And why did 5,000 people in Honduras suddenly mobilize into what ends up working as a giant pro-Trump demonstration?
The official Democratic talking point seems to be that Trump is the one changing the subject:
Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) issued a statement over the weekend saying Trump was “desperate to change the subject from health care to immigration because he knows that health care is the number one issue Americans care about.”But those 5,000 people are real, aren't they? Are Schumer and Pelosi calling them fake news?
The most-liked comment at WaPo is:
HEY wake up...the caravan could be funded by GOP operatives to bring up the immigration issue before the vote in NOV...you know the OCT Surprise...someone should investigate this...Serious...Karl Rove pulled this in 2004 with gay marriageSounds really desperate to bring up Karl Rove. Somebody else says:
Absolutely right. Paying refugees is much cheaper than running ads. And all that free media coverage of skinny mothers and their babies will scare the hell out of Trump's brain dead followers.That sounds nutty, but the whole situation feels nutty. These people are so helpful to Trump, but they can't be motivated by a desire to help Trump, unless they're not what they appear to be. It brings out the conspiracy thinking, which — like everything, apparently — also helps Trump.
ADDED: About that Trump tweet (quoted in the headline) — Trump has his own approach to capitalization. Criticize it at your own risk:
When referring to the USA, I will always capitalize the word Country!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 19, 2018
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 225 of 225The migrant caravan reminded me of the scenario in the novel CAMP OF THE SAINTS, so I did an online search of "Migrant caravan camp of the saints," and sure enough other people have noticed the similarity. One article said that the caravan was raising "racist fears" pf the "alt-right" (these days, like "fascist." a term that seems synonymous with "people 'liberals' disagree with") and called the novel "racist."
I actually read the novel and from what I can recall it is not "racist" in any meaningful sense of the term. In the novel a horde of poor people from the Indian subcontinent take over a ship and travel to the coast of France with the intention of invading Europe. Mainly I remember that one of the Good Guys was non-white (an Indian transplant as I recall) who identifies with the West and makes a non-racialist case for defending Western Civilization. (Of course, to the Left this guy would be kind of "Uncle Tom," or "Uncle Krishna.") I would be curious to know how, if anything, "liberals," with all their vaunted enlightenment, would handle a camp-of-the-saints scenario in real life.
We need to solve this on the other side of the border.
If Mexico will not respect our border why should we respect theirs.
Roll the tanks and the infantry down there and enforce the border on these animals. Separate the wheat from the chaff. Round up the miscreants and drop them off in their region of origin.
Back in the old days the cops had a way to deal with bums who infiltrated good neighborhoods. They would round them up in the paddy wagon, tune them up and dump them back in the Bowery where they belonged.
The old ways were the best ways.
What would Black Jack Pershing do?
Mexico has pretty much sent all their illiterate peasants up here. I used to review workers comp claims. At least a third were illegals and most illiterate not only in English but Spanish. They spoke Indian dialects and those that claimed to have been to school, usually claimed a second grade education.
If we had intelligence agencies that actually employed humint anymore and actually sided with America, I would be scrambling to get a few spies infiltrated into the caravan, with the specific mission of finding out who is doing the funding and who (probably the same source) is going to save their asses from the hurricane.
the specific mission of finding out who is doing the funding
Rush Limbaugh was saying it was the Venezuelan rulers funding it.
Hard to believe although I do think they have plenty of money. Chavez' daughter is one of the richest women in the world.
Democrat political apparatus thought process:
1. Get these "undocumented pre-citizens" into the US
2. Get 'em as many federal/state benefits as possible, illegally register a big chunk of them
3. In 5 years, have them voting Democrat!
4. Win elections!
This is almost embarrassing how easy this is to fix.
No doubt some sombrero wearing banditos will attack the caravan soon. But banditos are horrible shots and only manage to hit the engines of the buses. All the buses. At night. In the desert.
Ricochets happen, amirite? So those holes in the water trucks. Purely fate.
The local train track getting damaged in a reparable but time consuming way...pure coincidence!
And every road faces potholes. The road leading to these stalled refugees suddenly developing a 6
Foot deep one is just a lack of infrastructure spending.
They can still come. They will be walking. Make them earn it.
We need to create a buffer zone to our border. If Mexico cannot do it then we should.
Stop them in tacoville before they come to the border and can take advantage of the liberal sensibilities of some moronic Democrat judge.
I bet a bunch of Mexicans who are suffering under the cartel muderers would be happy to be occupied by the 101st Airborne or the Big Red One. Take our guys out of Germany and Korea and Afghanistan and bring them home to protect the border.
Re "Camp of the Saints"
"In the novel a horde of poor people from the Indian subcontinent take over a ship and travel to the coast of France"
Its not one ship, but hundreds. And they are carrying many millions. Under horrific conditions. And it becomes a global phenomenon.
Its a scary book.
The best current analogy to the "Camp of the Saints" scenario is the "refugee" ships full of African migrants crossing from Libya, to Italy, Spain, France and Greece.
William Chadwick: I actually read the novel and from what I can recall it is not "racist" in any meaningful sense of the term.
No, but "racist" stopped being used in any meaningful sense a long time ago. Iirc it was mostly sanely reviewed, on its merits as a novel, when it first came out. The hysterical reaction to it as some kind of "right-wing extremist" (what isn't?) tract came later.
It's not a very good novel, as novels go, but I recall that some of the characters were hilariously spot-on and prescient. (See, e.g., the pope.) But racist? No. "Racist"? Well, of course.
In the novel a horde of poor people from the Indian subcontinent take over a ship...
Well, a whole fleet of ships, if you'll forgive the nit-picking.
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I would be curious to know how, if anything, "liberals," with all their vaunted enlightenment, would handle a camp-of-the-saints scenario in real life.
We already know. Look at Europe, especially in the last three years. Look at their reaction to calls for simply enforcing existing law here in the last 30 years.
"Camp of the Saints" is a decent novel and phenomenally prescient. It would make for a good movie but that movie will not be made in our time. Actually, in a way, I think it has been made, over and over and over, in the form of zombie movies. "World War Z" being a prime example even though the movie was a travesty of the book, which had some interesting ideas and scenarios. I don't think anyone has explored this aspect of the underlying meaning of zombie literature and film. I do believe it is an inchoate representation, arising out of the unconscious, of the migrant problem. The authors of zombie movies and books may not have had this in mind when writing their works and they may not have been aware that this is what lies at the bottom of their consciousness. But I do believe it is there just the same and that it is fueling their stories. It is an acceptable way to give vent and voice to a deepseated problem and fear of that problem.
The best current analogy to the "Camp of the Saints" scenario is the "refugee" ships full of African migrants crossing from Libya, to Italy, Spain, France and Greece.
Note to self.
Buy more ammo.
New gun safe coming next week.
We need a modern day Winfield Scott. Meet these invaders at Mexico City, and make Mexico pay.
Ann supposes criticizing the president's message featuring wrong capitalization poses some risk, the very day after he proclaims himself a Nationalist in his usual ignorant way. Ann is of course herself a notoriously weak reader, continually confusing herself about the plain meaning of things, especially what Trump says, which she usually finds funny. I would say again, open your eyes, except I'm sorry to hear that you evidently can't, or I could say smell the rot and the stink, except we've recently learned that you can't smell, for which I'm also sorry. There's a great deal of pathos and symbolism in her plight. One way forward is to embrace an inner eye, but that's hard. The prophet says, eat and drink and take some pleasure in work.
When the bombastic and ignorant tell you who they are, believe them.
Lolololol
We’ve known what the Left is for a long time, John.
For others, they’re getting woke.
Look everybody. John Pickering is telling everybody how wrong they are if they don't tow the Leftist Collectivist line. And I would bet we can all be righteous if we just adopt the company line.
Note to Leftists: You're the would-be secret police officers tasked with punishing wrongthink. You're the bad guys. You're the bullies. And the rest of us simply don't give a shit.
JP: "Ann is of course herself a notoriously weak reader, continually confusing herself about the plain meaning of things,..."
Something tells me Althouse is fully up to speed on the basics of supply and demand, unlike some others I might mention....
(Winks while tilting head toward Pickering)...
Pickering seems more like a MOBY than trumpit.
trumpit just seems crazy.
Maybe the Texas ANG can rustle up some A-10s to circle around the border area. Everybody needs training hours, plus it's a bonus for a full load.
Yancey Ward said...
Silver still has to use the polls available, Nonapod. Individual House seat polls have notoriously bad margins of error- the actual results to the final polls have enormous historic discrepancies that are usually written off by the pollsters as last minute changes in the electorate that they didn't have time to capture.
Silver is owned by ABC and through them Disney.
He is a tool.
He does nothing with the data. He is told what the data tells him and what to report.
The Cook Report thinks fundraising by Democrats means Democrats win some close seats.
IOW, rich people can buy Democrat congresspeople.
I wager Cook is wrong.
Everybody needs training hours, plus it's a bonus for a full load.
Those 30 mm DU rounds are expensive. Clubs are cheaper.
John Pickering said...
When the bombastic and ignorant tell you who they are, believe them.
When the violent thugs shout you down, chase you out of a restaurant, and shoot at you on a softball field you are telling us who you are.
Roughcoat said...
"Camp of the Saints" is a decent novel and phenomenally prescient. It would make for a good movie but that movie will not be made in our time. Actually, in a way, I think it has been made, over and over and over, in the form of zombie movies. "World War Z" being a prime example even though the movie was a travesty of the book, which had some interesting ideas and scenarios.
The book had some really stupid things too. Mostly about how the Army wouldn't be able to adjust to having to shoot things in the head. The other was that tanks and artillery didn't have rounds to take out personnel.
The chapter where the Army got over run was just bad.
And the book used the "South African" model.
Approvingly.
Yeah that wouldn't make it into a movie model in Hollywood.
"When the bombastic and ignorant tell you who they are, believe them."
That's the thing about being an NPC isn't it John. You don't know when you're being ironic.
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