. law? I always learn something on this blog.
This link to BBC might help you get some perspective and over-come you fear of the Brown people/terrorist:
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-45951102
I did read last week somewhere that this kind of caravan happens every year. So I'm left pondering: Why is it being so publicized this year?
I can only think that the (leftwing) Media miscalculated once again, thinking publicity here would hurt Trump. They really are clueless if that's the case. What a bubble they must be in.
You can't move that amount of humanity without some serious logistical support. We're talking about almost an infantry division marching North, violating borders of several sovereign nations. Sounds kind of 'invasionsy' to me. Don't let the few women and children fool you, they were with Napoleon in Russia too.
So the government doesn't have to prove that you violated U.S. law? I always learn something on this blog.
U.S. law enforcement confiscates money and property every day without proving a crime was committed.
I'm against double taxation, so I don't think it is wise to tax money being sent by Western Union. I understand the policy reason for wanting to do it, but using taxes as a proxy for behavioral modification is, generally, something conservatives frown on.
State side outlets as well as the British papers are useless:
https://mobile.twitter.com/aykan_erdemir/status/1054695975267250177
My favorite part of all this is the caravan leaders shouting "No one will stop us, only God" (made into the USA Today headline on their story) just as a Category 5 hurricane is taking aim at them. I suspect there won't be any "Okay, so God stopped us" followup stories. More likely "Trump unleashes hurricane against poor brown people without evidence." Yeah, I know that last bit makes no sense, but it's in the MSM stylebook to add "without evidence" to every headline that has the name "Trump" in it.
using taxes as a proxy for behavioral modification is, generally, something conservatives frown on.
How about "behavioral modification" like paying taxes?
Do you really think those remittances are with after tax dollars ?
"U.S. law enforcement confiscates money and property every day without proving a crime was committed."
Yep! Civil asset forfeiture. Theft by a fancier name. A tool of oppression and lawlessness.
If they aren't, then that's a difference problem.
Does GTMO have space?
Blogger steve uhr said...
So the government doesn't have to prove that you violated U.S. law? I always learn something on this blog.
So, with holding tax is proving you violated US law ?
I learn something everyday from you, Steve.
Tell you what...try to take $15,000 in cash out of the country, get searched and then get back to me about what happens to the money.
Unless you’re Somali flying out of Minneapolis.
Difference, different -- at this point, what differential does it make?
I'm against double taxation,
I get double taxed each year...first the federal government taxes my income, then the state of California does.
"So the government doesn't have to prove that you violated U.S. law?"
-- Fun fact, the IRS has rules where you pay first, then litigate.
Madison the Dems didn't start the Pr battle but Fuientes who has been helping these caravans form for protection against the coyotes because of conditions like this: “We are in the middle of a crisis in Honduras,” said Fuentes’ wife Dunia Montoya, who shares her husband’s academic aura and is also a journalist and migration activist. “In Honduras 300 people leave daily. What frightens the world is the accumulation of a week or two of people that concentrated together, but in Honduras we have been living in a humanitarian crisis since long ago."
"I get double taxed each year...first the federal government taxes my income, then the state of California does."
-- That's not quite the same; different entities are taxing the same pool of money for different services. That's quite different from say, an inheritance tax where either of those taxes post-tax earnings just because you died.
I believe the suggestion was that all money transfers to central america be stopped.
That's one. My suggestion was a 25% withholding tax until proof that taxes had been paid and the sender was a legal resident.
"My suggestion was a 25% withholding tax until proof that taxes had been paid and the sender was a legal resident."
-- This is maybe more workable than a flat tax on the money gram or whatever or completely stopping it.
The coming Mexican cat 5 hurricane will wash the caravan back to Honduras.
It's heading right for them.
The statement:
steve uhr said...
"at least 25%". And why is not that confiscation? you guys claim to be for low taxes and against government interference in the economy but it's all a crock of s~~t. You just don't want the government to interfere in your finances. Perfectly ok if it interferes in someone else's finances.
Any one find it the least bit troubling that the government monitors what we do with our money?
10/23/18, 10:34 AM
The walkback after criticism:
I believe the suggestion was that all money transfers to central america be stopped.
Then Roesch pipes in with a completely novel approach of calling opponents racist for fearing "brown" people and then links an article from the BBC(!) Basically calling Guatemala president a liar for talking about ISIS presence in his country and ignoring news reports of Bangladeshi mixed in the caravan
Can we call someone like a union or something and request a better quality of leftist commentators?
So Honduras Venezuela and Nicaragua are failing. How may millions is that?
Hurricane Willa is going to fo TRump's job for him.
Hurricane Willa, a potentially catastrophic storm, swept toward Mexico's Pacific coast with winds of 155 mph, the National Hurricane Center said Monday. Forecasters expect the Category 4 storm to make landfall along Mexico's southwestern coast Tuesday afternoon or evening.
Willa is an "extremely dangerous storm" that is expected to bring life-threatening storm surge, wind and rainfall over west-central and southwestern Mexico, the hurricane center. After it briefly strengthened to a Category 5 storm, it weakened slightly Monday afternoon.
Bullseye and they are just about on collision course. Of course, the Mexicans are helping not trying to stop them.
Federal police monitored the caravan’s progress from a helicopter and had a few units escorting it. Outside Tapachula, about 500 black-uniformed officers briefly gathered along the highway on buses and in patrol units, but they said their orders were to maintain traffic and not to stop the caravan. They moved on toward the city before the caravan reached them.
As the migrants passed through villages on the outskirts of Ciudad Hidalgo, locals applauded, shouted encouragement and donated supplies.
Maria Teresa Orellana, a resident of Lorenzo, handed out sandals. “It’s solidarity,” she said. “They’re our brothers.”
Mexico’s Interior Department said in a statement that federal and Chiapas state authorities were providing assistance to migrants, including legal counseling for those who applied for asylum. It released a video showing workers doling out food, medicine and medical treatment.
It’s interesting because I remembered reading a comment or a piece of a news story that Obama had sent or continued having the US Army helping the Mexican army protect their southern border.
6. Deport George Soros to Malaysia or Hungary and seize his assets
Hand him over to France and say we are equal. All debts paid.
Just wait until convoys start coming from Venezuela. That'll be just shitloads of fun.
The question we as Americans, right, left, & center, must face is that we have several failed states with large populations to our south. As our economy improves, the US will remain an irresistible economic magnet to the peoples of those failed states. So, what are we going to do about it? 'Cause they're gonna just keep coming...
"...but in Honduras we have been living in a humanitarian crisis since long ago."
That describes every third-world country since the Industrial Revolution started differentiating the relative material welfare of the common people of different countries. In those terms Honduras was in a state of humanitarian crisis since the 19th century.
The state or perception of prosperity really is a relative matter.
I do not think Hondurans suffer worse poverty than any of dozens of other countries.
And they tend to be better fed.
"Just wait until convoys start coming from Venezuela."
Those convoys go to Colombia and Brazil.
Schumer... and... Pelosi... issued a statement over the weekend saying Trump was “desperate to change the subject from health care to immigration because he knows that health care is the number one issue Americans care about.
Most Importing Problems:
29% Dissatisfaction with government/Leadership
12% Economic Problems - all combined
12% Immigration/Illegal aliens
9% Race relations/Racism
7% Unifying the Country
5% Healthcare
@Buwaya,
Those convoys go to Colombia and Brazil.
Fer now. Just wait until some lefty NGO starts paying them to come to our fair shores & border.
What the heck did Karl Rove "pull" regarding gay marriage in 2004?!?
In 2004, the Supreme Court had just decided Lawrence v Texas. Karl Rove had nothing to do with that. Courts in Ontario and Saskatchewan legalized gay marriage, and the combined action of the Supreme Court in Massachusetts (along with the legislature's inaction) legalized gay marriage in that state. And same-sex partnerships became law in Belgium, Israel, New Zealand, etc.
Karl Rove didn't "pull" anything in those cases. Gay marriage was tremendously divisive. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton each declined to support same sex marriage in 2004, and would continue to do so for another eight years. One more term of Bush, and one term of Obama. The Cinton-Obama-Democrat position was "civil unions."
"It doesn't take a political genius to figure that out. So why again are most of the commentators so sure the dems are behind it?"
Most people immersed in politics who aren't politicians are MORONS. It is left-wing, progressive/Democratic MORONS funding this spectacle.
We know they are Democratic Party supporters, Steve, because, firstly, the media would disclose the Republicans doing this- it would be top of the page of coverage in every left-leaning newspaper in the country; secondly, the Republicans who might try to organize such a thing would be the MORONS thinking they could get away with it.
I just might have an idea on how to stop these caravans from forming again. When this one shows up, let them in and put them on buses, drive all of them to San Francisco CA, and drop them off downtown.
@AllenS, I have a better idea — let’s resettle them in and around Cookie’s neighborhood! Besides putting them on the feces-covered and used sringe-covered streets of San Francisco has to be against the Eighth Amendment (cruel and unusual punishments).
The caravans to Columbia are smaller but they re not getting Soros money.
"Since about a year and a half ago, it has been a constant flow," said Daniel Pages, president of the Venezuelans in Colombia Association. "They need to leave in order to live."
Officially, Venezuela denies its citizens are fleeing to Colombia. As recently as February, Maduro claimed Colombians were still pouring "en masse" into Venezuela. Venezuela has not released migration statistics in more than a decade.
Chuck, Karl Rove is every leftist's boogey man.
He actually wrote a pretty good biography of McKinley but I wish he had a professional reader do the audio.
The people organizing this are simply politically stupid. The highest level of thinking they are capable of is believing that the caravan will drum up Hispanic support during the coming election for Democrats- their thought is that Trump turning/threatening to turn the caravan away will cost him votes from Hispanics and from swing voters. They are incapable of imagining being someone who isn't hardcore left-wing. It is a severe kind of psychological bias.
" Besides putting them on the feces-covered and used syringe-covered streets of San Francisco has to be against the Eighth Amendment (cruel and unusual punishments)."
Hey, I live here!
Its nearly all quite neat and pretty, still.
Parts of downtown are not nice, but its a matter of degree.
If Trump can redirect this mass invasion of witless dupes to San Francisco, particularly the neighborhood of Pacific Heights, where Dianne Feinstein and Nancy Pelosi and Kamala Harris and Gavin Newsome live, well, that'd be hoot.
Downtown Oakland would be cool, too.
Well he does own the weather machine, McKinley was an American nationalist but a reluctant interventionist, who does that sound like?
The people organizing this are simply politically stupid. The highest level of thinking they are capable of is believing that the caravan will drum up Hispanic support during the coming election for Democrats- their thought is that Trump turning/threatening to turn the caravan away will cost him votes from Hispanics and from swing voters. They are incapable of imagining being someone who isn't hardcore left-wing. It is a severe kind of psychological bias.
But enough about Inga.
It's too bad that McKinley is forgotten but anyone under 20 doesn't know who Lincoln was.
British school kids think Churchill was a fictional character if they have heard of him at all.
"Downtown Oakland would be cool, too."
Relative to San Francisco's Market Street, downtown Oakland (Broadway, Telegraph, San Pablo) looks like the aftermath of the Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Lacks a human presence.
Isn't the President of Mexico someone who campaigned on the idea that the entire world had a right to be a US citizen and that he would lead an invasion of colossal proportions? Or did that guy lose the last election?
Char Char Binks suggests: No, we should take over the entire country, and then some..
Makes sense to me if we want to use our military for something practical. Invading and conquering Mexico would be more useful to our national interests that whatever we are doing [?] in Afghanistan.
Fernandistein sez: when I was in "Old Blighty" long ago they were having an anti-caravaning campaign, a caravan being a bunch of cars etc traveling together,
They also call travel trailers 'caravans'.
Politico thinks letting real people buy cheaper health insurance is a real election winner.
I would like to see them buy fire insurance as the house went up.
This "Pre-existing Conditions" issue isa matter of common sense. Before Obamacare ended them, there were risk pools for this.
Has any Democrat politician said that the caravan people should turn around and go home?
It's like they got nothin'.
They could at least warn caravan people about the utterly inhumane concentration camps they will be sent to in the US. You know, families separated, their kids thrown into cages, etc., etc.
It was very clever of Trump to withdraw from the Paris Accord, thus increasing global warming, thus increasing the number and power of hurricanes, including the one that is aiming for the caravan right now.
Cool... more cheap labor to replace the existing illegals that are already taking jobs from American Hispanics.
It's puzzling to me that Nate Silver is now saying that it's an 86% chance that the Dems take the House. Wasn't his prediction last month lower, like in the 70s? I can't remember.
It strikes me as odd, but I believe Silver believes he's correct. It's in his interest to be correct. He was (arguably, depending on how you look at it) not so correct in 2016. If the Dems fail to take the house, it would make his assumptions wrong.
To me at this point it's odd that there seems so much confidence that the Dems will take the house. I must be pretty out of touch.
Because the dems are idiots and the republicans would never be so devious? Come on. Get real.
Using this 'logic', the Republicans funded the entire Dr. Ford circus during the Kavanaugh hearings.
People keep asking why a lot of us think the Dems have something to do with this. It’s simple, really. The Dems almost got away with it the last time. Remember the caged kids? All the uproar about babies being ripped from mothers at the border? That was just a few months ago. It even got otherwise conservative women in emotional high dudgeon, including some ex First Ladies.
So naturally, the Dems thought this would work again. But It’s not working, because Trump stole their issue by publicizing it now. In other words, it backfired.
Silver still has to use the polls available, Nonapod. Individual House seat polls have notoriously bad margins of error- the actual results to the final polls have enormous historic discrepancies that are usually written off by the pollsters as last minute changes in the electorate that they didn't have time to capture.
Given the history of such polls, I predict one of two things will happen- either the Republicans retain control of both houses of Congress, or they lose 50-60 seats in the House and lose control of the Senate, too.
How many can GTMO hold?
Only 220. Not enough.
Via Lucianne:
Who´s financing the Honduras migrant caravan of illegal immigrants, with as many as 10,000 snaking their way into illegally entering the U.S.? Rep. Louie Gohmert of Texas has a sensible suggestion for finding out: using the RICO statutes. According to the Washington Examiner, citing Fox News, Gohmert said: We have got to have the DOJ investigate where the funding is coming from to send these thousands and thousands of people to the U.S. ... You can use RICO to go after them.
Maria Teresa Orellana, a resident of Lorenzo, handed out sandals. “It’s solidarity,” she said. “They’re our brothers.”
So...they're crashing at your house tonight?
And (sorry, Buwaya) even though I live in the area, I second the idea of busing these fine folk to Pelosi's front door.
Bakers dozen of "Reasons"
(leftists love illegal immigration):
1. Illegal immigration provides cheap, taxpayer subsidized labor, which benefits the ownership class at the expense of the taxpayer who pay for the schooling, welfare, housing, etc.
2. Due to the subsidies and forced spending of the taxpayer to support the illegals and their progeny, the ownership class engages in more transactions, improving their wealth.
3. We do not have enough wealth inequality, and need low wage households to improve upon the ratios.
4. 55% of all immigrant households (CA) are on some form of welfare, Good!
5. The Hispanic culture is identical to leftist ideology.
6. It's expensive to pay for compassion in the US, vs. giving aid to other countries where a dollar goes further.
7. 80% of all women and girl children are raped in the trek, so leftists want to encourage more of it (Huffington post).
8. Americans pump out huge amounts of CO2. Roasting the planet is a top priority.
9. Low skilled, 19th century labor is going to be replaced any day now with robots/automation, and we need a bunch of unemployable people.
10. Our health care system is under-utilized, does not consume enough of a percent of GDP, and is too cheap, so we need the 300,000 babies born to illegals each year who are destined for Medicaid and/or health care paid for by others.
11. Skin color doesn't matter, but it's great to brown America.
12. Having failed for 50 years to integrate the black demographic into the middle class, Democrats would like to create a new underclass to double down on their success.
13. We do not need 21st century workers. It's unfair we have so many, and need folks who eschew education in favor of unskilled labor.
Note, the desire for future voters is not the reason Democrats love illegal immigration. It's the Burritos! Yummy.
It is fun watching leftists and their allies like Chuck come to grips with what is going to happen on Nov 6th.
On a side note via Lucianne:
Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., on Sunday said that she took the DNA test that showed a relative six to 10 generations ago was Native American in an effort to rebuild "trust in the government" through transparency.....
The Dem strategy of hating whatever Trump likes has now driven them to the point where they believe that anything less than completely open borders is racism, and all expressions of patriotism are white nationalism.
"So the government doesn't have to prove that you violated U.S. law? I always learn something on this blog."
Cook got this, but just to clarify. Under criminal law, the state must prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, but under civil forfeiture, you typically have to disprove the state's claim to the forfeited assets by a preponderance of the evidence. This is one reason that civil libertarians dislike civil forfeiture so much.
Would it be intemperate to suggest a few A-10s to protect our southern border? Maybe some Apache helicopters? Too severe?
Maybe just some Reaper drones?
I think we should be follwoing the money and use whatever laws on the books to go after the people and organizations funding these types of events. It's rather simialr to who in hell provides all of the lifejackets for all of the 'refugees' crossing the Mediterranean on their way to Europe. That has to be costing somebody a lot of cash. Find out who they are and put a stop to it.
This is why illegal immigration from from mexico has been replaced by illegal immigration from central america. Not many mexicans cross anymore, and tell me again why a 2nd gen mexican american should be glad that central americans have come to take his job?
Not many Mexicans cross anymore because there aren't as many Mexicans to cross. TFR in Mexico is replacement level 2.2, down from 5 in 1965.
I think we need to go into Mexico to stop this invasion. Just as Grierson and Sherdian and Pershing had to do when the Mexican government failed as it is wont to do.
This is invasion not immigration. The Army should go a couple of miles into Mexico and contain this invasion force. Arrest them. Process them. Ship the ISIS terrorists off to Gitmo.
If the press has a problem with it there is a cell for them too.
I hope Trump has the balls to do it. We will see.
Also stop the wire transfers to Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador and Mexico. Money talks and stops the bullshit from walking across the border.
If they want to send money home let them bring it themselves and then stop them from re-entering the country.
America first.
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